By the end of the weekend everyone will know who the HIV performer is

[mikesouth]

As well as who she worked with, for what company and who the producer/director is

AIM has threatened them NOT to come forward or they will face legal action but its going to get out

And the LA Times will do a story on it....Thats my prediction

heres how you will know

Lucifer

London and Paris

Hans Holbein

Tennessee Williams

Time will tell if Im right

[tical]

wasn't she identified already?

[ninavain]

we shall see

[mikesouth]

Not to my knowledge, and Nina you are owed a debt of gratitude by everyone in porn who believes they have the right to know if they are potentially being exposed to HIV

This fiasco may well bring down AIM with the LA health dept and the CA government taking over and regulating but AIM can only blame themselves

[Mutt]

yeah i heard they got some shooter who shot the male talent and the second generation risk female not to talk, i just don't know why that shooter would feel obligated to take orders from AIM. i guess they suggested that if they speak there would be at serious financial legal risk. which i think is total horseshit.

[Mutt]

i don't think many people in the industry are familiar with this poor girl who got HIV.

[ninavain]

Originally Posted by Mutt

i don't think many people in the industry are familiar with this poor girl who got HIV.

think again

[ottyhotties]

If AIM is threatening lawsuits against the performer or performers who tested positive it's time to fold AIM up! If the performer or performers want to talk they have first amendment rights. I wish they wouldn't talk since Drudge linked the story already and he'll link the more sensational news.

[ninavain]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Not to my knowledge, and Nina you are owed a debt of gratitude by everyone in porn who believes they have the right to know if they are potentially being exposed to HIV

This fiasco may well bring down AIM with the LA health dept and the CA government taking over and regulating but AIM can only blame themselves

Thanks,mike
I must say the story of the "undisclosed 16 more cases" really floored me

On what grounds would AIM sue? Sounds frivolous.

[mikesouth]

honestly Nina I knew AIM was low but I had no idea how low they would go.

But fact is they did themselves in most likely, and they drove a stake into the heart of an already dying biz.

Is AIM really the best we could do? A rag tag bunch of ex addicts led by a chick with a dimestore diploma who insists on running around in a lab coat and calling herself a doctor?

We sure got what we paid for

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by ninavain

Thanks,mike
I must say the story of the "undisclosed 16 more cases" really floored me

well this is a new statement on their site

"Also, while serving the Adult Entertainment Industry, most talent have an HIV test from AIM, to present on the set when they arrive. Typically, in the Heterosexual Porn Industry which does not utilize condoms regularly, folks who desire to be talent will not be hired with an HIV positive test. AIM, continues to follow reporting regulations and does so to the County Health Department, as well as refers Positive patients for desired treatment either private or non profit. This is why they are not "publicized" as they had never fulfilled the desire to work in Adult Entertainment, due to the positive test. These are the two categories that the "16 HIV cases since 2004" are involved. All cases were reported, and referred for treatment."

if this means the 16 people never got into the business because of their positive I dont see why they would need to do anything?

[mikesouth]

And you expect them to say otherwise?

Surely you arent that naive, unless we know who they were we are going to take AIMs word for it?

The LA Times said there were at least 16 PERFORMERS who tested positive correct me if I am wrong but you aint a performer if you never performed.

AIM lies

[ottyhotties]

I'm wondering if AIM plans to say they're non performers if the card/tests ever expired on a performer in the past. Threatening lawsuits I just don't trust AIM; they seem to be in serious cover their ass mode!

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by ninavain

think again

when i heard the name somebody did come to mind - but i dismissed it as a possibility.

so you're saying this girl is fairly well known to webmasters? or well known to people in the LA porn industry?

[babymaker]

Originally Posted by Mutt

when i heard the name somebody did come to mind - but i dismissed it as a possibility.

so you're saying this girl is fairly well known to webmasters? or well known to people in the LA porn industry?

I am guessing a MILf with a pretty big solo site that gets gangbanged mostly by black cocks and untested and creampied, i have a few in mind.

Guessing i am right from a bunch of little bits in various posts??? Who knows.

[STAROTICA]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Not to my knowledge, and Nina you are owed a debt of gratitude by everyone in porn who believes they have the right to know if they are potentially being exposed to HIV

This fiasco may well bring down AIM with the LA health dept and the CA government taking over and regulating but AIM can only blame themselves

California does not have any cash......no money.....deficit....its NEVER going to happen....no matter how much publicity they get and how many people kick and scream!


good try through.....

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by babymaker

I am guessing a MILf with a pretty big solo site that gets gangbanged mostly by black cocks and untested and creampied, i have a few in mind.

Guessing i am right from a bunch of little bits in various posts??? Who knows.

one came instantly to mind but i told the person that i thought it was a very remote chance it could be her.

[rayadp05]

I am not familiar with any of the names on that list.

[Manowar]

Originally Posted by babymaker

I am guessing a MILf with a pretty big solo site that gets gangbanged mostly by black cocks and untested and creampied, i have a few in mind.

Guessing i am right from a bunch of little bits in various posts??? Who knows.

Interesting, I'm thinking someone now but time will tell

[voa]

that is good to know who is it.

[babymaker]

Originally Posted by Manowar

Interesting, I'm thinking someone now but time will tell

Sounds like i am on the right path, but i have no real clue. Suspence is killing me.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Sounds like a personal and industry PR disaster.

[Jim_Gunn]

I don't know anything about patient zero or anything surrounding this news, but from what I read it sounds to me like all those supposed other positive cases that just came to light were some prospective talent trying to get in the biz that no one has ever heard of and some gay male performers that none of us in the straight side of the biz have ever worked with. Since AIM is being so tight lipped, the fact that the newspapers and wire services reported that a whole bunch of industry performers suddenly have HIV may be a gross distortion of the truth, or at very best misleading to John Q Public or the California authorities who may read the news and conclude that a bunch of porn industry performers recently gave HIV to one another. That's what the news makes it sound like, even if the reality is far afield from that. In any case, this is indeed bad p.r. for the biz and I hope this all turns out to be big mistake.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

This fiasco may well bring down AIM with the LA health dept and the CA government taking over and regulating but AIM can only blame themselves

The CA government can't keep a park open for crying out loud.

If they take over expect to see your testing fees go through the roof.

[NemesisEnforcer]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

As well as who she worked with, for what company and who the producer/director is

...

Time will tell if Im right

You're right, all that information is already out.

[cherrylula]

I guess we will see...

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

You're right, all that information is already out.

and spreading like wildfire through erotica LA no doubt...good

Fuck AIM

[babymaker]

--------bump--------- for a good thread

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

You're right, all that information is already out.

Where is it available?

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Where is it available?

he wishes

[eroticsexxx]

And the US government is probably rubbing its hands in glee as the industry implodes due to those who are "outraged" that AIM didn't ring the alarm for the whole world to hear every time a positive test came out.

Think people, THINK!

The adult entertainment industry is a vulnerable target. Knowing the higher risk, AIM most likely took a cautious approach to releasing information about positive tests as they occurred.

The problem at hand is that the industry is filled with persons who do not think strategically and would rather cut their noses off to spite their own face than let AIM do what it is good at.

My point: Imagine if every time AIM got a positive result they blasted it out to all of the mainstream media. The Adult Entertainment industry would cease to exist from the negative backlash from the public. Every positive result released to the public is negative publicity. Plus it brings US companies devastatingly closer to being regulated by the US government.

SOME PERSONS IN THIS INDUSTRY DO NEED TO LEARN THE ART OF DISCRETION.

Keep it up guys. Kill your own incomes. Your 15 minutes of fame could possibly cause what used to be a self-regulated industry to be taken over by the CDC or the regulation bar raised to a level that demolishes everyone but the larger companies in adult.

Those of us who shoot, edit and promote porn need to stop being media leaks and LET AIM DO WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

When the faeces hits the oscillating unit and US companies are suddenly wondering why they can't operate as freely as they once did, I would hope that everyone who is raising a stink about this present situation knows that THIS INCIDENT is where it all started to fall apart...

[mikesouth]

AIM created this problem themselves

when asked they lied. had they been forthright this wouldnt have blown up. they compounded the problem and made people dig deeper, now they are going to diog very deep and AIM has only themselves to blame.

[eroticsexxx]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

AIM created this problem themselves

when asked they lied. had they been forthright this wouldnt have blown up. they compounded the problem and made people dig deeper, now they are going to diog very deep and AIM has only themselves to blame.

Follow the trail of disclosure.

Nina came on here with information that should not have been released in first place. AIM handled the other cases in a very private, very confidential fashion.

When people who are outside of the medical industry get access to information of that nature, they should respect medical protocol.

It doesn't matter what degrees anyone involved in this matter has. We are talking about a facility that has specific guidelines that protect this industry.

When hacks get involved we end up with the mess that we currently have.

It should have been handled just as the other cases were. There were no outbreaks in those other positive cases and there most likely will not be one with this case.

Unfortunately with all of these industry people making their own assumptions about something that they shouldn't have been privy to in the first place, the situation has been blown out of proportion.

Discretion is the greater part of valor and those in this industry who went ahead and exposed things that they had no clue of dealing with need to be reprimanded.

[Major (Tom)]

1, homos should be tested every 3 days.
2, all male talent should carry a card saying that they go both ways if they do..
3, we have the right to know who patient 0 is.
4, why is avn and xbiz slowing trying to mix the gay market in with the straight. When im taking a dump and reading xbiz or avn, the last thing i need to see is some emo twink or some muscle bear in leather strutting it like the straight readers want to see this shit. common xbiz and avn.. enough with this shit.

real talk..
Duke

[eroticsexxx]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

we have the right to know who patient 0 is.

Legally, the only persons who are required to know are those who were directly in contact with the HIV+ person.

Medical facilities worldwide follow that practice due to World Health Organization procedural requirements.

[billyb]

Ok we don't need to know at all, allright!, so in this shity! economy, what would stop this person or persons from forging their test?. As you say we don't know who they are?, well actually those here already know the parties involved.

If you trust anyone in this industry to be honest, your fooling yourself. How do you think the outbreak in 96 got started?, by a guy who was forging his test. I don't trust anyone here, and as someone who shoots' here as do others, we are on a need to know basis.

How would I know who is on the first and second generation list?. What would happen if I hired a person who is on the list and I did not know. Then somebody found out I shot someone on the list, now I am liable.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by eroticsexxx

Legally, the only persons who are required to know are those who were directly in contact with the HIV+ person.

Medical facilities worldwide follow that practice due to World Health Organization procedural requirements.

Thats not true when you take your aim test you sign away those rights. And if they had to follow that there would no point to aim. If a porn actor tests postive the world should be told. One it shows the industry is on top of their shit and secondly not every one is a producer in LA.

[jmcb420]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I hope this all turns out to be big mistake.

I'm with you.

This has the makings of something terrible.

[eroticsexxx]

Originally Posted by tony404

you sign away those rights.

Only to the degree where other industry professionals who may be directly involved in that production can be informed.

Not for the entire nation to be put on alert that a porn actor contracted HIV.

Originally Posted by tony404

If a porn actor tests postive the world should be told.

And that is where we differ in opinion. You're not thinking in terms of PR over the long term for the adult industry. Right wingers in the US would have a field day with that information. The adult industry would have been tightly regulated by the government at this very moment if those test results were released on a case by case basis, especially with GW at the helm.

Just look at how readily the information was distorted thus far about the persons who tested positive, but never worked in the industry. They were referenced by the LA Times as adult industry workers.

The adult industry needs a medical facility that can reliably test actors and actresses in addition to having the long term marketability of the entire industry at heart.

[Matyko]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

3, we have the right to know who patient 0 is.

We only have the right to know who is the director/producer who let the patient 0 work w/o proper papers.


Btw some smart ppl in this thread - however this whole case is handled So Unprofessional and So Crazy [I mean especially the donnylong threads with almost all the content in them] it makes me sad and disappointed.

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by eroticsexxx

Legally, the only persons who are required to know are those who were directly in contact with the HIV+ person.

Medical facilities worldwide follow that practice due to World Health Organization procedural requirements.

Thats the thing.. were all swimming in the same water.. if someone pisses in it i want to know who.

Duke

[DWB]

Originally Posted by billyb

what would stop this person or persons from forging their test?

Nothing.

I caught Jade Marcella using a bogus AIM test back many years ago when she was working a lot. I told AIM and her agent at the time, World Modeling, neither cared.

I'm sure this sort of thing happens from time to time. I mean, lets be honest, we're not exactly dealing with pillars of society here.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Thats the thing.. were all swimming in the same water.. if someone pisses in it i want to know who.

Duke

The whole thing is flawed though. You shoot some black whore for Ghetto Gaggers on Monday, she has a clean bill of health from AIM, but you are not aware she was at some ghetto ass freak party on Thursday, sucking 50 black dicks and fucking guys in the back room bareback for $100 a pop. You are also not aware of her four escort clients over the weekend where two of them paid her extra to fuck her bareback.

She now shows up on your set, perhaps HIV is running rampant through her system because one of those guys she fucked raw also happens to take cock up the ass. Buuuuut... her AIM test says she is clean.

My point is, people are always pissing in the pool and most of the time it's people you don't even know about.

Any test is better than no test, I won't argue that. But I do believe too many producers and actors have a false sense of security with AIM and their tests, when in reality, you don't know who pissed in the pool just two hours before they show up on your set.

It's a scary business.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[DWB]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

ADG

Pretty much.

[Robbie]

So what is needed is affordable "instant" testing.
Since so many of the people think that porn valley is the entire porn business...How about this:
http://www.socalhivtest.com/

That's results in 20 minutes for HIV for $120. You can get the DNA PCR HIV Test Combo results next day for $295

So a large company who shoots 4 to 5 scenes a day with different girls and different guys and has legit concerns in California regarding the laws on "worker safety" could use this type of facility and have some peace of mind...oh wait...They can't because they made a deal with AIM and a couple of others (TalenTesting) to only accept their results. So they've shut themselves out of the ability to get "instant" tests

If they hadn't done that, and had the ability to have the talent tested within hours of a shoot...that pool we're all swimming in would be a lot cleaner. Hell, as a producer you could actually accompany the talent to the facility and observe them being tested. No worries there about forgery.

And I've read in a couple of places that there is a VERY affordable oral mouth strip test coming soon over the counter. That would be even better. Then talent could be tested once a month for other STD's and HEP. And tested right on the spot at the shoot location for HIV.

[Robbie]

Anybody ever heard of these guys?

http://www.tstd.org/index.php

Their test does include hepatitis. I checked for their draw centers using my zip and came up with a page full as well. They say they are the lowest priced but I can't find any pricing.

[billyb]

Robbie no offense!, but who the hell is shooting five scnes a day anymore?. The big gonzo companies except maybe 5-6 are even shooting now. So talent can't even pay for a test now that is $120, let alone $295.

There simply is not that much work to justfy spending even spending the $120 for some people. All of those instant test are eliza based test, which the eliza test can have a window period of up to six months.

I am just glad that it HIV is extremly hard to contract on the straight side. As we all know us porn people have strange sex lives to some. AIM caught this one, although I don't know what the women question was doing working on an expired test.

We know the director and the company that this was filmed for, and if this is all true that the director shot a person without a valid test, he is fucked! and so is the company. As I see it AIM is the best we have right now, I don't see what else could of been done?, except not shooting someone with an expired test.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by billyb

Robbie no offense!, but who the hell is shooting five scnes a day anymore?. The big gonzo companies except maybe 5-6 are even shooting now. So talent can't even pay for a test now that is $120, let alone $295.
.

No offense taken. Claudia-Marie shot for Naughty America (they came here to Vegas for a couple of weeks) and they were shooting 4 scenes a day just like always. I'm sure Brazzers & Bang Bros/Nasty Dollars are shooting that schedule as well just like always. They have to to keep weekly updates for all of their websites.

And I guess I was kinda saying that with companies of that size and with that much to lose, it would probably behoove them to set up a deal with an "instant" testing company to send them all their business and get a discount AND pay for the talent testing themselves.