Crusade to shut down Cheating Traffic Brokers!!! - GoFuckYourself.com

SwirlsGirl · 01-27-2009, 08:16 PM

Well well well. It looks like the joke is on me. After years of buying traffic here there and everywhere, it seems as if I over looked one very small but critical feature of my PRIVATE tracking software......

AND NOW I AM MOTHER FUCKING PISSED!

Ok I took my chances after reading GFY posts about buying traffic being a scam, and if it was good why would they sell it,etc.

Very valid points over the years but since I purchased traffic from various places all at once it was hard to tell what was converting and what wasn't.

now being a tad bit wiser, and seeing all of the desperate anitcs being perpetrated by desperate people who run desperate companies, I feel like there are nothing but leaches and scam artists everywhere in this business.

There must be new and clever ways to cheat people being dreamed up 24/7

I was tracking 1000,s of clicks from two popular companies who GFY should be very familiar with, and I happen to notice clicks, but never paid attention to the "T.S." column of the tracking software log.

I smelled a rat a few weeks ago and phoned the owner of one traffic company, only to be reassured that he was honest and cared about clients and would never engage in deception.

The reason I called the owner of the company in the first place was because I purchased an ad spot with his company and was receiving clicks when my ad had not even shown up live on the site I purchased the ad from. More on that later.

Before I name names and call out these compaines I would ask that if anyone else is having questions about the integrity of the traffic they have purchased recently please feel free to contact me because if there are many others that are receiving THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of clicks but no increase in join form hits, or sign ups then it is clear that we must do everything in our power to shut these leaches and scamming fucks out of this business.

The first step is identifying the scammers and bumping beware threads all over the webmaster boards until they are forced to shut down, and try to re open under a different name and platform.

When I look at the precious business revenue I have spent on traffic over the years it makes me want to cry. We all know that google, and yahoo have had lawsuit after lawsuit filed regarding there involvement in click fraud, but I assert that there are many johnny come lately companies that have taken a page or two out of their(google,yahoo) books and are engaging in massive amounts of click fraud on a daily basis!

I think I have enough evidence if I post my tracking logs but I want to hear from others who may have similiar questions.

last thought... I have been in the business for 5 years, I know there are senior people in this business who will read the thread and say thats what you get Newb, or will simply brush it off like I am too smart to let it happen to me,etc.

If you are one of those arrogant high on the food chain 135,000 posts people please spare us your sarcasm and jokes. Its never funny being scammed out of your hard earned money.

This thread is for anyone who has been in the business for a short time ecspecially newbies and gullible types like myself who give too many sincere "sounding" people the benefit of the doubt.

I guess the tip off for me should have been when these companies list a site having 65% USA traffic 14% canadian traffic, then you go to alexa and find the site has

60% turkish traffic and 35 % Czech republic traffic, and 5% vietnamese traffic... you know who you are, and you should be ashamed.

Anyway enough ranting now, I am going back to my logs look this over a bit more just to be sure and I suggest in the mean time everyone who buys traffic from smiley faced brokers, go out and get you some reliable tracking software, and check your stats with a fine tooth comb.

more on this later

OverdueNudes · 01-27-2009, 08:19 PM

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tony286 · 01-27-2009, 08:22 PM

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WiredGuy · 01-27-2009, 08:26 PM

Alexa isn't a clear indication of traffic percentages mind you. You should use your own click tracking software to figure out what the percentages really are compared to what they claimed to be. If they claimed 65% USA and you bought the traffic, then you have a traffic log. Throw those logs against MaxMind's GeoIP database and see for yourself if its what they claimed.
WG

collegeboobies · 01-27-2009, 08:28 PM

whats the short version

Si · 01-27-2009, 08:45 PM

Is there a cliff note?

woj · 01-27-2009, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobilefun1987

Is there a cliff note?

yea, some newb is bitching about not making money with bought traffic...

jk

SwirlsGirl · 01-27-2009, 09:09 PM

what can I say, sorry for rambling, sometimes gfy is good therapy. Get all your concerns out, express your dissatisfaction, try to warn others, sometimes people take you seriously, someitmes they leave a one line smart comment to increase their sig exposure.

Hey I am not mad at you, I am mad at the traffic cheaters.

After Shock Media · 01-27-2009, 09:10 PM

I really did try to read the whole thing, twice.

At most I gather that the traffic was not all from the country promised? Yet something about traffic from a site when the ad was not yet up.

Also I saw the word converting tossed in, so I guess this is not about purchased feeder traffic and ad/text click traffic?

bloggingseo · 01-27-2009, 09:12 PM

i am curious for sure

SomeCreep · 01-27-2009, 09:15 PM

Check yo' self before you wreck yo' self.

Supz · 01-27-2009, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I really did try to read the whole thing, twice.

At most I gather that the traffic was not all from the country promised? Yet something about traffic from a site when the ad was not yet up.

Also I saw the word converting tossed in, so I guess this is not about purchased feeder traffic and ad/text click traffic?

I think he is saying

A. How can he be getting hits from a site he doesn't even have a ad on (cheating)
B. They say the traffic comes from a certain place that it doesn't (cheating)
C. When traffic is coming and people aren't clicking around the site, it might not be real people (cheating)

this is what i got out of it

dav3 · 01-27-2009, 09:24 PM

bump for you

dial · 01-27-2009, 09:30 PM

thats what you get Newb

jmcb420 · 01-27-2009, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Ok I took my chances after reading GFY posts about buying traffic being a scam, and if it was good why would they sell it,etc.

Ok, think about it. If I have traffic that I know converts, do you think I'm going to sell it to you? NO. not on your life. I'm gonna convert that shit and cash my checks. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

That said, bought traffic CAN convert, you just have to be damn good, and so does that traffic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

This thread is for anyone who has been in the business for a short time ecspecially newbies and gullible types like myself who give too many sincere "sounding" people the benefit of the doubt.

Then do all those n00bs a favor so they dont get screwed too, post your logs and tell em' where you bought the traffic from. Then take some time and think up or learn other ways to cultivate a traffic source.

I dont buy traffic, so I have zero vested interest in this, but I have (in the past) been pushing programs that have done some real shady shit to their customers or their affiliates, and I know what its like to get the screw. If you can back it up, spill the beans. You should look at it as your duty. (I've been watching war movies all day)

Barefootsies · 01-27-2009, 10:50 PM

Go get em tiger.

I'll bust out some popcorn.

2012 · 01-27-2009, 11:03 PM

I read all that shit and you say "more on this later" ?

spill the beans

.
I hate when you buy a bunch of traffic and it's primo. Then you buy some more and it seems like you got the old switcharoo

Iron Fist · 01-27-2009, 11:15 PM

So.... who are we talking about here again? I can fucking GUARANTEE YOU that there is no way the spots in my sig are fake... you can fucking check the sites yourself to see your ad running THE MICROSECOND you update with a new banner, or text link.

I'm actually starting to round up the numbers for tax season once again, and a few places I won't buy traffic from because their accounting stats are just horseshit. TrafficAdept is one of them - I know I bought traffic from them, but if you delete anything, it's gone which is why I won't be buying from them until they fix that neat little feature.

And no, I don't want to email or ICQ any kind of support for this information - I want it NOW and ready to view at a moments notice, your an advertiser... people buy your services for a tax break to begin with, I can't believe some of these guys don't have the foresight to think of this when setting up shop. Nothing personal, just business.

TeenCat · 01-27-2009, 11:16 PM

do not buy, do not trade ... you dont need to have 500k daily as big whales if you have good seo traffic

buying traffic is good for start so your site is listed in search engines as site with daily hits, but feeding site daily is only for those who want to send the, mostly, shit to the others ...

fallenmuffin · 01-27-2009, 11:16 PM

Sara, sorry to hear about that. However your niche, which is also the niche I work in, needs to be organic traffic. No one sells what we really need. Small numbers out perform high volume time and time again.

If there is anything to bitch about it would be that I push your site through CCBill but you offer 3 other payment processors on the join page that I don't get credited for... :/ *sigh*

2012 · 01-27-2009, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

If there is anything to bitch about it would be that I push your site through CCBill but you offer 3 other payment processors on the join page that I don't get credited for... :/ *sigh*

don't you just love that. I like when you get emails with FHG's for these types of sites. It's like a big "fuck you idiot" in your inbox ....

SwirlsGirl · 01-27-2009, 11:52 PM

Hey FallenMuffin I know you push my site, and we value your traffic and partnership, however let me correct you.... your traffic goes to a join page where it is processed thru ccbill only. Please take a second and double check. Would be nice if you came back and corrected that for me.

fallenmuffin · 01-27-2009, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Hey FallenMuffin I know you push my site, and we value your traffic and partnership, however let me correct you.... your traffic goes to a join page where it is processed thru ccbill only. Please take a second and double check. Would be nice if you came back and corrected that for me.

You are correct

Sorry, I swear the other day I saw options for Zombaio and a few others. But it is direct to the CCBill signup now.

For those not reading.. I was wrong.

SwirlsGirl · 01-28-2009, 12:11 AM

Hey also I know that any traffic broker can say "hey we don't guarantee conversions, we just gurantee clicks" and I guess legally and ethically they can deliver 35,000 clicks
and say they have done nothing wrong.

As an ad buyer you are expecting your ad to bring in some conversions but thats going to be hard to achieve when according to your tracking software 99% of the clicks you purchased see your site for literally a fraction of a fraction of a second if at all.

Thats basically my point. The software shows where the clicks come from and how much time they spend on various pages. Somehow 1000's of clicks are being generated.

It takes at least a second or two for a page to fully load. So if they were real visitors as the ad companies would have you believe then you should see at least 2-3 seconds of "time spent" per page per unique visitor.

If you are seeing 10,000 clicks with 0 time spent on the landing page then surely questions begin to enter the mind.

SwirlsGirl · 01-28-2009, 12:15 AM

Hey FallenMuffen thanks for coming back but our affiliate tour was improved at least 6 months ago. Not the other day. I appreciate you coming back though.

01-27-2009, 08:16 PM	#1
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	Crusade to shut down Cheating Traffic Brokers!!! Well well well. It looks like the joke is on me. After years of buying traffic here there and everywhere, it seems as if I over looked one very small but critical feature of my PRIVATE tracking software...... AND NOW I AM MOTHER FUCKING PISSED! Ok I took my chances after reading GFY posts about buying traffic being a scam, and if it was good why would they sell it,etc. Very valid points over the years but since I purchased traffic from various places all at once it was hard to tell what was converting and what wasn't. now being a tad bit wiser, and seeing all of the desperate anitcs being perpetrated by desperate people who run desperate companies, I feel like there are nothing but leaches and scam artists everywhere in this business. There must be new and clever ways to cheat people being dreamed up 24/7 I was tracking 1000,s of clicks from two popular companies who GFY should be very familiar with, and I happen to notice clicks, but never paid attention to the "T.S." column of the tracking software log. I smelled a rat a few weeks ago and phoned the owner of one traffic company, only to be reassured that he was honest and cared about clients and would never engage in deception. The reason I called the owner of the company in the first place was because I purchased an ad spot with his company and was receiving clicks when my ad had not even shown up live on the site I purchased the ad from. More on that later. Before I name names and call out these compaines I would ask that if anyone else is having questions about the integrity of the traffic they have purchased recently please feel free to contact me because if there are many others that are receiving THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of clicks but no increase in join form hits, or sign ups then it is clear that we must do everything in our power to shut these leaches and scamming fucks out of this business. The first step is identifying the scammers and bumping beware threads all over the webmaster boards until they are forced to shut down, and try to re open under a different name and platform. When I look at the precious business revenue I have spent on traffic over the years it makes me want to cry. We all know that google, and yahoo have had lawsuit after lawsuit filed regarding there involvement in click fraud, but I assert that there are many johnny come lately companies that have taken a page or two out of their(google,yahoo) books and are engaging in massive amounts of click fraud on a daily basis! I think I have enough evidence if I post my tracking logs but I want to hear from others who may have similiar questions. last thought... I have been in the business for 5 years, I know there are senior people in this business who will read the thread and say thats what you get Newb, or will simply brush it off like I am too smart to let it happen to me,etc. If you are one of those arrogant high on the food chain 135,000 posts people please spare us your sarcasm and jokes. Its never funny being scammed out of your hard earned money. This thread is for anyone who has been in the business for a short time ecspecially newbies and gullible types like myself who give too many sincere "sounding" people the benefit of the doubt. I guess the tip off for me should have been when these companies list a site having 65% USA traffic 14% canadian traffic, then you go to alexa and find the site has 60% turkish traffic and 35 % Czech republic traffic, and 5% vietnamese traffic... you know who you are, and you should be ashamed. Anyway enough ranting now, I am going back to my logs look this over a bit more just to be sure and I suggest in the mean time everyone who buys traffic from smiley faced brokers, go out and get you some reliable tracking software, and check your stats with a fine tooth comb. more on this later

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01-27-2009, 08:26 PM	#5
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,451	Alexa isn't a clear indication of traffic percentages mind you. You should use your own click tracking software to figure out what the percentages really are compared to what they claimed to be. If they claimed 65% USA and you bought the traffic, then you have a traffic log. Throw those logs against MaxMind's GeoIP database and see for yourself if its what they claimed. WG __________________ I play with Google.

01-27-2009, 09:10 PM	#10
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01-27-2009, 08:22 PM	#4
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01-27-2009, 08:28 PM	#6
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01-27-2009, 08:45 PM	#7
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01-27-2009, 09:09 PM	#9
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	what can I say, sorry for rambling, sometimes gfy is good therapy. Get all your concerns out, express your dissatisfaction, try to warn others, sometimes people take you seriously, someitmes they leave a one line smart comment to increase their sig exposure. Hey I am not mad at you, I am mad at the traffic cheaters.

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01-27-2009, 11:15 PM	#19
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	So.... who are we talking about here again? I can fucking GUARANTEE YOU that there is no way the spots in my sig are fake... you can fucking check the sites yourself to see your ad running THE MICROSECOND you update with a new banner, or text link. I'm actually starting to round up the numbers for tax season once again, and a few places I won't buy traffic from because their accounting stats are just horseshit. TrafficAdept is one of them - I know I bought traffic from them, but if you delete anything, it's gone which is why I won't be buying from them until they fix that neat little feature. And no, I don't want to email or ICQ any kind of support for this information - I want it NOW and ready to view at a moments notice, your an advertiser... people buy your services for a tax break to begin with, I can't believe some of these guys don't have the foresight to think of this when setting up shop. Nothing personal, just business. __________________ i like waffles

01-27-2009, 11:16 PM	#20
TeenCat Too lazy to set a koala Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CZ/EU forever! Posts: 16,139	do not buy, do not trade ... you dont need to have 500k daily as big whales if you have good seo traffic buying traffic is good for start so your site is listed in search engines as site with daily hits, but feeding site daily is only for those who want to send the, mostly, shit to the others ... __________________ 6bot / Coming again very soon! Svit Zlin Radio 24/7!

01-27-2009, 11:16 PM	#21
fallenmuffin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,170	Sara, sorry to hear about that. However your niche, which is also the niche I work in, needs to be organic traffic. No one sells what we really need. Small numbers out perform high volume time and time again. If there is anything to bitch about it would be that I push your site through CCBill but you offer 3 other payment processors on the join page that I don't get credited for... :/ sigh

01-27-2009, 11:52 PM	#23
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	Hey FallenMuffin I know you push my site, and we value your traffic and partnership, however let me correct you.... your traffic goes to a join page where it is processed thru ccbill only. Please take a second and double check. Would be nice if you came back and corrected that for me.

01-28-2009, 12:11 AM	#25
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	Hey also I know that any traffic broker can say "hey we don't guarantee conversions, we just gurantee clicks" and I guess legally and ethically they can deliver 35,000 clicks and say they have done nothing wrong. As an ad buyer you are expecting your ad to bring in some conversions but thats going to be hard to achieve when according to your tracking software 99% of the clicks you purchased see your site for literally a fraction of a fraction of a second if at all. Thats basically my point. The software shows where the clicks come from and how much time they spend on various pages. Somehow 1000's of clicks are being generated. It takes at least a second or two for a page to fully load. So if they were real visitors as the ad companies would have you believe then you should see at least 2-3 seconds of "time spent" per page per unique visitor. If you are seeing 10,000 clicks with 0 time spent on the landing page then surely questions begin to enter the mind.

01-28-2009, 12:15 AM	#26
SwirlsGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: between east coast and vegas Posts: 2,067	Hey FallenMuffen thanks for coming back but our affiliate tour was improved at least 6 months ago. Not the other day. I appreciate you coming back though.