SEO Misconceptions

[Babaganoosh]

I read a ton of posts on GFY from people who are trying to SEO a site. Most of these people are completely and totally clueless. I am shocked at the amount of bad info out there surrounding pagerank and links especially. Part of me wants to laugh but part of me feels bad for those of you who believe everything you read on GFY or even worse DP.

Unless you're making a decent living from SEO, chances are you're doing it wrong. Forget what you think you know and do some reading.

Oh, and please, if you're just regurgitating misinformation you gleaned from a "webmaster" forum, please don't give advice to anyone. Chances are you're completely wrong. If you're spewing misinformation intentionally then nevermind. Intentional misdirection is a great way to eliminate competition.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

I read a ton of posts on GFY from people who are trying to SEO a site. Most of these people are completely and totally clueless. I am shocked at the amount of bad info out there surrounding pagerank and links especially. Part of me wants to laugh but part of me feels bad for those of you who believe everything you read on GFY or even worse DP.

Unless you're making a decent living from SEO, chances are you're doing it wrong. Forget what you think you know and do some reading.

Oh, and please, if you're just regurgitating misinformation you gleaned from a "webmaster" forum, please don't give advice to anyone. Chances are you're completely wrong. If you're spewing misinformation intentionally then nevermind. Intentional misdirection is a great way to eliminate competition.

seo changes all the time rules change technique change you might of been good at it 2 years ago now u can be junk

everything thinks they know how to do it right simply because they lucked out a few times

[Horny Dude]

Maybe you could suggest a good book to start off with.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

seo changes all the time rules change technique change you might of been good at it 2 years ago now u can be junk

that's not true at all. not even close. that is only true for black hat type exploits.

to use someone else's analogy... "though building techniques and materials advance over time, the physics which govern how you build, remain timeless"

[Machete_]

Rule #1 Don’t educate your competition
Rule #2 If a competitor ask for advice about gaining new customers, send him in the wrong direction


TGP's, traffic, SEO, Tubes and so on. The universal truth is that everyone is a expert

[Jdoughs]

The same webmasters and practices that were building quality seo networks and focusing long term 5 years ago, are still ranking their sites, the same as they did 5 years ago.

The only thing that drastically changed was how much those ranks earned, and some of the mediums used to create and build pages/networks.

And about getting lucky, if a guy can rank different domains, for different large keyterms, I think it would be pretty logical to say they have a clue. But yes lots of guys/gals build a great site, that becomes an authority for their niche, and rank well in google, it don't make them seo's just makes them good webmasters.

A good seo will create that authority for any term, using whichever site or domain he/she choses.

[Forkbeard]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Most of these people are completely and totally clueless.

True, but what is the point of your post? If you don't have anything helpful to say, it's just empty dick-beating, right?

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

that's not true at all. not even close. that is only true for black hat type exploits.

to use someone else's analogy... "though building techniques and materials advance over time, the physics which govern how you build, remain timeless"

yup you think and I know, I have over 200 top terms in google listed in top 5 for a long fucking time and in many cases terms I like I get many different sites I run listed within top 10, some will go to pay per view sites i run like easyppv some to blogs some direct to paysites etc

I dont have time to list it all but just to shut up those who talk allot of crap here are some

spanking videos number 2
spanking movies number 4
ass licking number 3 9 and 10
ass licking movies number 2 5 and 10
ass licking videos number 4 5 7 10
anal massage number 4 5
sleeping sex number 4
femdom movies number 4

I can go on and on for each site different keywords sometimes im number 1 sometimes 3 things jump and I am about to redo many things to bring shit up to date as YES things did change

if id combine all my stuff into one site that I push id be number 1 for everything but I dont put all my eggs in one basket I learned that a long time ago

and yes shit can change today and ill loose all spots I know that too

so please people when listening to people about SEO ask them to show you what they have done, everyone knows someone who knows someone and when they show you a term they have its some shit term like "girl fuck with guy on anal" and they number 1 big fucking deal

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

True, but what is the point of your post? If you don't have anything helpful to say, it's just empty dick-beating, right?

A point? Like I need a point. You think I am here to help anyone? Honestly I am hoping to get a pissing match going between some of these people who fancy themselves SEO experts. I bet I can get someone to say more than they should. Watch.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

A point? Like I need a point. You think I am here to help anyone? Honestly I am hoping to get a pissing match going between some of these people who fancy themselves SEO experts. I bet I can get someone to say more than they should. Watch.

im in the mood of a pissing match what do I have to say lol

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

np-complete

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

I can go on and on for each site different keywords sometimes i'm number 1 sometimes 3 things jump and I am about to redo many things to bring shit up to date as YES things did change

what changes more than anything is competition for those phrases in addition to how google returns search results based on a very fluid environment. people tend to look at search results as if it should be some sort of static concept, which its not.

every link online, linking to another page has a certain value to pass to the page it links to... that value depends entirely on the value of the links pointing to that page. these are things that change by the second and ripple out to affect almost everyone who isn't fighting aggressively to put themselves in a position where they are less impacted by what others are doing. you can't say "i was number one for "hamster turd recipes" and then reason that "google must have changed something" when you slip to number 10 or 20... without taking a very hard look at the competition and what they are doing and how they beat you.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

what changes more than anything is competition for those phrases in addition to how google returns search results based on a very fluid environment. people tend to look at search results as if it should be some sort of static concept, which its not.

every link online, linking to another page has a certain value to pass to the page it links to... that value depends entirely on the value of the links pointing to that page. these are things that change by the second and ripple out to affect almost everyone who isn't fighting aggressively to put themselves in a position where they are less impacted by what others are doing. you can't say "i was number one for "hamster turd recipes" and then reason that "google must have changed something" when you slip to number 10 or 20... without taking a very hard look at the competition and what they are doing and how they beat you.

wrong 100%

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

wrong 100%

i agree with you 100%

i'm sure you'll be proven right when wikipedia drops from the SERP's for everything.

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

im in the mood of a pissing match what do I have to say lol

I'm not going to argue with you. Doing keyword research in the past I have seen your sites ranked well for phrases I was eyeballing. Feel free to say more than you should. I am listening.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i agree with you 100%

i'm sure you'll be proven right when wikipedia drops from the SERP's for everything.

comparing wiki and imdb and citysearch etc to regular stuff is being a fool

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

comparing wiki and imdb and citysearch etc to regular stuff is being a fool

same principles at work.
the exact same principles.

[WiredGuy]

I love how GFY is now full of seo experts. Same people who breathe in every word Matt Cutts has to say. Misinformation is a wonderful thing.
WG

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

same principles at work.
the exact same principles.

not at all!

[HorseShit]

One Word: DOLPHIN

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I love how GFY is now full of seo experts. Same people who breathe in every word Matt Cutts has to say. Misinformation is a wonderful thing.
WG

I concur.

[woj]

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

Rule #1 Don?t educate your competition
Rule #2 If a competitor ask for advice about gaining new customers, send him in the wrong direction

[HouseHead]

I love it.

[Forkbeard]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

A point? Like I need a point. You think I am here to help anyone?

Obviously not. Moving on...

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

I bet I can get someone to say more than they should. Watch.

Ah, it all becomes clear now, you're one of those who thinks business is a zero-sum game.

My experience of discussing SEO tips is that it's impossible to say too much, because the good info that works is exactly the sort of thing that you can tell people a hundred or a thousand times, and they won't take the advice, because it sounds too much like work.

[woj]

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

Obviously not. Moving on...
Ah, it all becomes clear now, you're one of those who thinks business is a zero-sum game.

How is seo not a zero sum game? obviously there is finite number of profitable keywords and only 10 people that can rank in the top 10... and obviously amount of traffic coming from search engines is fixed too... everyone is competing for the same fixed amount of traffic... which is by definition a zero sum game? what am I missing?

[HookUPcom]

Originally Posted by woj

How is seo not a zero sum game? obviously there is finite number of profitable keywords and only 10 people that can rank in the top 10... and obviously amount of traffic coming from search engines is fixed too... everyone is competing for the same fixed amount of traffic... which is by definition a zero sum game? what am I missing?

I think it's a pyramid where the some of the whole is bigger than the pinnacle. Long tail key phrases can be very profitable and high converting.

But I haven't hit something like... "sex" or "women"... That would certainly be a new game.

[Twig]

When I type in my domain name in Google, I'm number 1. I obviously know what I'm doing.

[Mike Semen]

Flapjacks 2.0 are the way forward.

[Forkbeard]

Originally Posted by woj

How is seo not a zero sum game?

I said "business", not SEO.

At its best (which is rarely) this forum is a place where people do business. Part of that is being moderately helpful to competitors, which, nine times out of ten, has social and business benefits that FAR outweigh the tiny competitive edge someone might be "giving away".

Original poster has declared himself to be someone who does not understand this.

Anybody who publicly worries about "giving away" too much information about SEO has revealed himself to be an idiot. It's like worrying about giving away the secret to being a good writer, or a good musician. The techniques are useless except when married with enormous effort, practice, and craftsmanship.

[frankie_gunn]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Intentional misdirection is a great way to eliminate competition.

...how come you thought about this, in the first place?...

[Iron Fist]

SEO is hit and miss and trial and error... that is the name of the game, and when you do find something that works, you keep your mouth shut and duplicate the fuck out of it and monetize it before the next Google Dance.

[haig]

unless you work in googie there is no rule just trial and error.

[whatif_3]

one rule thats hard to dispute is that the one thing thats very valuable to work on thats difficult for google to penalize against is building backlinks

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I love how GFY is now full of seo experts. Same people who breathe in every word Matt Cutts has to say. Misinformation is a wonderful thing.
WG

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I love how GFY is now full of seo experts. Same people who breathe in every word Matt Cutts has to say. Misinformation is a wonderful thing.
WG

plain and simple if someone can show you quality listings they obviously know whats up or are working with someone that does

[Nicky]

Priority ID's for everyone.

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

I said "business", not SEO.

At its best (which is rarely) this forum is a place where people do business. Part of that is being moderately helpful to competitors, which, nine times out of ten, has social and business benefits that FAR outweigh the tiny competitive edge someone might be "giving away".

Original poster has declared himself to be someone who does not understand this.

Anybody who publicly worries about "giving away" too much information about SEO has revealed himself to be an idiot. It's like worrying about giving away the secret to being a good writer, or a good musician. The techniques are useless except when married with enormous effort, practice, and craftsmanship.

Ignorant boob. I think you post a lot without thinking about what you're saying. Read your posts and think about what you wrote BEFORE you press submit. It'll save you a lot of future embarrassment. That's a free tip from me to you. You'd be a fool to ignore advice from your superiors.

[Penrod]

Keep it coming.

[Forkbeard]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Ignorant boob. I think you post a lot without thinking about what you're saying. Read your posts and think about what you wrote BEFORE you press submit. It'll save you a lot of future embarrassment. That's a free tip from me to you. You'd be a fool to ignore advice from your superiors.

You ought to get a doctor to help you with that diarrhea of the mouth problem.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Part of me wants to laugh but part of me feels bad for those of you who believe everything you read on GFY or even worse DP.

Unless you're making a decent living from SEO, chances are you're doing it wrong. Forget what you think you know and do some reading.

I have highlighted the problem with this post.

If this post was made to try and rub people's noses in how good you think you are, then that's one thing.
If this post was meant to be informative or helpful, then you failed miserably.

You feel bad for people who believe what they read, and your solution is for them to read more?

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I have highlighted the problem with this post.

If this post was made to try and rub people's noses in how good you think you are, then that's one thing.
If this post was meant to be informative or helpful, then you failed miserably.

You feel bad for people who believe what they read, and your solution is for them to read more?

In turn, I have highlighted the problem with your post.

What in the world makes you think that my intention was to help anyone? Why would I do that?

[San]

what is "SEO"?

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by San

what is "SEO"?

Something Extremely Overrated

[fusionx]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Priority ID's for everyone.

I failed to properly close a google priorityID tag once.. googlebot saw it, and that domain was dropped immediately..

it's bad to disclose your priority id..

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by fusionx

I failed to properly close a google priorityID tag once.. googlebot saw it, and that domain was dropped immediately..

it's bad to disclose your priority id..

At least you didn't forget to close the google pray tag. You'd have gotten all of your domains deindexed.

[fusionx]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

At least you didn't forget to close the google pray tag. You'd have gotten all of your domains deindexed.

I quit using that. I changed - I'm now search engine agnostic

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I love how GFY is now full of seo experts. Same people who breathe in every word Matt Cutts has to say. Misinformation is a wonderful thing.
WG

I hear Matt Cutts is taking over as Alaska's Governor.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

In turn, I have highlighted the problem with your post.

What in the world makes you think that my intention was to help anyone? Why would I do that?

So then you just started this thread because you're an attention whore?

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

So then you just started this thread because you're an attention whore?

Funny to see you calling anyone an attention whore. Pot, meet kettle.

[niche25]

SEO is how I make a living and it's a good living at that. Matt Cutts wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for us.