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DirtyDanza · 01-02-2009, 10:54 PM

fucking man up and tell the whores she is NOT bringing an "escort" to the fucking job... ask the dumb bitch would she bring her "escort" along to her day job at wendy's?

HorseShit · 01-02-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

fucking man up and tell the whores she is NOT bringing an "escort" to the fucking job... ask the dumb bitch would she bring her "escort" along to her day job at wendy's?

too much hanging out with fb

boudoir · 01-02-2009, 11:04 PM

Charge admission for the escort..?

tony286 · 01-02-2009, 11:14 PM

it doesnt bother me as long as the guy isnt an asshole.Most come in see we are harmless and leave.

PMGames · 01-02-2009, 11:17 PM

I only allow "un-emotionally involved" escorts

sometimes when it is another girl, you might end up with an extra model or two by the end of the shoot.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-02-2009, 11:41 PM

I always invite models/performers to bring one person with them to any project they do for me. It adds to their comfort level, especially if it's their first time working with me.

Of course, I don't hire models to do anything degrading or even wilder than they do in their personal lives either...

ADG

amacontent · 01-02-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

fucking man up and tell the whores she is NOT bringing an "escort" to the fucking job... ask the dumb bitch would she bring her "escort" along to her day job at wendy's?

I have to disagree here bro.. the day job at Wendys doesnt have creepy guys in a very unsecure environment. I have no problem with an escort from non agency girls. If they get in the way i stop the shoot and send them on thier way.

snaker · 01-02-2009, 11:51 PM

LOL you gotta tel us what happened man!

Paul Markham · 01-03-2009, 01:39 AM

If a girl needs an escort to give her confidence I'm not doing my job right. Scared girls make bad models for my work. However if a girl turns up at a mass casting with a guy I tell her there will be naked girls running around and she would not want her BF to be in the room. Neither would she appreciate it if other girls had men with them.

Girls who bring girls to castings are handled differently, the casting happens in the studio and not the office where the female escort sits. My excuse is "You can tell your GF what you choose to tell her about today. Because what I will say is for you to know and decide what you want to share."

Girls who turn up on shoots with an escort are sent home. Pointless shooting them.

After Shock Media · 01-03-2009, 01:50 AM

I never was bothered by escorts coming along with models. Typically they would just be elsewhere and mind their own business. I would not put up with escorts that wanted things rushed or interrupted stuff.

I take that back, one time when a model brought her dad who stayed in the room and made posing and outfit suggestions was down right fucking creepy. I felt like I needed an escort - he gave me the willies.

DAMNMAN · 01-03-2009, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I never was bothered by escorts coming along with models. Typically they would just be elsewhere and mind their own business. I would not put up with escorts that wanted things rushed or interrupted stuff.

I take that back, one time when a model brought her dad who stayed in the room and made posing and outfit suggestions was down right fucking creepy. I felt like I needed an escort - he gave me the willies.

Oh no!!!!!! This gives a whole new meaning to daddy's little girl.

SteveHardeman · 01-03-2009, 07:23 AM

I tell them all they are more than welcome to bring an escort to the shoot. I don't care if it's their BF or husband. They know in advance what I expect of them and that's what we'll be doing regardless of who's watching.

In all honesty, maybe 5 girls EVER have actually brought someone along with them. I think most girls like to know that if they wanted to, they could. Makes them feel more comfortable that I offered it.

Now, I do make the escort stand outside the room. The first time, I let the escort stay in the room but little inside jokes and the girl moving her eyes toward her friend while she's supposed to be sucking a cock, ruined a shoot for me. So now, I have the guy wait outside the room. They can hear everything but can't make eye contact with the girl.

Just my two cents.

DAMNMAN · 01-03-2009, 07:25 AM

I mostly use girls with agents and they just do what the agent tells them....mostly.

But I have had girls ask if they can bring a friend etc.....

Female models should at least have someone who knows where they are and the photographer that's shooting them should also know that soemone knows where the girl is. This is for the girls safety as there are many creepy fuckin' bastards out there.

This is the best reason I can think of to have an agent.

I usually tell the girl a few stories of the things that have happened in the past with husbands/boyfriends etc.... on shoots and they usually opt for the guy dropping them off and coming back to pick them up when the shoot is over.

SoloGirlsContent · 01-03-2009, 08:06 AM

Usually the model wants to suck and fuck me, so obviously they want to play to get pay. I've had a few girls , ask can BF or hubby or manager come... I politely tell them, fuck no..and if they insist..I follow up with...shoot cancelled and hire another one million models.

It's simple... NO MATTER what you shoot.. a girl will NEVER act the same w/ a friend around as she would by herself.. that's a fact and u can take it to the Bank.

I give them references, they see past works, they can google me.. I tell them I shot over 200 models and I haven't killed anybody in the past 5 years...Yet * MUHHAAAHAHAHAHA*

They laugh and come over to suck my dick and fall in love with my southern charm and hospitality. I treat models as if they are my girlfriend for a few hours ( I listen to their dumbass stories with a smile)...the attention and kindness they receive, translates into cuteness, shyness, happiness and horniess..I get new girls no one has shot...half of the battle is total transparency. The model knows everything about me, before I book the ticket..then they become "intrigued" with working for me..I slam in the salami, bang I gotta another model looking to leave her hubby or dump her boyfriend just so she can stare in my soft blue eyes...I only pull out the full MAGIC when I know a girl can be a true money maker..because I still need to pimp this bitch for my money... if she likes me..oh my , how the money rolls in.

I also get model releases signed BEFORE shoot and I pay AFTER shoot

It also helps to have a big mainstream past...

**special note to photographers***
1. If u are fat..go to the gym
2. If you are old...act young
3. Buy clothes from this decade
4. watch MTV get to learn the lingo..relate to the models on their level
5. wash your ass dudes..I put vanilla baby powder on my balls..Im clean and girls like that
6. do not "adjust girls clothing" I only touch them after they touch me

7. Stop being a fucking creep and never force or command a model to do anything. My sets are fun and it shows..If a model feels she can't do what is required in the shoot..send her packing, simple..I always lay out everything I need them to shoot before I get the ticket..some girls change thier minds or feel guilty about BF..so that's cool They take a cab home, asap

8. A nice car really goes a long way..doesn't have to be totally expensive, just a cool car or truck..models get wet faster

9. GUM or TIC TACS ..always

10. steps 1-9, rinse and repeat

justinsain · 01-03-2009, 08:22 AM

If a model wants to bring an escort it's ok with me but I make it very clear that
the escort cannot interfere with the shoot or be distractive.

I've had to deal with the whole spectrum of escorts. The good one's that come and make themselves
invisible. The bad one's that persistently try to become the director and there is nothing worse than having someone off to the side giving the model directions on how to pose when it's the camera's angle that matters.

I've found that these boyfriends, I mean escorts, are just like kids and if you give them something to play with like an xbox they will soon lose their attention and be out of the way.

I don't put up with that crap anymore. They either act right or get out of my sight.

marcjacob · 01-03-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I take that back, one time when a model brought her dad who stayed in the room and made posing and outfit suggestions was down right fucking creepy. I felt like I needed an escort - he gave me the willies.

That is just fucking creepy.

Grapesoda · 01-03-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by marcjacob

That is just fucking creepy.

I've had moms come and try and sell their daughters pussy to me $.02

alias · 01-03-2009, 09:34 AM

Just hand the bitch a can of pepper spray as she walks in. Safety first!

Catalyst · 01-03-2009, 10:23 AM

have the escort wait in the car..

rayadp05 · 01-03-2009, 10:24 AM

With most of my shoots, the girls come alone but if they wish to bring someone, I don't have a problem with it. As long as the person has a clear understanding of what is going to be taking place and is not bringing any drama to the shoot. If he turns out to be a fucking prick, I will tell him to leave but so far that has never happened. Hell, I even had a girls parents wait out in the car for three hours once as I was shooting their 18 year old daughter.

amacontent · 01-03-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by simonsyinister

Usually the model wants to suck and fuck me, so obviously they want to play to get pay. I've had a few girls , ask can BF or hubby or manager come... I politely tell them, fuck no..and if they insist..I follow up with...shoot cancelled and hire another one million models.

It's simple... NO MATTER what you shoot.. a girl will NEVER act the same w/ a friend around as she would by herself.. that's a fact and u can take it to the Bank.

I give them references, they see past works, they can google me.. I tell them I shot over 200 models and I haven't killed anybody in the past 5 years...Yet * MUHHAAAHAHAHAHA*

They laugh and come over to suck my dick and fall in love with my southern charm and hospitality. I treat models as if they are my girlfriend for a few hours ( I listen to their dumbass stories with a smile)...the attention and kindness they receive, translates into cuteness, shyness, happiness and horniess..I get new girls no one has shot...half of the battle is total transparency. The model knows everything about me, before I book the ticket..then they become "intrigued" with working for me..I slam in the salami, bang I gotta another model looking to leave her hubby or dump her boyfriend just so she can stare in my soft blue eyes...I only pull out the full MAGIC when I know a girl can be a true money maker..because I still need to pimp this bitch for my money... if she likes me..oh my , how the money rolls in.

I also get model releases signed BEFORE shoot and I pay AFTER shoot

It also helps to have a big mainstream past...

**special note to photographers***
1. If u are fat..go to the gym
2. If you are old...act young
3. Buy clothes from this decade
4. watch MTV get to learn the lingo..relate to the models on their level
5. wash your ass dudes..I put vanilla baby powder on my balls..Im clean and girls like that
6. do not "adjust girls clothing" I only touch them after they touch me

7. Stop being a fucking creep and never force or command a model to do anything. My sets are fun and it shows..If a model feels she can't do what is required in the shoot..send her packing, simple..I always lay out everything I need them to shoot before I get the ticket..some girls change thier minds or feel guilty about BF..so that's cool They take a cab home, asap

8. A nice car really goes a long way..doesn't have to be totally expensive, just a cool car or truck..models get wet faster

9. GUM or TIC TACS ..always

10. steps 1-9, rinse and repeat

Its EXACTLY people like you who makes girls wanna bring escorts. Ive seen it 1st hand and heard the stories from girls.

amacontent · 01-03-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rayadp05

With most of my shoots, the girls come alone but if they wish to bring someone, I don't have a problem with it. As long as the person has a clear understanding of what is going to be taking place and is not bringing any drama to the shoot. If he turns out to be a fucking prick, I will tell him to leave but so far that has never happened. Hell, I even had a girls parents wait out in the car for three hours once as I was shooting their 18 year old daughter.

Very Well Said

Porno Dan · 01-03-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

Its EXACTLY people like you who makes girls wanna bring escorts. Ive seen it 1st hand and heard the stories from girls.

I was thinking the same thing when I read that post.

SoloGirlsContent · 01-03-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

Its EXACTLY people like you who makes girls wanna bring escorts. Ive seen it 1st hand and heard the stories from girls.

No it's loser like you that FUCK the game up. I've heard a ton of stories about you. You're ass is on a ton of Blacklists..So fuck you dickhead

don't hate the playa, hate the game

SoloGirlsContent · 01-03-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I was thinking the same thing when I read that post.

you can think all you want, but you know it's true that's why you end up dating the model. and that shit goes sour for you. ( That's your style)
Me..I keep the shit in perspective. Money 1st..pussy 2nd

amacontent · 01-03-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by simonsyinister

No it's loser like you that FUCK the game up. I've heard a ton of stories about you. You're ass is on a ton of Blacklists..So fuck you dickhead

don't hate the playa, hate the game

This is ecactly what i mean and this is how he talks to girls. FYI im not blacklisted by 1 single person. Youre a piece of shit scumbag who hides in Vegas, never goes to shows, talks a ton of shit..
IM SELLING
IM BACK
IM IN THE BIZ
IM OUT FOR LIFE

Youre a scam man who is detrimental for the real industry. You try and make new girls do 2 scenes for price of one for shit money telling them that is how it is and someone like you would be banished from LA if you tried the crap here that you do there.

YOURE A FUCKING TOOL EVERETT, A WANNA BE, God dam hillbilly

After Shock Media · 01-03-2009, 05:44 PM

I think it would be different based on location as well. You may be able to get away with more in larger cities such as LA and Vegas where there are tons of models and such. If your shooting in some smaller city where literally you the shooter are the only porn outlet, then often you will run into the desire to use escorts the first time and have a willingness to allow them.

Seems the more amateur they really are the more skittish they are. I am not out to fuck these models like some. I do not shoot any POV and I have no desire to get into their pants. I am just after making some money, letting her make some money, and hopefully she will refer some friends. Whereas when strippers or craigslist hookers have shown up or applied, they typically never have an escort and are expecting to get fucked or something and are way more apt to be a bad shoot, have tons of drama, and forget about re booking her as she will seriously flake and have every excuse in the book - until rent is due, some other bill, or you can tell she can no longer trade services to her dealer. Which is a problem in itself as I have no desire to work with junkies nor have them showing up to shoot locations or knowing I own anything worth stealing.

billywatson · 01-03-2009, 05:58 PM

Escorts?

Since when are we calling suitcase pimps "escorts"?

And I wonder if Simon Syinister has figured out how to turn off the fire / car alarms while he's shooting his scenes. You know, the ones where the models fall in love with him and his "southern charm and hospitality".

After Shock Media · 01-03-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by billywatson

Escorts?

Since when are we calling suitcase pimps "escorts"?

And I wonder if Simon Syinister has figured out how to turn off the fire / car alarms while he's shooting his scenes. You know, the ones where the models fall in love with him and his "southern charm and hospitality".

I call them that as typically that is what I run into. Usually they will bring a friend (often female). I every so often get ones that want to bring their boyfriend or husband, if so they usually wish to work together as well. They however do not bring them to additional shoots that often. Actually only time I run into suitcase pimps is when I run into either strippers or craigslist hookers.

AaliyahLove · 01-03-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I never was bothered by escorts coming along with models. Typically they would just be elsewhere and mind their own business. I would not put up with escorts that wanted things rushed or interrupted stuff.

I take that back, one time when a model brought her dad who stayed in the room and made posing and outfit suggestions was down right fucking creepy. I felt like I needed an escort - he gave me the willies.

Was her name Sunny Lane? Cause a YouTube clip of that girls mom and dad booking and escorting her to her shoots and watching her suck cock.. I thought I had never seen a more prominent display of white-trashness in my entire life.. classic. LOL

hahmike · 01-03-2009, 06:13 PM

BEHOLD: DA SHOOTAZ!

fuzebox · 01-03-2009, 06:35 PM

The only time I've had a girl bring an escort he was super nice and professional, we ended up chatting for a while after and had a good talk... He was another producer though, not an annoying boyfriend.

After Shock Media · 01-03-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AaliyahLove

Was her name Sunny Lane? Cause a YouTube clip of that girls mom and dad booking and escorting her to her shoots and watching her suck cock.. I thought I had never seen a more prominent display of white-trashness in my entire life.. classic. LOL

Nah just some girl that did a couple shots and vanished again. Last I saw her she was a hostess at some restaurant.

AaliyahLove · 01-03-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Nah just some girl that did a couple shots and vanished again. Last I saw her she was a hostess at some restaurant.

LOL! nice..

MaDalton · 01-03-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AaliyahLove

Was her name Sunny Lane? Cause a YouTube clip of that girls mom and dad booking and escorting her to her shoots and watching her suck cock.. I thought I had never seen a more prominent display of white-trashness in my entire life.. classic. LOL

how about a guy giving a baby the bottle while his wife is getting fucked in the ass in the next room? does that count too as white trashness? ;)

After Shock Media · 01-03-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AaliyahLove

LOL! nice..

Off topic but how can I get ahold of you.

tony286 · 01-03-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by amacontent

Its EXACTLY people like you who makes girls wanna bring escorts. Ive seen it 1st hand and heard the stories from girls.

DirtyDanza · 01-03-2009, 08:09 PM

I hear what your all saying.. I really do ....

but sally up and keep em in the car around the street I don't want these fucks knowing anything about me.... I would not trail my girl into her work to meet her boss the dentist I don't care to what the fuck do I care... seriously.. I'm far less creepy than 99% of the workers at Wendy's.. Joe I don't think your creepy either.. I would for sure not put you in the creepy photographer realm... as Everett said... the girls will give you a better show when no boyfriends are around you know that as well as I do... the PC side of both of us say we should make her feel as comfy as we can.. but the man in us and true pornographer in us knows better...

corbu · 01-03-2009, 08:21 PM

so long as the perv doesn't get in the way the perv can stay

DirtyDanza · 01-03-2009, 09:07 PM

pansies I tell ya

AaliyahLove · 01-03-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Off topic but how can I get ahold of you.

[email protected]

yahoo IM: AaliyahLove6969

JP-pornshooter · 01-04-2009, 01:26 AM

i have done both, it really kinda depends on the model.
if she is new, a little insecure and i can hear she is relatively professional then i have no problem with them bringing a friend. if i feel they might be trouble i tell them that they can drop off the model, come inspect the place but they cant stay as i do not want to be responsible for any "lost items"from the room they would be waiting in.
generally speaking i would always recommend a model to bring a friend along, at least until they develop a pool of trusted photographers to work with..

Paul Markham · 01-04-2009, 02:12 AM

What many here don't realise is what works for one shooter in one location does not work for another shooter in another location. I don't know Simon but I agree with all his The secret of simon rules except one. Never had a problem adjusting a girls clothes, putting her in the right position or touching her. Met other shooters who I would not like to touch me, let alone a girl.

In fact not touching a girl is totally creepy if the girl is in the wrong position, has her clothing wrong and you're not able to communicate to her what is right. If you can't just walk over and put it right without her thinking you're a creep you have a problem. And she will notice it.

If you're the right guy with the right approach you can get away with tons of stuff that the girls like. In fact they feel more appreciated if you do. I tell girls there's no film in the camera, never have sold my work, a total pervert doing this to look at naked women and can not be trusted from the start. They think I'm kidding and relax.

I also tell them this is porn and I expect them to act differently than they would punching the till in the local super market, I also tell them I will treat them like a porn model and not a supermarket check out girl. In fact I don't have to tell them anything, my approach and attitude tells them everything.

And that's the key. It's not what you do the girls pick up on, it's who you are that influences what they think of you.

It's not down to the model, it's about the shooter. A bad model with a bad attitude should not be working.

Paul Markham · 01-04-2009, 02:28 AM

Here's another thought. Who watches the escort while he's sitting in the next room?

Maybe you have a make up artist you can trust, maybe like me staff, but do I want him or her sitting in the office? Maybe he can sit outside and she will worry about how long it's taking and if he's getting bored.

No this is porn and if you want to earn in a day what your sister earns in a month you have to accept it's not the same kind of job. The problem is today too many shooters think it is. In the 30+ years shooting I have never ever encountered more un professional, poorly taught and fake models as today. That's because they're in front of guys who think they should treat a porn model on $1,000 a scene the same as they treat the check out girl in a super market.

This is the Golden Rules all porn girls should learn.

You are only here because men like to fuck attractive girls and you're an attractive girl men like to fuck.
Don't blame us if we think you're hot. If you weren't you would not be here.
And you would be earning in a month what you will earn today, tomorrow, next week, next month and if you're still hot in a years time and guys still want to fuck you, still be earning in a years time.
The door is not locked and you're in no danger, but you're hot so don't blame me.

The real problem is creeps who try to act like non creeps.

After Shock Media · 01-04-2009, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This is the Golden Rules all porn girls should learn.

You are only here because men like to fuck attractive girls and you're an attractive girl men like to fuck.
Don't blame us if we think you're hot. If you weren't you would not be here.
And you would be earning in a month what you will earn today, tomorrow, next week, next month and if you're still hot in a years time and guys still want to fuck you, still be earning in a years time.
The door is not locked and you're in no danger, but you're hot so don't blame me.

The real problem is creeps who try to act like non creeps.

Yeah really works well when your trying on purpose to shoot average girls, bbw girls, whatever else. It is far from any golden rule. This is often why I drop out of almost any thread once you begin posting in it. Most of the shit you post only fits into your small little reality bubble and anything outside of it must either be wrong, or of no significance to your decades of "experience" shooting.

The real problem is when people lure models in saying one thing and then trying to surprise them or have them do other things when they actually get there. Then trouble starts, bad things get spread etc.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-04-2009, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What many here don't realise is what works for one shooter in one location does not work for another shooter in another location. I don't know Simon but I agree with all his The secret of simon rules except one. Never had a problem adjusting a girls clothes, putting her in the right position or touching her. Met other shooters who I would not like to touch me, let alone a girl.

In fact not touching a girl is totally creepy if the girl is in the wrong position, has her clothing wrong and you're not able to communicate to her what is right. If you can't just walk over and put it right without her thinking you're a creep you have a problem. And she will notice it.

If you're the right guy with the right approach you can get away with tons of stuff that the girls like. In fact they feel more appreciated if you do. I tell girls there's no film in the camera, never have sold my work, a total pervert doing this to look at naked women and can not be trusted from the start. They think I'm kidding and relax.

I also tell them this is porn and I expect them to act differently than they would punching the till in the local super market, I also tell them I will treat them like a porn model and not a supermarket check out girl.

In fact I don't have to tell them anything, my approach and attitude tells them everything.

And that's the key. It's not what you do the girls pick up on, it's who you are that influences what they think of you.

It's not down to the model, it's about the shooter. A bad model with a bad attitude should not be working.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This is the Golden Rules all porn girls should learn.

You are only here because men like to fuck attractive girls and you're an attractive girl men like to fuck.
Don't blame us if we think you're hot. If you weren't you would not be here.
And you would be earning in a month what you will earn today, tomorrow, next week, next month and if you're still hot in a years time and guys still want to fuck you, still be earning in a years time.
The door is not locked and you're in no danger, but you're hot so don't blame me.

The real problem is creeps who try to act like non creeps.

Damn Paul, by your own definition, YOU are a TOTAL creep!

ADG

Paul Markham · 01-04-2009, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Yeah really works well when your trying on purpose to shoot average girls, bbw girls, whatever else. It is far from any golden rule. This is often why I drop out of almost any thread once you begin posting in it. Most of the shit you post only fits into your small little reality bubble and anything outside of it must either be wrong, or of no significance to your decades of "experience" shooting.

The real problem is when people lure models in saying one thing and then trying to surprise them or have them do other things when they actually get there. Then trouble starts, bad things get spread etc.

Yes I only shoot average girls. You obviously never read properly what I said. It always relates to the little bubble of reality that is the shooters, model and day. It's a professional shooters jobs to effect and create that bubble of reality and not let the model effect or create it. Whether that model is a top Penthouse model or an average BBW girl, the shooter is always the boss. Any shooter who allows a model to be the boss is a fool.

Have you ever thought you can't do what I can do when you're shooting? Like I said there are more un professional girls around today than there has ever been. Because of all the unprofessional shooters. Maybe you have a problem with models that I don't.

Paul Markham · 01-04-2009, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Damn Paul, by your own definition, YOU are a TOTAL creep!

ADG

Thanks for posting proof that girls don't see me as creepy. If I was that picture would never exist.

And seeing as Eva fell in love with me when she was 20, I was 47, we are still together 11 years later, still happy and still very much in love. It's obvious what you and After Shock Media think of me is irrelevant. And only a fool would think it matters.

It's what the model thinks of you on a casting and shoot that counts. Not what a few post board warriors think. Only they think their opinion counts in effecting a model. Some think posting proof girls don't think you're a creep is proof you are.

After Shock Media · 01-04-2009, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes I only shoot average girls. You obviously never read properly what I said. It always relates to the little bubble of reality that is the shooters, model and day. It's a professional shooters jobs to effect and create that bubble of reality and not let the model effect or create it. Whether that model is a top Penthouse model or an average BBW girl, the shooter is always the boss. Any shooter who allows a model to be the boss is a fool.

Have you ever thought you can't do what I can do when you're shooting? Like I said there are more un professional girls around today than there has ever been. Because of all the unprofessional shooters. Maybe you have a problem with models that I don't.

What in the hell is the thread link for? I never said you shoot average girls. Nor did I attempt to make some GOLDEN RULES that models should follow, one that does not lend itself to non hot girls. Nobody but you also brought up that the model should be the boss.

I know I cant do what you do shooting. Would not even begin to think it, and why would I? I am sure somewhere in your head you would want or expect others to think that way or compare maybe but no, what you do does not even enter my head outside of threads you post on here.

Is there more unprofessional girls around today than before? Not really sure as I have not worked with them all. I rarely have problems myself. I would also reason to think there are perhaps a hundred or more models entering each day in comparison to the number that was entering the business a decade ago and more than likely five hundred time or more when going back fifteen or twenty years - So I really think it would average out.

Paul Markham · 01-04-2009, 03:21 AM

And that's the proof that there is no golden rules, other than this is porn and you have to accept to earn the money.

If ADG and AFS acted like me maybe they could not get away with it, maybe they have a way that works for them that would not work for me. In the 30 years I've been shooting I've shot stars at the top of their game, newbies who went to the top to average girls who never got past a casting. I never changed my approach or rules for any of them. My rules fit me.

And they fit me well enough to of married a girl who came on a casting and dated a few of the girls I shot.

Maybe some shooters are so edgy on a shoot they are in danger of putting a girl off, maybe with some shooters an escort is the best way, maybe some shooters are best not touching a girl and maybe with others the girl is relaxed and never dreams she needs and escort. Or thinks twice if the shooter moves her into the correct position.

Shooting porn is not a "paint by numbers" job. It needs the personality of the shooter to take control of the situation and effect the outcome. Sometimes that is an easy and positive thing, seeing some of the replies here it's obvious others have problems.

And yes over the years I've had to change as I get older, but not a lot.

01-02-2009, 10:54 PM	#1
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01-02-2009, 11:04 PM	#3
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01-02-2009, 11:17 PM	#5
PMGames Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Philly, PA Posts: 494	I only allow "un-emotionally involved" escorts sometimes when it is another girl, you might end up with an extra model or two by the end of the shoot. __________________ Paul M. Games Last edited by PMGames; 01-02-2009 at 11:17 PM.. Reason: added stuff

01-02-2009, 11:41 PM	#6
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	I always invite models/performers to bring one person with them to any project they do for me. It adds to their comfort level, especially if it's their first time working with me. Of course, I don't hire models to do anything degrading or even wilder than they do in their personal lives either... ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

01-02-2009, 11:51 PM	#8
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01-02-2009, 11:14 PM	#4
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	it doesnt bother me as long as the guy isnt an asshole.Most come in see we are harmless and leave.

01-03-2009, 01:39 AM	#9
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	If a girl needs an escort to give her confidence I'm not doing my job right. Scared girls make bad models for my work. However if a girl turns up at a mass casting with a guy I tell her there will be naked girls running around and she would not want her BF to be in the room. Neither would she appreciate it if other girls had men with them. Girls who bring girls to castings are handled differently, the casting happens in the studio and not the office where the female escort sits. My excuse is "You can tell your GF what you choose to tell her about today. Because what I will say is for you to know and decide what you want to share." Girls who turn up on shoots with an escort are sent home. Pointless shooting them. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

01-03-2009, 01:50 AM	#10
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	I never was bothered by escorts coming along with models. Typically they would just be elsewhere and mind their own business. I would not put up with escorts that wanted things rushed or interrupted stuff. I take that back, one time when a model brought her dad who stayed in the room and made posing and outfit suggestions was down right fucking creepy. I felt like I needed an escort - he gave me the willies. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

01-03-2009, 07:23 AM	#12
SteveHardeman Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,728	I tell them all they are more than welcome to bring an escort to the shoot. I don't care if it's their BF or husband. They know in advance what I expect of them and that's what we'll be doing regardless of who's watching. In all honesty, maybe 5 girls EVER have actually brought someone along with them. I think most girls like to know that if they wanted to, they could. Makes them feel more comfortable that I offered it. Now, I do make the escort stand outside the room. The first time, I let the escort stay in the room but little inside jokes and the girl moving her eyes toward her friend while she's supposed to be sucking a cock, ruined a shoot for me. So now, I have the guy wait outside the room. They can hear everything but can't make eye contact with the girl. Just my two cents. __________________ BrokeAmateurs And ErosPOV And GirlsGoingSolo And PureAshley Sign Up At AmateursConvert.com Questions? I-C-Q: 3Five1FiveFive3476

01-03-2009, 07:25 AM	#13
DAMNMAN Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,440	I mostly use girls with agents and they just do what the agent tells them....mostly. But I have had girls ask if they can bring a friend etc..... Female models should at least have someone who knows where they are and the photographer that's shooting them should also know that soemone knows where the girl is. This is for the girls safety as there are many creepy fuckin' bastards out there. This is the best reason I can think of to have an agent. I usually tell the girl a few stories of the things that have happened in the past with husbands/boyfriends etc.... on shoots and they usually opt for the guy dropping them off and coming back to pick them up when the shoot is over. __________________ email: zmaster (at) earthlink.net ICQ: 196678616 ZMASTER One less god!!! I contend that we are both an atheist. I just belive in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

01-03-2009, 08:06 AM	#14
SoloGirlsContent So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Mother fuckin Earth Posts: 5,013	The secret of simon Usually the model wants to suck and fuck me, so obviously they want to play to get pay. I've had a few girls , ask can BF or hubby or manager come... I politely tell them, fuck no..and if they insist..I follow up with...shoot cancelled and hire another one million models. It's simple... NO MATTER what you shoot.. a girl will NEVER act the same w/ a friend around as she would by herself.. that's a fact and u can take it to the Bank. I give them references, they see past works, they can google me.. I tell them I shot over 200 models and I haven't killed anybody in the past 5 years...Yet * MUHHAAAHAHAHAHA* They laugh and come over to suck my dick and fall in love with my southern charm and hospitality. I treat models as if they are my girlfriend for a few hours ( I listen to their dumbass stories with a smile)...the attention and kindness they receive, translates into cuteness, shyness, happiness and horniess..I get new girls no one has shot...half of the battle is total transparency. The model knows everything about me, before I book the ticket..then they become "intrigued" with working for me..I slam in the salami, bang I gotta another model looking to leave her hubby or dump her boyfriend just so she can stare in my soft blue eyes...I only pull out the full MAGIC when I know a girl can be a true money maker..because I still need to pimp this bitch for my money... if she likes me..oh my , how the money rolls in. I also get model releases signed BEFORE shoot and I pay AFTER shoot It also helps to have a big mainstream past... special note to photographers* 1. If u are fat..go to the gym 2. If you are old...act young 3. Buy clothes from this decade 4. watch MTV get to learn the lingo..relate to the models on their level 5. wash your ass dudes..I put vanilla baby powder on my balls..Im clean and girls like that 6. do not "adjust girls clothing" I only touch them after they touch me 7. Stop being a fucking creep and never force or command a model to do anything. My sets are fun and it shows..If a model feels she can't do what is required in the shoot..send her packing, simple..I always lay out everything I need them to shoot before I get the ticket..some girls change thier minds or feel guilty about BF..so that's cool They take a cab home, asap 8. A nice car really goes a long way..doesn't have to be totally expensive, just a cool car or truck..models get wet faster 9. GUM or TIC TACS ..always 10. steps 1-9, rinse and repeat

01-03-2009, 08:22 AM	#15
justinsain Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,374	If a model wants to bring an escort it's ok with me but I make it very clear that the escort cannot interfere with the shoot or be distractive. I've had to deal with the whole spectrum of escorts. The good one's that come and make themselves invisible. The bad one's that persistently try to become the director and there is nothing worse than having someone off to the side giving the model directions on how to pose when it's the camera's angle that matters. I've found that these boyfriends, I mean escorts, are just like kids and if you give them something to play with like an xbox they will soon lose their attention and be out of the way. I don't put up with that crap anymore. They either act right or get out of my sight.

01-03-2009, 09:34 AM	#18
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Just hand the bitch a can of pepper spray as she walks in. Safety first! __________________ https://porncorporation.com Last edited by alias; 01-03-2009 at 09:34 AM.. Reason: typo

01-03-2009, 10:23 AM	#19
Catalyst Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vegas Posts: 3,243	have the escort wait in the car..

01-03-2009, 10:24 AM	#20
rayadp05 TRUEAMATEURMODELS.COM Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TrueAmateurModels.com Posts: 4,187	With most of my shoots, the girls come alone but if they wish to bring someone, I don't have a problem with it. As long as the person has a clear understanding of what is going to be taking place and is not bringing any drama to the shoot. If he turns out to be a fucking prick, I will tell him to leave but so far that has never happened. Hell, I even had a girls parents wait out in the car for three hours once as I was shooting their 18 year old daughter. __________________ TrueAmateurModels.com Twitter TrueAmateurModels.com Affiliate Program

01-03-2009, 05:44 PM	#27
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	I think it would be different based on location as well. You may be able to get away with more in larger cities such as LA and Vegas where there are tons of models and such. If your shooting in some smaller city where literally you the shooter are the only porn outlet, then often you will run into the desire to use escorts the first time and have a willingness to allow them. Seems the more amateur they really are the more skittish they are. I am not out to fuck these models like some. I do not shoot any POV and I have no desire to get into their pants. I am just after making some money, letting her make some money, and hopefully she will refer some friends. Whereas when strippers or craigslist hookers have shown up or applied, they typically never have an escort and are expecting to get fucked or something and are way more apt to be a bad shoot, have tons of drama, and forget about re booking her as she will seriously flake and have every excuse in the book - until rent is due, some other bill, or you can tell she can no longer trade services to her dealer. Which is a problem in itself as I have no desire to work with junkies nor have them showing up to shoot locations or knowing I own anything worth stealing. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

01-03-2009, 05:58 PM	#28
billywatson Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Valley o' Smut. Posts: 3,281	Escorts? Since when are we calling suitcase pimps "escorts"? And I wonder if Simon Syinister has figured out how to turn off the fire / car alarms while he's shooting his scenes. You know, the ones where the models fall in love with him and his "southern charm and hospitality". __________________ We're Fabulous! PROTECT YOUR CONTENT on Twitter I Shoot Porn.

01-03-2009, 06:13 PM	#31
hahmike So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,488	BEHOLD: DA SHOOTAZ!

01-03-2009, 06:35 PM	#32
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,112	The only time I've had a girl bring an escort he was super nice and professional, we ended up chatting for a while after and had a good talk... He was another producer though, not an annoying boyfriend.

01-03-2009, 08:09 PM	#38
DirtyDanza Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: BP4L.... Las Vegas, Posts: 8,370	I hear what your all saying.. I really do .... but sally up and keep em in the car around the street I don't want these fucks knowing anything about me.... I would not trail my girl into her work to meet her boss the dentist I don't care to what the fuck do I care... seriously.. I'm far less creepy than 99% of the workers at Wendy's.. Joe I don't think your creepy either.. I would for sure not put you in the creepy photographer realm... as Everett said... the girls will give you a better show when no boyfriends are around you know that as well as I do... the PC side of both of us say we should make her feel as comfy as we can.. but the man in us and true pornographer in us knows better... __________________ AVN Nominated Camming Couple

01-03-2009, 08:21 PM	#39
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01-03-2009, 09:07 PM	#40
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01-04-2009, 01:26 AM	#42
JP-pornshooter Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: westcoast usa Posts: 4,007	i have done both, it really kinda depends on the model. if she is new, a little insecure and i can hear she is relatively professional then i have no problem with them bringing a friend. if i feel they might be trouble i tell them that they can drop off the model, come inspect the place but they cant stay as i do not want to be responsible for any "lost items"from the room they would be waiting in. generally speaking i would always recommend a model to bring a friend along, at least until they develop a pool of trusted photographers to work with..

01-04-2009, 02:12 AM	#43
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	What many here don't realise is what works for one shooter in one location does not work for another shooter in another location. I don't know Simon but I agree with all his The secret of simon rules except one. Never had a problem adjusting a girls clothes, putting her in the right position or touching her. Met other shooters who I would not like to touch me, let alone a girl. In fact not touching a girl is totally creepy if the girl is in the wrong position, has her clothing wrong and you're not able to communicate to her what is right. If you can't just walk over and put it right without her thinking you're a creep you have a problem. And she will notice it. If you're the right guy with the right approach you can get away with tons of stuff that the girls like. In fact they feel more appreciated if you do. I tell girls there's no film in the camera, never have sold my work, a total pervert doing this to look at naked women and can not be trusted from the start. They think I'm kidding and relax. I also tell them this is porn and I expect them to act differently than they would punching the till in the local super market, I also tell them I will treat them like a porn model and not a supermarket check out girl. In fact I don't have to tell them anything, my approach and attitude tells them everything. And that's the key. It's not what you do the girls pick up on, it's who you are that influences what they think of you. It's not down to the model, it's about the shooter. A bad model with a bad attitude should not be working. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70 Last edited by Paul Markham; 01-04-2009 at 02:14 AM..

01-04-2009, 02:28 AM	#44
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Here's another thought. Who watches the escort while he's sitting in the next room? Maybe you have a make up artist you can trust, maybe like me staff, but do I want him or her sitting in the office? Maybe he can sit outside and she will worry about how long it's taking and if he's getting bored. No this is porn and if you want to earn in a day what your sister earns in a month you have to accept it's not the same kind of job. The problem is today too many shooters think it is. In the 30+ years shooting I have never ever encountered more un professional, poorly taught and fake models as today. That's because they're in front of guys who think they should treat a porn model on $1,000 a scene the same as they treat the check out girl in a super market. This is the Golden Rules all porn girls should learn. You are only here because men like to fuck attractive girls and you're an attractive girl men like to fuck. Don't blame us if we think you're hot. If you weren't you would not be here. And you would be earning in a month what you will earn today, tomorrow, next week, next month and if you're still hot in a years time and guys still want to fuck you, still be earning in a years time. The door is not locked and you're in no danger, but you're hot so don't blame me. The real problem is creeps who try to act like non creeps. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

01-04-2009, 03:21 AM	#50
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	And that's the proof that there is no golden rules, other than this is porn and you have to accept to earn the money. If ADG and AFS acted like me maybe they could not get away with it, maybe they have a way that works for them that would not work for me. In the 30 years I've been shooting I've shot stars at the top of their game, newbies who went to the top to average girls who never got past a casting. I never changed my approach or rules for any of them. My rules fit me. And they fit me well enough to of married a girl who came on a casting and dated a few of the girls I shot. Maybe some shooters are so edgy on a shoot they are in danger of putting a girl off, maybe with some shooters an escort is the best way, maybe some shooters are best not touching a girl and maybe with others the girl is relaxed and never dreams she needs and escort. Or thinks twice if the shooter moves her into the correct position. Shooting porn is not a "paint by numbers" job. It needs the personality of the shooter to take control of the situation and effect the outcome. Sometimes that is an easy and positive thing, seeing some of the replies here it's obvious others have problems. And yes over the years I've had to change as I get older, but not a lot. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70