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Old 06-26-2009, 01:48 PM   #1
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If you buy smokes online, read this crap

We recieved this email from the place we buy our smokes from.

*** TIME IS RUNNING OUT! ***
Your Senators will be voting shortly to make ALL TOBACCO PRODUCTS NON-MAILABLE!!!

WE NEED YOUR HELP TO TELL YOUR SENATORS NOT TO PASS THIS BILL !!!

(This has ALREADY BEEN PASSED in the House of Representatives !!!)

THE SITUATION: Right now there is legislation pending in the United States Senate - the Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act of 2009 ("PACT Act") (S.1147) which contains, among other bad ideas, a provision to make ALL cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products nonmailable. This legislation has already been passed by the House of Representatives and is currently in a Senate Committee that could send it to the Senate floor at any time for a vote!


WHAT THIS MEANS TO YOU: By making all cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products nonmailable, the Senate is ensuring you will no longer be able to purchase these products by mail-order, telephone order, or over the Internet because the United States Postal Service, along with UPS, Fed-Ex and all other carriers, will be prohibited by law from delivering your orders to you. Taking away your options means forcing you back to buying over-priced tobacco products from your local retailer once again.


WHY WE NEED YOUR HELP: Native American cigarette and tobacco sellers are committed to doing everything we can to stop the PACT Act, but we need your help. Your Senators work for you and as their constituents, it is your voice and your vote that counts!


WHAT YOU CAN DO: Contact your Senators and tell them not to pass the PACT Act. Your Senators should be protecting your interests, but it is up to you to let them know what you think about the PACT Act. There are three easy ways to contact your Senators - by telephone, email, or regular mail - all of which are explained below. Every state has two Senators - please remember to contact BOTH Senators for your state. At this point time is crucial, so a phone call is by far the best means to use.


YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION: As an American Citizen, it is your right to let your Senators know how you feel about any action Congress takes. You elected your Senators to represent you and they can only do this if you tell them what you want. When you contact your Senator you do not need to identify yourself as a smoker or as someone who purchases cigarettes and/or smokeless tobacco products by mail-order, telephone-order, and/or the Internet. You only need to identify yourself as a resident of the state they represent.
SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE PACT ACT TO DISCUSS WITH YOUR SENATORS:

THE POSTAL SERVICE: The price of stamps is being raised practically every year. The PACT Act will take an entire class of legal, non-hazardous goods and make them nonmailable. What this means is a huge loss of business (potentially hundreds of millions of dollars) for the Postal Service. Will they continue to raise the price of stamps and other mail services to compensate for their lost income? The United States Postal Service is already suffering a fiscal crisis due to the downturn in the economy. If the PACT Act is passed and millions of dollars of revenue are taken away, there could be serious consequences for consumers, including reducing the number of delivery days from 6 per week down to 5 or perhaps only 4 days per week.

COST: When the PACT Act of 2003 (S.1177) passed the Senate, the Congressional Budget Office prepared a Cost Estimate for the Bill. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that the PACT Act of 2003 would cost about $140 MILLION over the 2004-2008 period to enforce. $140 Million over four years - and that estimate is already six years old. How much will the PACT Act of 2009 cost to enforce? Isn't there a better way to spend our tax dollars?
TWO IMPORTANT THINGS TO REMEMBER WHEN COMMUNICATING WITH YOUR SENATORS:

1. Tell your Senators that you are one of their constituents and provide an address so they know where in the state you are from. Since anyone can contact a Senator, it is important that you let your Senators know that you live and vote in their home state. Because the Senators receive so much mail, mail from their constituents always takes priority.


2. Make it clear to your Senators that you DO NOT want them to pass the PACT Act of 2009 (S.1147). Let your Senators know that if they don't support you - you won't support them.


This is scary. If they pass this, what will they ban from shipping next?. Think about it.
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Old 06-26-2009, 01:59 PM   #2
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Old 06-26-2009, 02:19 PM   #3
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where's a good place to buy them online?

I starting looking around and found prices from $11 - $30 for marby filter plus and lights to the US
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Old 06-26-2009, 02:32 PM   #4
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I quit smoking about two years ago. I still smoke at shows from time to time. After twenty years of smoking, looking back I'm kicking myself for doing it.
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Old 06-26-2009, 02:39 PM   #5
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Old 06-26-2009, 02:40 PM   #6
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Old 06-26-2009, 02:46 PM   #7
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Its not just about smokes, Its about what kind of Pandora's Box are they opening. If the government makes 'smokes by mail' against the law, what will they ban next?. This opens a door that's better left closed.

Think about it.
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Old 06-26-2009, 02:53 PM   #8
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Its not just about smokes, Its about what kind of Pandora's Box are they opening. If the government makes 'smokes by mail' against the law, what will they ban next?. This opens a door that's better left closed.

Think about it.
Agreed.

People already know that cigarettes ain't exactly healthy (to put it mildly). We do not need any more tobacco laws.
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Old 06-26-2009, 03:21 PM   #9
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I have a cigarette site http://cheaperbutts.com
those prices are almost the same as my local cig outlet
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Old 06-26-2009, 03:41 PM   #10
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Not exactly shocking, it was a nice loophole to buy tax free smokes, it was just a matter of time before it got closed down...
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Old 06-26-2009, 04:08 PM   #11
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This is scary. If they pass this, what will they ban from shipping next?. Think about it.
That's the dumbest argument ever.

It's already not technically legal to avoid paying state and local taxes by buying cigarettes online from overseas. This will just be a way to enforce that.

I love how people all of a sudden care about slippery slopes and pandora's box and individual liberty when a law is going to affect their habit.

The govt is drowning in red ink, I doubt your Senators are going to pity you having to pay full price for your smokes. If they cared, they wouldn't have just raised taxes on smokes by 6 bucks a carton.
Save your paper and stamp on that letter, it ain't going to do you a bit of good.
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Old 06-26-2009, 04:10 PM   #12
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where's a good place to buy them online?

I starting looking around and found prices from $11 - $30 for marby filter plus and lights to the US
Don't be shocked if you're disappointed with the smokes you buy online.

I used to smoke marlboro reds and I bought some that I think came from russia a few years back. They were definitely made differently than the ones made in the states.
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Old 06-26-2009, 05:25 PM   #13
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Don't be shocked if you're disappointed with the smokes you buy online.

I used to smoke marlboro reds and I bought some that I think came from russia a few years back. They were definitely made differently than the ones made in the states.
I like European Marlboro Lights a lot better than the US ones. They are more like Mediums.
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Old 06-26-2009, 05:35 PM   #14
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I like European Marlboro Lights a lot better than the US ones. They are more like Mediums.
After 20 years of smoking reds, I was never "satisfied" with anything else. Even non filters didn't give me enough of a "hit".

I'm glad I was able to quit though.
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Old 06-26-2009, 05:40 PM   #15
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After 20 years of smoking reds, I was never "satisfied" with anything else. Even non filters didn't give me enough of a "hit".

I'm glad I was able to quit though.
How did you manage to quit?. My hubby and I are seriously thinking about quiting anyway.

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