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Davy · 02-03-2009, 12:16 PM

There are print-on-demand services that let you publish your book in a very low volume.
You don't need editors in the era of web 2.0.

WebairGerard · 02-03-2009, 12:24 PM

good post Kane. good luck with the book!

Antonio · 02-03-2009, 01:13 PM

wrote one last year, sold 9000 copies on GFY alone

pornguy · 02-03-2009, 01:16 PM

Sadly the next Great America Novel will be sent back as not worth it..

DONT SEND TO COMPANIES that want you to pay a reading fee.

kane · 02-03-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RedShoe

RRRED,

I worked on a book called "Heverly" I shot 17 of the 22 images for the book. It was a children's book written by an ex-ex-boss when I was still in FX. I was pretty much with him since the beginning.

People are telling you to write the book first, blah blah blah... bullshit.

What my boss did was shot the cover picture (it's an elf riding on the back of a dragon fly) The dragonfly was like 18" long, but you're supposed to think it's a regular dragonfly... whatever, you get the idea.

Ok, so he shot the cover image, and wrote a few chapters of the story. He opened it with a little bit of a back story that was intended for the publisher to get an understanding of the story, then he kicks in with the 'sample chapters' the whole thing was like 4 or 5 pages, and he had that bound with a cheap plastic spiral binding from kinkos of all places.

It didn't matter, he knew that once they saw the imagery and the writing they'd either buy it or not. They knew they cover and the binding and all the half-assed shit was just to give the publisher an idea of what it was going to look like. It was just a mock-up.

So he sent it out to a few publishers, and sure enough one picked it up and bought the rights to distribute.

Since he wasn't sure if anyone would buy he didn't invest any $$$ into creating the other scenes. Once it was purchased, we built all these bad ass sets, and I was able to shoot some really cool imagery for it. He and I both pulled all nighters working on photoshop to really make it a cool little book.

His main problems.
1) he wasn't willing to go out an promote it.
2) he didn't know his target audience. The subject matter is geared towards a young adult, but the imagery is more for younger kids. And even though there are 22 images in the book, it's pretty text heavy for little kids. So he kinda missed the target audience.

The publishers set him up with a co-writter to help target the audience, he refused their offer. Also, the editors were able to coach him along in the writting.

So before you go off and write a whole fucking book, send out the storyline with some sample chapters of your writing to as many publishers as you can. No one is going to read the whole book anyway. They just want to see if the book is saleable, and if it is, they'll buy it.

Think of it as promoting a site that's not 100% ready. You put a girl out there to see if anyone bites. If they do, you move forward with a full launch. If not, you find another girl and move on.

If you are writing specific non-fiction, trade books or kids books this is true. If you are writing a novel nobody will waste their time with you unless you either have a track record of sales or a finished book. You can self publish or you might be able to find a small publisher that will work with you if you just write a couple of chapters but without an agent you will not have access to any major publisher and those agents won't sign you without seeing a completed work.

But, like I said, if you are writing for a small market, certain types of non-fiction or short kid's books you can get started without an agent or a finished product.

kane · 02-03-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Sadly the next Great America Novel will be sent back as not worth it..

DONT SEND TO COMPANIES that want you to pay a reading fee.

Yep, this is true. If they are legit they will read it for free.

RRRED · 02-03-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

wrote one last year, sold 9000 copies on GFY alone

LOL!! I love it.

justinsain · 02-03-2009, 05:15 PM

Lots of great advice in here

I'd like to know what's the legality of writing a book about real people and their real events and involving them in fictional events.

SDSimon · 02-03-2009, 05:55 PM

Hi RRRED

"Winners WIN because they NEVER GIVE UP!"

Need I say more?

Hugs a bunch sweetheart

RRRED · 02-03-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SDSimon

Hi RRRED

"Winners WIN because they NEVER GIVE UP!"

Need I say more?

Hugs a bunch sweetheart

The greatest treat of this thread. You made me well up for a sec there. It is amazing and wonderful to see you. I hope life is treating you good.

Wow talk about a blast from the past. I have repeated your quote to my kids for the past 10 years at least. I wonder how many other webmasters have passed on your widsom.

SDSimon · 02-04-2009, 01:35 PM

Hi RRRED

Life is treating me very well, thanks for asking. I have made it through two heart attacks and was able to do internet work while I was still in the Hospital.

What a great job this has been for me.

Looks like you are doing well. This makes me feel even better.

>>>Winners WIN because they NEVER GIVE UP!<<<

Hugs a bunch Love

RRRED · 02-04-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SDSimon

Hi RRRED

Life is treating me very well, thanks for asking. I have made it through two heart attacks and was able to do internet work while I was still in the Hospital.

What a great job this has been for me.

Looks like you are doing well. This makes me feel even better.

>>>Winners WIN because they NEVER GIVE UP!<<<

Hugs a bunch Love

Wow, two heart attacks??? And in the hospital doing work. Funny. The lengths we go, eh? Holy cow that must've been scary. My daughters dad had a pretty dangerous time this summer with his open heart surgery. Only 37 years old. It was sad.

Your heart gonna do ok? Take very very good care of yourself. That is your battery, you know!

02-03-2009, 12:16 PM	#51
Davy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,323	There are print-on-demand services that let you publish your book in a very low volume. You don't need editors in the era of web 2.0. __________________ --- ICQ 14-76-98 <-- I don't use this at all

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WebairGerard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 8,113	good post Kane. good luck with the book! __________________

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justinsain Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,374	Lots of great advice in here I'd like to know what's the legality of writing a book about real people and their real events and involving them in fictional events.

02-03-2009, 05:55 PM	#59
SDSimon Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Calif. USA Posts: 140	Hi RRRED "Winners WIN because they NEVER GIVE UP!" Need I say more? Hugs a bunch sweetheart

02-04-2009, 01:35 PM	#61
SDSimon Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Calif. USA Posts: 140	Hi RRRED Life is treating me very well, thanks for asking. I have made it through two heart attacks and was able to do internet work while I was still in the Hospital. What a great job this has been for me. Looks like you are doing well. This makes me feel even better. >>>Winners WIN because they NEVER GIVE UP!<<< Hugs a bunch Love