Regarding the Incredible Dollars drama from last month.. - GoFuckYourself.com

V_RocKs · 01-06-2009, 03:40 PM

So last month I made a post about Incredible Dollars because their billing practices sucked.

Canceling did nothing and told you that you were canceled. I received a charge for something even though I unchecked all pre-checked cross sales...

They refunded me all of my monies...

Now I am getting spam to the address I created just for this experiment. LOADS OF SPAM!!!

So.. Dear sponsors, these accounts are spamming. If you choose to do nothing you will end up like Nasty Dollars, BangBros and a host of other affiliates who chose to do nothing and ended up paying millions to settle...

Meat Cash: NTA3NTQ5OjExODoyNQ
Sexbank Roll: NjY2MzoxMDI6MTc2
Flashcash: MjUyMzE4OjU6NDE
Maximum Cash: nameless

Of course it wouldn't surprise me if the affiliate was I$ themselves...

2012 · 01-06-2009, 03:42 PM

holy shitsicles

Machete_ · 01-06-2009, 04:03 PM

I'm sorry
We are having some NATS problem at the moments, due to our upgrade - TMM would confirm that.
I'm however afraid the script is so heavily modified that TMM dont understand it, but they will back us up because we are Bro's - mkay?

See, the thing is, when you wanted to cancel, due to a error in the script we could not foresee, your email was automatically added to the "lets spam the shit out of this a-hole" list.

The two incidents are however totally unrelated, and anyone with half a brain would understand

... our team of sheepherders are looking in to it

Now, who ordered a beer and chopperride?

polish_aristocrat · 01-06-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Of course it wouldn't surprise me if the affiliate was I$ themselves...

if you created the e-mail adress only for the purpose of joining an I$ site.... then..... well.....

JustDaveXxx · 01-06-2009, 05:14 PM

Wow!! V Rock is a pretty strait up guy and i would value and believe what he is saying.

Things like that make people not want to give their personal information to any online company.

BVF · 01-06-2009, 05:16 PM

when a customer signed up with an email like [email protected] , I knew that the customers are getting very wary of it also...

LeRoy · 01-06-2009, 05:24 PM

My Oh my. Thats just wonderful.

Do They sell my surfer info to spammers? That would be shady as fuck.

After Shock Media · 01-06-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by D2222

My Oh my. Thats just wonderful.

Do They sell my surfer info to spammers? That would be shady as fuck.

Sell them to spammers?

Dear gawd why?
Seriously think about it.

starpimps · 01-06-2009, 05:34 PM

rouge employee lol

Qbert · 01-06-2009, 05:37 PM

Damn, that rogue dude is a busy mofo.

TeenCat · 01-06-2009, 06:16 PM

oh crap all my nats codes ...

JD · 01-06-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by starpimps

rouge employee lol

umm... duh... what else could it be. I$ are stand up bros

pocketkangaroo · 01-06-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by D2222

My Oh my. Thats just wonderful.

Do They sell my surfer info to spammers? That would be shady as fuck.

They are committing credit card fraud, selling e-mails to spammers is nothing for them.

After Shock Media · 01-06-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

They are committing credit card fraud, selling e-mails to spammers is nothing for them.

If what you say is true and they are OK with committing fraud, why would they bother selling the emails to spammers. Think they would be affraid of spamming but not CC fraud?

spunky99 · 01-06-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by starpimps

rouge employee lol

actually its the rouge graphic designer who also uploads full videos to tube sites too

fris · 01-06-2009, 07:50 PM

sorry samson was on vacation all last week, so we were unaware that he had spyware installed on his pc, and automatically sent the emails with those affiliate codes generated from our server db.

this wont happen again

SteveHardeman · 01-06-2009, 08:24 PM

Hearing this shit is very frustrating for legitimate companies trying to make honest money.

VIPimp · 01-06-2009, 08:27 PM

I joined a site of a similar program not too long ago... and the email I used is getting raped!

spacedog · 01-06-2009, 08:46 PM

I$ probably has their ass covered in the TOS, etc making the mailing Can-Spam compliant

Tempest · 01-06-2009, 09:21 PM

Clearly V_RocKs MUST have a virus on his computer... It couldn't be I$ or just one more instance of a NATs program having their emails "stolen"...

pocketkangaroo · 01-06-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

I$ probably has their ass covered in the TOS, etc making the mailing Can-Spam compliant

I don't think they give a shit about Can-Spam. This is a group that has already been brought up on charges for scams involving credit repair schemes. They are actively committing credit card fraud in my opinion based on my experience signing up for one of their sites. If you're going to just break laws left and right, who gives a shit about one more?

pr0 · 01-07-2009, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I don't think they give a shit about Can-Spam. This is a group that has already been brought up on charges for scams involving credit repair schemes. They are actively committing credit card fraud in my opinion based on my experience signing up for one of their sites. If you're going to just break laws left and right, who gives a shit about one more?

CAN-SPAM is an American law & the people operating most of these programs are outside of the U.S. Sucks that they get to do it & we don't as American citizens. But that's how legislation like this works....it fucks over legit U.S. businesses & does nothing to stop the spam mail problem.

Also....e-mail marketing to your own canceled members database is a vital part of almost every major programs business model. So long as they have a remove link & contact information on every e-mail, i see nothing wrong with it.....AT ALL (so long as the advertisement does not include pornographic images or text as soon as you open it....like BAM in your face)

I believe that the best thing we as webmasters can do....is to not engage in these activities ourselves. (LEAD BY EXAMPLE INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING) I also think its important to not post about these issues, as it simply gives ideas to other up & coming programs looking to make a quick shady buck.

I would contact the program owners & billing companies/hosts....& leave it at that. Bringing these issues to GFY is counterproductive IMO

fris · 01-07-2009, 05:31 AM

Usally robbie is in I$ threads sticking up for them, where is he

DamageX · 01-07-2009, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

I believe that the best thing we as webmasters can do....is to not engage in these activities ourselves. (LEAD BY EXAMPLE INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING) I also think its important to not post about these issues, as it simply gives ideas to other up & coming programs looking to make a quick shady buck.

I would contact the program owners & billing companies/hosts....& leave it at that. Bringing these issues to GFY is counterproductive IMO

Shouldn't we also be leading by example by not doing business with these pieces of shit?

bobby666 · 01-07-2009, 05:47 AM

nats causes sooo many problems lately

StuartD · 01-07-2009, 05:50 AM

I could give you a very long list of sponsors who've sold their email lists. When I had my resource site, I signed up to nearly 1000 sponsors with a different email addy for each and sure enough... a LOT of those addresses started getting a lot of spam.

MrDeiz · 01-07-2009, 07:11 AM

thx. deleted i$ from Signbucks Daily database

Machete_ · 01-07-2009, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by daizzzy

thx. deleted i$ from Signbucks Daily database

oohh rly? http://www.signbucksdaily.com/search...ible&x=26&y=10

MrDeiz · 01-07-2009, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

oohh rly? http://www.signbucksdaily.com/search...ible&x=26&y=10

just click on any of these sites and you'll get

Quote:

Page not found

Main page
Other things to try:

Search www.signbucksdaily.com:

they would be completely removed in 24h. it's technical delay

Roald · 01-07-2009, 07:22 AM

Who the fuck is Chargehelper.com/ OutsideBills.com

Just checked the addy I used to test and now this membership shows up today!

Time: 1/6/2009 9:05:22 PM CET
Amount: 12.95
Currency: USD

Note: The following billing descriptor appear on your credit card statement.
************************************************** ***
OutsideBills.com
************************************************** ***

Please contact the merchant directly for all questions regarding your order/shipment/tracking

Support Phone: 1-888-812-3715
Support Email: [email protected]

Roald · 01-07-2009, 07:28 AM

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...deBills.com%22

Funny, Archive cash huh!

Mefo · 01-07-2009, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...deBills.com%22

Funny, Archive cash huh!

Omg, didn't they confirm that it was a rogue employee and that it's now fixed?

Machete_ · 01-07-2009, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mefo

Omg, didn't they confirm that it was a rogue employee and that it's now fixed?

He bought them a cam and a chopper-ride, so they thought it was OK

chupachups · 01-07-2009, 07:36 AM

Is there ANYONE who is surprised?

01-06-2009, 03:40 PM	#1
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	Regarding the Incredible Dollars drama from last month.. So last month I made a post about Incredible Dollars because their billing practices sucked. Canceling did nothing and told you that you were canceled. I received a charge for something even though I unchecked all pre-checked cross sales... They refunded me all of my monies... Now I am getting spam to the address I created just for this experiment. LOADS OF SPAM!!! So.. Dear sponsors, these accounts are spamming. If you choose to do nothing you will end up like Nasty Dollars, BangBros and a host of other affiliates who chose to do nothing and ended up paying millions to settle... Meat Cash: NTA3NTQ5OjExODoyNQ Sexbank Roll: NjY2MzoxMDI6MTc2 Flashcash: MjUyMzE4OjU6NDE Maximum Cash: nameless Of course it wouldn't surprise me if the affiliate was I$ themselves...

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