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Old 01-26-2009, 04:37 PM   #1
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V_RocKs Stats for 2008

Just saw XXXJay's stats and decided to release my own. What can I say? XXXJay has been an inspiration of mine ever since I first found his site and wondered how the fucker was making money.

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Old 01-26-2009, 04:40 PM   #2
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Rage Cash with hahaha doing better than before he bought it?

... and everyone is complaining how hahaha destroys the programs he buys
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Old 01-26-2009, 04:41 PM   #3
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Interesting = "Rage Cash - The only program I am pushing that GOT BETTER when hahaha took it over."
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Are you sure the ratios are all based on 1st page hits? Remember many programs dont count 1st page or dont base their ratios on 1st page.
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Sweet, will check some of those proggies out for some new blog and freesite ventures
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Old 01-26-2009, 04:53 PM   #6
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oh my heart ... 0:21k ... nice that you dont have ref code with the crappy results programs thanks for sharing and wish you best with your sites!
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Are you sure the ratios are all based on 1st page hits? Remember many programs dont count 1st page or dont base their ratios on 1st page.
at the risk of speaking incorrectly for V_Rocks, I believe he mentioned before that he keeps track of all of his own stats/ratios independently of what the sponsors themselves claim, so he is actually tracking hits sent to sponsors the same for all sponsors
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Old 01-26-2009, 05:06 PM   #8
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with NaughtyAmerica you have the ref

http://incredibledollars.com/track/MjE2OjIwOjE0/
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at the risk of speaking incorrectly for V_Rocks, I believe he mentioned before that he keeps track of all of his own stats/ratios independently of what the sponsors themselves claim, so he is actually tracking hits sent to sponsors the same for all sponsors
smart move .. lots of work

wish i could take the time to do this.

its so different from one to another.
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with NaughtyAmerica you have the ref

http://incredibledollars.com/track/MjE2OjIwOjE0/
Sure about that?
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Are you sure the ratios are all based on 1st page hits? Remember many programs dont count 1st page or dont base their ratios on 1st page.
These stats are from Stats Remote.

I don't have time to break down this many programs stats any other way... Project took 30 minutes... Didn't want to make it an all day thing.
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Old 01-26-2009, 05:11 PM   #13
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Interesting stats.

Hope you add our unique sites and add another revenue stream

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Sure about that?
Yep, as far as my browser says.
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interesting. what's "Daring Press"?
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Old 01-26-2009, 05:17 PM   #18
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thanks for sharing, always nice to see if im getting similar numbers. ive been meaning to do this but figured it would take too much time to compile.
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interesting. what's "Daring Press"?
guy behind darering.com and sellyoursextape.com good clean amateur sites that convert. Fucking shame he has no webmaster ref payout LOL I have pointed for sure 10+ people his way
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ah . thanks.
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Just saw XXXJay's stats and decided to release my own. What can I say? XXXJay has been an inspiration of mine ever since I first found his site and wondered how the fucker was making money.

Stats 2008
Thank you for the stats. I think I'll make some changes (or at least try some things) based on them. I remember reading some threads about companies reporting stats differently to hide their shitty numbers. Specifically I remember someone saying Lightspeed uses the number of people from the 2nd page of the tour when everyone else uses the 1st page of the tour. I didn't pay any attention at the time because Juggcash made life easy and I liked their porn. I'm looking to expand now. My question is, do all of these companies you have listed use the same measurables? Are they all from the first page of the tour or the last page of the tour? Google Analytics defines a returning surfer unique if they have been gone 30 minutes. I think Extreme Tracker goes by a 24 hour period based on the Central time zone. Do all of these companies interpret these numbers the same? (I went back to read some responses in your thread just now before posting. Stats Remote just takes the numbers from the sponsor right? It would make all things equal, correct? Does a list of the inconsistencies exist? That could be a fun project)

Even if they don't you've certainly provided a very good view of your statistics from many angles. It will still provide me with a good idea of what to test.

I troll this forum looking for someone writing about a topic relevant to me and who isn't writing something fucking stupid. That is an incredibly hard combination to come by here... If you have some hidden agenda and posted this for selfish purposes you have fooled me. It looks genuinely helpful. Thanks.
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Dare Ring.

Strange how no program born pre 2003 did this a long fucking time ago.

Especially Light Speed.
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I troll this forum looking for someone writing about a topic relevant to me and who isn't writing something fucking stupid. That is an incredibly hard combination to come by here... If you have some hidden agenda and posted this for selfish purposes you have fooled me. It looks genuinely helpful. Thanks.
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Old 01-26-2009, 05:47 PM   #25
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One of the things you might look at is pay per click. Most of my non SEO traffic is teen traffic and much of the SEO is also teen traffic and many of these programs are revshare...

So programs with a good pay per click and are in the top ten would be a no-brainer.

Meat Cash is almost all rebills. So it is unfairly showing a high pay per click. And those tapered off SHARPLY in the last 2 months due to sites not updating any where near as much as they did pre-hahaha. But then again, I think they sold to hahaha because they weren't going to have money to update or something... Because it seems that problem actually started months before hahaha bought it.

Also, PPS programs with a PPC of .04+ are actually good. It is the rebills from revshare that boost the ones above that.

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Also, PPS programs with a PPC of .04+ are actually good. It is the rebills from revshare that boost the ones above that.
Why do you mix ppc and revshare on the same sponsor? Is it because you have very different traffic sources for that sponsor? What do you chose for your SE traffic?
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Thanks V-Rock for promoting us in the first place. The fact that you're happy with your results and the crazy rebills you mentionned makes my day.
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These stats are from Stats Remote.

I don't have time to break down this many programs stats any other way... Project took 30 minutes... Didn't want to make it an all day thing.
Yea I think for many then you are seeing join page ratios as stats remote is just picking up the stats they show.
Probably want to see which sponsors are counting how and mark those, otherwise you can have a really great ratio for a sponsor on there that in reality is worst.
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Another quality post from V_Rocks. Disappointed my program isn't on the list but hey, it appears you're quite busy. :-) Hope 2009 does great for you.

VIPimp, love your sig.
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We need more webmasters doing something like this.
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well vrocks I must say even though you can be a dick I knew you owned a ton of sites but becaue of this post i give you credit for being pretty smart! Good job!
0:21609 thats wild hahahaha wont be sending traffic there way so thanks for the stats, i will for sure be comparing this to jay's stats and keeping it in mind!
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Well I think i'll get my stats page ready as well for 2008... looks good and mine compare similar to yours V..
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Rage Cash with hahaha doing better than before he bought it?

... and everyone is complaining how hahaha destroys the programs he buys
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... and everyone is complaining how hahaha destroys the programs he buys
Both Rage Cash and Join Right Now started converting 2-3x better for me after being acquired and switched to NATS.

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Another quality post from V_Rocks. Disappointed my program isn't on the list but hey, it appears you're quite busy. :-) Hope 2009 does great for you.
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Both Rage Cash and Join Right Now started converting 2-3x better for me after being acquired and switched to NATS.
same with the one epic cash site i promote - but i think it's just due to nats and sales actually being tracked.
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Join Right Now... This is a program I tried pushing in 2006. I gave up. I might try it again.
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Props to V_Rocks for doing this....the only thing that sucks with these types of things is that sponsors who only count 2nd, 3rd, or join page hits get moved to the top.
This is why those sponsors do that, and it kind of sucks that they get rewarded for their shady-ness.
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Props to V_Rocks for doing this....the only thing that sucks with these types of things is that sponsors who only count 2nd, 3rd, or join page hits get moved to the top.
This is why those sponsors do that, and it kind of sucks that they get rewarded for their shady-ness.
To address that statement.

For the most part 95% of my sponsors use MPA/NATS/CCBILL stats. Yes the CCBILL's will be higher because they track everything...

But when you look at those numbers and you look at how much traffic I throw at the sponsors I can say, "Hmm.. Top Bucks and Naughty America are lower because they don't convert my traffic as well as the others do."

Looking at my traffic I can say things like:

Fuck You Cash should have converted better and I should have made more for the traffic. Primarily it is for 18yearsold.com and I often thought about sending the traffic to Pure18.com or a Teen Revenue all access pass page. But then Teen Revenue is one of those sponsors that doesn't count all of the clicks.

Between Rage Cash and Fuck You Cash the difference in money is over double in RC's favor. With less traffic. Both programs use NATS.

TCG and TR both use the 2nd page hits scheme. 12% difference in amount of traffic sent to both programs in TR's favor. 360% more money in TR's favor. 450% more signups though they cost less... But with rebills at 67% they blow away most PPS programs.
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