Starting an Affiliate Program - CCBill or Epoch? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

SBJ · 04-16-2009, 12:57 PM

50 votes for ccbill

dig420 · 04-16-2009, 02:28 PM

I'm not sure what's going on here and why Epoch is getting pissed on... the conversion ratio with Epoch is just as good as with ANY other billing company, and if you put a gun to my head I would say the retention is better.

When and why have people soured on Epoch???

BV · 04-16-2009, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dig420

I'm not sure what's going on here and why Epoch is getting pissed on... the conversion ratio with Epoch is just as good as with ANY other billing company, and if you put a gun to my head I would say the retention is better.

When and why have people soured on Epoch???

no doubt epoch is in the top 2, just ccbill is first, primarily because they have a better system, and has had one for much much longer

their billing capabilities were never their downfall, it was their affiliate admin, tools, reports, etc etc,

ccbills has always been better

Shoplifter · 04-16-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

I will say this; around 3 weeks ago I removed a second billing option from my join page, based upon the recent credibility of that processor (not Epoch or SegPay). With ONLY CCBill on my join page, sales have dropped over 25% since then, with no other changes whatsoever, so it is easy to believe a second biller is important, but from the replies on this thread, that does not seem to be the case. Still a mystery regarding the past 3 weeks however, so I am left scratching my head.

How uncanny is this, I am sure we have done exactly the same thing. And this is is exactly my story as well. Your rebills will be down as well.

TrainWreckContent · 04-16-2009, 08:24 PM

This is an interesting thread because I posed the same question and was told that ccbill is more well known, but that I should use both and cascade from one to the other.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...6#post15704976

ExLust · 04-16-2009, 09:31 PM

Been using CCBill for 3 years now.

NinjaSteve · 04-16-2009, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrozenJag

Sorry for being slightly off topic but has anyone used Zombaio?

Never used them, but their name reminds me of
http://www.zombo.com/

NinjaSteve · 04-16-2009, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoplifter

How uncanny is this, I am sure we have done exactly the same thing. And this is is exactly my story as well. Your rebills will be down as well.

If you don't have cascading, I don't understand why you say that rebills will be down. I assume it would be about the same rebill % overall.

Paul Markham · 04-17-2009, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by commonsense

The majority of affiliates that make sales DO NOT use or need flvs, much less hosted flvs.

Exactly what I thought. Another affiliates who can't afford to host his own stuff wants sponsors to host it for him. He's probably send 2 sales a moth if you add 2 scenes a day. LOL

Paul Markham · 04-17-2009, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Okay, thanks everyone. Looks like CCBill is the clear winner!

Any advice about Epoch as a second biller, in a cascade?

Is it worth the $750 per additional biller?

I think you can see by the reaction that CCBILL is the clear winner. Is it worth 75 sales to have an additional biller? Only you know the answer to this.

CCBill Paul · 04-17-2009, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I've been told that if a person joins a CCBill site, opting for a recurring billing option, but then cancels before any rebilling occurs, that CCBill's merchant bank will flag that person for committing a form of fraud. Then, whenever that person attempts to join another CCBill site, they will be rejected. With no secondary processor as a back-up, you will simply lose the sale.

Is there any truth to this, or is this misinformation?

No, there is no truth to this and it is exactly how you said it, misinformation. It really would not make any sense if a customer simply cancels to block them or flag them.

If I can clear anything else up for you please let me know.

paulk @ ccbill.com
i c q 248615940

BFT3K · 04-17-2009, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

No, there is no truth to this and it is exactly how you said it, misinformation. It really would not make any sense if a customer simply cancels to block them or flag them.

If I can clear anything else up for you please let me know.

paulk @ ccbill.com
i c q 248615940

Thanks Paul! I'm not naming names (not a drama thread), but that is exactly what one of the reps, from one of the top 3 billers told me very recently. I almost fell for it!

Why · 04-17-2009, 01:03 PM

are you really gonna take the words of the GFY crowd? how many of the people that supported CCBill in here even have a paysite? If your that interested in the court of GFY's opinion, do a search.

CCBill has the added advantage of a well known and trusted back end system for your affiliates to use, which means you can bypass the need for additional infrastructure. Epoch offers a similar system its just much newer and not as widely used, but at least its PHP and not crap slow java and isnt nearly as complicated!

i think both will waive the $750 fee if you ask very nicely.

Personally I'd go with Epoch, I've dealt with both for many years and if i had to choose one thats where id go, for reasons i wont post on a board.

blogsy · 04-17-2009, 01:05 PM

hands down CCBill

DWB · 11-09-2009, 01:37 PM

Epoch was the worst choice I've ever made. We had them as our primary for years and then one of their support guys who we think is a stalker, hit us up demanding the uncensored IDs of two MILFs on one of our sites, claiming they looked young to him. He also demanded uncensored model releases.

They were pushing so hard for it and it come from some guy in support, not from anyone up the ladder, we denied his request and kindly asked they visit our place of records, have someone higher up the ladder contact us, or allow us to censor some information that someone could track the model with. Our account was terminated.

Now they are cleverly trying to wrap it around communication problems with us and avoiding any issue at all, literally avoiding it, any questions of the IDs or their possible stalker in support. After we pulled the site in question, they STILL wanted the IDs. Too spooky for us. Look to me like they have a problem over there.

So unless you want to violate your models privacy and possibly put them in danger from a deranged employee from Epoch, I would not use them.

MrDeiz · 11-09-2009, 01:43 PM

we won't list epoch programs (as we have listed 100% of all ccbill programs), before this issue will be resolved http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=937677

DWB · 11-09-2009, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daizzzy

we won't list epoch programs (as we have listed 100% of all ccbill programs), before this issue will be resolved http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=937677

They don't give a shit about their customers daizzzy.

BFT3K · 11-09-2009, 02:18 PM

Wow, this is an old thread! I'm surprised it was bumped.

I went the CCBill route in the end by the way. I am still working on all aspects...

http://www.PeckerPass.com/AffiliateJoinPage.html

I will have much more up soon!

Agent 488 · 11-09-2009, 02:25 PM

epochs sucks balls.

Les Grossman · 11-09-2009, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Wow, this is an old thread! I'm surprised it was bumped.

I went the CCBill route in the end by the way. I am still working on all aspects...

http://www.PeckerPass.com/AffiliateJoinPage.html

I will have much more up soon!

They scrub a little hard, but they are solid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

epochs sucks balls.

Yes they do. Big sweaty Mexican balls.

alias · 11-09-2009, 02:35 PM

Nats or mpa3 and zombaio. Don't be a pussy, these guys look legit.

BFT3K · 11-09-2009, 02:36 PM

Well, since this post is back to the top again, where do you guys stand on SegPay as a second biller, working in conjunction with a primary CCBill affiliate program?

Finike · 11-09-2009, 02:38 PM

I swtiched to CCBill 2003 after the GloBill disaster and I am very happy with their service.
Use Epoch as secondary processor!

Kylee Sands · 11-23-2009, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why

i think both will waive the $750 fee if you ask very nicely.

Is this true? Has anybody else ever had the $750 Visa fee waived?
Thanks!

Major (Tom) · 11-23-2009, 10:29 PM

Bottom line epoch converts double as well as ccbill. So do the math from there.
Duke

Major (Tom) · 11-23-2009, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Well, since this post is back to the top again, where do you guys stand on SegPay as a second biller, working in conjunction with a primary CCBill affiliate program?

Segpay converts just as good as epoch.
Segpay is great. If you had to choose between two 3rd party billers it would be Segpay and Epoch. CCbill is good, dont get me wrong. You will see more through put with Seg and Epoch. I can you show you my stats to prove it too as you are only across the street.
Duke

BFT3K · 11-23-2009, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Segpay converts just as good as epoch.
Segpay is great. If you had to choose between two 3rd party billers it would be Segpay and Epoch. CCbill is good, dont get me wrong. You will see more through put with Seg and Epoch. I can you show you my stats to prove it too as you are only across the street.
Duke

Thanks for the feedback.

I should have SegPay up and running sometime this week.

They are reviewing my sites for compliance as we speak.

Here's everyone's chance to win a stupid t-shirt...

http://www.slidism.org/shop.html

LoveSandra · 11-24-2009, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manowar

go with ccbill

04-16-2009, 12:57 PM	#51
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04-16-2009, 08:24 PM	#55
TrainWreckContent Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Under a Train Wreck Posts: 8,131	This is an interesting thread because I posed the same question and was told that ccbill is more well known, but that I should use both and cascade from one to the other. http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...6#post15704976 __________________ Train Wreck Content Telegram @DanTrainwreck / Whatsapp TrainWreck / Email [email protected]

04-16-2009, 09:31 PM	#56
ExLust Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,223	Been using CCBill for 3 years now. __________________ BE A PARTNER

11-09-2009, 01:43 PM	#66
MrDeiz SignBucksDaily.com Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,802	we won't list epoch programs (as we have listed 100% of all ccbill programs), before this issue will be resolved http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=937677 __________________ Make money with WEBC$MS The only way to still make money in adult

11-09-2009, 02:35 PM	#71
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04-16-2009, 02:28 PM	#52
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	I'm not sure what's going on here and why Epoch is getting pissed on... the conversion ratio with Epoch is just as good as with ANY other billing company, and if you put a gun to my head I would say the retention is better. When and why have people soured on Epoch???

04-17-2009, 01:03 PM	#63
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	are you really gonna take the words of the GFY crowd? how many of the people that supported CCBill in here even have a paysite? If your that interested in the court of GFY's opinion, do a search. CCBill has the added advantage of a well known and trusted back end system for your affiliates to use, which means you can bypass the need for additional infrastructure. Epoch offers a similar system its just much newer and not as widely used, but at least its PHP and not crap slow java and isnt nearly as complicated! i think both will waive the $750 fee if you ask very nicely. Personally I'd go with Epoch, I've dealt with both for many years and if i had to choose one thats where id go, for reasons i wont post on a board.

04-17-2009, 01:05 PM	#64
blogsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 208	hands down CCBill

11-09-2009, 01:37 PM	#65
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Epoch was the worst choice I've ever made. We had them as our primary for years and then one of their support guys who we think is a stalker, hit us up demanding the uncensored IDs of two MILFs on one of our sites, claiming they looked young to him. He also demanded uncensored model releases. They were pushing so hard for it and it come from some guy in support, not from anyone up the ladder, we denied his request and kindly asked they visit our place of records, have someone higher up the ladder contact us, or allow us to censor some information that someone could track the model with. Our account was terminated. Now they are cleverly trying to wrap it around communication problems with us and avoiding any issue at all, literally avoiding it, any questions of the IDs or their possible stalker in support. After we pulled the site in question, they STILL wanted the IDs. Too spooky for us. Look to me like they have a problem over there. So unless you want to violate your models privacy and possibly put them in danger from a deranged employee from Epoch, I would not use them.

11-09-2009, 02:18 PM	#68
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Wow, this is an old thread! I'm surprised it was bumped. I went the CCBill route in the end by the way. I am still working on all aspects... http://www.PeckerPass.com/AffiliateJoinPage.html I will have much more up soon!

11-09-2009, 02:25 PM	#69
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	epochs sucks balls.

11-09-2009, 02:36 PM	#72
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Well, since this post is back to the top again, where do you guys stand on SegPay as a second biller, working in conjunction with a primary CCBill affiliate program?

11-09-2009, 02:38 PM	#73
Finike Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austria Posts: 1,581	I swtiched to CCBill 2003 after the GloBill disaster and I am very happy with their service. Use Epoch as secondary processor! __________________ Pregnant, fetish or tit traffic? Promote Lactation Cash, a CCBill based lactation niche program with better signup and rebill ratios! Trade traffic: SexyPix TGP - Milky TGP - Lactation Sex TGP - So Sexy Nylons - Sexy Bra TGP - 6 Fetish Tube - All my traffic trades !

11-23-2009, 10:29 PM	#75
Major (Tom) Noticing Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 29,922	Bottom line epoch converts double as well as ccbill. So do the math from there. Duke __________________ My mother said, to get things done You'd better not mess with Major Tom