Wisc. Legislature Approves Download Tax

[DVTimes]

http://www.xbiz.com/news/105056

By Tod Hunter
Saturday, Feb 21, 2009 Text size:
MADISON, Wisc. ? Wisconsin lawmakers have approved a bill requiring a five-percent sales tax on Internet downloads including adult content. The tax goes into effect Oct. 1.
"This is not a straightforward issue and it's going to take some time to have the system up and running," Wisconsin House Majority Leader Tom Nelson said.

A representative with the Illinois Department of Revenue told reporters that Illinois looked into taxing the web as well, but opted out because of the difficulty of taxing businesses that don't have physical locations in the state.

Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle has said that the tax ? music, E-books, greeting cards and ring tones ? will generate about $11 million over the next two years. The state is short almost $600 million for the budget ending June 30, and the next budget faces a deficit of $5.7 billion.

A similar proposal presented two years ago did not make it out of committee.

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I can't wait to see the commerce clause challenge to that law. Interstate commerce is USUALLY the domain of the Federal government. Let's see how Wisconsin plays this off as not "impeding interstate commerce".

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[AtlantisCash]

Why aren't You people showing up in the big protests? why aren't You break these asshole's head and make them out of business? Why You don't make big events to avoiding from internet's freedom becomes touchable? are You really all sheeps as that?

[tony286]

the problem is they dont understand how the web works.

[Minte]

I wouldn't worry to much about anything Jim Doyle does. He is an idiot first class.
He fails at everything.

[LiveDose]

God they are so dumb and clueless. It would almost be funny if they weren't in charge.

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by Minte

I wouldn't worry to much about anything Jim Doyle does. He is an idiot first class.
He fails at everything.

But You should, all governments and states filled with lots of dumbasses like those and they always come us with New invention everyday.

we should talk louder when it comes to internet.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by tony404

the problem is they dont understand how the web works.

[Rochard]

What a bunch of idiots.

How can they tax a company that isn't in Wisconsin? Before you answer that, what if my business is in California and California has the same law? Where do I pay the tax - In both states? So I'd have to pay in both California and Wisconsin? What if my hosting company is in Florida, and they have the same law? Do I have the pay the law there too?

And isn't porn protected by free speech? You can't put undue taxes on Free Speech.

Idiots.

[boudoir]

Originally Posted by Minte

I wouldn't worry to much about anything Jim Doyle does. He is an idiot first class.
He fails at everything.

Minte is right. I've shot Doyle a few times. I spent over 10 years living in Madison and finally escaped last year. It feels great to no longer be in that repressive state.

[Maxi Caballero]

They can send me all the collection letters they want I will file them with the Old Acacia Letters in file 13

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What a bunch of idiots.

How can they tax a company that isn't in Wisconsin? Before you answer that, what if my business is in California and California has the same law? Where do I pay the tax - In both states? So I'd have to pay in both California and Wisconsin? What if my hosting company is in Florida, and they have the same law? Do I have the pay the law there too?

And isn't porn protected by free speech? You can't put undue taxes on Free Speech.

Idiots.

The way the state of NY forced amazon and others to collect NY state sales tax on sales is based on affiliates. They claim that since amazon (and others) have affiliates based in the state of NY, that this constitutes a "physical presence" in the state, and therefore subject to the same tax structure as a brick and mortar in the state. I think it was overstock who actually banned/terminated affiliates from the state as a way to fight it. Might have that wrong though.

not at all sure how that would apply to a non-tangible like access to a website.

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

no comment...

[spacedog]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What a bunch of idiots.

How can they tax a company that isn't in Wisconsin? Before you answer that, what if my business is in California and California has the same law? Where do I pay the tax - In both states? So I'd have to pay in both California and Wisconsin? What if my hosting company is in Florida, and they have the same law? Do I have the pay the law there too?

And isn't porn protected by free speech? You can't put undue taxes on Free Speech.

Idiots.

Um... dope...


THE PERSON DOWNLOADING PAYS THE TAX ACCORDING TO WHATEVER STATE THEY'RE DOWNLOADING FROM!!!

IE: Wisconsin based customers downloading the shit will pay the tax to Wisconsin, and those in California will pay the tax to California.. Get it now?

[Splum]

Thats a Democrat for ya, taxing you to death and then giving your money to the welfare people.

[geedub]

Originally Posted by boudoir

Minte is right. I've shot Doyle a few times. I spent over 10 years living in Madison and finally escaped last year. It feels great to no longer be in that repressive state.

god i hate this city too..

[potter]

Originally Posted by tony404

the problem is they dont understand how the web works.

haha seriously.. I'd love to hear how they plan on reviewing / tracking download stats for every person in the state.

[Shaze]

this is the government just getting the population of the US warmed up before they start taxing internet business so they can start FCC censorship on the internet. they're doing it here and there even though these legislations don't pass or get rejected, they just want to start training the minds of all the sheep to get use to the idea before they go in full force. as television signals go to digital the lines between the internet and cable or blurring and you know the US government needs to start getting in control of the Internet. it will become the medium of choice in the future.

[Blingbaby]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Dude do you ever have anything else to say besides ????

[Blingbaby]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What a bunch of idiots.

How can they tax a company that isn't in Wisconsin? Before you answer that, what if my business is in California and California has the same law? Where do I pay the tax - In both states? So I'd have to pay in both California and Wisconsin? What if my hosting company is in Florida, and they have the same law? Do I have the pay the law there too?

And isn't porn protected by free speech? You can't put undue taxes on Free Speech.

Idiots.

Unfortunately, along a similar vein, a question asked before *what if my god was not your god* was met with an alarmingly fiery response in the past.. and we all know between god and money who usually wins?

[AtlantisCash]

Talk louder idiots, all of You guys are saying they don't know how the web is working, Yea They don't understand it, but these dumbass puppets are still who are the real law makers.

for some years ago, even at gfy people were talking about bestiality sponsors but today non of us can do sites that containing beastiality related content unless You host at Denmark or something.

i don't defense neither beast content nor anything related to it, how ever it is the same issue if they start control over internet, so don't be dumbass don't be sheep and stop playing cute and honest motherfuckers.

Bill Clinton signed that agreement about Internet's freedom, but since some of You US people are first class sheep's, You took in the ass what they pushed You to do including 2257, taxation on Affiliate incomes and so on.

So what's next idiots, You waiting for the next thing They knock Your door and shut all of Your sites?

Legalization and gov control is my ass, Governments and old fart politicians should be fuck outa internet.

i support Russian's politics about Understanding of internet, Nobody messes they're internet or they're business and they all brings the Huge amount of money to their country all US webmasters probably can't even imagine.

You would say Russians are scammers? and i would say You people are morons, They just know how internet works and You don't.

You would say You have ethics? Fuck Your ethics, You would say You want play clean and honest? fuck You idiots, Porn is a dirty business, who involves in this business and plays innocents just deserve to be raped in the ass as there's no tomorrow.

what all You assholes can do is just coming to boards and bo bo crybabies like a little whiny bitchs, blaming tubes, torrents and so on rather then adapting Your crappy tgps to new changes.

Talk some loud and do something for the Your INTERNET's freedom, Rather then being a dumb lazy asses.

[spanky part 2]

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Talk louder idiots, all of You guys are saying they don't know how the web is working, Yea They don't understand it, but these dumbass puppets are still who are the real law makers.

for some years ago, even at gfy people were talking about bestiality sponsors but today non of us can do sites that containing beastiality related content unless You host at Denmark or something.

i don't defense neither beast content nor anything related to it, how ever it is the same issue if they start control over internet, so don't be dumbass don't be sheep and stop playing cute and honest motherfuckers.

Bill Clinton signed that agreement about Internet's freedom, but since some of You US people are first class sheep's, You took in the ass what they pushed You to do including 2257, taxation on Affiliate incomes and so on.

So what's next idiots, You waiting for the next thing They knock Your door and shut all of Your sites?

Legalization and gov control is my ass, Governments and old fart politicians should be fuck outa internet.

i support Russian's politics about Understanding of internet, Nobody messes they're internet or they're business and they all brings the Huge amount of money to their country all US webmasters probably can't even imagine.

You would say Russians are scammers? and i would say You people are morons, They just know how internet works and You don't.

You would say You have ethics? Fuck Your ethics, You would say You want play clean and honest? fuck You idiots, Porn is a dirty business, who involves in this business and plays innocents just deserve to be raped in the ass as there's no tomorrow.

what all You assholes can do is just coming to boards and bo bo crybabies like a little whiny bitchs, blaming tubes, torrents and so on rather then adapting Your crappy tgps to new changes.

Talk some loud and do something for the Your INTERNET's freedom, Rather then being a dumb lazy asses.

You're from Turkey so stfu! Even the greeks think you are lower than them. You live in a fucking third world country so figure your own shit out and let the real biz to the big boys.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by spacedog

Um... dope...


THE PERSON DOWNLOADING PAYS THE TAX ACCORDING TO WHATEVER STATE THEY'RE DOWNLOADING FROM!!!

IE: Wisconsin based customers downloading the shit will pay the tax to Wisconsin, and those in California will pay the tax to California.. Get it now?

Not so much really.

It would be up the person downloading in Wisconsin to pay any tax. I surely don't have to collect it or report it to the state of Wisconsin; I'm not in Wisconsin, don't pay taxes in Wisconsin, and Wisconsin laws don't apply to me.

I don't see this law as having any ground. At some point it will be "Well, your interstate commerce passed through our state via the backbone of the Internet, so we have the right to tax it". It's hogwash.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Talk louder idiots, all of You guys are saying they don't know how the web is working, Yea They don't understand it, but these dumbass puppets are still who are the real law makers.

for some years ago, even at gfy people were talking about bestiality sponsors but today non of us can do sites that containing beastiality related content unless You host at Denmark or something.

i don't defense neither beast content nor anything related to it, how ever it is the same issue if they start control over internet, so don't be dumbass don't be sheep and stop playing cute and honest motherfuckers.

Bill Clinton signed that agreement about Internet's freedom, but since some of You US people are first class sheep's, You took in the ass what they pushed You to do including 2257, taxation on Affiliate incomes and so on.

So what's next idiots, You waiting for the next thing They knock Your door and shut all of Your sites?

Legalization and gov control is my ass, Governments and old fart politicians should be fuck outa internet.

i support Russian's politics about Understanding of internet, Nobody messes they're internet or they're business and they all brings the Huge amount of money to their country all US webmasters probably can't even imagine.

You would say Russians are scammers? and i would say You people are morons, They just know how internet works and You don't.

You would say You have ethics? Fuck Your ethics, You would say You want play clean and honest? fuck You idiots, Porn is a dirty business, who involves in this business and plays innocents just deserve to be raped in the ass as there's no tomorrow.

what all You assholes can do is just coming to boards and bo bo crybabies like a little whiny bitchs, blaming tubes, torrents and so on rather then adapting Your crappy tgps to new changes.

Talk some loud and do something for the Your INTERNET's freedom, Rather then being a dumb lazy asses.

Ok,I have a meeting tuesday just a few blocks from the capital. I'll stop by the governors office and tell him to stop all this tax and spend nonsense.

As long as I'll have his ear,anything else you want me to tell him? Maybe I should mention we are tired of all this fighting around the world and he should spend his time on peace in the middle-east rather than taxing titties.

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by Minte

Ok,I have a meeting tuesday just a few blocks from the capital. I'll stop by the governors office and tell him to stop all this tax and spend nonsense.

As long as I'll have his ear,anything else you want me to tell him? Maybe I should mention we are tired of all this fighting around the world and he should spend his time on peace in the middle-east rather than taxing titties.

i understand Your sarcasm, but do You think there is really nothing to do? Do You think we should just sit and wait?

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

You're from Turkey so stfu! Even the greeks think you are lower than them. You live in a fucking third world country so figure your own shit out and let the real biz to the big boys.

A Fake nick says what?

i could care less What Greeks are thinking, they sucked Ottoman cock for almost 400 years and if You see the location i live in the place which we got from Greak's Grand Fathers and saved them from the darkness of middle ages, so Stop talking out of Your ass and come something with real to Me.

Stop kissing that Big Boy's ass and try to grow and Be a big boy You fucking dumbass loser, it makes You look even more a fucking surfer cunt then You are.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

i understand Your sarcasm, but do You think there is really nothing to do? Do You think we should just sit and wait?

I didn't vote him last election and won't vote for him in the next election. And the truth is,that if it weren't Wisconsin moving to tax internet porn it would be another state.

I drive the roads,am protected by the police and know if my home catches on fire that someone will come when called. This all takes money. Adding a sales tax to internet purchases isn't the end of porn online.It's just another way for the government to generate some much needed revenue.

We pay sales tax on everything else we buy. I'm surprised it didn't happen to internet porn years ago.

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by Minte

I didn't vote him last election and won't vote for him in the next election. And the truth is,that if it weren't Wisconsin moving to tax internet porn it would be another state.

I drive the roads,am protected by the police and know if my home catches on fire that someone will come when called. This all takes money. Adding a sales tax to internet purchases isn't the end of porn online.It's just another way for the government to generate some much needed revenue.

We pay sales tax on everything else we buy. I'm surprised it didn't happen to internet porn years ago.

and i wish it won't work out though, Some places should stay liberated and Nothing else can be suitable for This as mutch as internet's nature.

[Adult Insider Dave]

Originally Posted by Minte

I wouldn't worry to much about anything Jim Doyle does. He is an idiot first class.
He fails at everything.

Minte I think u are the only porn guy outta Wisconson time to write some letters lol :p

[V_RocKs]

Have fun collecting on that!

[boudoir]

Originally Posted by Minte

Ok,I have a meeting tuesday just a few blocks from the capital. I'll stop by the governors office and tell him to stop all this tax and spend nonsense.

As long as I'll have his ear,anything else you want me to tell him? Maybe I should mention we are tired of all this fighting around the world and he should spend his time on peace in the middle-east rather than taxing titties.

You mean you actually make appointments at the Rising Sun?

Guys, Wisconsin actually has a line on their state income tax form where all good citizens voluntarily note how much they spent on goods out of state (including mail order and Internet purchases) so that they may voluntarily pay the sales tax that they did not previously have the pleasure of paying.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by allanuk

http://www.xbiz.com/news/105056

By Tod Hunter
Saturday, Feb 21, 2009 Text size:
MADISON, Wisc. ? Wisconsin lawmakers have approved a bill requiring a five-percent sales tax on Internet downloads including adult content. The tax goes into effect Oct. 1.
"This is not a straightforward issue and it's going to take some time to have the system up and running," Wisconsin House Majority Leader Tom Nelson said.

A representative with the Illinois Department of Revenue told reporters that Illinois looked into taxing the web as well, but opted out because of the difficulty of taxing businesses that don't have physical locations in the state.

Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle has said that the tax ? music, E-books, greeting cards and ring tones ? will generate about $11 million over the next two years. The state is short almost $600 million for the budget ending June 30, and the next budget faces a deficit of $5.7 billion.

A similar proposal presented two years ago did not make it out of committee.

I like to know where these guys get their figures. They assume people will still download at the same rate. For example my state has a 8.25% sale tax on food Kentucky has ZERO % sales tax on food. Guess where people that live near the border with Kentucky go shopping for groceries? That's right Kentucky. How much money are Tennessee business losing because TN residents are shopping in KY? How much business tax revenue is the state losing because of this?

Seriously what is stopping someone from wisconsin from asking a friend that lives in another state to download songs from itunes or whatever then sending them to him so they don't have to pay sales tax? States are like the media companies, they need to learn that the old ways won't work anymore and they need to find new ways to bring in revenue.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

The way the state of NY forced amazon and others to collect NY state sales tax on sales is based on affiliates. They claim that since amazon (and others) have affiliates based in the state of NY, that this constitutes a "physical presence" in the state, and therefore subject to the same tax structure as a brick and mortar in the state. I think it was overstock who actually banned/terminated affiliates from the state as a way to fight it. Might have that wrong though.

not at all sure how that would apply to a non-tangible like access to a website.

Yep Overstock did that. And now NY has even more people not getting any income and more people needs assitance. REAL fucking smart. the only way these state will elarn is for thse companies to not only can affiliates in those states but to simply stop people from that state from shopping there. Then put a page up for those people telling them why. I can 100% guarantee when nobody in a state can shop online anywhere then politicans will rethink this internet sales tax crap.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by Blingbaby

Dude do you ever have anything else to say besides ????

he can correct me if I assume wrong, but I believe when someone posts "" following a quote, it means that they agree with that point and feel that it deserves repeating and a show of support

[AtlantisCash]

i wish somebody like Einstein invents a fuckin Biologic weapon to remove all kinda old school politicians and governors from earth then we'll all be fine.