what Tube sites are showing way to much free porn? & what sponsors are paying them

[RogerV]

what Tube sites are showing way to much free porn? & what sponsors are paying them keeping them in biz. Is it a select few?

[RogerV]

I can see cam sites and dating sites staying strong is this pretty much the future of porn. the gateway to cams and dating.

I know every sponsor thinks they have the miracle pussy to keep customers happy but
I think it has to do with there billing practices more which always comes to an end.
after burning through merchant accounts whats next?

[WarChild]

You really are starting to sound like a broken record.

I understand you have good intentions, unfortunately for you, not everyone agrees with your analysis of the situation. Further, companies like Brazzers who have both the huge tube traffic and their own sponsor program to support it will never fall under your jurisdiction. That is to say, there's nothing you can really do at this point to change how they see things.

So by all means, get together a small handfull of people, a coalition of the willing if you you will. Watch what happens to them when they decided as a group they're only going to market with no more than 20 seconds of free content, as an example.

Good luck!

[Don Pueblo]

you're starting to sound desperate roger. get off the boards man.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by Don Pueblo

you're starting to sound desperate roger. get off the boards man.

Please. I still make 6 figures a month I'm fine.. but Ive been doing this for 12 years and the future looks bleek which concerns me. if yhis is all you have to offer in my thread move on

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You really are starting to sound like a broken record.

I understand you have good intentions, unfortunately for you, not everyone agrees with your analysis of the situation. Further, companies like Brazzers who have both the huge tube traffic and their own sponsor program to support it will never fall under your jurisdiction. That is to say, there's nothing you can really do at this point to change how they see things.

So by all means, get together a small handfull of people, a coalition of the willing if you you will. Watch what happens to them when they decided as a group they're only going to market with no more than 20 seconds of free content, as an example.

Good luck!

do you reall think the web generation is going to continue to pay? the next generation and many now never will.
they might be doing well right now getting newbies but not savvy surfers..

just seems the future is all dating and cams.

I know it wont change thats why I changed my model as well. I just hate to see this business bust like everything else. maybe thats what it needs though

[datatank]

Originally Posted by RogerV

Please. I still make 6 figures a month I'm fine.. but Ive been doing this for 12 years and the future looks bleek which concerns me. if yhis is all you have to offer in my thread move on

pornpushers nets you $100k a month?

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by datatank

pornpushers nets you $100k a month?

actually more

the biz op sites are making that much alone

[tony286]

it is a major problem you are right but as long as these people are embraced by the big fish in this industry it will never change.They dont have to.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by tony404

it is a major problem you are right but as long as these people are embraced by the big fish in this industry it will never change.They dont have to.

I have no problem with the big fish that chages all the time. its that Porn is becoming the gateway to cams and dating which is BS

those that have tubes to promote there own stuff is fine

I just think there is way to much free shit that doesnt tease surfers its easy to blow a load on any of the big free sites. I think the hardcore stuff should be censored

[datatank]

Originally Posted by RogerV

actually more

the biz op sites are making that much alone

Lets see an epoch screen shot

[Jens Van Assterdam]

All you "complainers" do is talking theory and saying the same old shit over and over again you have heard somewhere.
I mean if you dont run one.. from where should you know better, right?

what Tube sites are showing way to much free porn? & what sponsors are paying them keeping them in biz. Is it a select few?

You havent been to a brovention lately, have you?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by RogerV

do you reall think the web generation is going to continue to pay? the next generation and many now never will.

Yep. They will.

Keep in mind that we used to have over 2 million unique visitors a day between AL4A, Grampland, Ampland, and ShavedGoat. Granted, it's not giving away entire members areas...but we used to hear how we were teaching people not to buy because they could get off watching all the free porn.

Thing is...all that traffic is now at the tubes, killed our traffic in TGP's. But the dirty little secret is that 90% of that traffic is teenage boys. They are jerking furiously to free porn.

But just like they did for the last 12 years on the tgps that I've been involved in...eventually they all turn 18. And then eventually they all start making money. And then they get that bank debit card. And then they want to "move up".

They want to see what's so special behind the velvet rope. There's always gonna be a percentage of people who won't buy. But there's also always gonna be a lot of people who want it all.

When I go out to a restaraunt I want the best table. When I go to a concert it has to be the best seats in the house. When I go to a show I'm in the VIP. I LIKE spending my money on good things. And so do a lot of others.

I think we're going to be just fine once the dust settles.

I see affiliates like me with my TGP's having a rough time.

But at the same time with my paysite...I see sales going up. And affiliates sending me LESS. So it's more type-ins.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by datatank

Lets see an epoch screen shot

I'm not here to brag but if you want Lets make a bet and you can call ccbill with me?
I dont even have to show my epoch to you lol

I'm not going to show all my biz online or to anyone but I will show just one of my sites income to you personally then have ccbill confirm.

what do you want to bet.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

All you "complainers" do is talking theory and saying the same old shit over and over again you have heard somewhere.
I mean if you dont run one.. from where should you know better, right?

what Tube sites are showing way to much free porn? & what sponsors are paying them keeping them in biz. Is it a select few?

You havent been to a brovention lately, have you?

It doesnt take rocket science to understand supply and demand.

just ask any one of your friends where they go to jack off.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yep. They will.

Keep in mind that we used to have over 2 million unique visitors a day between AL4A, Grampland, Ampland, and ShavedGoat. Granted, it's not giving away entire members areas...but we used to hear how we were teaching people not to buy because they could get off watching all the free porn.

Thing is...all that traffic is now at the tubes, killed our traffic in TGP's. But the dirty little secret is that 90% of that traffic is teenage boys. They are jerking furiously to free porn.

But just like they did for the last 12 years on the tgps that I've been involved in...eventually they all turn 18. And then eventually they all start making money. And then they get that bank debit card. And then they want to "move up".

They want to see what's so special behind the velvet rope. There's always gonna be a percentage of people who won't buy. But there's also always gonna be a lot of people who want it all.

When I go out to a restaraunt I want the best table. When I go to a concert it has to be the best seats in the house. When I go to a show I'm in the VIP. I LIKE spending my money on good things. And so do a lot of others.

I think we're going to be just fine once the dust settles.

I see affiliates like me with my TGP's having a rough time.

But at the same time with my paysite...I see sales going up. And affiliates sending me LESS. So it's more type-ins.

your talking about the past when most were new to the net. times have changed they know whats behind the velvet rope. and its all free so whats to pay for.
I know I'm wasting my time I'm just bored and was hoping to brainstorm. but I see most just except whats delt to them

[Jens Van Assterdam]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yep. They will.

Keep in mind that we used to have over 2 million unique visitors a day between AL4A, Grampland, Ampland, and ShavedGoat. Granted, it's not giving away entire members areas...but we used to hear how we were teaching people not to buy because they could get off watching all the free porn.

Thing is...all that traffic is now at the tubes, killed our traffic in TGP's. But the dirty little secret is that 90% of that traffic is teenage boys. They are jerking furiously to free porn.

But just like they did for the last 12 years on the tgps that I've been involved in...eventually they all turn 18. And then eventually they all start making money. And then they get that bank debit card. And then they want to "move up".

They want to see what's so special behind the velvet rope. There's always gonna be a percentage of people who won't buy. But there's also always gonna be a lot of people who want it all.

When I go out to a restaraunt I want the best table. When I go to a concert it has to be the best seats in the house. When I go to a show I'm in the VIP. I LIKE spending my money on good things. And so do a lot of others.

I think we're going to be just fine once the dust settles.

I see affiliates like me with my TGP's having a rough time.

But at the same time with my paysite...I see sales going up. And affiliates sending me LESS. So it's more type-ins.

PERIOD.
You nailed it once again..

[datatank]

Originally Posted by RogerV

I'm not here to brag but if you want Lets make a bet and you can call ccbill with me?
I dont even have to show my epoch to you lol

I'm not going to show all my biz online or to anyone but I will show just one of my sites income to you personally then have ccbill confirm.

what do you want to bet.

No need to bet if you are making 100k NET just from your new sites congrats.

[cognitos]

I can go to the Salvation Army and have a free dinner -- or I can go to a very nice steak house and buy an excellent dinner.

People are natural consumers. Spending money is the reason people earn money.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by datatank

No need to bet if you are making 100k NET just from your new sites congrats.

Thats the only thing that saved my ass to be honest. But I saw it coming thats why I changed focus a few years ago. now all my traffic is inhouse. I dont need webmasters right now. unless they want to make more money but either way I'm fine.

the pie has way to many slices in it from when i started.

my next venture which everyone will know about in a few months will make 7 figs easy.
but its mainstream and never been done before

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by cognitos

I can go to the Salvation Army and have a free dinner -- or I can go to a very nice steak house and buy an excellent dinner.

People are natural consumers. Spending money is the reason people earn money.

you call tube sites salvation army lol.. its the same menu

show me a hot chick I have to pay for and I'll show you her or a hotter chick I can bust a load on for free

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by RogerV

you call tube sites salvation army lol.. its the same menu

show me a hot chick I have to pay for and I'll show you her or a hotter chick I can bust a load on for free

just spanked it on pornhub for free it was like a juicy steak I ate the other day

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by RogerV

your talking about the past when most were new to the net. times have changed they know whats behind the velvet rope. and its all free so whats to pay for.
I know I'm wasting my time I'm just bored and was hoping to brainstorm. but I see most just except whats delt to them

I'm not accepting what's dealt to me in anyway at all. Not my style, I'm a man of action. I have made numerous posts telling everyone that I did something about it by securing my content. Now I'm beginning to release stuff to tubes on my OWN terms. They can't steal it anymore and just do as they will.

As far as the "past" goes...yes, certain SPECIFIC things change with time. But the main concepts of entertainment and human nature are always the same. Whether it's now, 8 years ago, last week, or a thousand years ago.

People want to get behing that velvet rope. I have a sologirl site that is exclusive content. It has a big audience and a popular niche. I never have to worry about what I have behind the velvet rope.

Now, a big mega site using bought content that features the same old girls from L.A. that are on every other site? They got big problems. Nothing that can't be fixed...but their entire members areas really are all over the tubes.

So yes, I DO have something behind the rope that they can't get at a tube. Exclusive content, site member interaction, a big tit slut, and the human pyschology of the "fan" when it comes to a solo girl (much like fans of bands or sports teams).

And that is the key.

You spoke of jerking off for free on a tube and it being just like a big juicy steak.

I disagree. It's more like McDonalds. Billions served. But when a paysite is special and offers something unique...THEN it's fine dining.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm not accepting what's dealt to me in anyway at all. Not my style, I'm a man of action. I have made numerous posts telling everyone that I did something about it by securing my content. Now I'm beginning to release stuff to tubes on my OWN terms. They can't steal it anymore and just do as they will.

As far as the "past" goes...yes, certain SPECIFIC things change with time. But the main concepts of entertainment and human nature are always the same. Whether it's now, 8 years ago, last week, or a thousand years ago.

People want to get behing that velvet rope. I have a sologirl site that is exclusive content. It has a big audience and a popular niche. I never have to worry about what I have behind the velvet rope.

Now, a big mega site using bought content that features the same old girls from L.A. that are on every other site? They got big problems. Nothing that can't be fixed...but their entire members areas really are all over the tubes.

So yes, I DO have something behind the rope that they can't get at a tube. Exclusive content, site member interaction, a big tit slut, and the human pyschology of the "fan" when it comes to a solo girl (much like fans of bands or sports teams).

And that is the key.

You spoke of jerking off for free on a tube and it being just like a big juicy steak.

I disagree. It's more like McDonalds. Billions served. But when a paysite is special and offers something unique...THEN it's fine dining.

More power to you and congrats on having a solo girl that is producing for you. I bet if the free hardcore wasnt out there you would have many more sales though.

at the end of the day a burger and fine dining has the same affect. I get full and satisfied then take a big shit and do it all over again. the problem is now people dont have the money for fine dining and the burgers are almost free

[cognitos]

Originally Posted by RogerV

people dont have the money for fine dining and the burgers are almost free

So a theoretical high-end steak house is going to go out of business because McDonalds sells 99c cheese burgers?

The only reason the a flight from New York to London is so cheap in economy, is because the first and business class has subsidized the economy passengers. The airlines give away seats in economy at a loss, because they have made their money on the people up front.

[Robbie]

Well let me ask you this Roger...isn't Get Rich In Porn sort of the same concept as Deluxe Pass and Porn Access?

Using licensed studio content to allow a webmaster to build sites and market them and then splitting the revenue.

At least that's kinda what it looks like to me.

That's one of the "specific" things that change.

For instance, I was making around 25 grand a month off of my Deluxe Pass site THE AMP FILES up until a couple of years ago. Same with my Porn Access site.

But now all that DVD stuff is everywhere for free. So now my Deluxe Pass site made me $495 last month!

Keep in mind that one Deluxe Pass site has made me $794,483.29 over the last few years. But now? The rebills are falling away quick and the new sales are non-existant.

That particular model is dead thanks to the tubes. And that really pissed me off. That was a nice chunk of change every month. But that doesn't mean people aren't still gonna buy porn.

They just aren't gonna buy the same stuff that they CAN get for free.

It was hard and took a lot of work and a lot of swallowing my pride to go from being The Man in traffic just a few years ago...to now being so small that I don't even get invites to the dinners anymore. But you know what? I'm making more money now than I did then. And I intend on finding ways no matter what to continue.

Just because one door shuts, doesn't mean a dozen more aren't opening. I'm telling you, human nature is what it is. If shit is free they will take it. Hell, I like free shit too. BUT, I also like the good things and I'm more than willing to pay for them. So are the majority of people. Always have and always will.

My feeling is that since you are still doing well financially...now is the time to take it another direction. That way the old biz model can keep you in the money while you build the new revenue stream.

You said earlier you were doing that in mainstream. I wish you better luck than I had. I did all of that with several "can't miss" projects a few years back. No money.

But, as you know, there is a lot of money to be made here. There are people doing it right now. They may not post on GFY, but as hard as it is to believe...not everybody does. And a lot of the bigger players WON'T because of all the trolling and fighting and people making threads trying to ruin people's businesses.

Keep in this game Roger. You obviously were smart enough and quick enough to be very successful at this game. Do it again.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by cognitos

So a theoretical high-end steak house is going to go out of business because McDonalds sells 99c cheese burgers?

The only reason the a flight from New York to London is so cheap in economy, is because the first and business class has subsidized the economy passengers. The airlines give away seats in economy at a loss, because they have made their money on the people up front.

do some research http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._/ai_101657485

Uhmm yes watch how the fine dining restaurants start going out of biz they are all stuggling right now. same with the airlines they are the first to feel the economy slump.

even strippers are making less money.

[notoldschool]

There are a few tubes that are far better than any paysite out there.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

There are a few tubes that are far better than any paysite out there.

now that is very sad. I'm sure its easy to do when they steal content from everyone

[Rorschach]

One of the main problems is that the vast majority or paysites are absolutely shit, and too expensive or use deceptive billing practices.

Of course a small proportion of people will always purchase premium content, but soon porn will be completely commodified. The effect will trickle down into the smaller sub-niches and soon almost everyone will be able to find their particular vice and jerk off for free.

On the flip side, porn traffic overall is only going up and we are training a whole generation of kids to be porn-addicted wankers... When you've got the eyeballs, you can always sell them something.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Well let me ask you this Roger...isn't Get Rich In Porn sort of the same concept as Deluxe Pass and Porn Access?

Using licensed studio content to allow a webmaster to build sites and market them and then splitting the revenue.

At least that's kinda what it looks like to me.

That's one of the "specific" things that change.

For instance, I was making around 25 grand a month off of my Deluxe Pass site THE AMP FILES up until a couple of years ago. Same with my Porn Access site.

But now all that DVD stuff is everywhere for free. So now my Deluxe Pass site made me $495 last month!

Keep in mind that one Deluxe Pass site has made me $794,483.29 over the last few years. But now? The rebills are falling away quick and the new sales are non-existant.

That particular model is dead thanks to the tubes. And that really pissed me off. That was a nice chunk of change every month. But that doesn't mean people aren't still gonna buy porn.

They just aren't gonna buy the same stuff that they CAN get for free.

It was hard and took a lot of work and a lot of swallowing my pride to go from being The Man in traffic just a few years ago...to now being so small that I don't even get invites to the dinners anymore. But you know what? I'm making more money now than I did then. And I intend on finding ways no matter what to continue.

Just because one door shuts, doesn't mean a dozen more aren't opening. I'm telling you, human nature is what it is. If shit is free they will take it. Hell, I like free shit too. BUT, I also like the good things and I'm more than willing to pay for them. So are the majority of people. Always have and always will.

My feeling is that since you are still doing well financially...now is the time to take it another direction. That way the old biz model can keep you in the money while you build the new revenue stream.

You said earlier you were doing that in mainstream. I wish you better luck than I had. I did all of that with several "can't miss" projects a few years back. No money.

But, as you know, there is a lot of money to be made here. There are people doing it right now. They may not post on GFY, but as hard as it is to believe...not everybody does. And a lot of the bigger players WON'T because of all the trolling and fighting and people making threads trying to ruin people's businesses.

Keep in this game Roger. You obviously were smart enough and quick enough to be very successful at this game. Do it again.

GetRichInPorn is nothing like those sites.. we supply a full turnkey Porn biz with sites,tools,banners etc. to our customers using our own content.
Its a full turnkey Porn business..

But I understand and thats why I made the changes. You will prosper cause you understand the industry and traffic. Its just sad when Porn which makes it all happen is the bottom feeder now compared to dating and cam sites.

I think the currant model of traffic generation is completely flawed to continue. but we shall see.

[Fletch XXX]

free porn is gonna kill us, its gonna kill us!

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by Rorschach

One of the main problems is that the vast majority or paysites are absolutely shit, and too expensive or use deceptive billing practices.

Of course a small proportion of people will always purchase premium content, but soon porn will be completely commodified. The effect will trickle down into the smaller sub-niches and soon almost everyone will be able to find their particular vice and jerk off for free.

On the flip side, porn traffic overall is only going up and we are training a whole generation of kids to be porn-addicted wankers... When you've got the eyeballs, you can always sell them something.

I totally agree.. but what do we sell them thats converts on impulse and human desire

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

free porn is gonna kill us, its gonna kill us!

great domain. I'm surprised its not a tube..

[CyberHustler]

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by RogerV

converts on impulse and human desire

I call that the "Friday night at 2 a.m. and I'm drunk, horny, and lonely" sale. And hopefully they will wake up the next morning and just forget they ever bought the damn membership while they were drunk and then rebill for a couple of years until their expiration date changes on the card.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by RogerV

I can see cam sites and dating sites staying strong is this pretty much the future of porn. the gateway to cams and dating.

I know every sponsor thinks they have the miracle pussy to keep customers happy but
I think it has to do with there billing practices more which always comes to an end.
after burning through merchant accounts whats next?

you do know there are now free adult cam sites out there now days.

[pornguy]

Tube Sites will NOT BE THE DEATH OF PAY SITES. Lack of innovation and lack of multiple sources of traffic will.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by crockett

you do know there are now free adult cam sites out there now days.

really how is that possible. doesnt the model need to get paid

[seeric]

Originally Posted by RogerV

do some research http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._/ai_101657485

Uhmm yes watch how the fine dining restaurants start going out of biz they are all stuggling right now. same with the airlines they are the first to feel the economy slump.

even strippers are making less money.

I'm stripping 6 days a week now and making the same amount i used to make in 2 days. I'm considering leaving stripping for privates.

[BradShaw]

How is the monkey?

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by BradShaw

How is the monkey?

Doing great. Just got my girl a Boxer Puppy for thanksgiving.

and thanks for the turkey this year

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Tube Sites will NOT BE THE DEATH OF PAY SITES. Lack of innovation and lack of multiple sources of traffic will.

tell that to MD and many others http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=871554

[mynameisjim]

Most tube sites showing clips over 3 minutes are showing too much in my opinion.

Are tube sites putting pressure on traditional paysite sales, of course they are.

Will they kill the industry? No.

Will the cream rise to the top? Yes.

You do have to adapt, and giving away MORE free stuff is not what I'm talking about. For once you really have to focus on the customer experience and give them exactly what they want and make them feel they are getting something they simply can't get any other way. Just like a real business does, which may be a new concept to some people here.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Most tube sites showing clips over 3 minutes are showing too much in my opinion.

Are tube sites putting pressure on traditional paysite sales, of course they are.

Will they kill the industry? No.

Will the cream rise to the top? Yes.

You do have to adapt, and giving away MORE free stuff is not what I'm talking about. For once you really have to focus on the customer experience and give them exactly what they want and make them feel they are getting something they simply can't get any other way. Just like a real business does, which may be a new concept to some people here.

What do we give them now? wet panties from the girls

Bottom line is this industry is totally fucking up. We hold the golden ticket and everyone is giving it away free

Strippers dont give free lap dances, Whores dont give free blowjobs the rest of this industry understands

[Fletch XXX]

lol i just logged into a sponsor to check stats and grab link code and saw this lol

Get your own tube script for free

i dont think tubes are going away... (btw) not a knock against Anilos, love the site.

[CrkMStanz]

Robbie, generally I find all of your posts to be intelligent and informative, and most of this one is as well - but this line that is oft spouted is a completely incorrect analogy... you refer to unique real life objects - we are in the digital business.

Originally Posted by Robbie

When I go out to a restaraunt I want the best table. When I go to a concert it has to be the best seats in the house. When I go to a show I'm in the VIP. I LIKE spending my money on good things. And so do a lot of others.

If I could freely 'copy' a steak dinner from the best restaurant, and put it in your dining room 24/7 - 7 days a week, you would take the 'copy' ALL THE TIME - except once in a while, you would 'go out' for the social aspect - I would of course, be hovering around trying to upsell you a 'stereo' or whatever unrelated product I had to sell.

If I could beam the latest 'concert' in to your livingroom FREE of course... you would stay home in the 'best seat' and throw parties to give the free show to everyone else - conquering the social aspect at the same time. I would of course, hover around and try to upsell you a Gym membership (completely unrelated product from the one I 'copied' and gave you for free)

I'm stumped on the 'show' analogy - just don't think it applies really

But the point is - if you (meaning anybody) 'could' get all those things for free - sure as hell the fine restaurant as well as McDonalds would all suffer horribly - and concert venues would be shutting down.

we deal in digital intangible - the rules ARE different - surely you must see that

'Tubes' won't kill the industry in and of themselves - its the accumulated ACCELLERATION of giving away free porn that will kill it (and i daresay its 3/4 dead now) - TGP MGP torrents, dialers, larger and larger tours, tubes, BBS, pirate sites, sharing forums, newsgroups... etc, sure, none of them individually killed porn - but all of them together DID - please - dispute it

Originally Posted by Robbie

They want to see what's so special behind the velvet rope. There's always gonna be a percentage of people who won't buy. But there's also always gonna be a lot of people who want it all.

this is absolutly correct - but I don't see how anyone is good with this - we now scramble for the few that are this type - instead of having the entire base of consumers at our fingertips.

If you LOCK IT ALL UP - ALL of them will pay (well, almost all), not just the few who like to be the 'one behind the velvet rope'

as for all your other posts... I totally agree that I must now totally redesign my site before I even open for business... encrypted streaming all the way - but thats now another pail of money pissed away but do it I shall

y'all really slaughtered this golden goose

[CrkMStanz]

And to further bust analogies....

If I have a choice to eat at the soup kitchen (tube site), or spend the cash for fine dining (top rated paysite) - I would spend the cash

but...

in our digital world the scum are giving away the fare from BOTH the soup kitchen AND the fine dining sites. I get it ALL for free.

get it? no valid analogy there

please - spam me with more analogies so I may bust them too

WAKE UP PEOPLE - THERES A TON OF CASH ON THE TABLE HERE!!!!

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by CrkMStanz

Robbie, generally I find all of your posts to be intelligent and informative, and most of this one is as well - but this line that is oft spouted is a completely incorrect analogy... you refer to unique real life objects - we are in the digital business.



If I could freely 'copy' a steak dinner from the best restaurant, and put it in your dining room 24/7 - 7 days a week, you would take the 'copy' ALL THE TIME - except once in a while, you would 'go out' for the social aspect - I would of course, be hovering around trying to upsell you a 'stereo' or whatever unrelated product I had to sell.

If I could beam the latest 'concert' in to your livingroom FREE of course... you would stay home in the 'best seat' and throw parties to give the free show to everyone else - conquering the social aspect at the same time. I would of course, hover around and try to upsell you a Gym membership (completely unrelated product from the one I 'copied' and gave you for free)

I'm stumped on the 'show' analogy - just don't think it applies really

But the point is - if you (meaning anybody) 'could' get all those things for free - sure as hell the fine restaurant as well as McDonalds would all suffer horribly - and concert venues would be shutting down.

we deal in digital intangible - the rules ARE different - surely you must see that

'Tubes' won't kill the industry in and of themselves - its the accumulated ACCELLERATION of giving away free porn that will kill it (and i daresay its 3/4 dead now) - TGP MGP torrents, dialers, larger and larger tours, tubes, BBS, pirate sites, sharing forums, newsgroups... etc, sure, none of them individually killed porn - but all of them together DID - please - dispute it



this is absolutly correct - but I don't see how anyone is good with this - we now scramble for the few that are this type - instead of having the entire base of consumers at our fingertips.

If you LOCK IT ALL UP - ALL of them will pay (well, almost all), not just the few who like to be the 'one behind the velvet rope'

as for all your other posts... I totally agree that I must now totally redesign my site before I even open for business... encrypted streaming all the way - but thats now another pail of money pissed away but do it I shall

y'all really slaughtered this golden goose

Great post.. I hope we can put the genie back in the bottle. as a industry whole we could but to many greedy fucks getting ready to soak it dry and cash out like always. the golden goose eggs are slowing down and we gave away the cash cow etc

Damn Stripper and Ho's are smarter then webmasters. they dont give the pussy away for free for anything

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by CrkMStanz

And to further bust analogies....

If I have a choice to eat at the soup kitchen (tube site), or spend the cash for fine dining (top rated paysite) - I would spend the cash

but...

in our digital world the scum are giving away the fare from BOTH the soup kitchen AND the fine dining sites. I get it ALL for free.

get it? no valid analogy there

please - spam me with more analogies so I may bust them too

WAKE UP PEOPLE - THERES A TON OF CASH ON THE TABLE HERE!!!!

Its crazy when Strippers, Pimps and ho's and others in the adult entertainment understand. you dont get the pussy for free
but webmasters who are suppose to be brite dont get it..