Attention BIG PROGRAMS: I can double your gross income in a year or less

[harvey]

Yes, I said 100%. I'm not kidding.

Please bear with me and read the following.

Well, this is something I was giving a lot of thought to, and I decided to "test the waters". As some people knows, I was working for a few years on a really big project about research and marketing applied to adult business, basically the tools mega businesses use, only that this time applied to adult business. Information technology. Knowledge.

As some other people know, I was seriously ill for more than a year and faced several surgeries. Althought now I'm doing OK, that caused me a lot of trouble and leaving that project at a side. Now, I'm slowly getting back at it with the help of the original people working in this project. However, this is getting longer and longer and I'm seeing it more difficult every day due to lack of money to support it.

Hence, I'm willing to offer my services that include not only the knowledge, but the research that backs it up to 1 (one) company, instead of what we were planning (an integral service for many companies).

As some of you know, I'm one of the few (if not the only) designer that's able to show 3rd party results showing amazing conversions on a consistent basis. Many people asked me how I do it. Well, now you know. I'm an infomation freak and use that information, that's all what I'll say here about the subject.

But conversions are quite unreliable due to other factors nowadays. Obviously I can improve conversions on most programs, but the main point is I can imporve RETENTIONS. I'm not talking about improving it by 1 or 2%. I'm talking quite big numbers.

How? Well, I won't spill the beans here. I know things many people doesn't know and that's my power. Let's say I can develop promo tools that you never heard of or you know in a different way. That I can tell you exactly which content to shoot and exactly which photo to display in a tour. I can retain most members almost as much as I want. Yes, I know the retain ratio of most programs out there, and I can beat it without wasting a breath.

Let's talk about resumeé:

- 1993:Marketing degree with specialization on Electronic Marketing (sounds so old right now...)
- 1996: started working (part time) in Internet businesses, shortly moved to adult full time.
- Created my first 2 sites, both of them in free hosts: Pornstars Inferno and Sex-o-pedia. To give you an idea, Sex-o-pedia was something like Freeones is now, basically tried to include all names in porn, only that it alos included definitions, sexual health, knowledge, fetish and deviation explanations and such. Like a Wikipedia of sex.
- 1998/99: Started designing for other people, although mostly for fun
-2000/2007: Did several things, including (but not limited to): the first adult outsourcing company (AdultWorker), a content company (OnlyEx), software (TGPPro Submitter), helped developed the TGP2 concept and ran the initial TGP2 site (tgp2.net), had my own deep fetish program (Niche Service) which I sold to my partner BossHawg, started developing the project I was talking about at first with the help of a Psychologist doctor and another marketing specialist (my wife and cousin respectively). So basically I can say I was the first in several of the ideas you consider common right now. And as you may imagine, my experience in those fields is quite broad to say the least.

So what is this about?

Well, as I said, I'm offering my services to 1 (one) company. A company that I can certify will win A LOT. And I expect to be compensated accordingly, based on results, because unless I'm offered a shitload of money, results based is better for me (that's how confident I am). Basically, I'm looking to settle down and work for a big company that is looking to grow even more and set the bar on many levels. It may sound cocky, but it's real.

This company will get not only an improvement in sales and retentions, but the tools used to achieve that, including the research of years. ie: do you know why 99% of big tits sites aren't maxing results? Do you know what people wants to see in an anal site? And in a pornstars site? and in an amateur site? Do you know why people clicks in some places more than others? Do you know why size matters (I'm not talking cock size here )? Do you know why placement matters? Do you know what fetish fans want to see for their respective fetish? Do you know why confusing fetishes with deviations can kill your site? Do you know which fetishes get more traffic? Which ones can be mixed and which ones can't? Do you know which picture/s to use in a preview and why?

However, this is not for small companies, not even medium-small programs, but medium-high to big ones. It requires companies making their own content. And every piece of content should be maxed out to get the more profit out of it. It requires companies willing to invest in their own business, companies that are (or are looking to be) a step beyond the so called "adult marketing". Companies that can see further than "see sig". Companies that are successful on their own and want to be even more successful.

Basically, this company has a lot to win and nothing to lose. At the very worst, what this company will get is what they get right now PLUS a shitload of new stuff. And fortunately, I can't settle for the very worst. Not even the mediocre. And that's why I expect results based compensation.

My only conditions (besides money):
- A contract.
- If I work with you, what I do is kept between us. It's for your own interest. So NDA is required.
- I can travel from time to time, but I won't relocate anywhere.

So, if you're one of those companies, I'd like to talk with you and make business. I'll say it again: double your gross income in a year or less. In recession times. I dare you to try me. Just send me a mail to sales {+} mozlo {+} com so we can discuss this.

[polish_aristocrat]

I skimmed this thread... while you might have some good skill, knowledge or experience, I'm sorry, but the thread title is just.... uhm.. stupid..

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Hi Harvey,

Can you pay me back the $750 deposit for the design that you never finished?

ADG

[robfantasy]

how to improve conversions = increase payout

[JD]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Hi Harvey,

Can you pay me back the $750 deposit for the design that you never finished?

ADG

oh shitttttt....

lmk about that stuff btw ;)

[harvey]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Hi Harvey,

Can you pay me back the $750 deposit for the design that you never finished?

ADG

Laurence, I made way beyond that. I asked you MANY TIMES to contact the people of your CMS (won't give names) since it didn't work even with their default page. You know it, I know it. If your CMS worked, you'd have it done, but you dind't want to and rather believed someone else. I even made a full hard coded page so you could launch the site while we were working on the CMS thing. 1 month and a half later, after showing you the problem was in the CMS by showing you their default skin NOT WORKING, you left me high and dry. I mean, instead of telling that CMS: "hey, your DEFAULT page isn't working, fix it or give me my money back" you chose to cancel me.

So, the way I see it, you owe me $750 and I left it at that, business gone bad and that's it. I know you're a decent and honest person, so tell me if anything of what I'm saying isn't 100% true.

Anyway, I won't start a bitching contest now, I expected some drama but never imagine it would come from you.

[Nicky]

Nice stuff harvey but double the gross of a BIG sponsor? you good for a extra couple of 1000 sales per day??

[harvey]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Nice stuff harvey but double the gross of a BIG sponsor? you good for a extra couple of 1000 sales per day??

yes I can I will prove it to the right people interested, obviously I won't go into further details in this thread

[Si]

harvey, it sounds like you know what your doing,

but,

Why share this with a program? start your own one up and use this knowledge to your own advantage.

obviously that brings up the issue of content though...........

[digifan]

Go Harvey, go! Glad to see you are doing better and I know you'll do what you offer to a lucky someone and that your icq is blinking like a Christmas tree . And those who fail to trust you now, will be so sad or even mad seeing your results.. but they can blame themselves only.
Good luck to you!

[Deej]

Harvey!!!!!

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by harvey

Laurence, I made way beyond that. I asked you MANY TIMES to contact the people of your CMS (won't give names) since it didn't work even with their default page. You know it, I know it. If your CMS worked, you'd have it done, but you dind't want to and rather believed someone else. I even made a full hard coded page so you could launch the site while we were working on the CMS thing. 1 month and a half later, after showing you the problem was in the CMS by showing you their default skin NOT WORKING, you left me high and dry. I mean, instead of telling that CMS: "hey, your DEFAULT page isn't working, fix it or give me my money back" you chose to cancel me.

So, the way I see it, you owe me $750 and I left it at that, business gone bad and that's it. I know you're a decent and honest person, so tell me if anything of what I'm saying isn't 100% true.

Anyway, I won't start a bitching contest now, I expected some drama but never imagine it would come from you.

Harvey, I paid the deposit since you said you could do the work. If you had delivered the project you would have received the other $750. You had all of the contact info for the CMS people. It was the responsibility of you and them to work it out since you are the technical people.

Nonetheless, I intervened several times and tried to facilitate getting answers to the issues you kept saying were preventing you from doing the work.

I had five other sites which you would have received the additional design work and pay for if you could have successfully completed the first project, but I never saw more than one page from you that was 100% operational, and that was not even integrated into the CMS.

I know you have skills, and you seem like a decent enough guy (that's why I hired you in the first place), but I told you from the beginning that communicating with me was key and I expected results.

You said you would get the work done in less than a month, and after two months you had made very little progress. Also, for weeks at a time you failed to communicate with me.

So, after two months, I felt that I had to cut my losses at that point and seek out a different designer.

The bottom line is I lost $750 with you, plus CMS lease money, and hosting costs.

Unfortunately, that's how business goes sometimes.

Well, good luck making your big score with your secret plan!

ADG

[harvey]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Nice stuff harvey but double the gross of a BIG sponsor? you good for a extra couple of 1000 sales per day??

btw, just to clarify, note that I said "income", not sales

Originally Posted by mobilefun1987

harvey, it sounds like you know what your doing,

but,

Why share this with a program? start your own one up and use this knowledge to your own advantage.

obviously that brings up the issue of content though...........

I ran my own program with 5 sites and sold it. Now, as I said, I don't have the money to back a business like that.

Originally Posted by digifan

Go Harvey, go! Glad to see you are doing better and I know you'll do what you offer to a lucky someone and that your icq is blinking like a Christmas tree . And those who fail to trust you now, will be so sad or even mad seeing your results.. but they can blame themselves only.
Good luck to you!

thanx Digi

[harvey]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Harvey, I paid the deposit since you said you could do the work. If you had delivered the project you would have received the other $750. You had all of the contact info for the CMS people. It was the responsibility of you and them to work it out since you are the technical people.

Nonetheless, I intervened several times and tried to facilitate getting answers to the issues you kept saying were preventing you from doing the work.

I had five other sites which you would have received the additional design work and pay for if you could have successfully completed the first project, but I never saw more than one page from you that was 100% operational, and that was not even integrated into the CMS.

I know you have skills, and you seem like a decent enough guy (that's why I hired you in the first place), but I told you from the beginning that communicating with me was key and I expected results.

You said you would get the work done in less than a month, and after two months you had made very little progress. Also, for weeks at a time you failed to communicate with me.

So, after two months, I felt that I had to cut my losses at that point and seek out a different designer.

The bottom line is I lost $750 with you, plus CMS lease money, and hosting costs.

Unfortunately, that's how business goes sometimes.

Well, good luck making your big score with your secret plan!

ADG

Laurence, just to be clear:
a) the programmer contacted me after like 3/4 weeks of request it. He said everything was fine and could never explain why the site wasn't working. You know it and I have the mails to prove it.
b) you never let me finish the site, simply canceled it
c) don't you think I'd prefer to finish the site and be fully paid?
d) the price was $1000 for the design and $500 for the integration. You paid $750 and LOVED the design. You said it, not me (well, I love it too, of course). So I could say that, TO THE VERY LEAST, you still owe me $250 only for the design. It's not my fault that the CMS in question had unprofessional support that didn't like to work, you hired me for INTEGRATION, not custom programming (which I wouldn't be able to do anyway). So, as I said, I left it at that, knowing that I was losing money on that project and probably on future projects. And I kept my mouth shut, so don't know why are you bringing this when you're the one owing me money.

Anyway, you know I really respect you and like you, and that's one of the things that bothered me most when you cancelled it out of the blue, more than the money. I'll just ask you a question, answer it if you want, no big deal: did the CMS work AT ANY GIVEN POINT? dit it ever work with its default config and skin? We both know the answer, and when I do an implementation, I assume it's over a WORKING SCRIPT. If it doesn't work, it's not my fault, I'll try to help you (AS I DID) but I can't do more beyond certain limits.

Anyway, feel free to hit me up on ICQ or by mail, I really have no problem with you

[harvey]

Originally Posted by deej

harvey!!!!!

hola!!!

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by harvey

Laurence, just to be clear:
a) the programmer contacted me after like 3/4 weeks of request it. He said everything was fine and could never explain why the site wasn't working. You know it and I have the mails to prove it.
b) you never let me finish the site, simply canceled it
c) don't you think I'd prefer to finish the site and be fully paid?
d) the price was $1000 for the design and $500 for the integration. You paid $750 and LOVED the design. You said it, not me (well, I love it too, of course). So I could say that, TO THE VERY LEAST, you still owe me $250 only for the design. It's not my fault that the CMS in question had unprofessional support that didn't like to work, you hired me for INTEGRATION, not custom programming (which I wouldn't be able to do anyway). So, as I said, I left it at that, knowing that I was losing money on that project and probably on future projects. And I kept my mouth shut, so don't know why are you bringing this when you're the one owing me money.

Anyway, you know I really respect you and like you, and that's one of the things that bothered me most when you cancelled it out of the blue, more than the money. I'll just ask you a question, answer it if you want, no big deal: did the CMS work AT ANY GIVEN POINT? dit it ever work with its default config and skin? We both know the answer, and when I do an implementation, I assume it's over a WORKING SCRIPT. If it doesn't work, it's not my fault, I'll try to help you (AS I DID) but I can't do more beyond certain limits.

Anyway, feel free to hit me up on ICQ or by mail, I really have no problem with you

Harvey, the deal was $750 as a 50% deposit for the total job (design and integration), with the final $750 to be paid upon completion of the project.

After two months, the project was nowhere near completion.

In fairness to you, yes I did like the basic design which you showed me in the comp, however I requested some specific changes that were never made, and that one page comp represented about 5% of the total design.

As for whether the CMS ever worked, the CMS company said it did when it was turned over to you. Once you started to make changes, it had problems. It was up to you and the CMS company to fix the problems. I never touched anything.

And since you asked, after I decided to switch designers, I asked the CMS company to provide me with the name of a designer to work with. They referred me to Donnie Adamson (Big_D is his nick here). I had apprehensions, since I knew that he was a big partier, but he assured me that he could do the job.

Like you, I paid him $750, and he sent me a one page comp, which I also liked. Soon after that he too did a disappearing act. When I threatened to terminate him, he came back and promised the work in another few weeks. This dragged on for two months and then he dropped all contact.

So, I'm out a lot more money than just the $750 which I paid to you. In fact, I hired a third designer and paid him a deposit. Same results...after a few months of empty promises, he simply disappeared. Even the person who referred him to me (a major hosting company owner) tried to contact him but he isn't returning e-mails or calls.

After over six months of getting nowhere, the CMS company commited to doing a most basic design - basically I created headers that they were supposed to simply put on their templates, and then I could at least start making some money with their product (after having paid them over two thousand in license payements thus far).

After several days of waiting, and with e-mails and bot messages saying they would get to it tomorrow, I became frustrated and sent them an angry e-mail, which I thought might light a fire under their asses to get the work done. Instead they terminated my license, so basically I'm out over $6,000, and back to square one with this project (and that doesn't count the potenitlal lost income, just the actual money I paid to others).

The craziest part of it is that whomever finally comes through for me is going to have a very loyal client, whom will provide them with several more projects than just this first project.

I have really felt snake-bitten over this whole ordeal. Fortunately, I still make enough money that I can absorb these losses.

Oh well, at least it's a tax write-off.

Well, I just wanted to let off a little steam after I saw your post in here about how you are going to make someone rich. Anyway, we can deal with this offline if you still wish to.

Take care,

ADG

[harvey]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Harvey, the deal was $750 as a 50% deposit for the total job (design and integration), with the final $750 to be paid upon completion of the project.

After two months, the project was nowhere near completion.

In fairness to you, yes I did like the basic design which you showed me in the comp, however I requested some specific changes that were never made, and that one page comp represented about 5% of the total design.

As for whether the CMS ever worked, the CMS company said it did when it was turned over to you. Once you started to make changes, it had problems. It was up to you and the CMS company to fix the problems. I never touched anything.

And since you asked, after I decided to switch designers, I asked the CMS company to provide me with the name of a designer to work with. They referred me to Donnie Adamson (Big_D is his nick here). I had apprehensions, since I knew that he was a big partier, but he assured me that he could do the job.

Like you, I paid him $750, and he sent me a one page comp, which I also liked. Soon after that he too did a disappearing act. When I threatened to terminate him, he came back and promised the work in another few weeks. This dragged on for two months and then he dropped all contact.

So, I'm out a lot more money than just the $750 which I paid to you. In fact, I hired a third designer and paid him a deposit. Same results...after a few months of empty promises, he simply disappeared. Even the person who referred him to me (a major hosting company owner) tried to contact him but he isn't returning e-mails or calls.

After over six months of getting nowhere, the CMS company commited to doing a most basic design - basically I created headers that they were supposed to simply put on their templates, and then I could at least start making some money with their product (after having paid them over two thousand in license payements thus far).

After several days of waiting, and with e-mails and bot messages saying they would get to it tomorrow, I became frustrated and sent them an angry e-mail, which I thought might light a fire under their asses to get the work done. Instead they terminated my license, so basically I'm out over $6,000, and back to square one with this project (and that doesn't count the potenitlal lost income, just the actual money I paid to others).

The craziest part of it is that whomever finally comes through for me is going to have a very loyal client, whom will provide them with several more projects than just this first project.

I have really felt snake-bitten over this whole ordeal. Fortunately, I still make enough money that I can absorb these losses.

Oh well, at least it's a tax write-off.

Well, I just wanted to let off a little steam after I saw your post in here about how you are going to make someone rich. Anyway, we can deal with this offline if you still wish to.

Take care,

ADG

OK, let's do this, and I'm doing this offer IN PUBLIC: you show me the default program WORKING and I'll finish it with no further money, after all IT'S FINISHED, the very second the software works everything will work. So you get not to pay me a dime over what you paid me, hence I get paid 50%, the only thing you need is to tell those morons to show you A FUNCTIONAL SOFTWARE. Not what I did, I don't need that, just their default pages. If you can make them to provide you with a FUNCTIONAL SCRIPT (the keyword here) you're a few hours out of having your site finished at 50% of the (already cheap) price. Of course I won't take blame on other people fucking you, you'd have done what I asked, that is asking them for a FUNCTIONAL SCRIPT. I did it several times and they never got back to me except for 1 time when they said everything was working fine, and when I shown you and them they were lying, they simply put me on ignore. The ball is in your side. And as you said, even the same CMS company fucked you... didn't it occur that they were the ones to blame from the very beginning? Their program isn't working even with a couple headers, isn't working with the default skin, isn't working WITH ANYTHING. Just do the math.

And I know their script works perfectly for other people, so I'm 99% sure your server has something (whether a glitch on their side, a misconfiguration, maybe a corrupt database, whatever). The problem is that they don't want to work on it and FIX IT. I know someone else that had exactly the same problem and that CMS made promises and promises and promises and this guy sent them to fuck off after several months of pure crap, so you're not alone.

Anyway, you've my contact and the offer stands, as I said, I still like you and have lots of respect for you. Just tell them to fix their own crap, I told you before this whole situation happened that I wouldn't like to take shit because of their mistakes, and finally you ended blaming me, as I warned you it would happen. But well, as long as they do what they're supposed to do and for which you paid a lot (for nothing) I'll make it happen for you for no further payment

[woj]

You said "gross" income, is that a mistake? or do you actually do mean gross income? If not, what kind of "net" income increase are you expecting in the 12 month period?

[harvey]

Originally Posted by woj

You said "gross" income, is that a mistake? or do you actually do mean gross income? If not, what kind of "net" income increase are you expecting in the 12 month period?

I said GROSS. It's impossible to define NET income when you don't know other people's finances and certainly I won't say something that I don't know about. So NET... I've no idea, obviously it will depend on the program's finances.

But if you pay close attention, you'll see I'm speaking mainly about RETENTION. Although you gotta invest something, it's not even close to what you'll need to get a new member. And that's how I can make it work: because most programs couldn't care less about retentions, or they simply don't know how to retain. You see programs desperate for cross-sells (that will end in the use cancelling everything) rather than KEEPING THEIR MEMBERS. I can do it. Simple as that.

[harvey]

btw, to be honest I could probably achieve that in 8/9 months, but 12 months is a safe bet. And it's way more than what ANY (and I mean ANY) marketing person can promise (and more important: DO) in this board

[alan-l]

Harvey is one of the smartest persons I ever knew of, anyone hiring him will be really lucky

[JFK]

interesting to say the least

[officegirl]

if your ideas are that good why are you posting here? i don't mean to be rude, but why not just go direct to the 'BIG' companies and sell them your pitch directly rather than posting here?

[endsofttech]

nice work dude!

[StaceyJo]

Good luck with that. ;)

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by harvey

most programs couldn't care less about retentions, or they simply don't know how to retain. You see programs desperate for cross-sells (that will end in the use cancelling everything) rather than KEEPING THEIR MEMBERS. I can do it. Simple as that.

The thing is that many of the big sponsors of today have built their whole program around cross-sells, just like you say they couldn't care less about retentions.

I guess you will want to find a program that do want to care.

[Pleasurepays]

haha... stickyfingerz quiets down and someone else steps up to fill the void.

if you could work financial miracles for someone else... you'd be too busy working financial miracles for yourself. ;)

[StariaDaniel]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

if you could work financial miracles for someone else... you'd be too busy working financial miracles for yourself. ;)

Is that true? As he said he has no or little money ... starting a new program without a bunch of cash is quite a challenge ... i'd assume by his first post that his methods are about user tracking/observation and the statistical use of this data to produce more fitting content and build a memberarea for best result - guess that you need quite a bit of data to make that work - that for you'll need a big program with a lot of members and a lot of content.

On the other hand ... what's the maximum a company can loose by hearing what he has to say?

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by StariaDaniel

Is that true? As he said he has no or little money ... starting a new program without a bunch of cash is quite a challenge ... i'd assume by his first post that his methods are about user tracking/observation and the statistical use of this data to produce more fitting content and build a member area for best result - guess that you need quite a bit of data to make that work - that for you'll need a big program with a lot of members and a lot of content.

On the other hand ... what's the maximum a company can loose by hearing what he has to say?

It's simple reasoning. Someone with such valuable knowledge and experience doesn't need a contract with a company (a secure job with guarantees) to "make money in adult". Suggesting that you can double anyone's gross revenues is a bold and absurd and for many people an offensive claim. It's a claim that assumes a very high degree of ignorance on the program owners part. Is he going to double cams.com revenue from say $100,000,000.00 per year to $200,000,000.00? or any other big player - that assumes he is more intimately acquainted with their business models, traffic, conversions, members, cross sells, up sells, mailing etc than they are.

He knows what he wants... He wants very high compensation. What is he going to risk? So far... nothing. This is how scams start. Outrageous promises, cash/compensation upfront... and then followed up with excuses when performance is nothing like what the company was paying for and nothing like the sales pitch they bought into.

It's the proposal of a very naive and inexperienced business person who thinks its reasonable for others to take all the risks, for him to be guaranteed substantial rewards and to have no risk himself.

If he were going take some of the same risks he is asking others to take, in the event that he didn't come through or refund money etc... that would be different. That is after all, quite reasonable.

[FreeHugeMovies]

This is kind of comical

[matuloo]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

He knows what he wants... He wants very high compensation. What is he going to risk? So far... nothing. This is how scams start. Outrageous promises, cash/compensation upfront... and then followed up with excuses when performance is nothing like what the company was paying for and nothing like the sales pitch they bought into.

True, BUT, this is taken from his post :

And I expect to be compensated accordingly, based on results, because unless I'm offered a shitload of money, results based is better for me (that's how confident I am).

He wants compensation, based on results ... if he fails to deliver, he gets shit, seems quite reasonable to me.

I am not telling he can or cant do it, just using his own words.

[SteveHardeman]

Originally Posted by harvey

Yes, I said 100%. I'm not kidding.

Please bear with me and read the following.

Well, this is something I was giving a lot of thought to, and I decided to "test the waters". As some people knows,

Multiple Hidden Pre-Checked Rebills?

App that sends 1000 volts thru to the surfer's mouse if he tries to cancel?

An Italian guy who visites each surfer and explains to him how they may not end the year with all their fingers and toes if he ever cancels his membership?

j/k

I don't know you but from the sound of some of these posts you know what you're doing so best of luck to you. Although we're not a big program, if you were offering to double sales, I would have contacted you but I rebill like a mother-fucker already so it would prolly not be beneficial for us to talk about this. If you have any expertise that would drive quality traffic and sales, feel free to hit me up.

Again, good luck.

[harvey]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

It's simple reasoning. Someone with such valuable knowledge and experience doesn't need a contract with a company (a secure job with guarantees) to "make money in adult". Suggesting that you can double anyone's gross revenues is a bold and absurd and for many people an offensive claim. It's a claim that assumes a very high degree of ignorance on the program owners part. Is he going to double cams.com revenue from say $100,000,000.00 per year to $200,000,000.00? or any other big player - that assumes he is more intimately acquainted with their business models, traffic, conversions, members, cross sells, up sells, mailing etc than they are.

He knows what he wants... He wants very high compensation. What is he going to risk? So far... nothing. This is how scams start. Outrageous promises, cash/compensation upfront... and then followed up with excuses when performance is nothing like what the company was paying for and nothing like the sales pitch they bought into.

It's the proposal of a very naive and inexperienced business person who thinks its reasonable for others to take all the risks, for him to be guaranteed substantial rewards and to have no risk himself.

If he were going take some of the same risks he is asking others to take, in the event that he didn't come through or refund money etc... that would be different. That is after all, quite reasonable.

with all due respect, you're beyond ignorant. First of all, you lack reading comprehension, probably you missed the part "COMPENSATION BASED ON RESULTS". So, please tell me how this is someone "risking" anything, and me "not risking". I'll put it very easy since it's a so hard to grasp concept:
* sponsor: pays only on results
* me: risking time (=money), information (=money), work (=money).

So please, please, please: tell me with your infinite wisdom how is this A SCAM. I run all the risks, so it seems I might be scamming myself.

and btw, I could show you just a little math on what's needed, but I doubt you'll understand it

@STARIADANIEL: you hitted the nail in the head
@OFFICEGIRL: I build my own program this way, looking for a partner here. Build it, developed and sold it later to my own partner. Now it's part of a way bigger program. So believe me I've a slight clue about what I'm talking about

[BradM]

LOL this sounds awesome omg i'll take 2

[harvey]

btw, PleasurePays, you mentioned something by coincidence, and even when it might be infered from my post, I'll be very clear about it: this is for CONTENT sites, I can't do this for WEBCAMS (what PP mentioned), DATING or similar sites. Only CONTENT DRIVEN sites.

[harvey]

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

Multiple Hidden Pre-Checked Rebills?

App that sends 1000 volts thru to the surfer's mouse if he tries to cancel?

An Italian guy who visites each surfer and explains to him how they may not end the year with all their fingers and toes if he ever cancels his membership?

j/k

I don't know you but from the sound of some of these posts you know what you're doing so best of luck to you. Although we're not a big program, if you were offering to double sales, I would have contacted you but I rebill like a mother-fucker already so it would prolly not be beneficial for us to talk about this. If you have any expertise that would drive quality traffic and sales, feel free to hit me up.

Again, good luck.

I'm Italian so you might be on something there

About sales, yes, I can make they go up, but not sure I can double them(well, I'm quite sure I CAN'T, economics and business context play a role as well). So I only promise what I know I can do. To the haters... well, this is GFY, so kinda expected and really not caring much about that.

[Mickey_]

let's have a chat.

[Legendary Samir - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Contact Barefootsies or Stickyfingerz. They are looking for someone to do the work. I hope you like dirty toes videos because they are not paying you in real money.

[V_RocKs]

good luck with that.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by harvey

with all due respect, you're beyond ignorant. First of all, you lack reading comprehension, probably you missed the part "COMPENSATION BASED ON RESULTS". So, please tell me how this is someone "risking" anything, and me "not risking".

you're right. i read that wrong and i apologize.

[Deej]

This thread is beautiful...

[harvey]

Originally Posted by Mickey-AWE

let's have a chat.

added you on ICQ, hit me up once you get online

mails sent to those that contacted me by mail

[harvey]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

you're right. i read that wrong and i apologize.

NP, everything cool

[grumpy]

talk to playboy, they need some help.

[RyuLion]

Now I see that you've been busy..

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by harvey

I'll be very clear about it: this is for CONTENT sites, I can't do this for WEBCAMS

Originally Posted by Mickey-AWE

let's have a chat.

Originally Posted by harvey

added you on ICQ, hit me up once you get online

I really don't want to be a dick but this is funny

[harvey]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

I really don't want to be a dick but this is funny

do you realize there might be a chance that they have (or want to have) other sites/programs? I don't know it, and I'll find out. I was very clear on what I said, and at worst I'll tell him "listen, AS I SAID, I can't do this for webcams". As I said, I only work with information, so how the hell can I talk about something I don't know, in example if they own other programs?

On a side note, I don't know if you're from Juggcash, but if so I dare you: you shoot a scene (only 1, no need for more) under my specific guidelines. Nothing weird, nothing out of your usual content, so you can use it anyway as your regular content. Then we compare it side by side with the same traffic sources to your latest scene/s and see which one works best (I'll even pay for the traffic, I'll put my money where my mouth is). After that, you're free to publish the results. If I'm a bluff, you can say it. But I expect the same if I show you I can beat your conversions any way I want with just a single scene, let's not even start with retentions.

And I want nothing out of it (other than the regular payment for the eventual signups). So I risk everything and you risk nothing (so people on GFY can be happy). Do you dare?

[harvey]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

Now I see that you've been busy..

mas o menos, mano

[harvey]

btw, just a little proof. I don't submit galleries but I did at some point when I was testing (as I said, most of 2008 and first part of 2009 I was down, it's not a secret). Take a look below. And pay special attention to the traffic source:



oopsie... converting 1:140 on PORNSTARS traffic on WORLDSEX and BONEME. With a site with non exclusive content, and to make it worse, ultraseen old content...

OK, it was better before:


yeah, 1:31

let's see another niche (this time April 2008, when I got ill):



oopsie...

So, for those that like to talk crap, I'd like you to show me something remotely similar with the same traffic sources. But a little bird told me none of you won't

hell, let's take another one since I'm in a good mood, posted in GFY by someone else:



3rd party stats shows what I could do at that point. Now, I'm way better. I have more info, more knowledge, more tools.

[mn]

Originally Posted by harvey

Let's talk about resumeé:

helped developed the TGP2 concept and ran the initial TGP2 site (tgp2.net)...So basically I can say I was the first in several of the ideas you consider common right now.

are you serious?