Average waiting time in Quebec's Emergency is up to 17 hours... - GoFuckYourself.com

Jman · 05-26-2009, 12:32 PM

Yay for FREE Health Care

If we had the US population then it would probably be 1 week wait... Fuck our system is fucked up.

JFK · 05-26-2009, 12:35 PM

I hope I wont get sick there

After Shock Media · 05-26-2009, 12:36 PM

I can deal with the broken US system of 30 minutes to be seen urgent care and faster ER in my area.

Longest wait I ever had was 18 hours and technically I was seen in the first hour, just was sitting in the ER rooms for many of those before being transported to another hospital and then eventually getting a bed.

05-26-2009, 12:38 PM

The ER hear is usually around 5 to 8 hours. They do check your temp and vitals while you are waiting to be called.

Blazed · 05-26-2009, 12:39 PM

Average in the UK is 4 hours.

BradM · 05-26-2009, 12:40 PM

I have only needed the ER twice in my life. In Canada the wait was 3 hours.
When I had colitis my wait in the US ER was 8 minutes.

Martin · 05-26-2009, 12:41 PM

People going to the Hospital when they get a cold is the biggest problem but lets face it, it's better free then having none what so ever. In America if you don't have the money you get ZERO treatment and they let you die. Or in China they let you die so they harvest your organs.lol. It's not that bad here.

05-26-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

People going to the Hospital when they get a cold is the biggest problem but lets face it, it's better free then having none what so ever. In America if you don't have the money you get ZERO treatment and they let you die. Or in China they let you die so they harvest your organs.lol. It's not that bad here.

That is not true. You get treatment in the US even if you do not have health insurance or money. The rest of us have to pay it.

Twistys Tim · 05-26-2009, 12:45 PM

I read a study of ER waiting times they did in Ontario, and they found that many of the people who wait end up going home -- which would indicate that it was not an emergency.

I some ways, a long wait is a good thing as it separates those who are actually sick and in need of seeing a doctor -- and those that have a sore knee, or a headache, etc. and will go home rather than wait.

05-26-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Twistys Tim

I read a study of ER waiting times they did in Ontario, and they found that many of the people who wait end up going home -- which would indicate that it was not an emergency.

I some ways, a long wait is a good thing as it separates those who are actually sick and in need of seeing a doctor -- and those that have a sore knee, or a headache, etc. and will go home rather than wait.

When you first come into the ER do they evaluate you? The hospital I went to they have a nurse check you out and then they give you a rating of 1 to 5. The people with the higher rating are seen first. The rest have to wait.

WhiplashDug · 05-26-2009, 12:49 PM

well - it depends what you are waiting for too - dont ya think? all ER visits are not equal.

And in the US a LARGE part of the ER traffic is uninsured. Since it is illegal for hospitals to turn away patients - people without insurance use the ER system to get seen if they are sick. If you removed those patients from the equation, the wait times in the US would be drastically lower than they are already.

Yes, the US system is flawed, but more so by the Legal profession driving up the costs of health care in the courts. In some states, certain specialties can no longer afford to practice because their insurance premiums are so high. There was a time in America when people were able to just pay cash at the doctor for their medical needs. Not any more.

After Shock Media · 05-26-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

People going to the Hospital when they get a cold is the biggest problem but lets face it, it's better free then having none what so ever. In America if you don't have the money you get ZERO treatment and they let you die. Or in China they let you die so they harvest your organs.lol. It's not that bad here.

Many hospitals now have both an ER and an Urgent care area. Got a boo boo, cold, or broke your finger - Urgent care, having a heart attack etc - ER. Works out very well and people that need to be seen quickly are.

Also in America if you do not have the money, you get treated. If you are without any insurance (state, medicare, private) then you may get turfed after the ER treatment and you are stabilized enough to leave.

WarChild · 05-26-2009, 12:51 PM

Well you have to remember that Quebec is a "have not" province, so what do you expect? It's going to be worse there than most places.

Blazed · 05-26-2009, 12:52 PM

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That is not true. You get treatment in the US even if you do not have health insurance or money. The rest of us have to pay it.

So things have dramatically changed since the making of Sicko?

After Shock Media · 05-26-2009, 12:53 PM

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So things have dramatically changed since the making of Sicko?

Has been that way long before sicko.

WhiplashDug · 05-26-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Twistys Tim

I read a study of ER waiting times they did in Ontario, and they found that many of the people who wait end up going home -- which would indicate that it was not an emergency.

I some ways, a long wait is a good thing as it separates those who are actually sick and in need of seeing a doctor -- and those that have a sore knee, or a headache, etc. and will go home rather than wait.

lol.. logic like this is why many Americans need to fight to keep the government out of health care!

.. ie.. better to go home cause it's just a headache. why waste the governments time and money treating a headache... unless of course it's a symptom of a much larger problem, like um... a tumor?

Bryan G · 05-26-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

People going to the Hospital when they get a cold is the biggest problem but lets face it, it's better free then having none what so ever. In America if you don't have the money you get ZERO treatment and they let you die. Or in China they let you die so they harvest your organs.lol. It's not that bad here.

Martins right, it is idiots that go with a cold that make the wait long. If you are having a heart attack you wont be waiting.

My dad was sick a few months ago, nothing serious but serious enough they took him in asap and was treated.

WarChild · 05-26-2009, 12:56 PM

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So things have dramatically changed since the making of Sicko?

Well let's just say Mr. Moore doesn't always present the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Just in the same way as you can't actually walk out of a bank with a gun after opening an account there, the Oregeon highway patrol is not responsible for patroling the shores but rather that coast guard is and other minor deceptions are presented by Moore.

Sly · 05-26-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

People going to the Hospital when they get a cold is the biggest problem but lets face it, it's better free then having none what so ever. In America if you don't have the money you get ZERO treatment and they let you die. Or in China they let you die so they harvest your organs.lol. It's not that bad here.

In America they let you die if you have no money?

Uh, sorry pal... no, they don't.

WarChild · 05-26-2009, 12:57 PM

No hospital in the United States just "lets you die". Some of you are amazingly naive.

After Shock Media · 05-26-2009, 12:59 PM

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No hospital in the United States just "lets you die". Some of you are amazingly naive.

Well a couple have but those are isolated incidents and not the norm.
Just want to prevent someone from pulling up the rare video or story of an ER allowing someone to die in the waiting room.

Sly · 05-26-2009, 12:59 PM

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So things have dramatically changed since the making of Sicko?

He is a man with an agenda. I wouldn't believe everything he says as fact.

Every documentary has an agenda. There is no unbiased documentary.

Blazed · 05-26-2009, 01:00 PM

http://www.iom.edu/CMS/3809/4660/17632.aspx

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Lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States. Although America leads the world in spending on health care, it is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage.

WarChild · 05-26-2009, 01:01 PM

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Well a couple have but those are isolated incidents and not the norm.
Just want to prevent someone from pulling up the rare video or story of an ER allowing someone to die in the waiting room.

Of course there's odd ball occurences here and there. It's happened in Canada where people have died in the waiting room waiting for care in the ER but it certainly not the norm.

I would guess that most people who are not Americans have no idea that there is even such a thing as a County Hospital.

pornguy · 05-26-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiplashDug

well - it depends what you are waiting for too - dont ya think? all ER visits are not equal.

And in the US a LARGE part of the ER traffic is uninsured. Since it is illegal for hospitals to turn away patients - people without insurance use the ER system to get seen if they are sick. If you removed those patients from the equation, the wait times in the US would be drastically lower than they are already.

Yes, the US system is flawed, but more so by the Legal profession driving up the costs of health care in the courts. In some states, certain specialties can no longer afford to practice because their insurance premiums are so high. There was a time in America when people were able to just pay cash at the doctor for their medical needs. Not any more.

Shit not only that. You should see the increase of Kids that are brought in on Thursday evening and Friday morning and then picked up on Late Sunday night or Monday morning. LOts of the Welfare people use it as a baby sitting service.

Sly · 05-26-2009, 01:02 PM

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http://www.iom.edu/CMS/3809/4660/17632.aspx

There is a difference between unnecessary deaths and the ER turning away someone dying on their doorsteps because they don't have a Blue Cross card.

WarChild · 05-26-2009, 01:02 PM

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http://www.iom.edu/CMS/3809/4660/17632.aspx

That's not 18,000 people showing up in the Hospital and being turned away to die on the street.

IllTestYourGirls · 05-26-2009, 01:05 PM

They dont let you fucking die. Jesus christ some people are fucking stupid. My brother had something burst in his head, it filled with blood. He had no health insurance and he makes to much to get state help. The final bill was around $150,000 and paid it the old fashion way. The hospital will not just let you die.

Bryan G · 05-26-2009, 01:07 PM

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They dont let you fucking die. Jesus christ some people are fucking stupid. My brother had something burst in his head, it filled with blood. He had no health insurance and he makes to much to get state help. The final bill was around $150,000 and paid it the old fashion way. The hospital will not just let you die.

AS he he has to take a loan out and pay it off over 20 years?

Twistys Tim · 05-26-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiplashDug

lol.. logic like this is why many Americans need to fight to keep the government out of health care!

.. ie.. better to go home cause it's just a headache. why waste the governments time and money treating a headache... unless of course it's a symptom of a much larger problem, like um... a tumor?

If you have a headache, which will not go away -- the best place to start is to go to your family doctor. If they are concerned, they will book you in to see a specialist. If I had a persistent headache, I would not go to an ER, I would go to a walk-in clinic.

The same as if I had a sore knee, I would go to an ER. But if I had chest pains, and tingling / numbness in my arms and hands -- I would go to the ER (via ambulance).

An emergency room, by definition, is for emergencies (broken arm, chest pains, head injuries, etc.). I think that people who turn up because they have a sore throat should be made to wait until they go away -- aversion therapy

After Shock Media · 05-26-2009, 01:09 PM

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AS he he has to take a loan out and pay it off over 20 years?

I have paid such bills a couple times.
Though yes you may need a loan, or may need to file bankruptcy, whatever - they still treat people.

IllTestYourGirls · 05-26-2009, 01:11 PM

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AS he he has to take a loan out and pay it off over 20 years?

No our family would not let him do that. We all pitched in and helped him. But the hospital did offer to put him on a payment plan. Why should anyone besides his friends and family pay for his bills?

After Shock Media · 05-26-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Twistys Tim

If you have a headache, which will not go away -- the best place to start is to go to your family doctor. If they are concerned, they will book you in to see a specialist. If I had a persistent headache, I would not go to an ER, I would go to a walk-in clinic.

The same as if I had a sore knee, I would go to an ER. But if I had chest pains, and tingling / numbness in my arms and hands -- I would go to the ER (via ambulance).

An emergency room, by definition, is for emergencies (broken arm, chest pains, head injuries, etc.). I think that people who turn up because they have a sore throat should be made to wait until they go away -- aversion therapy

Really depends on situation and person though. A headache can also be an aneurysm and if not seen that day or perhaps in hours it could burst and game over.

Not saying everyone needs to run to the ER for a headache either. Few actually do and again very often hospitals have both ER's and urgent care centers. Then triage will deal with and prioritize people in either one.

IllTestYourGirls · 05-26-2009, 01:14 PM

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Really depends on situation and person though. A headache can also be an aneurysm and if not seen that day or perhaps in hours it could burst and game over.

Not saying everyone needs to run to the ER for a headache either. Few actually do and again very often hospitals have both ER's and urgent care centers. Then triage will deal with and prioritize people in either one.

That is what my brother went in the hospital for. He had a sever headache. They found that his head was filling with blood.

After Shock Media · 05-26-2009, 01:16 PM

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That is what my brother went in the hospital for. He had a sever headache. They found that his head was filling with blood.

Good to hear they caught it, my aunt died from one before she made it to the ER.

Bryan G · 05-26-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

I have paid such bills a couple times.
Though yes you may need a loan, or may need to file bankruptcy, whatever - they still treat people.

Of course they will still treat you, not saying that. It is just crazy to me that if you dont have insurance the average person will be paying that off for a long time

TeenCat · 05-26-2009, 01:20 PM

arent there hospitals stealing from other hospitals and giving payed care for free?

anyway oops if you are waiting with lets say half cutted finger ...

05-26-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Good to hear they caught it, my aunt died from one before she made it to the ER.

I am so sorry about your aunt.

IllTestYourGirls · 05-26-2009, 01:23 PM

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Of course they will still treat you, not saying that. It is just crazy to me that if you dont have insurance the average person will be paying that off for a long time

Insurances and entitlements are the reason hospitals charge so much. Why would they charge anything but the max?

IllTestYourGirls · 05-26-2009, 01:24 PM

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Good to hear they caught it, my aunt died from one before she made it to the ER.

Sorry man that sucks.

pocketkangaroo · 05-26-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiplashDug

Yes, the US system is flawed, but more so by the Legal profession driving up the costs of health care in the courts. In some states, certain specialties can no longer afford to practice because their insurance premiums are so high. There was a time in America when people were able to just pay cash at the doctor for their medical needs. Not any more.

That's not true. Malpractice insurance is just over 3% of total expenses for the average doctor. It is actually a smaller percent of overall expenses than it was 20 years ago. Equipment, prescriptions, and staffing (nurse shortages drive up their cost) are the major costs associated with a doctor's practice.

Doctors who have high insurance premiums are ones with multiple claims that make them high risk. It can be unfortunate, but it also helps weed out bad doctors who are frequently sued for poor work.

That talking point has been debunked over and over.

After Shock Media · 05-26-2009, 01:27 PM

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I am so sorry about your aunt.

Was several years ago but thanks.

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Insurances and entitlements are the reason hospitals charge so much. Why would they charge anything but the max?

Well some are either ran by churches or are not for profit places. Not all of them are for profit, we have one of each in our town.

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Sorry man that sucks.

thanks.

12clicks · 05-26-2009, 01:36 PM

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So things have dramatically changed since the making of Sicko?

you're not one of those dopey kids who thinks michael moore is a maker of documentaries, are you?

Blazed · 05-26-2009, 01:53 PM

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you're not one of those dopey kids who thinks michael moore is a maker of documentaries, are you?

Yes Sicko is one of my favorite documentaries, just behind Borat.

gmr324 · 05-26-2009, 01:56 PM

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Yes Sicko is one of my favorite documentaries

I have to make some time and see Sicko. Everyone tells me what an eye-opener it is.

WhiplashDug · 05-26-2009, 03:14 PM

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That's not true. Malpractice insurance is just over 3% of total expenses for the average doctor. It is actually a smaller percent of overall expenses than it was 20 years ago. Equipment, prescriptions, and staffing (nurse shortages drive up their cost) are the major costs associated with a doctor's practice.

Doctors who have high insurance premiums are ones with multiple claims that make them high risk. It can be unfortunate, but it also helps weed out bad doctors who are frequently sued for poor work.

That talking point has been debunked over and over.

Talking point? nice try.

I come from a family of medical professionals. My opinions are derived from their experiences. But for you - try Google and search for 'doctor shortage + malpractice insurance' or anything similar. There are entire counties in some states that have no OB/GYN practitioners as a direct result of high-malpractice insurance costs that have been driven up by court litigation.

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Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	People going to the Hospital when they get a cold is the biggest problem but lets face it, it's better free then having none what so ever. In America if you don't have the money you get ZERO treatment and they let you die. Or in China they let you die so they harvest your organs.lol. It's not that bad here. __________________

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JaneB Guest Posts: n/a	The ER hear is usually around 5 to 8 hours. They do check your temp and vitals while you are waiting to be called.

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BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	I have only needed the ER twice in my life. In Canada the wait was 3 hours. When I had colitis my wait in the US ER was 8 minutes.

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Twistys Tim Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Twistys HQ Posts: 1,923	I read a study of ER waiting times they did in Ontario, and they found that many of the people who wait end up going home -- which would indicate that it was not an emergency. I some ways, a long wait is a good thing as it separates those who are actually sick and in need of seeing a doctor -- and those that have a sore knee, or a headache, etc. and will go home rather than wait. __________________ $100 PPS Xmas Promo [email protected] ICQ 311545482 Skype timmy_vee

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WhiplashDug ICS Graphics Dude Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: SACTO Posts: 3,438	well - it depends what you are waiting for too - dont ya think? all ER visits are not equal. And in the US a LARGE part of the ER traffic is uninsured. Since it is illegal for hospitals to turn away patients - people without insurance use the ER system to get seen if they are sick. If you removed those patients from the equation, the wait times in the US would be drastically lower than they are already. Yes, the US system is flawed, but more so by the Legal profession driving up the costs of health care in the courts. In some states, certain specialties can no longer afford to practice because their insurance premiums are so high. There was a time in America when people were able to just pay cash at the doctor for their medical needs. Not any more. __________________ Was a graphics master for Lensman @ Adult.com but now... I can't tell ya cause it aint top secret. ........... *DOUGRIDLEYDESIGNS* [email protected] ICQ: 303-498-056 skype: whiplashdug

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IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	They dont let you fucking die. Jesus christ some people are fucking stupid. My brother had something burst in his head, it filled with blood. He had no health insurance and he makes to much to get state help. The final bill was around $150,000 and paid it the old fashion way. The hospital will not just let you die. __________________

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