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uno · 04-07-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by milambur

Screw NATS campaign tracking, it sucks. I want proper tracking where I can assign a tracking code of at least 8 alphanumeric characters on the fly to the link codes and they show up on the transaction list for all transactions stemming from that track code.

Hell yes, me too.

NaughtyRob · 04-07-2009, 06:26 PM

Will this new system have any issues working with CCBTools ?

brassmonkey · 04-07-2009, 06:33 PM

good lord after stacking all that damn money you guys finally are going to fix that ugly ass interface

CCBill Paul · 04-07-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kellie

Okay so say if we would want to make them available to affiliates via your new marking screens, would we be able to have the exact same tools we currently have (flash videos, potd, votd) but they would just have new links?

Yes! Even if the marketing material type is not listed in the new WMS you can add it and provide a link to it. So yes.

stickyfingerz · 04-07-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

We are beginnig to migrate the first of clients on Friday. Migration time will be based on size and complexity of the programs being moved, and we're going to be moving very slowly. This is a huge implementation, and we have a very high respect for your business, and are going to take things slowly to minimize any possible disruption should any issues come up.

No, this will not affect current links.

Im on that list, put me near the top k thx. hehe.

Jim_Gunn · 04-07-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

Hell yes, me too.

From an affiliate's perspective this is a HUGELY important question that I do not believe has been answered yet. We need REAL tracking capabilities for affiliates! If an affiliate has say multiple blogs, free sites and other traffic sources and that affiliate send traffic to multiple different CCBill sponsors, there is currently no way to do proper tracking of what sources you sales came from! Not unless you use the horribly awkward kludge of signing up for the same CCBill sponsors multiple times with multiple affiliate id's and using each one for one source of traffic- ie, each individual blog post or banner! Does the new affiliate admin allow one to have real tracking variables so one can actually figure out where your sales are coming from?

CCBill Paul · 04-07-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

Why did you guys launch this without training your customer service (Live Chat)?

Our tier1 staff is responsible for answering the live chats, they have received some very basic training so far and will be receiving more comprehensive training during the next couple weeks. This is a brand new, very large product and initially we would like our best techs providing the support for it.

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Originally Posted by nation-x

I am not sure if WMS has this... but will you add a feature so that you can pay percentage to affiliates from NET and not GROSS. Currently our only choices are to pay the affiliates % of GROSS or split the fee... we would like to split the NET after fee.

This is not in the new system but we will certainly take it under consideration for future implementation.

CCBill Paul · 04-07-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GetNaughty

Will this new system have any issues working with CCBTools ?

We are working with CCBTools and other 3rd party vendors to assist with their integrations.

CCBill Paul · 04-07-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by aniloscash

are you adding referal urls so affiliates can know the url they are sending hits from?

Currently the referring urls are reported but in the new system yes, we are giving the referring urls their own report!

NaughtyRob · 04-08-2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

We are working with CCBTools and other 3rd party vendors to assist with their integrations.

Great to hear.

BigBen · 04-08-2009, 01:25 AM

Is there an API that affiliates can integrate with to track their stats (sales, rebills, clicks, etc)? Or postback functionality for affiliates?

TheDA · 04-08-2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

Each program you signup with will still have a unique ID that our system will use for campaign tracking however you will not have to bother with these. You will just need to login with your one unique ID and then you can separate the sales in the reports.

Thanks for reply but my question about tracking referred to an affiliate being able to track where his sales were coming from. I see a few others asking the same question but don't see an answer yet. I think Jimm_Gunn sums up what a lot of people currently do.

"If an affiliate has say multiple blogs, free sites and other traffic sources and that affiliate send traffic to multiple different CCBill sponsors, there is currently no way to do proper tracking of what sources you sales came from! Not unless you use the horribly awkward kludge of signing up for the same CCBill sponsors multiple times with multiple affiliate id's and using each one for one source of traffic- ie, each individual blog post or banner! "

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Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

In most cases it will not differ from the current system however if the sponsor chooses to link the consumer with the affiliate that affiliate will get credit for that consumers rebills/subsequent purchases for the duration of the consumer-affiliate link which is specified by the sponsor.

The last part of my original post referred to "How will the 'who gets the sale' differ from the current system?".

From your replies to Scotty.T you are saying that an affiliate gets the credit for a sale even although the surfer hasn't used that particular affiliates link to visit the site???

Either you are not grasping what is being asked or this is very very wrong. You can't have universal ID's overwriting cookies when the site hasn't even been visited.

I'm sure this is not the case but this is what I would like to clarify.

chemicaleyes · 04-08-2009, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDA

I'm sure this is not the case but this is what I would like to clarify.

Same here.

Davy · 04-08-2009, 02:12 AM

What I really would have liked to see is a way for programs to show their webmasters sales stats on their own website.
There are already processing companies which can do that.

CCBill Paul · 04-08-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBen

Is there an API that affiliates can integrate with to track their stats (sales, rebills, clicks, etc)? Or postback functionality for affiliates?

Unfortunately neither of these are available at this time. There is a potential plan to institute the API that you speak of but I cannot give you a timeline just yet.

CCBill Paul · 04-08-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDA

Thanks for reply but my question about tracking referred to an affiliate being able to track where his sales were coming from. I see a few others asking the same question but don't see an answer yet. I think Jimm_Gunn sums up what a lot of people currently do.

"If an affiliate has say multiple blogs, free sites and other traffic sources and that affiliate send traffic to multiple different CCBill sponsors, there is currently no way to do proper tracking of what sources you sales came from! Not unless you use the horribly awkward kludge of signing up for the same CCBill sponsors multiple times with multiple affiliate id's and using each one for one source of traffic- ie, each individual blog post or banner! "

I have put off commenting about this until I am fully aware of the new systems functionality. I will be addressing this shortly.

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Originally Posted by TheDA

The last part of my original post referred to "How will the 'who gets the sale' differ from the current system?".

From your replies to Scotty.T you are saying that an affiliate gets the credit for a sale even although the surfer hasn't used that particular affiliates link to visit the site???

Either you are not grasping what is being asked or this is very very wrong. You can't have universal ID's overwriting cookies when the site hasn't even been visited.

I'm sure this is not the case but this is what I would like to clarify.

The new system does not necessarily differ from the old system in this regard. In the old system if I click through affiliate B's linking code after affiliate A's and I signup, affiliate B will get credit for the sale.

In the old system both affiliates would have to belong to the same program and that is still the case with the new system.

I have some different examples and if you would like to discuss further I would be happy to. paulk @ ccbill.com i c q 248615940

V_RocKs · 04-08-2009, 11:33 AM

People here are funny...

Some keep asking this question:

If surfer goes to Site A through Affiliate A and then goes to site B through Affiliate A and then goes to Site C through Affiliate B but types in Site B and joins, does Affiliate B's code get the credit even though the surfer never clicked through their code?

Yes... How? Magic. That is right! Magic!

Think about it like a phone system. If you cold call Number 1 and then they call back and talk to someone else but give your code, magic happens and you don't get the sale! FUCK YEAH!

MAGIC! Pure hocus-pocus, people!

M.A.G.I.C.!

Fucking retards even asking the question...

EDepth · 04-08-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

People here are funny...

Some keep asking this question:

If surfer goes to Site A through Affiliate A and then goes to site B through Affiliate A and then goes to Site C through Affiliate B but types in Site B and joins, does Affiliate B's code get the credit even though the surfer never clicked through their code?

Yes... How? Magic. That is right! Magic!

Think about it like a phone system. If you cold call Number 1 and then they call back and talk to someone else but give your code, magic happens and you don't get the sale! FUCK YEAH!

MAGIC! Pure hocus-pocus, people!

M.A.G.I.C.!

Fucking retards even asking the question...

I think you are wrong, but I'll wait till someone can 100% confirm it with real testing. This was never the case before, and if it is the case now it unfairly rewards the last affiliate.

EDepth · 04-08-2009, 12:14 PM

Ah v_rocks is right assuming sites A,B,C are all in the same master account. He is wrong if site A,B,C are in different programs with new universal id #s. My bad on that one... but that is what the confusion is about.

CCBill Paul · 04-08-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EDepth

Ah v_rocks is right assuming sites A,B,C are all in the same master account. He is wrong if site A,B,C are in different programs with new universal id #s. My bad on that one... but that is what the confusion is about.

This is correct and just to further clarify: Affiliates will be issued one universal ID but they will still have a unique ID to each program which will be encrypted in the new style of linking code.

The new universal ID's have been formed to make things easier for the affiliates but the linking code will still be per sponsor. So an affiliate cannot just use a universal ID to overwrite any cookie. I hope that clears it up.

Scotty.T · 04-08-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

People here are funny...

Some keep asking this question:

If surfer goes to Site A through Affiliate A and then goes to site B through Affiliate A and then goes to Site C through Affiliate B but types in Site B and joins, does Affiliate B's code get the credit even though the surfer never clicked through their code?

Yes... How? Magic. That is right! Magic!

Think about it like a phone system. If you cold call Number 1 and then they call back and talk to someone else but give your code, magic happens and you don't get the sale! FUCK YEAH!

MAGIC! Pure hocus-pocus, people!

M.A.G.I.C.!

Fucking retards even asking the question...

LOL, they sure are.

Scotty.T · 04-08-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

This is correct and just to further clarify: Affiliates will be issued one universal ID but they will still have a unique ID to each program which will be encrypted in the new style of linking code.

The new universal ID's have been formed to make things easier for the affiliates but the linking code will still be per sponsor. So an affiliate cannot just use a universal ID to overwrite any cookie. I hope that clears it up.

OK that clears it up for me. Thanks.

V_RocKs · 04-08-2009, 07:56 PM

I smoke crack rocks. Don't listen to me. I also believe in voodoo.

milambur · 04-09-2009, 02:32 AM

Paul if you want some futher suggestions for a good implementation of tracking for affiliates you can hit me up at:
gfy1 /at/ skinmarketing (dot) com

I know there are alot of ppl that would increase their promotion of cc-bill sites if the tracking was good. If you implement it the way I suggested in the earlier comment I would probably increase my sales volume with cc-bill to at least $10k a month by the end of the summer.

perfectodollars-gabrio · 04-09-2009, 08:33 AM

thumbs up for paul answering all the questions ;-) i read them all and i guess you will have to do a Perfecto-migration soon as well

CCBill Paul · 04-09-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by milambur

Paul if you want some futher suggestions for a good implementation of tracking for affiliates you can hit me up at:
gfy1 /at/ skinmarketing (dot) com

I know there are alot of ppl that would increase their promotion of cc-bill sites if the tracking was good. If you implement it the way I suggested in the earlier comment I would probably increase my sales volume with cc-bill to at least $10k a month by the end of the summer.

Thank you, we are always looking for suggestions and you should have an email here shortly. If anyone else would like to discuss campaign tracking with me or offer any suggestions please hit me up paulk @ ccbill.com or provide me with your contact information.

Unfortunately the old way of tracking (using multiple accounts with the same sponsor) is still valid in the new system. We are still making imporovements on the affiliate tracking abilities but as of right now we do not have a way, besides using multiple accounts, to track campaigns for affiliates.

CCBill Paul · 04-09-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by perfectodollars-gabrio

thumbs up for paul answering all the questions ;-) i read them all and i guess you will have to do a Perfecto-migration soon as well

Wonderful

Zester · 04-09-2009, 01:14 PM

there was something about a search engine or index page that will list all sponsors using ccbill ? one that affiliates an use for finding sponsors, when will that be available ?

Manowar · 04-09-2009, 01:24 PM

reading through this now

CCBill Paul · 04-09-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Zester

there was something about a search engine or index page that will list all sponsors using ccbill ? one that affiliates an use for finding sponsors, when will that be available ?

This will be available once a sponsor you are using switches to the new system or once you signup with a sponsor who is on the new system.

Scotty.T · 04-16-2009, 02:54 AM

Any sponsors signed up to this and got it operational yet?

zentz · 11-10-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Scotty.T

Any sponsors signed up to this and got it operational yet?

yes would like to see it in action.

Iron Fist · 11-10-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by EDepth

I think you are wrong, but I'll wait till someone can 100% confirm it with real testing. This was never the case before, and if it is the case now it unfairly rewards the last affiliate.

Even the cookiestuffers? Fuck that then... may the last affiliate win.

Iron Fist · 11-10-2009, 09:59 AM

Paul, do I login as an affiliate to affiliateadmin.ccbill.com still? I keep getting e-mails about this new WMS system, but the interface I log into is still the exact same.. will this eventually change?

TheDA · 11-10-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

Paul, do I login as an affiliate to affiliateadmin.ccbill.com still? I keep getting e-mails about this new WMS system, but the interface I log into is still the exact same.. will this eventually change?

use https://admin.ccbill.com/

CCBill Paul · 11-10-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

Paul, do I login as an affiliate to affiliateadmin.ccbill.com still? I keep getting e-mails about this new WMS system, but the interface I log into is still the exact same.. will this eventually change?

In order to utilize the WMS system, features, reports, etc. you will need to login to the new admin located here: https://admin.ccbill.com
If you do not wish to use the new system you may still login to the new admin as all of the old admin features are there as well.

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04-08-2009, 12:14 PM	#69
EDepth Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 510	Ah v_rocks is right assuming sites A,B,C are all in the same master account. He is wrong if site A,B,C are in different programs with new universal id #s. My bad on that one... but that is what the confusion is about. __________________ ICQ: 275335837

04-09-2009, 02:32 AM	#74
milambur Mainstream since 2010 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,327	Paul if you want some futher suggestions for a good implementation of tracking for affiliates you can hit me up at: gfy1 /at/ skinmarketing (dot) com I know there are alot of ppl that would increase their promotion of cc-bill sites if the tracking was good. If you implement it the way I suggested in the earlier comment I would probably increase my sales volume with cc-bill to at least $10k a month by the end of the summer. __________________ Alea iacta est

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04-08-2009, 11:33 AM	#67
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,405	People here are funny... Some keep asking this question: If surfer goes to Site A through Affiliate A and then goes to site B through Affiliate A and then goes to Site C through Affiliate B but types in Site B and joins, does Affiliate B's code get the credit even though the surfer never clicked through their code? Yes... How? Magic. That is right! Magic! Think about it like a phone system. If you cold call Number 1 and then they call back and talk to someone else but give your code, magic happens and you don't get the sale! FUCK YEAH! MAGIC! Pure hocus-pocus, people! M.A.G.I.C.! Fucking retards even asking the question...

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Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	Paul, do I login as an affiliate to affiliateadmin.ccbill.com still? I keep getting e-mails about this new WMS system, but the interface I log into is still the exact same.. will this eventually change? __________________ i like waffles