skrinkladoo

I heard its top notch, wife is telling me it would be a good v-day gift ... is it good, does it taste good ... anyone know.

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HorseShit

fucking bullshit hype

Libertine

Tasty drink, nothing more.

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Machete_

Real deal = not legal = will most likely drive you nuts (clinical insane - yes, really)
What people buy = fake shit = nothing but a wine cooler

kane

There are two types of absinthe out there. The real stuff and the stuff you can now buy in the US. The stuff you buy in the US is basically just regular booze, nothing more. The real stuff is made with Wormwood. Wormwood is a herb that is pretty bitter and has a very strong effect on you when you drink it.

The real absinthe that has wormwood will give you a high that is more like a high from pot whereas the absinthe you can now buy here in the US will just get you drunk.

Absinthe is nice, the stuff you buy in the store now is decent and tastes a lot better than the real stuff, but it is nothing like having the real thing.

skrinkladoo

I know there are fakes. I know its not legal ... insane - check, but does it taste good? Should it be on the bucket list?

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Machete_

No, it taste horrible. People dont buy it for the taste but for the effect.

Take genus Cannabis and mix it with Opium, and then make it 2-3 times stronger.
Then you are getting close.

It's not a "drug", its a chemical

It WILL fuck you up - so spend your money on some good beer's or whine instead

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

the stuff you get in the stores is not real, but it will get you fucking wrecked!

skrinkladoo

I cant tell if your for it or against it, but i like your pitch!

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Libertine

Nonsense. Absolute and complete nonsense.

One of the reasons people got sick from it was that when it got popular in the 19th century, many companies started producing it. To get the characteristic green color, some of those companies used things such copper as a colorant. Getting poisoned tends to drive you rather crazy.

The other reason should be rather obvious: alcoholism can have some severe effects. Korsakoff, delirium tremens, etc.

Why are you people so fucking gullible?

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skrinkladoo

- Yeah, Im just getting my facts straight ... not officially "fucking gullible" quite yet - but give it time.

HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY HAD THE REAL THING? CAZ I COULD GOOGLE IT TO...

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UniqueD

absinthe is downright disgusting.

Machete_

your reffering to the alcoholic drink version from the 19th century. Before you want to tell people how special and cultivated you are, maybe you should spend a little time and try and find out what the hell you are talking about

The REAL deal uses small controlled volumes of Thujone as a mild form of nerveblocker, wich is what gives it the effect. It's not the Thujone that kills you, its the unclean versions of the drink that does

The version Libertine, and the even more mainstream versions you can buy today is nothing buy strong alcohol with Anis to color and flavor the drink

Libertine

Read this:
http://www.feeverte.net/faq-absinthe.html

Just get some. It tastes good (if you drink it the right way - don't try undiluted absinthe shots), and won't harm your health any more than other drinks. Don't expect to get high, though - you won't.

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Libertine

I was about to write a long post explaining that there is thujone in all real absinthe, and exactly why you were entirely wrong about pretty much everything concerning this subject.

Then I realized, it's a waste of my time.

JFGI

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Machete_

uhhmm, yeah, that is why I said "thujone in real absinthe" - unlike you who claim its a harmless alcoholic beverage.

Libertine

So exactly what absinthe without thujone were you talking about? Because, you know... my local liquor score only sells absinthe that contains it.

The harmless alcoholic beverage I'm talking about is the stuff with thujone. And harmless, of course, depends on quantity - like with any other alcoholic beverage.

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riddler

goddamn ebus_dk you falling for all that reefer madness shit that is behind absinthe, Libertine is right it was from the copper the cheaper manufactures used to make it green back in the day that made people sick/crazy, there is no buzz from absinthe besides the typical alcohol buzz.

Machete_

You are also reffering to the cheap knockoff from the 19th cent.
Try and read what i wrote again. The refference to Canabis and opium was in realtion to the .. Dont know the english word ("consciousness expanding substances" if I translate it directly)

NOTR

I have a few of them, no real hype. I can barely drink it straight up, usually mixed in water. No real fun in drinking it really, I don't see the "buzz"

This one is from Spain and has wormwood in it.

Ryan St. Germain

Yeah...that's ridiculous.

They didn't use copper to color it. The only time that copper was used was when rednecks tried to bootleg it like moonshine. It took as much as 1/3 of all alcohol sales in some places, so they people tried to cash in and made poison because they didn't know that they were doing.

Ryan St. Germain

Absinthe isn't a hallucinogen, it's an alcoholic drink. It produces as different of an effect as whisky does in comparison to vodka, but It's doesn't make you see things that aren't there.

If it's distilled properly, it's absolutely no more harmful than any other alcoholic beverage.

Most of the kinds that the majority of people here have tried are absolutely horrid fake knock offs produced in the Czech republic, home brewed garbage made here, or a weak version that is now legal in the U.S.

There are only a few legitimate brands of Absinthe out there, and in all the places that I've travelled in the world, I've found more fake absinthe than real stuff. Even Amsterdam, where you can get all sorts of other things, poured an oil based knock off at every bar that I asked about it in.

If you want decent absinthe, try this: Jade Liquors Eduord

or try this:
PF 1901 Which is a nod to Pernod Absinthe.

Another thing; Absinthe is expensive. If you buy a $20 bottle of absinthe, you might as well know you were probably paying to have some guy in Romania piss into a bottle and sell it to you. You weren't getting real absinthe.

skrinkladoo

Ok so its just regular alcohol - why is it still illegal in its original form in the US?

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Ryan St. Germain

If you are going to buy the brands legal in the US, buy Lucid, made by Ted Breaux, who is largely responsible for bringing absinthe back.

Stay away from Torment Verte, as it tastes like my grandfathers 1960's era aftershave smells like. I have 95% of the bottle left, and if you really must try it and are coming to Internext, I'll give it to you for free. I will never put something that horrible in my mouth again.

Kubler is a not as bad as Torment Vert, but it's not great either, and is a poor example of Absinthe. Absente is not absinthe; it's pastis. The new version they have the supposedly cointains wormwood isn't distilled like absinthe, so it too, is garbage.

kane

From my understanding the stuff that is illegal in the us is because it has Wormwood in it which is some kind of a distant cousin to marijuana.

That might not be exactly why though, but the stuff they sell in the US doesn't have Wormwood in it.

Libertine

Eh, that's essentially what I said. Companies trying to cash in on the popularity added toxic ingredients like copper as colorants, in order to produce something that looked similar.

The quality distillers who had already been making it didn't, of course.

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Ryan St. Germain

Read up on prohibition. It was made illegal as a business move, by beer and wine makers, who made propaganda posters saying it was bad. When they repealed prohibition, absinthe makers had moved on, and beer and wine makers paid off the authorities to make sure they wouldn't come back.

What food standard is the same today as it was in 1912? Do you have any idea what it takes to get an alcoholic drink passed by the FDA these days? For that matter, to get drugs that cure diseases made legal for distribution? It'll be 5 years, and then it'll be available full strength.

Ryan St. Germain

Actually, wormwood has never been illegal. You can buy dried wormwood legally in the us.

It's the thujone that they worries about, and which was added in ridiculous amounts, for no good reason.

Us absinthe does have wormwood in it.

Ryan St. Germain

They didn't add copper, it was contamination from the radiator that bootleggers were brewing it in. They coined the condition "absinthism" when they saw the copper flecks showing up in people's eye's, but it was just from bad brewing conditions. They didn't realize for another 20 or so years what the effect of ingesting copper manifested as.

Ryan St. Germain

An absinthe anti-prohibition postcard by Gantner, showing how absinthe was attacked by both the prohibitionists and the producers of rival liquors.

skrinkladoo

- thats cool, i wont be at the next InterNext - but Ill ask my friend Luca (of triple10vault) to snag it from ya at upcoming InterNext - after all its with them i plan to drink it. Thanks man, seriously. I'll be at the next Miami InterNext (but thats a ways off) - If i see you there, i'll owe you a drink.

Thanks man, seriously.

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Ryan St. Germain

I know Luca; I'll pass it along, definitely.

But don't thank me; it isn't great, lol.

detoxed

Only way to know is try a bottle. And that stuff is not the same stuff your thinking about, just the same name.

Libertine

Actually, no.

A number of distillers did add things like copper sulphate, malachite green and indigo to replicate the color. Also, antimony trichloride was used to replicate the louching effect.

Some symptoms of absinthism (which was more than just eye discoloration) are likely to have resulted partly from those contaminants, but a major part of it was almost certainly simply the effect of alcoholism.

As an aside: absinthe isn't brewed. It's distilled. Though I'm sure you know that.

Using radiators for bootlegging wasn't particularly common around the fin de siecle, both because there was relatively little need to bootleg the (cheap and still-legal) absinthe and because car radiators (the radiators usually used for bootlegging) weren't particularly easy to come by around 1900. Plus, lead poisoning is what's usually associated with using radiators for bootlegging, not copper poisoning.

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kane

Ah, thanks for the info. I knew the US version was lacking something. Many years ago I met a guy that made his own absinthe. He grew the herbs and imported what he couldn't grow himself. At the time I was writing for a magazine and several of us got a bottle from him and drank it one night. I was pretty fucked up that night for sure. One of my editors fell off the couch and broke her wrist. She didn't even feel it until the next morning. I don't know that I would drink it regularly, but it made for a good story for the magazine though.

Ryan St. Germain

I think that a lot of the distillers you refer to are what I'm referring to as bootleggers. i may have presented the term a little too literally, but essentially there were a lot of people making absinthe that had absolutely no idea what they were doing. I consider anyone that doesn't know how to make it properly to be bootleggers, including most of the german and czech companies today.

Legitimate absinthe makers didn't add copper or anything else to make it louche. They didn't even change the color of it; that's more common today than it was then.

The louching affect was a natural one, which is part of what made such an impression on the doctor that stole the recipe from the swiss girls that made it for him.

Absinthism was never a real condition, so the symptoms were whatever the doctor wanted to blame them on. The specs in the eyes were just the easiest physical manifestation to point to.

Ryan St. Germain

I'm sure that it did make for a great story! A lot of home brewers put an exceptional amount of thujone in it to make it overly strong; that's probably why she didn't feel it until the morning!

globofun

The real homemade stuff will make you fly high!

I was at a NY absynthe party last year.......... this year, there's no such party!

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shahab6

it doesn't do anything its all hyped up, if you want a trip go it go with lsd or shroom

Redrob

The real stuff is a nice buzz. Be sure and be someplace that you can stay a while.

It leaves the mind rather clear; but, the body's coordination goes to shit.

I had some in Japan back in the 1970s mixed with coke. It was strange seeing the emerald green licquor turn the coca-cola as white as milk.

Czech

Blingbaby

This was the Robitussin high of the late 19th century France, considered psychoactive but more like concentrated alcohol with a high dose of french style placebo which still works on our weak primate brains, so give it a shot and tell us what YOU think.. after all it's all in the mind..

Blingbaby

*Mixed with coke* I think that was the relevant ingredient for your *mind rather clear* experience..

seeandsee

just use it!

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RobertD

There was a good writeup in Wired sometime back where a guy analyzes samples of very old "real" absynth and it had nothing in it to cause a person to trip.

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http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2...-absinthe.html

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1...the&topic_set=

Sorry, you're just drunk.

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Ryan St. Germain

The guy doing that analysis is Ted Breaux; the one that I was quoting above.

Persius

http://www.wormwoodsociety.org/

something i came up when reading about it... seems like there is a lot of fraud absinthe out there now that its legal in the us...

Ryan St. Germain

There always has been, we are just seeing it a lot more here now that it's not illegal.