Forged Page Rank

[Midnight]

I have been told twice in the last week that my pagerank on www.xxxwhispers.com is forged.

I could use a little help in determining if that is true, how that is possible, and what steps I have to take to fix this. I have spoken to the hosting company and they have no answers.

I would appreciate any help that anyone could provide concerning this matter.

Regards,

Midnight

[Ozarkz]

http://www.checkpagerank.net/index.p...rs.com&links=1


http://www.techpavan.com/2008/11/19/...erank-details/

[Midnight]

The second link you posted attempted to load the Bloodhound.Exploit.196 which my norton stopped. Not sure why you would post that link.

Seriously, I need to know if this page is forged and what I can do about it, how it impacts me and how this could have occurred.

Any help would be appreciated.

Regards,

Midnight

[d-null]

did you just recently propagate the whole site? or are those blog entry dates legit?

it seems really strange to have a pr5 site with every other page and category page in the site as unranked, almost like the site was recently reworked

[Ozarkz]

I am currently on my macbookpro I had no idea that link has a virus.

Use google, seriously.

Do you own this domain?

http://bittraffic.com/

You may just need to wait for the next PR update and your pagerank will drop to what it should be.

[d-null]

forget about those stupid pr checkers, waste of time

[Midnight]

Originally Posted by d-null

did you just recently propagate the whole site? or are those blog entry dates legit?

it seems really strange to have a pr5 site with every other page and category page in the site as unranked, almost like the site was recently reworked

The hosting company lost all of the data for xxxwhispers, so yes, all of the posts were back propogated using RSS feeds from sponsors. The site was offline for a total of three days. They say the registration lapsed and their auto alert system did not notify them. I rebuilt the site using wordpress (it was using drupal before that).

Regards,

Midnight

[Jdoughs]

The domain shows pr3 to me, not pr5.

The site was most likely 301'd to the registrar, to the host, or to another page (that had pr5), during this downtime you mentioned but it looks like they allready have readjusted it if its now showing as a 3 (which I see it as).

EDIT, looking at google cache of the page shows this

http://74.125.95.132/search?sourceid...hispers.com%2F

which is the cache of BitTraffic. Which also has a pr3, which is probably where your page rank of 3 is coming from (forged).

[d-null]

personally, I don't think your Page Rank is forged, it just looks suspicious because you rebuilt your site recently, but I think it is legit

the thing is, you may be in the process of losing some pagerank, hard to say for sure, maybe you recently lost a good backlink or links, but as it is now the PR seems legit to me


one thing to keep in mind is that the PR google is reporting now is just a snapshot of an earlier day, and may be changing since, which will reflect in the next "PR update" by google which seems to happen every few months

you will likely have knowledgable people suspicious of doing linktrades with your site until google catches up in the next pr update, just because of the way it looks now, but don't panic, just continue doing what you are doing and give google some time

unfortunately things like your site crash can be a real bitch with google, as google is all about "trust" and doesn't like drastic changes to entire site structures, but like I said don't panic, just keep working on it and google will come around

good luck with it

[Midnight]

Originally Posted by Ozarkz

I am currently on my macbookpro I had no idea that link has a virus.

Use google, seriously.

Do you own this domain?

http://bittraffic.com/

You may just need to wait for the next PR update and your pagerank will drop to what it should be.

I do not own bittraffic. It was a small site I put together two years ago using drupal, when one of my sponsors recommended I get into blogging. Bittraffic was a site I was using to host an IRC server I owned, which I have since shut down. I just threw them some money and asked them to host the site. I didn't understand blogging at the time and to be honest I totally forgot about the site until someone mentioned to me that it was a PR5. I was completely surprised, but I figured it was because the link lists I tied to a few years ago became popular.

I am not trying to sell ads on this site, or use the PR in any way that I believe is malicious, but I would like to know what the impact on me is and how I can address this.

Midnight

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by Ozarkz

I am currently on my macbookpro I had no idea that link has a virus.

Use google, seriously.

Do you own this domain?

http://bittraffic.com/

You may just need to wait for the next PR update and your pagerank will drop to what it should be.

Note to myself, refresh thread before posting if its been open a few minutes.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

The domain shows pr3 to me, not pr5.

The site was most likely 301'd to the registrar, to the host, or to another page (that had pr5), during this downtime you mentioned but it looks like they allready have readjusted it if its now showing as a 3 (which I see it as).

EDIT, looking at google cache of the page shows this

http://74.125.95.132/search?sourceid...hispers.com%2F

which is the cache of BitTraffic. Which also has a pr3, which is probably where your page rank of 3 is coming from (forged).

interesting, so the pr3 that you and some of the prcheckers is showing is the actual forged one

I still think the pr5 is legit, but it might be on shaky grounds for the next pr update if he has in fact lost any backlinks or changed the internal pages that they were pointing to

[Tempest]

It has to do with the "redirect" when you were down. Not much you can do now except wait it out. Next time pay attention to your domain expiry dates...

[Midnight]

I appreciate all the input, I am not understanding if I have any legal culpability here but the sense I am getting is that I do not from hearing what others are saying.

Midnight

[d-null]

Originally Posted by Midnight

I appreciate all the input, I am not understanding if I have any legal culpability here but the sense I am getting is that I do not from hearing what others are saying.

Midnight

who against? your hosting company for your server going down? Google for reporting an "incorrect" or out of date PR? the people that are accusing you incorrectly of "forging" your page rank??

don't think google is under any obligation to our sites at all, in a blink we can be deindexed completely with PR-unranked for no good reason at all...... would love it if we could get some kind of revenge when shit happens, but not too likely

[Midnight]

Originally Posted by d-null

who against? your hosting company for your server going down? Google for reporting an "incorrect" or out of date PR? the people that are accusing you incorrectly of "forging" your page rank??

don't think google is under any obligation to our sites at all, in a blink we can be deindexed completely with PR-unranked for no good reason at all...... would love it if we could get some kind of revenge when shit happens, but not too likely

No, I meant on my part, me having legal culpability for having a forged page rank, not google or any other outside source.

Midnight

[Jdoughs]

The site has no real backlinks (some in yahoo) , not enough to give it that high of a rank, it may be a 3, but either way it will reset itself on the next update. (apparently it allready is if it still showing as a 5 to some).

[Korban]

why would anyone forge a pr3?

[omgt]

yes i told you and you just tried BULLSHITTING your way out of it, THREE DAYS later it went from a pr 5 to a pr3

Originally Posted by Midnight

I have been told twice in the last week that my pagerank on www.xxxwhispers.com is forged.




"I could use a little help in determining if that is true"

i not only told you it was fake pagerank but showed you the evidence.
a 3 year old would have seen that it was not a pr5, without all the evidence i sent you and you tried bullshitting your way out of it.

didnt work.


and heres some more.
http://www.checkpagerank.net/index.p...rs.com&links=1

"Url: http://bittraffic.com/
Pagerank seems to be forged!"

i told you exactly what had happened and you just tried and bullshitted your way out of it, now you say

"I could use a little help in determining if that is true"
", how that is possible, and what steps I have to take to fix this"

when i told you almost a week ago, and when i sent you the evidence you tried bullshitting your way out of it, when you obviously knew it was fake pagerank in the first place,

now you "could use a little help in determining if that is true"

well part of your bullshitting when i sent you the evidence it was fake pagerank was that you had had "TEN YEARS IN THIS BUSINESS" and IT WAS NOT FAKE PAGERANK, well, a 3 year old has not had 10 years in this business and would have seen it was not a pr5, so your time seems to have been wasted when you think that anyone is going to fall for a link exchange with a "pr5" website with fake pagerank just so that you can increase your pagerank because YOU KNOW ITS NOT A PR5 IN THE FIRST PLACE.

so "could use a little help"

number 1 on the list would be to stop bullshitting.
number 2 get an education.
number 3 when someone sends you multiple items of evidence that your site has fake pagerank dont get aggresive and act tough and give out ridiculous comments like youve been in the business 10 years and its not fake pagerank, because it tends to indicate that you could have spent that "10 years" doing something better. (i.e. mcdonalds springs to mind)
number 4 listen to people (sometimes it helps)
number 5 dont get agitated, aggresive and threaten/bully people when they try and raise relevent issues with you, you just make yourself look silly when that "pr5 website" (with 10 years in the business) is not a pr5 website at all, its fake pr, and now you are asking for "help", and after 10 years in the business you dont even know what fake pr is.

if you really believed that website was a pr5, YOUR SHOE SIZE IS BIGGER THAN YOUR IQ.
no one on the rest of the planet would have thought that was a pr5, within 3 seconds of opening the browser.
so bullying and bullshiting does not seem to outweigh evidence and the blatantly obvious to a 3 year old.


you knew damnwell that that ridiculous "pr5 website" was not a pr5 at all, WHICH IS WHY YOU WANTED OTHER PEOPLE TO LINK TO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

now go back to when i told you it was fake pagerank and carefully consider the comments you made, and after "10 years in the business" you now want "help":1o rglaugh




, how that is possible, and what steps I have to take to fix this. I have spoken to the hosting company and they have no answers.

I would appreciate any help that anyone could provide concerning this matter.

Regards,

Midnight

[d-null]

Originally Posted by omgt

yes i told you and you just tried BULLSHITTING your way out of it, THREE DAYS later it went from a pr 5 to a pr3

um, your "evidence" is pretty lame there, regardless of the true pr in this case

[Midnight]

You know, most of that conversation never took place. you approached me about wanting a link. I apologize that you wasted ten seconds putting a link up and another ten seconds taking one down.

Midnight

[omgt]

http://www.google.com/search?as_lq=www.xxxwhispers.com

none of the pages have a link to the site even in the cached page.
the link in the cached page is to another site


"Checking faked or false Pagerank "
http://www.seologs.com/pr-check/pagerank.html


http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...meta=&aq=f&oq=


http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=uk


http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...ittraffic.com/


the pr is coming from another site, and no its not lame, 3 days later the pr went from pr5 to pr3, (and i did just slightly mention this)


and no i did not put a link up,

"You know, most of that conversation never took place"
bullshitting again. it obviously did.

Originally Posted by d-null

um, your "evidence" is pretty lame there, regardless of the true pr in this case

[Si]

It's PR3
has 41 backlinks
and has an alexa ranking of: 14,245,731
Domain age approx: 2 years, 1 month and 16 days

Note: The Page Rank of this site is Valid

No problems with your site

[omgt]

no its not its a pr5, it says so here
http://www.gfy.com/traffic-trades-gallery-requests/899095-pr5-adult-blog-rebuild-hardlink-trades.html

"and is currently at PR5 ranking"


"I am looking for hard link trades with PR4, PR5 and PR6 blogs. I am hoping to get 5-10 for the main page and any spillover or lower than PR4 ranked sites I will put on a seperate page"

"and PR6 blogs"
"and any spillover or lower than PR4 ranked sites I will put on a seperate page"

just very slightly optimistic.


"has 41 backlinks"
but they are pointing to another site, this doesnt count.

Originally Posted by mobilefun1987

It's PR3
has 41 backlinks
and has an alexa ranking of: 14,245,731
Domain age approx: 2 years, 1 month and 16 days

Note: The Page Rank of this site is Valid

No problems with your site

[$5 submissions]

A little offtopic, but the problem of PR spoofing happens quite with mainstream sites (judging from forum posts about this issue) as well: people buy domains with page rank or spoof the page rank, they build a link directory and get tons of submissions cuz submitters think they are getting listed on a PR 4 or PR 5 directory, the PR sinks, the seller doesn't care because he has a "fully stocked" directory site that he sells for $$$.

[Midnight]

You know, if your going to try and trash my rep, which you have no chance of doing by the way because I have been around too long for you to do that, you should at least copy all of my post and not just pick out the points that make me look like I was trying to fuck you over....

"I shall refrain from any comments concerning the hosting company that lost two years worth of data and design on my PR5 adult blog. I reinstalled wordpress and I have a basic design in place and put a few posts in today. The site has been owned by us since 2007 and is currently at PR5 ranking. I have inserted my 7 longest standing hard links with directories I have been with since the day the site opened."

I posted that I needed help, that I felt I had a good PR ranked site, that my hosting company fucked me, and I turned to people on this board because I wanted to retain any shred of what that page had become. I was basing my statement about PR based on what showed up in my google toolbar. With RSS feeds and the blogging software in Drupal, I looked at that site - maybe - once ever few months. Now, I don't know about you, but I have so many sites that I am not sitting around looking at one site every minute, of every fucking day, and checking my stats every ten seconds, because I have been doing this way too long and I am fucking busy.

I didn't want anything from you, I didn't ask for anything from you, and when you told me my PR was forged I told you I had no need to forge anything and I was affronted that you would suggest that I had to resort to that sort of tactic to further my standing in the community or my ability to earn a living.

I don't need to lie to earn a living, and I am pissed that you are trying to make me out to be a liar, a scammer or some fucking degenerate. I don't need your fucking link, I don't need your fucking shit, and its been three fucking days so can you quit crying and move on with your fucking life.

Midnight

[omgt]

yes its quite common, i know of one site on the top of a VERY high traffic search term on the top of google , it hasnt got fake pr, but the links that google thinks it has, just are not there at all, not long after the cached pages are crawled again the site will go down the serps.

but its just slightly anoying when someone bullshits you into a link exchange,(with a pr5 website) and then when you "ask" them if they are sure its not fake pagerank they just bullshit you again, and then when you prove it to them they bullshit you again, when they knew it never was a pr5 website which is why he wanted to do link exchanges in the first place.

"ive got a website thats got little or no pagerank, no links in google, my server just got hacked, and im blaming the host for it, and all of a sudden my pagerank has increased to a pr5 and my site has taken all the pr from another site on my server - so pr6 websites please link to me so that my pagerank can go up"

it doesnt work does it.

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

A little offtopic, but the problem of PR spoofing happens quite with mainstream sites (judging from forum posts about this issue) as well: people buy domains with page rank or spoof the page rank, they build a link directory and get tons of submissions cuz submitters think they are getting listed on a PR 4 or PR 5 directory, the PR sinks, the seller doesn't care because he has a "fully stocked" directory site that he sells for $$$.

[Si]

Originally Posted by omgt

no its not its a pr5, it says so here
http://www.gfy.com/traffic-trades-gallery-requests/899095-pr5-adult-blog-rebuild-hardlink-trades.html

"and is currently at PR5 ranking"


"I am looking for hard link trades with PR4, PR5 and PR6 blogs. I am hoping to get 5-10 for the main page and any spillover or lower than PR4 ranked sites I will put on a seperate page"

"and PR6 blogs"
"and any spillover or lower than PR4 ranked sites I will put on a seperate page"

just very slightly optimistic.


"has 41 backlinks"
but they are pointing to another site, this doesnt count.

All I see is xxxwhispers.com has a PR of 3. and it shows as Valid when I checked it.

but,

Sounds like there is more to it in the thread you pointed out though.

[Forest]

DUDe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what the fuck is up man

I msgd you back and never heard back

Good to see you alive and kicking

[Midnight]

Frosty, you salty old fuck, how the hell are you? How was the skiing in aspen?

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Midnight

Frosty, you salty old fuck, how the hell are you? How was the skiing in aspen?

i dont know about aspen but Utah was amazing

18 inches of powder the first day then spring conditions the rest of the trip. was thinking about going back out end of the month. they will be skiing into June easy.

things are good. Business is up and im getting married sometime this year (if we can ever agree on a house to buy LOL)

hows everything on your end man?

[omgt]

btw, no hard feelings
and if you want your site up to a pr 5
let me know and i'll sort it.

Originally Posted by Midnight

Frosty, you salty old fuck, how the hell are you? How was the skiing in aspen?

[Midnight]

Well, Kandi got the house on the beach in florida and I am in the great pacific northwest working on a mainstream project. I will hit you up on icq and give you my new numbers.

[omgt]

and if you want to get rid of the fake pagerank etc
all you need to do is clean your server out.


get rid of the corrupted files.

[ExLust]

Originally Posted by mobilefun1987

It's PR3
has 41 backlinks
and has an alexa ranking of: 14,245,731
Domain age approx: 2 years, 1 month and 16 days

Note: The Page Rank of this site is Valid

No problems with your site

[sandman!]

2 people in the same day ?

LOL

[d-null]

Originally Posted by omgt

and if you want to get rid of the fake pagerank etc
all you need to do is clean your server out.


get rid of the corrupted files.

your use of the "link:" search on google should be used with caution, it does show that google at some time got redirected on this one, but it is wrong to assume that the "link:" search is any kind of current real snapshot of what is going on with a domain, I'm not sure where it fits into google's overall scheme but it seems to be way further out of date and out of current reality than any other methods to check google's current "opinion" of a site

there are all kinds of legit pr4 sites that show maybe 1 google "link:" from a pr1 site or even an unranked site, so take the whole "link:" search with a major grain of salt imho

[Denny]

Originally Posted by ExLust

edited---

[Denny]

Originally Posted by mobilefun1987

It's PR3
has 41 backlinks
and has an alexa ranking of: 14,245,731
Domain age approx: 2 years, 1 month and 16 days

Note: The Page Rank of this site is Valid

No problems with your site

bullshit

http://digpagerank.com/index.php?url...com%2F& dc=18

red for fake pagerank

[d-null]

Originally Posted by Denny

bullshit

http://digpagerank.com/index.php?url...com%2F& dc=18

red for fake pagerank

well, if that isn't the end of the argument, if digpagerank.com says so, then we don't need to discuss any of this any further

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by Midnight

I have been told twice in the last week that my pagerank on www.xxxwhispers.com is forged.

I could use a little help in determining if that is true, how that is possible, and what steps I have to take to fix this. I have spoken to the hosting company and they have no answers.

I would appreciate any help that anyone could provide concerning this matter.

Regards,

Midnight

http://www.checkpagerank.net/index.p...m%2F &links=1

Search result from Google for: xxxwhispers.com
Site Title: BitTraffic - Domains, Web Hosting, IRCd, Shell, BNC, Vhost, VPS ...
Url: http://bittraffic.com/
Pagerank seems to be forged!

Search result from Google for: www.xxxwhispers.com
Site Title: BitTraffic - Domains, Web Hosting, IRCd, Shell, BNC, Vhost, VPS ...
Url: http://bittraffic.com/
Pagerank seems to be forged!

[Denny]

Originally Posted by d-null

well, if that isn't the end of the argument, if digpagerank.com says so, then we don't need to discuss any of this any further

sure

[Denny]

Originally Posted by omgt

no its not its a pr5, it says so here
http://www.gfy.com/traffic-trades-gallery-requests/899095-pr5-adult-blog-rebuild-hardlink-trades.html

"and is currently at PR5 ranking"


"I am looking for hard link trades with PR4, PR5 and PR6 blogs. I am hoping to get 5-10 for the main page and any spillover or lower than PR4 ranked sites I will put on a seperate page"

"and PR6 blogs"
"and any spillover or lower than PR4 ranked sites I will put on a seperate page"

just very slightly optimistic.


"has 41 backlinks"
but they are pointing to another site, this doesnt count.