Did all Smart Thumbs TGPs just get dropped from Google? - Page 5 - GoFuckYourself.com

Klen · 06-21-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dready

From what I've seen so far, the trade script used doesn't matter.

Yep that is correct.

Carmine Raguso · 06-21-2009, 08:10 AM

200 Google bans

edit : make that 202

baX · 06-21-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakke PNG

I lost my #1 spot for a VERY VERY good niche keyword that I held for several years. 8500/day niche specific google hits gone.

That sucks big time. I bet you made some nice $$$ from all those Google hits.

Here is a question.
Who will take all those empty #1 Google positions? Blogs, tubes, other non ST TGPs ....?
Someone will sure be the winner in all this mess.

Jakke PNG · 06-21-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

Actually now that I re-read this post it makes no sense. ALL of you sites have been affected, yet some of them have not?

Apparently you are not very familiar with tgp scripts?

ST = Smart thumbs (manages galleries)
AGS = Autogallery SQL (manages thumbnails/galleries like ST)
UCJ, ATX, AT3 etc = Trade script, the one that actually manages the skimming etc.

So, the sites that use ST + trade script are affected
The sites using AGS + trade script are NOT affected.

So the actual 'skimming' part which you seemed to think is the root of all evil has 0 effect, so far..but the script that manages the galleries may be the culprit.

CyberHustler · 06-21-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Godsmack

I lost over 70k google! we have no clue why this happens like everyone else...if we know why this happens we may find some fix for it. Also i wanna say that it's a bit too easy putting the blame on ST unless we know exactly whats happening.

Looks like you need to AT LEAST lower your prices...

SteelArt · 06-21-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Hmm... seems google thinks smart thumbs is something like linkex?

I am using linkex as well. What's the problem with it?

Jdoughs · 06-21-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelArt

I am using linkex as well. What's the problem with it?

Nothing, google wants to list all sites that are on autopilot with no worthy brain power behind running them.

Carry on.

You linkex clowns are next.

(not implying ST guys are clowns, but we know for sure you linkex guys are)

FreeHugeMovies · 06-21-2009, 09:49 AM

Godsmack is a great guy and will try to sort this out for everyone.

alias · 06-21-2009, 11:51 AM

Imagine the freakout if google banned wordpress.

Pleasurepays · 06-21-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakke PNG

So, the sites that use ST + trade script are affected

that's not true. i have some free st sites set up with no trades, no outbound links and no archive / sub pages also being penalized.

Carmine Raguso · 06-21-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakke PNG

Apparently you are not very familiar with tgp scripts?

ST = Smart thumbs (manages galleries)
AGS = Autogallery SQL (manages thumbnails/galleries like ST)
UCJ, ATX, AT3 etc = Trade script, the one that actually manages the skimming etc.

So, the sites that use ST + trade script are affected
The sites using AGS + trade script are NOT affected.

So the actual 'skimming' part which you seemed to think is the root of all evil has 0 effect, so far..but the script that manages the galleries may be the culprit.

I am actually somewhat familiar, don't get too ahead of yourself there Chachi.

I may have been wrong with the initial post, however we come down to the ugly /st/ issue. It could be possibly an issue with the way you mange YOUR galleries. It could also be that someone picked up on the way THIS is done. It is a myriad of a cluster fuck.

I'm not #1 in this department but I am trying to help a situation that does not effect me what so ever. I honestly wish everybody the best of luck from the bottom of my heart. Anytime people's livelihood gets kicked in the cunt, it hurts everyone. It filters down.............................................. ........................... ............................

......................... Ouch!

Carmine Raguso · 06-21-2009, 12:22 PM

And just to clarify, I am not saying that everyone affected had anything to do with ( http://www.smart-scripts.com/?action...tubsrqn6ir k3 )

I'm saying that when a company that creates a script such as the one linked above, and people use it, well.... the ban hammer comes down. It's nothing personal, it's Google's way of saying "enough is enough" with your crap.

Remember, they have people that actually work over there too. It's not all about robots.

CyberHustler · 06-21-2009, 12:27 PM

That script sounds just like openx, except openx is free and doesn't fuck up ya google stuffs (not saying smart spots does).

Carmine Raguso · 06-21-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

That script sounds just like openx, except openx is free and doesn't fuck up ya google stuffs (not saying smart spots does).

Lose the green text fag

SteelArt · 06-21-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Nothing, google wants to list all sites that are on autopilot with no worthy brain power behind running them.

Carry on.

You linkex clowns are next.

(not implying ST guys are clowns, but we know for sure you linkex guys are)

I have no idea what are you talking about. I am using linkex just to add/remove hardlinks without reuploading my main page template. If you know that linkex has a problem then please tell me what kind this problem is.

Tempest · 06-21-2009, 12:34 PM

You ST guys might want to consider putting a rel="nofollow" on all your gallery links.

SteelArt · 06-21-2009, 12:44 PM

btw, i run 10 sites, 7 of them are using ST, 2 of them are using TGPX and one site using comus thumbs. 6 out of 7 ST sites are thumb MGPs and they are penalized. One ST site is a text MGP and it's not penalized. Two sites with TGPX aren't penalized and one site with comus thumbs is not penalized too. All 10 sites are using linkex to add/remove hardlinks at the bottom.

CyberHustler · 06-21-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

Lose the green text fag

Says the guy with another guys cock as his avatar...

roly · 06-21-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Says the guy with another guys cock as his avatar...

lol, touche

superdio · 06-21-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Slick

Thank God I don't use Smart Thumbs ;)

I do feel sorry for the rest of you though because I do trade with a lot of you guys. Hopefully shit can get straightened out with it.

hi pal, thats a clue! Your amateur curves also has dropped by google, so not only ST are affected.

alias · 06-21-2009, 02:52 PM

Google is trying to tell us that mgp & tgp are dead to them.

StickyGreen · 06-21-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Google is trying to tell us that mgp & tgp are dead to them.

If that were the case then wouldn't all or most TGPs fall down in the rankings? There are still plenty of TGPs ranking well.

sortie · 06-21-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Google is trying to tell us that mgp & tgp are dead to them.

Yeah, google likes to waste it's time determining what happens in adult website formats.

Nicky · 06-21-2009, 05:27 PM

Too bad for those of you running ST. I wonder if this is just a "1st faze" of some bigger knock on sites using scripts to trade traffic and links.

d-null · 06-21-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

Too bad for those of you running ST. I wonder if this is just a "1st faze" of some bigger knock on sites using scripts to trade traffic and links.

I also wonder about the sitewide link trading that has been so prevalent in the industry for years and whether that is destined to take a big hit soon, it only makes sense that it should

sortie · 06-21-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

I also wonder about the sitewide link trading that has been so prevalent in the industry for years and whether that is destined to take a big hit soon, it only makes sense that it should

Not really.

People will not stop searching for porn just because google drops the sites.
The adult searching engines will just take that traffic from google.

The link list would make a huge comeback in that scenario.

d-null · 06-21-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Not really.

People will not stop searching for porn just because google drops the sites.
The adult searching engines will just take that traffic from google.

The link list would make a huge comeback in that scenario.

I never meant that google will drop porn, I think google will always try to give the surfers what they want when they search, unfortunately what the surfer wants when they search doesn't necessarily fit the typical affiliate model for a site

V_RocKs · 06-22-2009, 12:46 AM

I think I just stumbled upon the best theory... Thanks to http://www.scarecrowmovies.com/ for posting his logs online.

There are a lot of pharmacy spammers that are using st.php to get to their URL's...

Example:
http://www.scarecrowmovies.com/st/st.../mirror/32238/

So I believe Google decided to screw anyone with st.php and url on the page. This doesn't mean other scripts are not susceptible to this same attack. It just means some Russian idiot decided to target ST since it is the most widely available script.

CyberHustler · 06-22-2009, 01:58 AM

.htaccess

Code:

deny from all

hjnet · 06-22-2009, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I think I just stumbled upon the best theory... Thanks to http://www.scarecrowmovies.com/ for posting his logs online.

There are a lot of pharmacy spammers that are using st.php to get to their URL's...

Example:
http://www.scarecrowmovies.com/st/st.../mirror/32238/

So I believe Google decided to screw anyone with st.php and url on the page. This doesn't mean other scripts are not susceptible to this same attack. It just means some Russian idiot decided to target ST since it is the most widely available script.

Quoted for truth, that's also the best therory I've heard sofar about this issue...

SiMpLe · 06-22-2009, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I think I just stumbled upon the best theory... Thanks to http://www.scarecrowmovies.com/ for posting his logs online.

There are a lot of pharmacy spammers that are using st.php to get to their URL's...

Example:
http://www.scarecrowmovies.com/st/st.../mirror/32238/

So I believe Google decided to screw anyone with st.php and url on the page. This doesn't mean other scripts are not susceptible to this same attack. It just means some Russian idiot decided to target ST since it is the most widely available script.

This makes total since to me without a doubt.

tranza · 06-22-2009, 08:01 AM

Mmmmm, okay then

miguel7 · 06-22-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by [TeSiL]

Hello. I have 3 TGP on Smart Thumbs, I had first places in SE for keywords, but now google absolute dont see me, like I have never been, traffic is down about 5000. I have ST link in every footer, can that be the reason?

I think no.
I have no bottom link and down too.

leonxm · 06-22-2009, 10:15 AM

personally i think its the first time in 8 years online i see people blaming script for SEO ranking

i see some sites droped i see some sites up or stayed and all using ST , just because its a great and many people using it and thats the reason many got affected, but before blaming the script
have you checked if the guys that still on top
1) working harder on their links ?
2) hand written gallery descs ( and not duplicate as on other 10000's sites )
3) adding additional content on the site except same gals as 10000's others
4) SEO friendly html
5) SEO friendly site structure

the list of things can be endless, but one thing is sure if you do get penalty its because of the CONTENT and not the content manager

i've seen people complaining on mainstream boards too , and none of them even heard of ST so.... Content is still the king as always ;)

dready · 06-22-2009, 10:19 AM

It looks like the Smart Thumbs guys are being very proactive on this issue and will hopefully have an update out shortly. They said they will be starting testing on it tomorrow.

Jakke PNG · 06-22-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by leonxm

1) working harder on their links ?
2) hand written gallery descs ( and not duplicate as on other 10000's sites )
3) adding additional content on the site except same gals as 10000's others
4) SEO friendly html
5) SEO friendly site structure

1) Why? Been on top for 2+ years for certain keyword(s)
2) Yes, and unique gallery URL's (not hosted gals)
3) Yes.
4) Yes.
5) Yes.

-> Dropped.

leonxm · 06-22-2009, 10:41 AM

almost everybody know that google dont like blogs on RSS and yet nobody keep blaiming WP

Jakke PNG · 06-22-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by leonxm

almost everybody know that google dont like blogs on RSS and yet nobody keep blaiming WP

So? 8char

Meeper · 06-22-2009, 11:16 AM

Horrible news, I hope this gets sorted out soon. My TGP's got owned too =(

SBJ · 06-22-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by leonxm

personally i think its the first time in 8 years online i see people blaming script for SEO ranking

i see some sites droped i see some sites up or stayed and all using ST , just because its a great and many people using it and thats the reason many got affected, but before blaming the script
have you checked if the guys that still on top
1) working harder on their links ?
2) hand written gallery descs ( and not duplicate as on other 10000's sites )
3) adding additional content on the site except same gals as 10000's others
4) SEO friendly html
5) SEO friendly site structure

the list of things can be endless, but one thing is sure if you do get penalty its because of the CONTENT and not the content manager

i've seen people complaining on mainstream boards too , and none of them even heard of ST so.... Content is still the king as always ;)

I said it back a few pages but I'll say it again. I have 15 tgps that are all my galleries meaning i don't allow submits and use hosted galleries and a nice mix of galleries i make up by hand.

Now 13 of the 15 don't skim traffic and have no tgp software, just a 7 day rotation of galleries via php code i set up. The 2 newest ones are Smart thumbs and are about 2 mos old. Untill the other day they both owned the number one spot on google for their site's names but now are both on page 6. Now the thing that tells me that it's this script getting banned is now 5 of my other 13 sites are listed on the first page of searches for one other banned smart thumbs sites.

1200mics · 06-22-2009, 01:25 PM

I checked my sites with Google webmaster tools and everything says it's ok !

It's sure this is bulk penalty regardless all sites running ST script ... what can we do now ? Wait or act by writing petition to Google webmasters board to change the penalty rule ?

leonxm · 06-22-2009, 01:25 PM

my advice to all
if you think your site absolutely perfect for SEO and there is nothing else you can improve so go ahead and change script, but if you do have at least 1 small idea of what need to be changed go ahead and improve your site , spent your time to get better ,and stop look for who to blame

InternetIsForPorn · 06-22-2009, 02:26 PM

If anyone needs help with it, I know exactly what you need to do to at least partially come back up.

Email me if you need help.

Klen · 06-22-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 1200mics

I checked my sites with Google webmaster tools and everything says it's ok !

It's sure this is bulk penalty regardless all sites running ST script ... what can we do now ? Wait or act by writing petition to Google webmasters board to change the penalty rule ?

Yes that is kind a weird,webmaster tools even shows position untouched.But tools cannot show all backlinks one way or another.

Tempest · 06-22-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I think I just stumbled upon the best theory... Thanks to http://www.scarecrowmovies.com/ for posting his logs online.

There are a lot of pharmacy spammers that are using st.php to get to their URL's...

Example:
http://www.scarecrowmovies.com/st/st.../mirror/32238/

So I believe Google decided to screw anyone with st.php and url on the page. This doesn't mean other scripts are not susceptible to this same attack. It just means some Russian idiot decided to target ST since it is the most widely available script.

If true then that sucks as there's no good way to block it. i.e. if you use mod_rewrite to only allow your domain as the referer then you loose all the people surfing with no referer. Everyone could rename st.php to something random I suppose. Or perhaps a "session" key inserted into the url but that would have to come from smart scripts.

Pleasurepays · 06-22-2009, 04:42 PM

google is not targeting specific scripts. they certainly aren't going out of their way to improve adult porn results with manual tweaks to target specific people using specific scripts.

CyberHustler · 06-22-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

.htaccess

Code:

deny from all

dready · 06-22-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

google is not targeting specific scripts. they certainly aren't going out of their way to improve adult porn results with manual tweaks to target specific people using specific scripts.

Agreed, but something is ST is sticking out like a sore thumb.

nomercy · 06-22-2009, 10:00 PM

Going by the Google /st/ filter theory, any ST-based site that is not affected by the filter should be analyzed and compared to those that are... Like the Outbreak monkey: it's a carrier, but it's not affected by the virus.

Now we need to dissect these surviving ST sites and create an antidote serum from them... quick, hurry, there's not much time! Get on the chopper!

FilthyRob · 06-22-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Says the guy with another guys cock as his avatar...

06-21-2009, 11:51 AM	#209
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Imagine the freakout if google banned wordpress. __________________ https://porncorporation.com

06-21-2009, 12:44 PM	#217
SteelArt Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 33	btw, i run 10 sites, 7 of them are using ST, 2 of them are using TGPX and one site using comus thumbs. 6 out of 7 ST sites are thumb MGPs and they are penalized. One ST site is a text MGP and it's not penalized. Two sites with TGPX aren't penalized and one site with comus thumbs is not penalized too. All 10 sites are using linkex to add/remove hardlinks at the bottom. __________________ SteelArt Last edited by SteelArt; 06-21-2009 at 12:46 PM.. Reason: found an error

06-21-2009, 02:52 PM	#221
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Google is trying to tell us that mgp & tgp are dead to them. __________________ https://porncorporation.com

06-21-2009, 05:27 PM	#224
Nicky Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	Too bad for those of you running ST. I wonder if this is just a "1st faze" of some bigger knock on sites using scripts to trade traffic and links. __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

06-22-2009, 01:58 AM	#229
CyberHustler Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 25,340	.htaccess Code: deny from all

06-21-2009, 08:10 AM	#202
Carmine Raguso So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 2,158	200 Google bans edit : make that 202

06-21-2009, 09:49 AM	#208
FreeHugeMovies Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 14,137	Godsmack is a great guy and will try to sort this out for everyone.

06-21-2009, 12:22 PM	#212
Carmine Raguso So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 2,158	And just to clarify, I am not saying that everyone affected had anything to do with ( http://www.smart-scripts.com/?action...tubsrqn6ir k3 ) I'm saying that when a company that creates a script such as the one linked above, and people use it, well.... the ban hammer comes down. It's nothing personal, it's Google's way of saying "enough is enough" with your crap. Remember, they have people that actually work over there too. It's not all about robots.

06-21-2009, 12:27 PM	#213
CyberHustler Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 25,340	That script sounds just like openx, except openx is free and doesn't fuck up ya google stuffs (not saying smart spots does).

06-21-2009, 12:34 PM	#216
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	You ST guys might want to consider putting a rel="nofollow" on all your gallery links.

06-22-2009, 12:46 AM	#228
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,397	I think I just stumbled upon the best theory... Thanks to http://www.scarecrowmovies.com/ for posting his logs online. There are a lot of pharmacy spammers that are using st.php to get to their URL's... Example: http://www.scarecrowmovies.com/st/st.../mirror/32238/ So I believe Google decided to screw anyone with st.php and url on the page. This doesn't mean other scripts are not susceptible to this same attack. It just means some Russian idiot decided to target ST since it is the most widely available script.

06-22-2009, 08:01 AM	#232
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Mmmmm, okay then __________________ I'm just a newbie.

06-22-2009, 10:15 AM	#234
leonxm Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: israel / Thailand Posts: 552	personally i think its the first time in 8 years online i see people blaming script for SEO ranking i see some sites droped i see some sites up or stayed and all using ST , just because its a great and many people using it and thats the reason many got affected, but before blaming the script have you checked if the guys that still on top 1) working harder on their links ? 2) hand written gallery descs ( and not duplicate as on other 10000's sites ) 3) adding additional content on the site except same gals as 10000's others 4) SEO friendly html 5) SEO friendly site structure the list of things can be endless, but one thing is sure if you do get penalty its because of the CONTENT and not the content manager i've seen people complaining on mainstream boards too , and none of them even heard of ST so.... Content is still the king as always ;) __________________ ----------- Porn X Vidz 1 Porn Sites

06-22-2009, 10:19 AM	#235
dready Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 5,247	It looks like the Smart Thumbs guys are being very proactive on this issue and will hopefully have an update out shortly. They said they will be starting testing on it tomorrow. __________________ ICQ: 91139591

06-22-2009, 10:41 AM	#237
leonxm Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: israel / Thailand Posts: 552	almost everybody know that google dont like blogs on RSS and yet nobody keep blaiming WP __________________ ----------- Porn X Vidz 1 Porn Sites

06-22-2009, 11:16 AM	#239
Meeper Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Beverly Hills, CA Posts: 2,642	Horrible news, I hope this gets sorted out soon. My TGP's got owned too =( __________________ *Nick "Meeper"* Amoroso [SIZE="1"] Hustler.com / BarelyLegal.com / HustlersReviews.com / HustlerTube.com / HustlerShare.com**

06-22-2009, 01:25 PM	#241
1200mics Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: ICQ : 297-476-738 Posts: 5,131	I checked my sites with Google webmaster tools and everything says it's ok ! It's sure this is bulk penalty regardless all sites running ST script ... what can we do now ? Wait or act by writing petition to Google webmasters board to change the penalty rule ? __________________

06-22-2009, 01:25 PM	#242
leonxm Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: israel / Thailand Posts: 552	my advice to all if you think your site absolutely perfect for SEO and there is nothing else you can improve so go ahead and change script, but if you do have at least 1 small idea of what need to be changed go ahead and improve your site , spent your time to get better ,and stop look for who to blame __________________ ----------- Porn X Vidz 1 Porn Sites

06-22-2009, 02:26 PM	#243
InternetIsForPorn Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 848	If anyone needs help with it, I know exactly what you need to do to at least partially come back up. Email me if you need help.

06-22-2009, 04:42 PM	#246
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	google is not targeting specific scripts. they certainly aren't going out of their way to improve adult porn results with manual tweaks to target specific people using specific scripts.

06-22-2009, 10:00 PM	#249
nomercy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: California Posts: 48	Going by the Google /st/ filter theory, any ST-based site that is not affected by the filter should be analyzed and compared to those that are... Like the Outbreak monkey: it's a carrier, but it's not affected by the virus. Now we need to dissect these surviving ST sites and create an antidote serum from them... quick, hurry, there's not much time! Get on the chopper!