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JFK · 04-20-2009, 12:17 PM

200 Tubes making Money

PornNewz · 04-20-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

You are a idiot. Your post proves that. So everyone that sales add spots on their sites if their traffic was so good they wouldn't sell it right? ANYONE who says "If a traffic sellers traffic was good he would not sell it" is a complete idiot. Just another example of uninformed , think they know everything but know very little wanabes.

ok

I'm sure you're just killing it right now. haha. You may have had some decent traffic in the past (3-5 years ago), but we all know your shitty traffic doesn't convert anymore. Keep trying to sell yourself.

Snake Doctor · 04-20-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

You missed the point completely..

The other guy loses $100 because it's his content that is stolen and used to make the $1.

While Choker may not use stolen videos on his own sites, he sure as hell sells traffic to the illegal sites that do offer stolen videos.

No you are missing the point completely.

Even if we took copyright infringement off the table completely. If a big tube gave away 5 DVDs a day, plus user created content (that's about $200/day in content at today's rates, or about 10% of their hosting bill, so totally doable), you guys bitching would still complain they're ruining the industry....because they moved your cheese.

BV · 04-20-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Your doing so good you can spend 5 hours a day on GFY bitching about how tube sites are destroying your life right? LOL. You are entertaining I'll give you that.

Funny how you have such a low opinion of me now and less than a year ago you approached me on icq and wanted to rent and share an office with me.

Wow, the tables have turned.

Choker · 04-20-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

You missed the point completely..

The other guy loses $100 because it's his content that is stolen and used to make the $1.

While Choker may not use stolen videos on his own sites, he sure as hell sells traffic to the illegal sites that do offer stolen videos. Meaning he makes the $1 while helping fuck over the other guy and costing him the $100.

Choker is part of the chain that is fucking this industry over and screwing us all. Traffic sellers like Choker destroyed the TGP/MGP traffic pool, now he's on to do the same for paysites.

Watch your mouth Crockett. I know you have a hard on for me as it is, but you really need to watch the accusations here, read the board rules. Also a little thing called DMCA. You have been warned my friend.

PornNewz · 04-20-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

No you are missing the point completely.

Even if we took copyright infringement off the table completely. If a big tube gave away 5 DVDs a day, plus user created content (that's about $200/day in content at today's rates, or about 10% of their hosting bill, so totally doable), you guys bitching would still complain they're ruining the industry....because they moved your cheese.

It's not that they're moving the cheese, it's that they're killing all the cows.

Choker · 04-20-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

Funny how you have such a low opinion of me now and less than a year ago you approached me on icq and wanted to rent and share an office with me.

Wow, the tables have turned.

Dude your the one that is calling me a lier on my post and the fact that you know jack shit about tube sites puts you in the "I don't know shit about anything but I act like I know everything" category. Your business is failing because you fail to adopt, instead you piss and whine on GFY for 5 hours a day. If people are not buying porn sell something else. Whining and crying about tube sites gets what done for you? NOTHING

crockett · 04-20-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

No you are missing the point completely.

Even if we took copyright infringement off the table completely. If a big tube gave away 5 DVDs a day, plus user created content (that's about $200/day in content at today's rates, or about 10% of their hosting bill, so totally doable), you guys bitching would still complain they're ruining the industry....because they moved your cheese.

No one would visit a tube site that was filled with crap bargain bin content unless they were circle jerked there. The only reason the big illegal tubes get the traffic they do, is because they steal quality content from others. They also get a very "small" percentage of real amateur content.

Chokers sites are all an example of this, they are filled with bargin bin shit and you don't see them in the top of the SE listings now do you? Not to mention he has to trade traffic to get any traffic to them.

If the surfers liked his style of tube over the illegal tubes then he would be right up there with pornhub and tube8 , ect..ect.. Don't see that now do you..

Choker · 04-20-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PornNewz

ok

I'm sure you're just killing it right now. haha. You may have had some decent traffic in the past (3-5 years ago), but we all know your shitty traffic doesn't convert anymore. Keep trying to sell yourself.

Where in this thread have i tried to sell myself? I got news for you buddy I sell every single hit of traffic I have. I didn't make this post in a attempt to drum up business, and I dont care if you believe me or not. GFY used to be fun, now it's 90% being phased out of business becasue they can't adopt losers. Exceptions noted of course.

crockett · 04-20-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Watch your mouth Crockett. I know you have a hard on for me as it is, but you really need to watch the accusations here, read the board rules. Also a little thing called DMCA. You have been warned my friend.

I said nothing that you haven't said before... I know you have a hard on for me because you know I'm speaking the truth.

JustDaveXxx · 04-20-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

You missed the point completely..

The other guy loses $100 because it's his content that is stolen and used to make the $1.

While Choker may not use stolen videos on his own sites, he sure as hell sells traffic to the illegal sites that do offer stolen videos. Meaning he makes the $1 while helping fuck over the other guy and costing him the $100.

Choker is part of the chain that is fucking this industry over and screwing us all. Traffic sellers like Choker destroyed the TGP/MGP traffic pool, now he's on to do the same for paysites.

Well summed up.

wheat · 04-20-2009, 01:03 PM

If the concept of giving away more free porn = more money held true, nobody would be making a dime off photo sites now.

Snake Doctor · 04-20-2009, 01:03 PM

What's really hilarious about this thread is that a guy who owns alot of tube sites, and personally knows alot of tube site owners, says a few things about tube sites and how they make money etc.

Then, a shitload of people who don't own tube sites and don't know anyone who does, come in here and tell him he's an idiot, he can't be right, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Welcome to GFY.

BV · 04-20-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

What's really hilarious about this thread is that a guy who owns alot of tube sites, and personally knows alot of tube site owners, says a few things about tube sites and how they make money etc.

Then, a shitload of people who don't own tube sites and don't know anyone who does, come in here and tell him he's an idiot, he can't be right, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Welcome to GFY.

and where do you fit in?

BFT3K · 04-20-2009, 01:19 PM

Semi-unrelated: How did the "420" thing come about? I think Hitler was born on April 20th, but how does that reference weed in any way?

Just wondering....

Choker · 04-20-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

What's really hilarious about this thread is that a guy who owns alot of tube sites, and personally knows alot of tube site owners, says a few things about tube sites and how they make money etc.

Then, a shitload of people who don't own tube sites and don't know anyone who does, come in here and tell him he's an idiot, he can't be right, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Welcome to GFY.

Thank you that pretty much sums everything up. I used to make posts here all the time about methods I discovered with the sole purpose of just trying to help others out. I see you can't do that anymore on GFY. GFY is just not the same anymore. Every dollar anyone makes on the internet is taking a dollar away from another webmaster. That's the way it is, always has been, and always will be. TRUST ME I wished the clock could be turned back and the word "tube" never existed, of course I made money much easier before they ever came along. Others can be foolish and go down with the ship but I have a family to feed and I will do whatever it takes short of stealing to take care of my family. ONE MORE TIME If porn is not selling so good anymore sell something else. Is this too complicated of a concept for people to understand? I guess it is. LOL

Snake Doctor · 04-20-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Chokers sites are all an example of this, they are filled with bargin bin shit and you don't see them in the top of the SE listings now do you?

Oh damn, I didn't realize that google checked the price paid for your content before assigning rankings.

crockett · 04-20-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Oh damn, I didn't realize that google checked the price paid for your content before assigning rankings.

Price is irrelevant.. Bargain Bin, as I refer to it is non exclusive and sold to many people making it saturated. It may still cost a lot or a little, but it's just a generic term to refer to non exclusive content that tends to get over sold.

The term has no relevance on the content quality or price, just the fact that it's not exclusive and is usually oversold.

BFT3K · 04-20-2009, 01:44 PM

This is now the 2,876th tube-related post here on GFY. Now we finally have all of the facts, so we can finally move on!

How did I determine that this is the 2,876th tube-related post you might ask? Simple, I just made it up, like most of the statistics posted here on GFY!

Good luck!

Snake Doctor · 04-20-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

This is now the 2,876th tube-related post here on GFY. Now we finally have all of the facts, so we can finally move on!

How did I determine that this is the 2,876th tube-related post you might ask? Simple, I just made it up, like most of the statistics posted here on GFY!

Good luck!

68.7% of statistics are made up on the spot.

43.4% of people know this.

BFT3K · 04-20-2009, 02:56 PM

This should clear the air...

There was once a group of Biostatisticians and a group of Epidemiologists riding together on a train to joint meetings. All the Epidemiologists had tickets, but the Biostatisticians only had one ticket between them. Inquisitive by nature, the Epidemiologists asked the Biostatisticians how they were going to get away with such a small sample of tickets when the conductor came through. The Biostatisticians said, "Easy. We have methods for dealing with that." Later, when the conductor came to punch tickets, all the Biostatisticians slipped quietly into the bathroom. When the conductor knocked on the door, the head Biostatistician slipped their one ticket under the door thoroughly fooling the layman conductor. After the joint meetings were over, the Biostatisticians and the Epidemiologists again found themselves on the same train. Always quick to catch on, the Epidemiologists had purchased one ticket between them. The Biostatisticians (always on the cutting edge) had purchased NO tickets for the trip home. Confused, the Epidemiologists asked the Biostatisticians "We understand how your methods worked when you had one ticket, but how can you possibly get away with no tickets?" "Easy," replied the Biostatisticians smugly, "we have different methods for dealing with that situation." Later, when the conductor was in the next car, all the Epidemiologists trotted off to the bathroom with their one ticket and all the Biostatisticians packed into the other bathroom. Shortly, the head Biostatistician crept over to where the Epidemiologists were hiding and knocked authoritatively on the door. As they had been instructed, the Epidemiologists slipped their one ticket under the door. The head Biostatistician took the Epidemiologists' one and only ticket and returned triumphantly to the Biostatistician group. Of course, the Epidemiologists were subsequently discovered and publicly humiliated.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Do not use statistical methods unless you understand the principles behind them.

PornNewz · 04-20-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

This should clear the air...

There was once a group of Biostatisticians and a group of Epidemiologists riding together on a train to joint meetings. All the Epidemiologists had tickets, but the Biostatisticians only had one ticket between them. Inquisitive by nature, the Epidemiologists asked the Biostatisticians how they were going to get away with such a small sample of tickets when the conductor came through. The Biostatisticians said, "Easy. We have methods for dealing with that." Later, when the conductor came to punch tickets, all the Biostatisticians slipped quietly into the bathroom. When the conductor knocked on the door, the head Biostatistician slipped their one ticket under the door thoroughly fooling the layman conductor. After the joint meetings were over, the Biostatisticians and the Epidemiologists again found themselves on the same train. Always quick to catch on, the Epidemiologists had purchased one ticket between them. The Biostatisticians (always on the cutting edge) had purchased NO tickets for the trip home. Confused, the Epidemiologists asked the Biostatisticians "We understand how your methods worked when you had one ticket, but how can you possibly get away with no tickets?" "Easy," replied the Biostatisticians smugly, "we have different methods for dealing with that situation." Later, when the conductor was in the next car, all the Epidemiologists trotted off to the bathroom with their one ticket and all the Biostatisticians packed into the other bathroom. Shortly, the head Biostatistician crept over to where the Epidemiologists were hiding and knocked authoritatively on the door. As they had been instructed, the Epidemiologists slipped their one ticket under the door. The head Biostatistician took the Epidemiologists' one and only ticket and returned triumphantly to the Biostatistician group. Of course, the Epidemiologists were subsequently discovered and publicly humiliated.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Do not use statistical methods unless you understand the principles behind them.

Rui · 04-20-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

This thread is a fucking joke.

Full length clips increase sales. lol

How fucking stupid do u have to be to believe that?

hahaha

If he made 0 sales and then 1 (even if its 1:5000) its still a increase

Catch my drift?

TTiger · 04-20-2009, 03:23 PM

bookmarked

Janak · 04-20-2009, 03:31 PM

I am signing up for this thread. Where do I pay.

gideongallery · 04-20-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

No you are missing the point completely.

Even if we took copyright infringement off the table completely. If a big tube gave away 5 DVDs a day, plus user created content (that's about $200/day in content at today's rates, or about 10% of their hosting bill, so totally doable), you guys bitching would still complain they're ruining the industry....because they moved your cheese.

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Originally Posted by PornNewz

It's not that they're moving the cheese, it's that they're killing all the cows.

you just proved his point perfectly with that complaint.

fatfoo · 04-20-2009, 06:25 PM

Pretty nice theory. Sounds correct.

BFT3K · 04-20-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fatfoo

Pretty nice theory. Sounds correct.

Based upon the title of the book in your avatar, I totally agree with you!

Brad Mitchell · 04-20-2009, 07:08 PM

All of you with the illusion that Choker is either incorrect or unsuccessful really have your asses handed to you right here. He's at the top of his game, working hard every day and most of you could learn many things from him.

So says the host.

Brad

BV · 04-20-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

All of you with the illusion that Choker is either incorrect or unsuccessful really have your asses handed to you right here. He's at the top of his game, working hard every day and most of you could learn many things from him.

So says the host.

Brad

not the host, his host

what exactly are we supposed to learn?

the only thing he's teaching is to quit selling adult content and to just give it away for free

that's a brilliant fucking plan right there

if everyone did that what do you think would happen?

Brad Mitchell · 04-20-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

not the host, his host

what exactly are we supposed to learn?

the only thing he's teaching is to quit selling adult content and to just give it away for free

that's a brilliant fucking plan right there

if everyone did that what do you think would happen?

Yes, his host. Also host to hundreds of other adult companies which includes the gamut of pay sites, free sites, live cams, content producers, advertising brokers, etc. You and most that are disagreeing so wildly are only hearing what you want to hear instead of all that is being said. The question you're posing isn't the question at hand and neither is your synopsis of what he is suggesting. If you want to really discuss the topic more and get something out of it, re-read and ask some smart questions.

Brad

Choker · 04-20-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

not the host, his host

what exactly are we supposed to learn?

the only thing he's teaching is to quit selling adult content and to just give it away for free

that's a brilliant fucking plan right there

if everyone did that what do you think would happen?

I actually prefer you keep doing what your doing, less competetion for me. If you were geting more signups this month than last month then you wouldnt be bitching about what I and thousands of others are doing. I'm giving away free porn to advertise and sell both porn and other products. I saw the decline in income and took action and changed my business model, there are two types of webmasters, those that change with the market and those that cling to the sinking ship blaming others for thier decline, which are you? One more time maybe it will sink in your head this time

IF PORN MEMBERSHIPS ARE NOT SELLING SO GOOD ANYMORE USE YOUR PORN TO SELL OTHER PRODUCTS. Get it that time? I doubt it.

BFT3K · 04-20-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

IF PORN MEMBERSHIPS ARE NOT SELLING SO GOOD ANYMORE USE YOUR PORN TO SELL OTHER PRODUCTS.

I am selling Rolling Rulers now...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q1BK3WVOSkg

Buy the ruler for $29.95* and get a 1 month access to PeckerPass.com FREE**!

* You must be 18 or older to buy a Rolling Ruler.

** FREE memberships rebill monthly at $24.95

Snake Doctor · 04-20-2009, 08:47 PM

Well said Brad.

My last post in this thread, cause I'm wasting too much time on GFY today....

Those of you who don't like tubes and what they've done to the business shouldn't think that people like Choker actually like what has happened. He probably doesn't....but he also realizes that sitting around and bitching about it isn't making him any money....and making 20% of something is better than making 60% of nothing.

That's pretty much how I feel about it.
I wish it could be 2002 again also, but it's not, and having pity parties on GFY every day over tube sites isn't going to pay anyone's rent.

BV · 04-20-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

I actually prefer you keep doing what your doing, less competetion for me. If you were geting more signups this month than last month then you wouldnt be bitching about what I and thousands of others are doing. I'm giving away free porn to advertise and sell both porn and other products. I saw the decline in income and took action and changed my business model, there are two types of webmasters, those that change with the market and those that cling to the sinking ship blaming others for thier decline, which are you? One more time maybe it will sink in your head this time

IF PORN MEMBERSHIPS ARE NOT SELLING SO GOOD ANYMORE USE YOUR PORN TO SELL OTHER PRODUCTS. Get it that time? I doubt it.

I heard you from the start, but i must admit, i don't understand, the math doesn't add up for me.

Tell me if this is what you mean:

You want me to start a tube site and give away all my exclusive content. I will then start to make money by up selling the hd version of my clips and maybe some dating and cam sites and whatever else I can find.

Is this the new master plan?

I don't think that is going to work for me.

Seriously.

BFT3K · 04-20-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

Is this the new master plan?

YES! YES! You are finally understanding the way it works!

Choker works very hard selling traffic spots for example. Soon, in order to make WAAAY more money, he will begin offering those spots for FREE! Don't you see?

Snake Doctor sells hosting (I think). Same thing: he works hard at what he does, but in the new "adapt or die" environment, he will soon be offering 100% FREE HOSTING, to increase his sales, and compete.

Free is the new Profit. Get it now?

stever · 04-20-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

I heard you from the start, but i must admit, i don't understand, the math doesn't add up for me.

Tell me if this is what you mean:

You want me to start a tube site and give away all my exclusive content. I will then start to make money by up selling the hd version of my clips and maybe some dating and cam sites and whatever else I can find.

Is this the new master plan?

I don't think that is going to work for me.

Seriously.

Imagine that! Your tube would have exclusive content which would get a shitload more bookmarkers than all those tubes with that stale licensed or stale stolen content!

You will have like a trillion daily visitors!

BV · 04-20-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

YES! YES! You are finally understanding the way it works!

Choker works very hard selling traffic spots for example. Soon, in order to make WAAAY more money, he will begin offering those spots for FREE! Don't you see?

Snake Doctor sells hosting (I think). Same thing: he works hard at what he does, but in the new "adapt or die" environment, he will soon be offering 100% FREE HOSTING, to increase his sales, and compete.

Free is the new Profit. Get it now?

Wow! This is some groundbreaking shit!

This might work if I can get all my models and phatservers to go along with it.

BFT3K · 04-20-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stever

Imagine that! Your tube would have exclusive content which would get a shitload more bookmarkers than all those tubes with that stale licensed or stale stolen content!

You will have like a trillion daily visitors!

Whooooah! A trillion daily visitors!?

You're gonna need some serious FREE HOSTING for that kind of bandwidth!

BV · 04-20-2009, 09:49 PM

Special Alert!!!!!

my postcount is now over 10,000

please email my "bro club" application to [email protected]

Choker · 04-20-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

I heard you from the start, but i must admit, i don't understand, the math doesn't add up for me.

Tell me if this is what you mean:

You want me to start a tube site and give away all my exclusive content. I will then start to make money by up selling the hd version of my clips and maybe some dating and cam sites and whatever else I can find.

Is this the new master plan?

I don't think that is going to work for me.

Seriously.

I dont want you to do anything man, nor do i care, i simply made this post to try to enlighten people as to one of the ways tube sites make money, Every day I see the Tube site haters especially you posting non sense about tube sites, you have no idea how they make money but you think you do. FACT is that surfers still buy memberships even after they see the full length movie. If you dont believe I don't care, yeah it goes agaisnt all logic thus I offered my theory of why they do this. You are bitter that tube and torrent sites are taking away from your income, but hey buddy, welcome to the fucking internet. Adopt or die. I'm outa here good luck with whatever you do.

NaughtyRob · 04-20-2009, 10:24 PM

So by this thought process if I put a FULL sized movie on www.grindmycock.com they will like it and join. Hmmm, interesting.

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Originally Posted by Choker

All these tube hating threads are getting so old. All the ideas thrown around about how to destroy them, etc I mean come on guys. Tube sites are making a killing. After almost a year of research I have discovered why surfers that are given so much free porn still sign up and buy a membership. The people who are saying that tube sites traffic is garbage and the surfer never buys anything are the same people who are being laughed at by the big program owners that are buying up every available spot on tube sites.

As webmasters we surf the internet paying close attention to sites designs, methods, etc. For us it's a job. We cannot surf the internet without our webmaster hats on. It's impossible. We forget that most people surf the internet with 90% of their brain turned off.

Surfers are dumb as fuck. They dont pay attention to text much anymore, they are like 4 year olds. Give them a picture book they will spend hours looking at the pics. Give them a text book they lose interest in 5 seconds. Surfers are the same way.

The big programs found a long time ago that putting their full length movies on tube sites and linking to their paysite from it converted surfers. No logic in this right? I mean why the fuck would a surfer pay for a movie he gets for free? 2 reasons

1. People are collecters. They love to collect. The average surfer does not know how to download a flv movie to his computer.

2. Surfers are stupid. When they see a 2 minute clip on a tube site and you got 100 text links around the movie saying "This is a sample clip from the full length movie you can download by clicking here" they still dont see those 100 text links. They think that paysite only has 2 minute movies inside it and they sure as hell are not going to pay for access to two minute movies.

Believe me or not I dont care. I've done my research well on this. Clicks from under full length movies convert 4 times better than clicks from under 2 minute movies.

BV · 04-20-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

2. Surfers are stupid. When they see a 2 minute clip on a tube site and you got 100 text links around the movie saying "This is a sample clip from the full length movie you can download by clicking here" they still dont see those 100 text links. They think that paysite only has 2 minute movies inside it and they sure as hell are not going to pay for access to two minute movies.

I can assure you this is not a factor.

Past history disproves this easily.

You know this, you are in the MGP TGP business also right?

Hell, you can sell full length videos without any promo video at all. I still do it.

I'm sorry, most surfers are not as stupid as you think.

gandalfuy · 04-20-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

Sometimes making sense does not make money...

Sometimes money does not make any sense.

MediaGuy · 04-20-2009, 11:29 PM

So no one sees a correlation between TGPs and Tubes??

:D

Paul Markham · 04-21-2009, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Bwahahahahahahahahha.

It's all over once Paul Marham enters the thread. He's going to "educate" all of us now.

Not a very clever way to try and get some traffic for yourself there idiot.

Thing is, I couldn't sell that shit you're slinging to someone who has never seen porn before, much less anyone who has seen decent porn.

A true test for the sake of testing would have been 100% revshare, not 70%. Besides, Choker (or anyone else with a decent amount of traffic) will look at your site and know off the bat it won't convert or retain.

Also, I can't ever recall ANYONE with half a brain saying your stuff was saturated. We said non exclusive in general was oversaturated, just because 100 or 1000 paysites had it instead of just one....something you always took exception to (because you were trying to sell content), but I've never heard anyone with an IQ over 100 say "That Paul Markham stuff is everywhere, it's so saturated"

This last part is so wrong it displays the level of knowledge you have of this business.

Actually people have said it about my content, so that was your first mistake. But here's your biggest one and unlike you I will explain why you are wrong in the hope you learn. Yes I'm shooting for the stars but others might find it interest.

These are general prices for custom work and yes there are people who pay more and people who pay less. The prices are for a set and video

Solo girl = $300
Lesbian = $1,000
Hardcore BG = $2.000

In a major niche like Teens, Milf, Big Tits, etc there are anything from 1500 to 2,000+ sites. You can correct these numbers if you like.

The problem today and for a long time has been the customers are not signing up to sites after site, a months membership would mean most would join 12 sites a year. Some more and some less. And please don't tell me they sign up to 20 sites or more unless you have some logic to why. But the problem is their attention span, if the log in and download the entire site they will not be joining another for a long time. The business would not be in the state it is if they were.

So, these are the numbers you have to sell a scene to put it on 10% of the "Teen" sites on the Net. They would have to sell 200 times, or go on two hundred sites.

Solo Girl scene @ $40 x 200 = $8,000.

So why do custom shooters sell it for $300? Even 20 sales would make $800, which is about right.

Now if you sell is 200 times for $2 you still make $400, which is better than $300. And you still OWN the content. If you buy it for $2 you should expect it to be saturated.

So why do so many good shooters like Max Candy shoot custom?
Because non exclusive does not sell as well as people have been lying about for years. Be it me or a lot of others. The entire concept of "saturated" was sold to make affiliates think it was special. It's not.

As for Astral Blue converting and retaining I have absolutely no idea what you base your assumptions on. Maybe you could tell us. It does convert and it does retain. Because it appeals mostly to men over 40, they don't like Torrents, it's a unique mix they can't get anywhere else. If that's wrong some links to a site with 80s/90s videos shot in the UK would be nice.

The problem with this business is too many thought "exclusive" was the key and then produced the crap at cut prices that was on 100s of other sites. Now everyone is blaming Tubes, Torrent or what ever for the customers not buying. If the only avenue you have to sell is forcing customers to buy you are in the wrong.

100% rev share, will put it to Choker when he contacts me. Which is not likely. He was spamming his traffic and we all know that.

stever · 04-21-2009, 06:17 AM

choker don't you mean adapt?
just wondering because you keep writing adopt every time

Snake Doctor · 04-21-2009, 06:21 AM

For the sake of full disclosure, I do not sell hosting.

I just have a cool host in my sig.

Paul, if you think I'm going to read that drivel you responded with you're nuts. You don't have anything to say that's worth hearing. I just couldn't stop laughing at your lame ass attempt to get Choker to promote you, so I responded to that.

Rest assured I make it a point to not read your posts whenever possible, so addressing them to me is a waste of your not-very-valuable time.

BFT3K · 04-21-2009, 11:37 AM

No one's gonna make any money on the web soon, tube or not, if credit cards dry up...

http://redtape.msnbc.com/2009/04/the-credit-card.html

I've already had friends tell me their banks are dropping their credit lines like crazy. One friend had a card that went from a line of over $20k down to $500!

JFK · 04-21-2009, 11:52 AM

dayumn this thread's got legs

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04-20-2009, 01:03 PM	#212
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04-20-2009, 01:03 PM	#213
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04-20-2009, 01:19 PM	#215
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04-20-2009, 01:44 PM	#219
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	This is now the 2,876th tube-related post here on GFY. Now we finally have all of the facts, so we can finally move on! How did I determine that this is the 2,876th tube-related post you might ask? Simple, I just made it up, like most of the statistics posted here on GFY! Good luck!

04-20-2009, 02:56 PM	#221
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	This should clear the air... There was once a group of Biostatisticians and a group of Epidemiologists riding together on a train to joint meetings. All the Epidemiologists had tickets, but the Biostatisticians only had one ticket between them. Inquisitive by nature, the Epidemiologists asked the Biostatisticians how they were going to get away with such a small sample of tickets when the conductor came through. The Biostatisticians said, "Easy. We have methods for dealing with that." Later, when the conductor came to punch tickets, all the Biostatisticians slipped quietly into the bathroom. When the conductor knocked on the door, the head Biostatistician slipped their one ticket under the door thoroughly fooling the layman conductor. After the joint meetings were over, the Biostatisticians and the Epidemiologists again found themselves on the same train. Always quick to catch on, the Epidemiologists had purchased one ticket between them. The Biostatisticians (always on the cutting edge) had purchased NO tickets for the trip home. Confused, the Epidemiologists asked the Biostatisticians "We understand how your methods worked when you had one ticket, but how can you possibly get away with no tickets?" "Easy," replied the Biostatisticians smugly, "we have different methods for dealing with that situation." Later, when the conductor was in the next car, all the Epidemiologists trotted off to the bathroom with their one ticket and all the Biostatisticians packed into the other bathroom. Shortly, the head Biostatistician crept over to where the Epidemiologists were hiding and knocked authoritatively on the door. As they had been instructed, the Epidemiologists slipped their one ticket under the door. The head Biostatistician took the Epidemiologists' one and only ticket and returned triumphantly to the Biostatistician group. Of course, the Epidemiologists were subsequently discovered and publicly humiliated. MORAL OF THE STORY: Do not use statistical methods unless you understand the principles behind them.

04-20-2009, 06:25 PM	#227
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04-20-2009, 07:08 PM	#229
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04-20-2009, 08:47 PM	#234
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04-21-2009, 06:17 AM	#247
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04-21-2009, 06:21 AM	#248
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	For the sake of full disclosure, I do not sell hosting. I just have a cool host in my sig. Paul, if you think I'm going to read that drivel you responded with you're nuts. You don't have anything to say that's worth hearing. I just couldn't stop laughing at your lame ass attempt to get Choker to promote you, so I responded to that. Rest assured I make it a point to not read your posts whenever possible, so addressing them to me is a waste of your not-very-valuable time. __________________ sig too big

04-21-2009, 11:37 AM	#249
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	No one's gonna make any money on the web soon, tube or not, if credit cards dry up... http://redtape.msnbc.com/2009/04/the-credit-card.html I've already had friends tell me their banks are dropping their credit lines like crazy. One friend had a card that went from a line of over $20k down to $500!

04-21-2009, 11:52 AM	#250
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