Where in the Bible gives Israel the right to be Israel?

[BVF]

My mama's a Christian and she's drinking the kool aid like a muthafucka.....There was a slick propoganda brochure about the plight of Israel called "Israel 101" sitting on the dining room table.....Out of four kids on the cover, two of them were black, which makes no fucking sense...

Anyway, it's just Zionist propoganda but because my mother thinks Jews are the "chosen people" she came up with something like the Jews were GIVEN that land by God somewhere...

So I want to know where in the Bible does it say this bullshit so that I can look it up.

[hypedough]

Under the part where it says Jews killed Jesus, right under it.

[Brujah]

Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he's a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.
But they got, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.

[Robbie]

I don't really care what an old book of fairy tales and nonsense says anyway. The only people that gave them the "right" to be Israel was the U.S. and Great Britain after WW2. In hindsight it's been a terrible decision. Shoulda carved a country out for them in the middle of Europe where all the atrocities took place. Then we wouldn't have all these sand monkeys trying to blow every damn thing up everyday.

[Fletch XXX]

all i know is the bible says:

"ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye shall do"

so i roll with it

\m/

[Azoy?]

Originally Posted by hypedough

Under the part where it says Jews killed Jesus, right under it.

Actually it's under the part where it says a negro is and will always be a negro no matter how white they try to be.

[Azoy?]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't really care what an old book of fairy tales and nonsense says anyway. The only people that gave them the "right" to be Israel was the U.S. and Great Britain after WW2. In hindsight it's been a terrible decision. Shoulda carved a country out for them in the middle of Europe where all the atrocities took place. Then we wouldn't have all these sand monkeys trying to blow every damn thing up everyday.

"These sand monkeys" will blow something somewhere anywhere as long as they can cause terror in the world and if you think Israel has anything to do with it, you are wrong.
The terrorist have blown up and did terror attacks in other parts of the world not just israel because they wanted things done their way.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Azoy?

"These sand monkeys" will blow something somewhere anywhere as long as they can cause terror in the world and if you think Israel has anything to do with it, you are wrong.
The terrorist have blown up and did terror attacks in other parts of the world not just israel because they wanted things done their way.

Then we should just dig Israel up. Just dig down about 50 feet so we get all the "holy land" in one big scoop. Then get a fleet of helicopters to air transport the whole thing out to New Mexico. Set it down in the desert and call it "Israel"

That way the Palestineans can have that partictular chunk of wasteland desert. And the state of Israel won't even notice the difference because they will still be in a wasteland desert too. Everybody wins!

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Originally Posted by BVF

My mama's a Christian and she's drinking the kool aid like a muthafucka.....There was a slick propoganda brochure about the plight of Israel called "Israel 101" sitting on the dining room table.....Out of four kids on the cover, two of them were black, which makes no fucking sense...

Anyway, it's just Zionist propoganda but because my mother thinks Jews are the "chosen people" she came up with something like the Jews were GIVEN that land by God somewhere...

So I want to know where in the Bible does it say this bullshit so that I can look it up.

I've always thought the whole thing with jews and christians was pretty weird. Especially since, you know, jews don't believe Jesus was the son of God and died for our sins, whereas that's pretty much the basis of Christianity.

The passages they use to justify giving Israel to the Jews come from a few different places. Some don't mean much out of context, but here are a few of the more obvious ones. Check out:

deut. 34:4:
Then the LORD said to him, "This is the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when I said, 'I will give it to your descendants.' I have let you see it with your eyes, but you will not cross over into it."

exodus 6:8:
Therefore, say to the Israelites: 'I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the yoke of the Egyptians. I will free you from being slaves to them, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with mighty acts of judgment. 7 I will take you as my own people, and I will be your God. Then you will know that I am the LORD your God, who brought you out from under the yoke of the Egyptians. 8 And I will bring you to the land I swore with uplifted hand to give to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob. I will give it to you as a possession. I am the LORD.' "

And even though this guy seems to be Christian and has his own Flying Spaghetti Monster agenda to push, he makes some interesting points about Israel and the Jews from a biblical perspective.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=27395

[Azoy?]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Then we should just dig Israel up. Just dig down about 50 feet so we get all the "holy land" in one big scoop. Then get a fleet of helicopters to air transport the whole thing out to New Mexico. Set it down in the desert and call it "Israel"

That way the Palestineans can have that partictular chunk of wasteland desert. And the state of Israel won't even notice the difference because they will still be in a wasteland desert too. Everybody wins!

I have a better idea, why don't we dig down about 50 feet then transport you to New Mexico so you can be in a waste land and not be bothered by any current issues in the world today and not have to post stupid comments on GFY.
That way everybody really wins

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Azoy?

I have a better idea, why don't we dig down about 50 feet then transport you to New Mexico so you can be in a waste land and not be bothered by any current issues in the world today and not have to post stupid comments on GFY.
That way everybody really wins

I'm down with that! Now go fuck yourself

[Lamis]

ISRAEL is an illegal state, created by USA, after world war II. The ONU is functional to USA.

Palestina used to be a state before they invented the illegal state of Israel, to give the US zionists like Woody Allen, a gift.

Nowadays, most people consider that the Jews of Israel are Nazis. It really sounds like a Paradox, but it's so true. The zionists act the SAME WAY as the Nazis.

[Azoy?]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm down with that! Now go fuck yourself

So go. What's holding you ?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Azoy?

So go. What's holding you ?

Nothing. I'll just drive south a couple of hours.

Look, before you got all crazy on me...I thought my point was pretty obvious.

They are fighting over DIRT. In their minds it's "holy" because they all believe in their own brand of superstitions. They call it religion. To me it's not much different than fighting over whose Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy is the "real" one.

All this fighting and death over what? Some arid, dry, desert land.

I mean...maybe if it was some nice beach front property in Palm Beach then it could make a little bit of sense.

That was my whole point. Nothing more and nothing less.

You said they just instinctively hate and want to kill. Well, I don't think it was always that way. Before WW2....it was all "Lawrence Of Arabia" and the romantic French Foreign Legion. The mideast was a place where archaeologists went and home of exotic belly dancing.

We kinda stirred up the muslim community by creating Isreal in the middle of Palestine. Then it was easy for the religious leaders there to use nationalism to turn the population into religious zealots.

That's what I meant when I said "in hindsight it wasn't a good idea"

So take a chill pill and relax. I wasn't attacking anybody. Just pointing out what I think is the utter and complete foolishness of all the killing over there.

[PastorSinAlot]

I love the jews

[pornguy]

I say we turn the entire area to glass and start over.

[Dollarmansteve]

it's moot. Israel controls the territory and defends it with their military. Unless someone militarily removes the israeli government, invades and takes control of the land, Israel doesnt need the "right" to exist.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Then we should just dig Israel up. Just dig down about 50 feet so we get all the "holy land" in one big scoop. Then get a fleet of helicopters to air transport the whole thing out to New Mexico. Set it down in the desert and call it "Israel"

That way the Palestineans can have that partictular chunk of wasteland desert. And the state of Israel won't even notice the difference because they will still be in a wasteland desert too. Everybody wins!

I never understood why no Arab state said, "hey, Palestine! We will give you a piece of our desert for you to live in peace and harmony with your brothers."

Why is that?

[onwebcam]

If you want to know a good portion of the "Truth" I suggest

Pharmacratic Inquisition

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...65073003895154

[Azoy?]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Nothing. I'll just drive south a couple of hours.

Look, before you got all crazy on me...I thought my point was pretty obvious.

They are fighting over DIRT. In their minds it's "holy" because they all believe in their own brand of superstitions. They call it religion. To me it's not much different than fighting over whose Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy is the "real" one.

All this fighting and death over what? Some arid, dry, desert land.

I mean...maybe if it was some nice beach front property in Palm Beach then it could make a little bit of sense.

That was my whole point. Nothing more and nothing less.

You said they just instinctively hate and want to kill. Well, I don't think it was always that way. Before WW2....it was all "Lawrence Of Arabia" and the romantic French Foreign Legion. The mideast was a place where archaeologists went and home of exotic belly dancing.

We kinda stirred up the muslim community by creating Isreal in the middle of Palestine. Then it was easy for the religious leaders there to use nationalism to turn the population into religious zealots.

That's what I meant when I said "in hindsight it wasn't a good idea"

So take a chill pill and relax. I wasn't attacking anybody. Just pointing out what I think is the utter and complete foolishness of all the killing over there.

Actually I am relexed and I never said "they just instinctively hate and want to kill." as you stated. You also know little about history.
It was England that divided the land. England never said, this belongs to Israel and this to the Palestinians. Jordan also refused them as well as Egypt because they didn't want fundamental Muslims in their land to take over and cause the country to go back 200 years as they have done in other parts of the world.
In terms of moving, why did you specify Israel ? Maybe the fundamentalist who cause all the terror should move if they don't' like it to much ?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Azoy?

You also know little about history.

Hey thanks for telling me what I do and don't know.

Originally Posted by Azoy?

I never said"they just instinctively hate and want to kill." as you stated.

this is what I was talking about:

Originally Posted by Azoy?

"These sand monkeys" will blow something somewhere anywhere as long as they can cause terror in the world and if you think Israel has anything to do with it, you are wrong.
The terrorist have blown up and did terror attacks in other parts of the world not just israel because they wanted things done their way.

Originally Posted by Azoy?

You also know little about history.
It was England that divided the land.
In terms of moving, why did you specify Israel ? Maybe the fundamentalist who cause all the terror should move if they don't' like it to much ?

That's weird, I coulda swore it the ALLIES who made the real decision there. U.S., Great Britain, and France...

And I specified Israel, because that is the country that was carved into Palestine. And they were put there specifically to get the Jewish people out of Europe once and for all and give them their own country. So I just jokingly figured why not move them to another desert that looks just like the dry dirt they live on now.

I'd rather have the Jews out here partying in Vegas and gambling than to have a bunch of crazed and pissed off muslim nutjobs running around.

[Azoy?]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Hey thanks for telling me what I do and don't know.



this is what I was talking about:



That's weird, I coulda swore it the ALLIES who made the real decision there. U.S., Great Britain, and France...

And I specified Israel, because that is the country that was carved into Palestine. And they were put there specifically to get the Jewish people out of Europe once and for all and give them their own country. So I just jokingly figured why not move them to another desert that looks just like the dry dirt they live on now.

I'd rather have the Jews out here partying in Vegas and gambling than to have a bunch of crazed and pissed off muslim nutjobs running around.

Actually you are wrong again. Jewish people are still in Europe. It was not given to them to get them out of Europe but to have their own country.
And you were wrong again, it was England who gave and divided that land. The US was actually against Israel forming up at the first UN vote.
France as usual doesn't know what they want especially after the US saved their ass in WW2.
And you were wrong a third time as Israel is not a dry dirt land they live on. In the 60 years they existed they have transformed that land to a modern society like any other modern city such as NY, LA, Chicago, Miami and so on unlike those other countries who are back 200 years after Muslim fundamentalist took over.
So you know jack and shit asshole.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by Lamis

ISRAEL is an illegal state, created by USA, after world war II. The ONU is functional to USA.

Palestina used to be a state before they invented the illegal state of Israel, to give the US zionists like Woody Allen, a gift.

Nowadays, most people consider that the Jews of Israel are Nazis. It really sounds like a Paradox, but it's so true. The zionists act the SAME WAY as the Nazis.

Are you really this fucking stupid?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Azoy?

asshole.

Nice. A keyboard big man.

I hope you don't call people that to their face. I was having a conversation but you seem to be looking for a message board fight. Have fun tough guy. I'm outta here.

[Azoy?]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Nice. A keyboard big man.

I hope you don't call people that to their face. I was having a conversation but you seem to be looking for a message board fight. Have fun tough guy. I'm outta here.

I am not looking for a fight just stating fact that you can not respond to because you are to stupid with no education to come back with a logical answer.

[SmokeyTheBear]

www.godhatesshrimp.com

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by baddog

I never understood why no Arab state said, "hey, Palestine! We will give you a piece of our desert for you to live in peace and harmony with your brothers."

Why is that?

if baptists were given the usa and kicked you out would you move to mexico because they gave you some land ? or would you fight to keep the property you own in the usa ?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Azoy?

I am not looking for a fight just stating fact that you can not respond to because you are to stupid with no education to come back with a logical answer.

that would be TOO stupid, not "to" stupid professor.

[dav3]

"chosen people" lol

Isn't that what hilter used to say about Germany?

[Juicy D. Links]

Psalms 4:56

[Azoy?]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Psalms 4:56

Juicy yash po arbai bnia zonot

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by baddog

I never understood why no Arab state said, "hey, Palestine! We will give you a piece of our desert for you to live in peace and harmony with your brothers."

Why is that?

oh come on!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by baddog

I never understood why no Arab state said, "hey, Palestine! We will give you a piece of our desert for you to live in peace and harmony with your brothers."

Why is that?

After the liberation of Kuwait from the Iraqi invasion I was flying back from Thailand and sitting next to me was a Kuwaiti doctor who was on holiday before the invasion and extended his stay. During which time he was getting reports from home.

We had a long talk about the invasion and Middle East. He did not like Iraqis invasion or no invasion. To him they were low class. But they were above the Palestinians who he regarded as little more than an Arab form of gypsy. He said the Iraqis were inflicting a lot of persecution on the Palestinians working in Kuwait. He was pleased about that.

The State of Israel can only stay where it is with the aid from the US. If Saudi exerted enough pressure today on the US they would have to think long and hard about their position of backing Israel. The US Israel lobby v the Saudi's and other Arab countries oil and loans lobby. Today it would be a very brave man who chose the Israel lobby.

The situation seems the Muslim Brotherhood still does not stretch far enough. Even though they will never admit it.

As for the original question. Some guy walked off a mountain and said God told him it was theirs. And that's enough.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by BVF

So I want to know where in the Bible does it say this bullshit so that I can look it up.

Wouldn't it be better to ask this question on a Christian or religious board?

Just a thought.

Wait, isn't the bible now Googleable? :D

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Are you really this fucking stupid?

Wow nice rebuttal, totally destroyed his argument there.

[diesel]

The choosiness, you are talking about, refers to a specific set of responsibilities. You can't compare it with a Nazis choosiness.

Thanks to Israel, this land is civilized and very pleasant for travel and staying.
It's enough to visit East part of Jerusalem which controlled by Arabs, to see how it would look.

[BVF]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Wouldn't it be better to ask this question on a Christian or religious board?

Just a thought.

Wait, isn't the bible now Googleable? :D

Yeah that's the ticket....find and register for a Christian board so that i can ask ONE question.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by buzzy

Wow nice rebuttal, totally destroyed his argument there.

I see no need to put together a coherent response to a few lines of completely false propaganda. The poster is obviously a mental defective so why waste the energy writing a rebuttal to his nonsense?

If I am going to waste time with an Islamibot troll then I would rather argue with you my friend. At least you have some elementary understanding of the situation despite the many flaws in your arguments. I doubt Hamas would have chosen you as their official GFY representative otherwise.

[milan]

Originally Posted by Lamis

ISRAEL is an illegal state, created by USA, after world war II. The ONU is functional to USA.

Palestina used to be a state before they invented the illegal state of Israel, to give the US zionists like Woody Allen, a gift.

Nowadays, most people consider that the Jews of Israel are Nazis. It really sounds like a Paradox, but it's so true. The zionists act the SAME WAY as the Nazis.

What are you talking about illegal? there was NEVER a state called Palestine, that land was promised to the Arabs and the Jews in 1916-1917 by Geat Britain, it was part of the Ottoman Empire for 400 years before that.

Jews accepted that and took the part that was promised them in 1948 but that same day Arab nations started a war that basically keep on going till this day... (and every time they lost Israel had an added piece to it)

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by BVF

Yeah that's the ticket....find and register for a Christian board so that i can ask ONE question.

Yeah, the two minutes it would take to register and the other two to post your question would be, well, just way too much of a time drain.

Better to let the porn crowd have a go at it.

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

I see no need to put together a coherent response to a few lines of completely false propaganda. The poster is obviously a mental defective so why waste the energy writing a rebuttal to his nonsense?

If I am going to waste time with an Islamibot troll then I would rather argue with you my friend. At least you have some elementary understanding of the situation despite the many flaws in your arguments. I doubt Hamas would have chosen you as their official GFY representative otherwise.

This is what should happen IMO.

1967 borders
dismantle illegal settlements
East Jerusalem Palestinian capital
right of return of refugees to Palestine
BIG compensation to EACH refugee from Israel.

What do you think? IMO that is fair and does not equate to me being a "Hamas supporter".

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

I see no need to put together a coherent response to a few lines of completely false propaganda. The poster is obviously a mental defective so why waste the energy writing a rebuttal to his nonsense?

If I am going to waste time with an Islamibot troll then I would rather argue with you my friend. At least you have some elementary understanding of the situation despite the many flaws in your arguments. I doubt Hamas would have chosen you as their official GFY representative otherwise.

translation = you're not smart enough to come up with an answer.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by diesel

You can't compare it with a Nazis choosiness.

i think he just proved that statement wrong didnt he , he can compare them and he did

Originally Posted by diesel

Thanks to Israel, this land is civilized and very pleasant for travel and staying.

umm i hope you mean in your fantasy it would be like that , in the real world they are killing babies and burning old people alive with WP, not exactly "civilized" or "pleasant" , unless your idea of pleasant is rocketing women and children and watching people burn alive.

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by Azoy?

Juicy yash po arbai bnia zonot

[Juicy D. Links]

Psalms 2:89

The Lord Said let there be the land o hear me my children the land is yours he said

[Juicy D. Links]

Genesis 3:8

The lord said let there be loose women with plump lips

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Genesis 3:8

The lord said let there be loose women with plump lips

this passage about 2 chicks getting their dad drunk on wine then having sex with him is kinda strange

Genesis 19:31

And the firstborn said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of all the world.

Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, so that we may preserve offspring through our father."

So they made their father drink wine that night; and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; he did not know when she lay down or when she rose.

On the next day, the firstborn said to the younger, "Look, I lay last night with my father; let us make him drink wine tonight also; then you go in and lie with him, so that we may preserve offspring through our father."

So they made their father drink wine that night also; and the younger rose, and lay with him; and he did not know when she lay down or when she rose.

[nico-t]

Gfy 8:08

Thou shall drink 1 pint of hard liquor and 1 pint of beer

[retardednewbie]

The old testament was written for the people of Israel.

[TisMe]

All in the interpretation, every group interprets their own book to say what justifies their actions and advances their agenda.