grand torino

[split_joel]

by far one of the best movies ever made

[tatyana]

Just saw it tonight, great, great movie!

[mrwilson]

Great movie indeed, very worth watching

[Grapesoda]

is it a cross between death wish and the karate kid?

[Bama]

I downloaded it, Taken and Body Of Lies a few hours ago. Watched Body Of Lies & Taken and will watch Gran Torino tonight.

[John-ACWM]

Originally Posted by split_joel

by far one of the best movies ever made

Agree.
I have to say I was not a Clint Eastwood fan until now.I know he is a great actor,great director,4 Oscars...etc.
Some much thoughts going through my head about this movie...I'd give him another Oscar for this

[HorseShit]

I know nothing of it

[andy83]

so any one care to share a personal review of it before i watch it?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Bama

I downloaded it, Taken and Body Of Lies a few hours ago. Watched Body Of Lies & Taken and will watch Gran Torino tonight.

why not go to theater and buy a ticket?

[split_joel]

Originally Posted by andy83

so any one care to share a personal review of it before i watch it?

Bitter old man, who is a koren vet, is distant from remaining family, stands up to local gang ans is praised by a race of people he has no respect for.

That should be enough info

[Deej]

First intelligent comment I've ever heard you say...

[Lester Burnham]

Originally Posted by andy83

so any one care to share a personal review of it before i watch it?

My review:

1) Predictable - Hmmm....old white guy lives in the inner city. I wonder how this is going to end?

2) Tired out plot - Hmmmm....white guy comes into a neighborhood where the minorities don't know how to act. He teaches them how to be responsible, pick up girls, read, talk, drive, etc. White guy saves the day!! (replace neighborhood with a school, country, etc., and you have yourself another movie)

3) Asian people in American "no speaky englissshhh", drive honda civics, raise chickens in their back yards, and don't mow their lawns.

I enjoyed the movie quite honestly, but it was a little over the top in the stereotypes. We get it, old white guys who drive old vintage cars and have guns are cool...especially when they kick the asses of minorities.

IMHO, Sudden Impact, Dirty Harry and Magnum Force were waaaaay better.

[split_joel]

Originally Posted by Deej

First intelligent comment I've ever heard you say...

If that is directed at me then thank you

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by tony404

why not go to theater and buy a ticket?

[bobby666]

maybe i should download a copy

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by Lester Burnham

My review:

1) Predictable - Hmmm....old white guy lives in the inner city. I wonder how this is going to end?

2) Tired out plot - Hmmmm....white guy comes into a neighborhood where the minorities don't know how to act. He teaches them how to be responsible, pick up girls, read, talk, drive, etc. White guy saves the day!! (replace neighborhood with a school, country, etc., and you have yourself another movie)

3) Asian people in American "no speaky englissshhh", drive honda civics, raise chickens in their back yards, and don't mow their lawns.

I enjoyed the movie quite honestly, but it was a little over the top in the stereotypes. We get it, old white guys who drive old vintage cars and have guns are cool...especially when they kick the asses of minorities.

pretty much how i saw it as well...hated the ending tho, was inventive but i still hated it...

[Deej]

Originally Posted by Deej

First intelligent comment I've ever heard you say...

Originally Posted by split_joel

If that is directed at me then thank you

I take it back - You didnt even spell the fucking movie right...

[Bama]

Originally Posted by tony404

why not go to theater and buy a ticket?

I do go to the theaters and watch movies but when I do, those are trips with my daughter and the movies she chooses usually involve (one or all of) animation, flowers, ponies or singing

But here's the thing and you may or may not agree with me here..

My watching a movie from a download costs the studios no monetary loss. In fact, they still make money off of me and here's why...

Movie releases in theater - go watch - pay $15 per set of eyeballs
Movie releases in rentals - go rent dvd - pay $7.99 per movie - unlimited # of eyeballs

Now - stop right there. If the studios only released their movie into those 2 markets then yes, I would be costing them revenue and would agree with anyone that downloading a movie is wrong but the studios release their movie into a 3rd market....

Movie release on cable - free - unlimited # of eyeballs

I pay for cable and subscribe to all the premium channels so when it is released, I'll be able to see it no matter what network the studio pens the deal with. Cable takes a portion of their subscriber's revenue to pay the studios with - my money.

Renting a DVD or going to the theater... even by doing neither of those, I'd still get to watch the movie. I only watch a small portion of the movies released on cable even though my cable company pays the studios for the right to broadcast all of the movies they purchase the rights to so actually, the studio makes money on movies I don't even watch.

Watch it today or in 4 months when it's released to the cable company, one way or another I'd still see it and the money the studio makes or would make from me doesn't change.

And before you try to equate that analogy to the porn industry... paysites don't run for a year and then allow unfettered access to their members sections....

[Bojangles]

Great movie.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Bama

I do go to the theaters and watch movies but when I do, those are trips with my daughter and the movies she chooses usually involve (one or all of) animation, flowers, ponies or singing

But here's the thing and you may or may not agree with me here..

My watching a movie from a download costs the studios no monetary loss. In fact, they still make money off of me and here's why...

Movie releases in theater - go watch - pay $15 per set of eyeballs
Movie releases in rentals - go rent dvd - pay $7.99 per movie - unlimited # of eyeballs

Now - stop right there. If the studios only released their movie into those 2 markets then yes, I would be costing them revenue and would agree with anyone that downloading a movie is wrong but the studios release their movie into a 3rd market....

Movie release on cable - free - unlimited # of eyeballs

I pay for cable and subscribe to all the premium channels so when it is released, I'll be able to see it no matter what network the studio pens the deal with. Cable takes a portion of their subscriber's revenue to pay the studios with - my money.

Renting a DVD or going to the theater... even by doing neither of those, I'd still get to watch the movie. I only watch a small portion of the movies released on cable even though my cable company pays the studios for the right to broadcast all of the movies they purchase the rights to so actually, the studio makes money on movies I don't even watch.

Watch it today or in 4 months when it's released to the cable company, one way or another I'd still see it and the money the studio makes or would make from me doesn't change.

And before you try to equate that analogy to the porn industry... paysites don't run for a year and then allow unfettered access to their members sections....

so how did it look? the only reason I would go to a theater is for the cinematography.

[spanky part 2]

Originally Posted by Bama

I downloaded it, Taken and Body Of Lies a few hours ago. Watched Body Of Lies & Taken and will watch Gran Torino tonight.

Bet you are one of the same persons bitching about tube sites hurting your biz. I hate fucking thieves like you. To fucking cheap to pay for a movie but I bet you play the pimp to all your buddies.

[spanky part 2]

Originally Posted by Bama

I do go to the theaters and watch movies but when I do, those are trips with my daughter and the movies she chooses usually involve (one or all of) animation, flowers, ponies or singing

But here's the thing and you may or may not agree with me here..

My watching a movie from a download costs the studios no monetary loss. In fact, they still make money off of me and here's why...

Movie releases in theater - go watch - pay $15 per set of eyeballs
Movie releases in rentals - go rent dvd - pay $7.99 per movie - unlimited # of eyeballs

Now - stop right there. If the studios only released their movie into those 2 markets then yes, I would be costing them revenue and would agree with anyone that downloading a movie is wrong but the studios release their movie into a 3rd market....

Movie release on cable - free - unlimited # of eyeballs

I pay for cable and subscribe to all the premium channels so when it is released, I'll be able to see it no matter what network the studio pens the deal with. Cable takes a portion of their subscriber's revenue to pay the studios with - my money.

Renting a DVD or going to the theater... even by doing neither of those, I'd still get to watch the movie. I only watch a small portion of the movies released on cable even though my cable company pays the studios for the right to broadcast all of the movies they purchase the rights to so actually, the studio makes money on movies I don't even watch.

Watch it today or in 4 months when it's released to the cable company, one way or another I'd still see it and the money the studio makes or would make from me doesn't change.

And before you try to equate that analogy to the porn industry... paysites don't run for a year and then allow unfettered access to their members sections....

Compartmentalize all you want, you are still a thief and a scumbag. It's the little things that tell what a person is really like. I bet you go thru peoples wallets when they leave them laying on the counter to because the wanted you to. why else would they have left them out.

[Bama]

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Bet you are one of the same persons bitching about tube sites hurting your biz.

Hmm.. should I shut down my tube site now?

[undersoul]

i loved this movie, but best ever made might be a bit of a stretch.

[Reak AGV]

Saw it last night, awesome movie and twist

[baddog]

Originally Posted by undersoul

i loved this movie, but best ever made might be a bit of a stretch.

Consider the source.

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by Bama

I do go to the theaters and watch movies but when I do, those are trips with my daughter and the movies she chooses usually involve (one or all of) animation, flowers, ponies or singing

But here's the thing and you may or may not agree with me here..

My watching a movie from a download costs the studios no monetary loss. In fact, they still make money off of me and here's why...

Movie releases in theater - go watch - pay $15 per set of eyeballs
Movie releases in rentals - go rent dvd - pay $7.99 per movie - unlimited # of eyeballs

Now - stop right there. If the studios only released their movie into those 2 markets then yes, I would be costing them revenue and would agree with anyone that downloading a movie is wrong but the studios release their movie into a 3rd market....

Movie release on cable - free - unlimited # of eyeballs

I pay for cable and subscribe to all the premium channels so when it is released, I'll be able to see it no matter what network the studio pens the deal with. Cable takes a portion of their subscriber's revenue to pay the studios with - my money.

Renting a DVD or going to the theater... even by doing neither of those, I'd still get to watch the movie. I only watch a small portion of the movies released on cable even though my cable company pays the studios for the right to broadcast all of the movies they purchase the rights to so actually, the studio makes money on movies I don't even watch.

Watch it today or in 4 months when it's released to the cable company, one way or another I'd still see it and the money the studio makes or would make from me doesn't change.

And before you try to equate that analogy to the porn industry... paysites don't run for a year and then allow unfettered access to their members sections....

Justify it all you want but stealing is stealing and you're still a thieving scumbag who should be banned for admitting he downloads hollywood movies, you wouldn't be the first.

Want me to show you?

If you will steal for NO GAIN, you most certainly will steal FOR GAIN. Good luck...:

[Bama]

Hey, I'm all for poking holes in my theory and if you're capable of showing me the error of my ways step up to the plate. But it's going to take more brain power than a "scumbag" comment so I think we'll need 2 fresh candidates.

[D Ghost]

cant wait to see it

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by Bama

Hey, I'm all for poking holes in my theory and if you're capable of showing me the error of my ways step up to the plate. But it's going to take more brain power than a "scumbag" comment so I think we'll need 2 fresh candidates.

Okay, lets use your reasoning...

I pay for the fastest internet package there is, therefore everything ON the internet should be free to me. Right?

You're right... It doesn't take much brain power since a scumbag is easy to spot.

Lets hear from the MODS please.

and for your viewing pleasure, some members who are no longer here because they spouted off on here like you are now. STELLAR - SO FUCKING BANNED ... SUPER NEGRO - SO FUCKING BANNED

Originally Posted by Darkland

Where have you been? I been blasting some dude named Stellar who openly admits he steals shit using torrents all the time.

Check these:
This one he tells you who to download it from...
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=867299

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=872098

Advises everyone a HQ rip of Quantum of Solace is available on torrent
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/872482-quantum-solace-review.html

Here is wants confirmation that his actions are OK and this thread is
full of fucking thiefs.
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/872667-honestly-downloaded-movie.html

Look at it like this... If you will steal for no gain, you will most assuredly steal FOR gain.

Notice some of those threads got closed because the thread starters had the same beliefs on stealing as you do.

[stevo]

I thought it was okay... Eastwood's acting was good, but the asians needed some more work, some scenes seemed kinda corny.

[collegeboobies]

wow whats the deal with download haters

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by collegeboobies

wow whats the deal with download haters

wow whats the deal with thiefs

[tranza]

Who directed this movie?

[Jago Webcams]

i also thought this was a great movie

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Bama

I do go to the theaters and watch movies but when I do, those are trips with my daughter and the movies she chooses usually involve (one or all of) animation, flowers, ponies or singing

But here's the thing and you may or may not agree with me here..

My watching a movie from a download costs the studios no monetary loss. In fact, they still make money off of me and here's why...

Movie releases in theater - go watch - pay $15 per set of eyeballs
Movie releases in rentals - go rent dvd - pay $7.99 per movie - unlimited # of eyeballs

Now - stop right there. If the studios only released their movie into those 2 markets then yes, I would be costing them revenue and would agree with anyone that downloading a movie is wrong but the studios release their movie into a 3rd market....

Movie release on cable - free - unlimited # of eyeballs

I pay for cable and subscribe to all the premium channels so when it is released, I'll be able to see it no matter what network the studio pens the deal with. Cable takes a portion of their subscriber's revenue to pay the studios with - my money.

Renting a DVD or going to the theater... even by doing neither of those, I'd still get to watch the movie. I only watch a small portion of the movies released on cable even though my cable company pays the studios for the right to broadcast all of the movies they purchase the rights to so actually, the studio makes money on movies I don't even watch.

Watch it today or in 4 months when it's released to the cable company, one way or another I'd still see it and the money the studio makes or would make from me doesn't change.

And before you try to equate that analogy to the porn industry... paysites don't run for a year and then allow unfettered access to their members sections....

Ever notice that people who download stuff always have an elaborate rationale? You have an indefensible position. When you download, instead of going to the theater, you are taking money from the filmmakers and studio who are creating the product you like to enjoy, thus jeapordizing your future enjoyment. It's not any more complicated than that.

You can throw out a bunch of double-talk, but its stealing.

[Bama]

Originally Posted by Darkland

Okay, lets use your reasoning...

I pay for the fastest internet package there is, therefore everything ON the internet should be free to me. Right?

My apologies. I said fresh candidates and I should have been more clearer. Candidates with a few more brain cells than you possess. I really try to refrain from the name calling but that's an incredibly idiotic analogy and doesn't come close to resembling the process described above.

Would you like to try again or sit back in the corner and let those with a higher intellect take over for you?

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by Bama

My apologies. I said fresh candidates and I should have been more clearer. Candidates with a few more brain cells than you possess. I really try to refrain from the name calling but that's an incredibly idiotic analogy and doesn't come close to resembling the process described above.

Would you like to try again or sit back in the corner and let those with a higher intellect take over for you?

Okay... name calling aside. Lets look at it this way.

You say since you pay for cable and all the premium channels, you have the right to every hollywood movie "FREE OF CHARGE" since cable and the premium channels pay the movie studios for it.

1. It isn't free of charge, you are paying your monthly cable bill. Anything above and beyond that IS NOT AN ALL EXCLUSIVE CHARGE for a free for all access pass to anything you want.
2. If NONE of those channels are airing said movie then your rationale falls short again.
3. No cable channel, premium or otherwise, airs movies still in theatres so again, your rationale falls short.
4. Even IF they HAVE aired said movie but isn't in the current roster, that still does not give you the right to it or any other Hollywood movie just because you pay a cable bill.

So lets assume for a minute that you were brought up on charges and we are standing in front of a judge or a jury. You really think they are going to buy this theory of yours?

No.

[ztik]

clint eastwood goes to the ghetto II

[Bama]

Originally Posted by bronco67

When you download, instead of going to the theater, you are taking money from the filmmakers and studio who are creating the product you like to enjoy, thus jeopardizing your future enjoyment. It's not any more complicated than that.

Well, you're a step in the right direction but it is more complicated than that.

When you go to the theater you're not writing a check to 20th Century Fox. You're paying to watch the movie on a big screen with Dobly THX surround sound. They, in turn, share a percentage of the receipts with the studios.

I didn't watch it on a big screen so why would I pay the theater for a service they didn't provide to me? Do you cut a monthly check to the theater chains when you don't go to a movie just to ensure the future enjoyment of the movie industry? That's just what you've said I should be doing..

The studio does need to be paid for producing the product and they are paid in the same manner as the theater does - a percentage of the receipts and they are paid by me - every month just like clock work. I even pay them for products they produce that I don't watch.

[bronco67]

I'm going today, but I heard its like Disney made a movie about a racist. It doesn't really "go there", if you know what I mean. I'll find out for myself.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Darkland

3. No cable channel, premium or otherwise, airs movies still in theatres . . .

Pretty sure I have the option to view movies that are newly released on Time Warner.

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by baddog

Pretty sure I have the option to view movies that are newly released on Time Warner.

Including big budget big star just released in theatres movies? Show me what channel is showing Gran Torino, I would like to see it too.

I am not talking about Indie Flicks here, I get those too on "Movies On Demand".

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Bama

Well, you're a step in the right direction but it is more complicated than that.

When you go to the theater you're not writing a check to 20th Century Fox. You're paying to watch the movie on a big screen with Dobly THX surround sound. They, in turn, share a percentage of the receipts with the studios.

I didn't watch it on a big screen so why would I pay the theater for a service they didn't provide to me? Do you cut a monthly check to the theater chains when you don't go to a movie just to ensure the future enjoyment of the movie industry? That's just what you've said I should be doing..

The studio does need to be paid for producing the product and they are paid in the same manner as the theater does - a percentage of the receipts and they are paid by me - every month just like clock work. I even pay them for products they produce that I don't watch.

You're doing it again. There will be no winning with you, because you have convinced yourself you are not stealing.

Anyway, the theater doesn't get as big a percentage as you might think.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Ever notice that people who download stuff always have an elaborate rationale? You have an indefensible position. When you download, instead of going to the theater, you are taking money from the filmmakers and studio who are creating the product you like to enjoy, thus jeapordizing your future enjoyment. It's not any more complicated than that.

You can throw out a bunch of double-talk, but its stealing.

Actually, you are creating a false dilemma. If the choice between either going to the movie theater or downloading, your logic works. If the choice is between downloading or not watching, it fails.

Personally, I download movies fairly regularly.

The catch: I have an unlimited subscription to the movie theater. If I wanted to, I could see every single movie that is released there 5 times over without paying a cent more than I already do.

The funny part: if there was a paid download service with guaranteed high quality and no annoying drm, I'd use that.

The "they can go fuck themselves" part: on every blank dvd I buy for backup purposes, I have to pay an extra "tax" which is used to compensate record and movie companies for people copying their work.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Bama

I do go to the theaters and watch movies but when I do, those are trips with my daughter and the movies she chooses usually involve (one or all of) animation, flowers, ponies or singing

But here's the thing and you may or may not agree with me here..

My watching a movie from a download costs the studios no monetary loss. In fact, they still make money off of me and here's why...

Movie releases in theater - go watch - pay $15 per set of eyeballs
Movie releases in rentals - go rent dvd - pay $7.99 per movie - unlimited # of eyeballs

Now - stop right there. If the studios only released their movie into those 2 markets then yes, I would be costing them revenue and would agree with anyone that downloading a movie is wrong but the studios release their movie into a 3rd market....

Movie release on cable - free - unlimited # of eyeballs

I pay for cable and subscribe to all the premium channels so when it is released, I'll be able to see it no matter what network the studio pens the deal with. Cable takes a portion of their subscriber's revenue to pay the studios with - my money.

Renting a DVD or going to the theater... even by doing neither of those, I'd still get to watch the movie. I only watch a small portion of the movies released on cable even though my cable company pays the studios for the right to broadcast all of the movies they purchase the rights to so actually, the studio makes money on movies I don't even watch.

Watch it today or in 4 months when it's released to the cable company, one way or another I'd still see it and the money the studio makes or would make from me doesn't change.

And before you try to equate that analogy to the porn industry... paysites don't run for a year and then allow unfettered access to their members sections....

Try looking at it like this.

When a movie comes out in the theater you pay to see it for two reasons. 1. You get to watch it on the big screen and 2. You get the convenience of seeing it now, not in 4,6,8 or however many months it takes to get to HBO or TNT or wherever on cable.

When you do watch it on cable later you are trading a service for a price. If you watch it on HBO or some other premium channel you are paying for access to that movie (and their other content) so you get to watch it. If you watch it on one of the non premium channels you are exchanging your time to watch it. There is an implied agreement that you get to see the movie for free in exchange for putting up with some commercial breaks.

By downloading it you can be taking money from the studio and all parties involved. Many movies end up having their future earnings based on how well they preform at the box office. If you have a movie that does 150 million at the box office it will likely sell more DVDs, rent more DVDs, sell more pay per views and command a higher fee from both premium and basic cable channels when it is later sold to those markets than if your movie made 50 million. So by downloading it you are, in effect, causing it to preform worse at the box office than it otherwise may have and that could cause them a loss of revenue down the stream.

[kane]

The downloading argument aside, I say go see Grand Torino. Clint is amazing and the movie is stunning.

It is not about a bitter old man teaching other people how to live or being a hero. It is about a man so consumed by guilt that he craves redemption and one day finds it in a place he would have never imagined.

[Bama]

Originally Posted by Darkland

Okay... name calling aside. Lets look at it this way.

Excellent - now we can have a meaningful discussion. Like I mentioned earlier - show me the error of my ways. I'm a pretty easy going guy and even easier to get along with

Originally Posted by Darkland

You say since you pay for cable and all the premium channels, you have the right to every hollywood movie "FREE OF CHARGE" since cable and the premium channels pay the movie studios for it.

I would concede this point if you can (and I'm trying but can't come up with one yet) tell me a blockbuster movie made within the last 3 years that has never been released onto cable television.

Originally Posted by Darkland

If NONE of those channels are airing said movie then your rationale falls short again.

Actually, no, it doesn't and in fact strengthens my argument. I tape shows on one day and then watch them the following days using TIVO - a perfectly legal and another service I pay for. The show's that I taped the previous day aren't on the following day but I can still watch it. No one yells "thief" under those circumstances and there isn't a soul among you that sit through the commercials on a taped show but you won't see me yelling "you're depriving the studio's of advertising revenue" at anyone.

Originally Posted by Darkland

3. No cable channel, premium or otherwise, airs movies still in theaters so again, your rationale falls short.

I never said they did (though if you check out the movie section of just about any hotel you'll see a "still in theaters" section...

Originally Posted by Darkland

4. Even IF they HAVE aired said movie but isn't in the current roster, that still does not give you the right to it or any other Hollywood movie just because you pay a cable bill.

Sure it does and I'll point you back to the Tivo comment above. I'm able to Tivo it and watch it any time I like for as long as I like - free of charge.


So lets assume for a minute that you were brought up on charges and we are standing in front of a judge or a jury. You really think they are going to buy this theory of yours[/QUOTE]

I can't presume to speak for anyone but I do believe that I have a strong argument but even if they didn't, I would ask that they in turn prove to me monetary damages.

[AliGbone]

i gonna check it out tanks !

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by Bama

Excellent - now we can have a meaningful discussion. Like I mentioned earlier - show me the error of my ways. I'm a pretty easy going guy and even easier to get along with

Not jacking this guys thread anymore... Will start a new thread later where we can discuss this with others.