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webmasterchecks · 06-29-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by iBill

2. We are going to offer a 5% per transaction fee with a 5% 6 month reserve  for a period of 6 months.

3. No VISA fees, we pay for the filings.     

everything else aside, i dont know how you expect to start this biz back up when your going to lose money right from the start. its my understanding that caused the demise of the 2nd version of ibill, charging clients less than cost to keep them billing with you.

notime · 06-29-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE

Hmmm...

Okay, I can certainly understand if you don't want to name names but.... is there a reliable online source that lists all the billing companies that were started by (or are currently run by) former iBill people?

Most of us are familiar with the name that comes up most often in this context but not necessarily with the others.

I have no idea if there is an online source for that.

MichaelP · 06-29-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc

WOW Awesome Pic!

ok now, I,m asking myself who will trust the name (and sale pitch) enough to get back there? Many many peeps lost tons of money back in the day...

MichaelP · 06-29-2009, 01:35 PM

notime · 06-29-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by whatif_3

i doubt it, you gave to read between the lines, apparently 365 billing (gone), segpay(still around, i think) and apparently commercegate? charles is a pretty reliable source

Not saying here that Charles is not reliable. But that kind of intel would seriously surprise me if it was so after meeting and seeing CG people personally over this many years.

DynamiteJohnson · 06-29-2009, 01:43 PM

You have got to be kidding! Spoiled milk doesn't magically get better by putting it back in the refridgerator. Same is if Ibill was an ugly woman, as the saying goes, "I wouldn't fuck her with YOUR dick."

Keep your 5% bribe and crawl back into whatever hole you crawled out of.

F-U-Jimmy · 06-29-2009, 02:23 PM

Im 100% sure this IBILL.net is for real. I mean why go to all the trouble of putting up a new site, just to stir up shit ? I don't think so. I think this Joans character thought he could profit by using the IBILL name. He obviously did not count on web-masters having a long memory.

iBill, Inc.
4340 East Kentucky Ave Suite 408
Glendale, Colorado 80246

Anyone live near by ?

F-U-Jimmy · 06-29-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by iBill

I will though welcome and answer any other questions.  

Thank you  
Jonas
 iBIll.net

I guess this was another lie ? Just the start of many more to come

DebsDeep · 06-29-2009, 02:39 PM

how about i send yu this bad check i have and you send me the money

JFK · 06-29-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SGS

Only in the adult industry....

indeed

MsCheyenne · 06-29-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by F-U-Jimmy

Im 100% sure this IBILL.net is for real. I mean why go to all the trouble of putting up a new site, just to stir up shit ? I don't think so. I think this Joans character thought he could profit by using the IBILL name. He obviously did not count on web-masters having a long memory.

iBill, Inc.
4340 East Kentucky Ave Suite 408
Glendale, Colorado 80246

Anyone live near by ?

Ibill took me for 20k. They took others for much more. Some people lost their homes over Ibill's dishonesty. Keep in mind that Ibill had been around for a long time. Customers who had been with Ibill for years believed in them. They trusted their story about delayed payments and promises to make it right. Webmasters, however fucking stupid in retrospect, stood by Ibill with the loyalty people would give to their local football team. It is not likely Ibill will be forgotten. Not any time soon.

Cheyenne

Pleasurepays · 06-29-2009, 03:08 PM

i'm curious... since we're reminiscing about the old days and the original Ibill

do you guys still allow processing for spammers who join other sites, download the entire members area and then throw up a fake front end/join page on a throwaway domain, with members accessing the normal members area on another domain?

what about scat and bestiality? still allow that in the exit consoles as long as everyone is discreet about it?

pray to god i don't get motivated to find my e-mail backups from 98/99.

BTW... where's Holly? are you going to hire here to be a board whore again and cover for spammers with fake "hey thank you, we've terminated that account" responses to "hey Ibill, i found a spammer" threads... even though only sub account id's are being terminated with a certain few being able to generate unlimited sub accounts on the fly with special admin permissions?

are you guys still willing to fly around the world to give your customer e-mail databases to spammers? Greg and Scott probably aren't interested these days... but others definitely might be.

it won't be as lucrative of course.. scat and bestiality are a little more illegal now and AOL is pretty good at blocking spam and you won't have the usual suspects sending you that steady 1000-2000 joins a day from dial up connections of course like the good old days... but there's probably still some money in it.

just curious how much of the "Original Ibill" you represent

you know... just making friendly chit chat.

now's your time to shine.

F-U-Jimmy · 06-29-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i'm curious... since we're reminiscing about the old days and the original Ibill

do you guys still allow processing for spammers who join other sites, download the entire members area and then throw up a fake front end/join page on a throwaway domain, with members accessing the normal members area on another domain?

what about scat and bestiality? still allow that in the exit consoles as long as everyone is discreet about it?

pray to god i don't get motivated to find my e-mail backups from 98/99.

BTW... where's Holly? are you going to hire here to be a board whore again and cover for spammers with fake "hey thank you, we've terminated that account" responses to "hey Ibill, i found a spammer" threads... even though only sub account id's are being terminated with a certain few being able to generate unlimited sub accounts on the fly with special admin permissions?

are you guys still willing to fly around the world to give your customer e-mail databases to spammers? Greg and Scott probably aren't interested these days... but others definitely might be.

it won't be as lucrative of course.. scat and bestiality are a little more illegal now and AOL is pretty good at blocking spam and you won't have the usual suspects sending you that steady 1000-2000 joins a day from dial up connections of course like the good old days... but there's probably still some money in it.

just curious how much of the "Original Ibill" you represent

you know... just making friendly chit chat.

now's your time to shine.

You have a good memory

But they have had 4 days to reply to all the questions posted here. I doubt they have the guts or intelligents to answer

GregE · 06-29-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by notime

I have no idea if there is an online source for that.

I would be rather surprised if there was.

Too bad. That would have been a damn good link to add to my webmaster resource page.

DatingGold · 06-29-2009, 06:26 PM

Still owe me money.. stop pointing fingers.

MsCheyenne · 06-29-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelP

WOW Awesome Pic!

ok now, I,m asking myself who will trust the name (and sale pitch) enough to get back there? Many many peeps lost tons of money back in the day...

A nun? Ohhhhhhhhh, you are going to hell.

F-U-Jimmy · 06-30-2009, 09:04 AM

Tuesdays bump

18teens · 06-30-2009, 12:14 PM

This has to be a joke. No one in their right mind will ever trust iBill again. If it's not a joke and iBill is really being revived, I want my fucking money - not stock in a company destined to crash and burn.

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2009, 02:25 PM

Yep, time to go back to the top

Rodrigo-Ibills · 06-30-2009, 03:01 PM

I am very happy to return to the Ibills team.

I have purchased a new clothing for my first day of work.

who · 06-30-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodrigo-Ibill

I am very happy to return to the Ibills team.

I have purchased a new clothing for my first day of work.

your boss is still dressed better

F-U-Jimmy · 07-01-2009, 08:50 AM

Bumpy time

F-U-Jimmy · 07-01-2009, 03:16 PM

Second bump of the day

CamTraffic · 07-01-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveDose

Never thought anyone could make this thread right. But you did.

HAWT.

ahahahhah

Holly Lez! · 07-01-2009, 04:58 PM

I thought this was a joke! As I did several years ago in Florida when the then owners of iBill came to the NakedSword booth and told me I could get the money they owed NakedSword if we processed with them again... We never saw a dime and probably they have not to this day! I am still really fucking bitter and will never ever ever work with Ibill you really do need luck but I am not going to wish it on you instead I will work with good companies like Epoch!

BergyK · 07-01-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by iBill

As you all know by now were back. I first want to say I am so sorry for everything that has happened to all the merchants who we worked with from 97 to 01 before iBill was sold to those crooks. No need to worry about them, they got what they deserved by the SEC (Securities Exchange Commission).

I was with iBill and some of you might remember me from all the promotions I had, as I was the Director of Business Development. I worked with a ton of you all. It was my Job to build iBill to what it was. I was with the company from 97 to 01 and left when it was sold.   

NOTE: At the time of the sale, every dollar was accounted for by an independent auditing company as part of the sale.   

Why did we start iBill back up, and not go with a new name?

Going with a new name was to easy, no one would ever know and we would not have to do damage control, but the easy way out was not the answer. We have been through all kinds of hell getting this name from the old people, and once we got it, the damage control started.  

Remember, iBill is the name, iBill did not steal you funds, the old owners did. I spent 5 years building the company into what it once was and to see it fall the way it did was heart breaking to me. That is why I wanted to restated iBill with a new vision and a new staff.   

Even though we don?t have the funds to cover the notes that the old iBill owners issued, we want to do what we can to make good in this deal.

 Here is what we are offering to anyone who was with iBill in the past to try to earn your business back.   

1. Send us a copy of your worthless promissory note and we will exchange it for stock in iBill at 1.00 per share. This is just our way of trying to make something out of nothing. We will be sending out the PPM on Sept 1, 09 as well as the certificates. Why not, it is free?

2. We are going to offer a 5% per transaction fee with a 5% 6 month reserve  for a period of 6 months.

3. No VISA fees, we pay for the filings.     

If you have any questions or comments about this offer please post here or you can email me directly at [email protected].   

PS please no more emails saying ?where is my fucking money? as I will not respond to those anymore as I feel I made myself clear here. I will though welcome and answer any other questions.  

Thank you  
Jonas
 iBIll.net

F--k you and your entire ibill crew. Wheres my 20K???

F-U-Jimmy · 07-02-2009, 09:48 AM

Time for another bump

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 07-02-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by who

This pic is wrong on so many levels

gandalfuy · 07-02-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RadicalSights

ccbill = winner?

Lykos · 07-02-2009, 05:44 PM

Is this a joke? what about all ppl u owe money to?
15k $ or so just to my partner,lol

F-U-Jimmy · 07-02-2009, 08:04 PM

The only joke is that they supposedly went through hell to get the name. What a bunch of tards

iTouch! · 07-02-2009, 08:09 PM

never heard of ibill and still wouldnt use it , pay your money back and make right... still nobodys going to join you ... maybe if you give everyone that posted here in this thread $100 to their epass to signup id give ya a try. hah!

F-U-Jimmy · 07-02-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by elitechris

never heard of ibill and still wouldnt use it , pay your money back and make right... still nobodys going to join you ... maybe if you give everyone that posted here in this thread $100 to their epass to signup id give ya a try. hah!

With Ibill you would end up losing the $100 and a few thousand $ more and thats if you are lucky

SilentKnight · 07-02-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by elitechris

never heard of ibill and still wouldnt use it , pay your money back and make right... still nobodys going to join you ... maybe if you give everyone that posted here in this thread $100 to their epass to signup id give ya a try. hah!

Thinking like that is what these crooked cunts count on.

And the reason why this thread continues to get bumped - to stress to newbs what a fucked up company iBill was/is/always will be.

MediaGuy · 07-02-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelP

WOW Awesome Pic!

ok now, I,m asking myself who will trust the name (and sale pitch) enough to get back there? Many many peeps lost tons of money back in the day...

Mosus de catholique!

:D

F-U-Jimmy · 07-03-2009, 04:37 AM

Middle-of-the-night insomnia BUMP

Jon Oso · 07-03-2009, 03:51 PM

iBill really owes a collective 33 million?

I would never even THINK to reopen a company with the same name and same owners if I owed that much money.

They just opened themselves up to one hell of a class action lawsuit. Even if they settle for 1/10th of what they owe out of court they're still going to pay out over 3 million.

getmouthy · 07-03-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Listen everyone one time announcement. Im starting a new company called enron and Im looking for serious investors.lol

alias · 07-03-2009, 04:54 PM

Nun's tits rule apparently!

seanchai · 07-03-2009, 10:27 PM

Brilliant! I've just re-watched Spinal Tap ... and now the Ibill relaunch.

Great marketing ... but for what?

F-U-Jimmy · 07-05-2009, 04:19 PM

Bump the fuckers

Webmaster Army · 07-05-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex

if you were owed money by old Ibill, then new Ibill still owes you that money. it doesn't matter who the owners are, it's the company that owes you... and it sounds like they now have funds.. so get a lawyer and sue them for funds owed DESPITE the owners of the company. Ibill is Ibill, same indusrty, same responsibilities.

It just doesn't work like that.

Nicky · 07-05-2009, 06:18 PM

Oh man, bad memories come to mind.

DaddyHalbucks · 07-05-2009, 07:15 PM

Maybe you could resurrect Enron, Edsel, and ValuJet while you are at it.

Rochard · 07-05-2009, 08:38 PM

Ibill skipped out of town with $10k of my money. On top of this, once we all figured out that Ibill fucked us in the ass, I had to change a lot of links, drop sponsors, and pick up new ones. The amount of damage that was done by Ibill was in the tens of thousands of dollars, and affected my affiliate sales for many months.

Fuck Ibill.

F-U-Jimmy · 07-06-2009, 08:22 AM

Bump time again

F-U-Jimmy · 07-06-2009, 02:48 PM

Monday PM bump

br4sco · 07-06-2009, 04:32 PM

bump for this so nobody gets screwed by these guys, use www.ccbill.com instead or something else

F-U-Jimmy · 07-07-2009, 12:04 AM

Anti IBILL bump

F-U-Jimmy · 07-07-2009, 08:48 AM

Bump to show everyone what Ibill did to porn

06-29-2009, 02:23 PM	#107
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	Im 100% sure this IBILL.net is for real. I mean why go to all the trouble of putting up a new site, just to stir up shit ? I don't think so. I think this Joans character thought he could profit by using the IBILL name. He obviously did not count on web-masters having a long memory. iBill, Inc. 4340 East Kentucky Ave Suite 408 Glendale, Colorado 80246 Anyone live near by ? __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

06-29-2009, 02:39 PM	#109
DebsDeep Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,649	how about i send yu this bad check i have and you send me the money __________________ http://www.gothamscreenprinting.com Cheapest T's Online. $5 tshirts printed, no minimums, no fees of anykind!!!!

06-29-2009, 06:26 PM	#115
DatingGold $6 PER EMAIL JOiN Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: California Posts: 13,185	Still owe me money.. stop pointing fingers. __________________ 9 Years of SOLID payouts and conversions! ADULT DATING - $100 PPS LIVE CAMS - $214 PPS WWW.DATINGGOLD.COM ICQ: 27442303

06-30-2009, 09:04 AM	#117
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	Tuesdays bump __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

06-30-2009, 02:25 PM	#119
Nikki_Licks Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 6,323	Yep, time to go back to the top __________________ Amateur Content ICQ: 292 356 077

06-29-2009, 01:35 PM	#104
MichaelP Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: QWEBEC Corporate Office Posts: 7,124

06-29-2009, 01:43 PM	#106
DynamiteJohnson So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 38	You have got to be kidding! Spoiled milk doesn't magically get better by putting it back in the refridgerator. Same is if Ibill was an ugly woman, as the saying goes, "I wouldn't fuck her with YOUR dick." Keep your 5% bribe and crawl back into whatever hole you crawled out of.

06-29-2009, 03:08 PM	#112
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	i'm curious... since we're reminiscing about the old days and the original Ibill do you guys still allow processing for spammers who join other sites, download the entire members area and then throw up a fake front end/join page on a throwaway domain, with members accessing the normal members area on another domain? what about scat and bestiality? still allow that in the exit consoles as long as everyone is discreet about it? pray to god i don't get motivated to find my e-mail backups from 98/99. BTW... where's Holly? are you going to hire here to be a board whore again and cover for spammers with fake "hey thank you, we've terminated that account" responses to "hey Ibill, i found a spammer" threads... even though only sub account id's are being terminated with a certain few being able to generate unlimited sub accounts on the fly with special admin permissions? are you guys still willing to fly around the world to give your customer e-mail databases to spammers? Greg and Scott probably aren't interested these days... but others definitely might be. it won't be as lucrative of course.. scat and bestiality are a little more illegal now and AOL is pretty good at blocking spam and you won't have the usual suspects sending you that steady 1000-2000 joins a day from dial up connections of course like the good old days... but there's probably still some money in it. just curious how much of the "Original Ibill" you represent you know... just making friendly chit chat. now's your time to shine.

06-30-2009, 12:14 PM	#118
18teens Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,605	This has to be a joke. No one in their right mind will ever trust iBill again. If it's not a joke and iBill is really being revived, I want my fucking money - not stock in a company destined to crash and burn.

06-30-2009, 03:01 PM	#120
Rodrigo-Ibills Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 349	I am very happy to return to the Ibills team. I have purchased a new clothing for my first day of work. __________________ AIM: RodrigoIbills Senior Customer Accusations Director Ibills the best billing solution out there I am Rodrigos and you take that to the banks!

07-01-2009, 08:50 AM	#122
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	Bumpy time __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

07-01-2009, 03:16 PM	#123
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	Second bump of the day __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

07-01-2009, 04:58 PM	#125
Holly Lez! She's back Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,480	I thought this was a joke! As I did several years ago in Florida when the then owners of iBill came to the NakedSword booth and told me I could get the money they owed NakedSword if we processed with them again... We never saw a dime and probably they have not to this day! I am still really fucking bitter and will never ever ever work with Ibill you really do need luck but I am not going to wish it on you instead I will work with good companies like Epoch! __________________ [email protected] Skype: hollyruprecht

07-02-2009, 09:48 AM	#127
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	Time for another bump __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

07-02-2009, 05:44 PM	#130
Lykos Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: World Posts: 31,017	Is this a joke? what about all ppl u owe money to? 15k $ or so just to my partner,lol __________________

07-02-2009, 08:04 PM	#131
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	The only joke is that they supposedly went through hell to get the name. What a bunch of tards __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

07-02-2009, 08:09 PM	#132
iTouch! So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: $ land Posts: 1,457	never heard of ibill and still wouldnt use it , pay your money back and make right... still nobodys going to join you ... maybe if you give everyone that posted here in this thread $100 to their epass to signup id give ya a try. hah!

07-03-2009, 04:37 AM	#136
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	Middle-of-the-night insomnia BUMP __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

07-03-2009, 03:51 PM	#137
Jon Oso Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cardboard Box Posts: 2,241	iBill really owes a collective 33 million? I would never even THINK to reopen a company with the same name and same owners if I owed that much money. They just opened themselves up to one hell of a class action lawsuit. Even if they settle for 1/10th of what they owe out of court they're still going to pay out over 3 million. __________________ icq 416133583 My Blog Clips4Sale Store

07-03-2009, 04:54 PM	#139
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Nun's tits rule apparently! __________________ https://porncorporation.com

07-03-2009, 10:27 PM	#140
seanchai A Grooby Guy Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 397	Brilliant! I've just re-watched Spinal Tap ... and now the Ibill relaunch. Great marketing ... but for what?

07-05-2009, 04:19 PM	#141
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	Bump the fuckers __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

07-05-2009, 06:18 PM	#143
Nicky Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	Oh man, bad memories come to mind. __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

07-05-2009, 07:15 PM	#144
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	Maybe you could resurrect Enron, Edsel, and ValuJet while you are at it. __________________ Boner Money

07-05-2009, 08:38 PM	#145
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 72,852	Ibill skipped out of town with $10k of my money. On top of this, once we all figured out that Ibill fucked us in the ass, I had to change a lot of links, drop sponsors, and pick up new ones. The amount of damage that was done by Ibill was in the tens of thousands of dollars, and affected my affiliate sales for many months. Fuck Ibill. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

07-06-2009, 08:22 AM	#146
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	Bump time again __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

07-06-2009, 02:48 PM	#147
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	Monday PM bump __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

07-06-2009, 04:32 PM	#148
br4sco So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: florida Posts: 348	bump for this so nobody gets screwed by these guys, use www.ccbill.com instead or something else

07-07-2009, 12:04 AM	#149
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	Anti IBILL bump __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

07-07-2009, 08:48 AM	#150
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	Bump to show everyone what Ibill did to porn __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!