Any anti-vaccination nutters on this board?

[Libertine]

Just curious to see how far the idiocy has spread

[RadicalSights]

nope.....

[Scott McD]

There's bound to be more than a few...

[Si]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

There's bound to be more than a few...

[2012]

count me in

[2012]

[Shoplifter]

I had my doubts about getting live Polio and other vaccines done for my kid while living in Asia.

Are you talking specifically about Autism?

[Martin]

Yep right here.

[Fletch XXX]

yes, people have already said they will shoot anyone who tries lol

[Jarmusch]

You mean the vaccine that implants a chip in your arm that allows TPTB to track you 24/7 by GPS and kill you with the press of a button?

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

yes, people have already said they will shoot anyone who tries lol

Forced vaccines sound like a great idea. So if you don't mind someone being able to forcibly stick something into your body well.. flip over and wait and Ill send Bubba over to give you a forced injection. lol

So you pro vaccine guys actually trust the gov to be sure of what they inject you with? lol Vaccines are shown to take 5 years off dogs lives. My dog had the bare minimum hasn't been sick since she was a pup and is 13 and still acts like a puppy. Most vaccines are unnecessary and we don't know the long term affects of some of the newer vaccines. Ill pass.

[TheDoc]

You would be pretty stupid to not question a vaccination. The word sheep would never ring more true.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

So you pro vaccine guys

Not everything is black and white. me laughing at people like you claiming you gonna shoot cops is funny.

Im not "pro vaccine" you are funny. If the choice between my wife, and child dying and a vaccine, the answer is simple. The tough guy image only carries your nonsense so far before reality kicks in. You arent going to shoot anyone... and that's what makes me laugh at you.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Not everything is black and white. me laughing at people like you claiming you gonna shoot cops is funny.

Im not "pro vaccine" you are funny. If the choice between my wife, and child dying and a vaccine, the answer is simple. The tough guy image only carries your nonsense so far before reality kicks in. You arent going to shoot anyone... and that's what makes me laugh at you.

Let me know when they promote you to running the bread lines comrade.... So when they come in the riot suits to your home with needles and hold you and your family down and inject who knows what into you and your families bodies... you make sure to smile and give them a "thank you sir may I have another?" sheesh. BAH!!!

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Not everything is black and white. me laughing at people like you claiming you gonna shoot cops is funny.

Im not "pro vaccine" you are funny. If the choice between my wife, and child dying and a vaccine, the answer is simple. The tough guy image only carries your nonsense so far before reality kicks in. You arent going to shoot anyone... and that's what makes me laugh at you.

How wrong you are, but that's because you simply don't know. I have more than enough times, seen the entire family die for the cause they believe in, for far far far stupider reasons than vaccinations.

If people are dieing, really dieing.. they won't have to force people to get it, that's the thing.

But if something say like the last round of flue happens and they try to force people, you best be ready for a blood bath.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Let me know when they promote you to running the bread lines comrade.... So when they come in the riot suits to your home with needles and hold you and your family down and inject who knows what into you and your families bodies... you make sure to smile and give them a "thank you sir may I have another?" sheesh. BAH!!!

LOL Avoid what I said.

Fact is, you are not going to shoot a cop, and if you did, you'd be killed. Fact. And you wanting to look tough won't change that.

So, you can say what you want, but if it comes down to mandatory vaccines (which I doubt) you will take it and like it. I approach the subject rationally, you approach it, with the attitude you are going to shoot a cop. I'm not worried about vaccines because I don't think it will come to that, you have already bit into the propaganda pie, and don't know it. Put n your tinfoil hat.

You can act tough all you want on the internets, but in reality, you are in no different position than any other citizen who would endure the vaccine.

[GetSCORECash]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

So you pro vaccine guys actually trust the gov to be sure of what they inject you with? lol Vaccines are shown to take 5 years off dogs lives. My dog had the bare minimum hasn't been sick since she was a pup and is 13 and still acts like a puppy. Most vaccines are unnecessary and we don't know the long term affects of some of the newer vaccines. Ill pass.

Do you have him registered? Or do you simply have him without a dog tag?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

, you best be ready for a blood bath.

Cool, hopefully when its all over, I can by the DVD! You people want to argue too much, nowhere have I said I didnt question a vaccine or even support them! But oh noes, call out some internet tough guy saying he gonna shoot cops and Im the one who is wrong? LOL

Nowhere did I say or lead to believe some idiots wont get shot resisting, however, that doesnt mean I am not aware that some will. The thread isnt about me, its about "im gonna shoot a cop" crowd who wants to look tough on the internet bragging about how they will kill people instead of accepting vaccine.

I can laugh at them and still consider my options regarding accepting a vaccine or not. As I said, not everything is so black and white. calling out tough guys is fun, dont make it such a debate

[BFT3K]

I ran a poll regarding vaccines a few weeks ago...

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/917346-submit-mandatory-vaccine.html

[Fletch XXX]

And don't think I am not concerned. My wife is pregnant and more and more pregnant women are not only dying, but getting sick at higher rates than most! I am very concerned about this, however, I can still laugh at the militant mindedfolk who instead of addressing the topic of vaccines with reason, reach straight for "Ill kill anyone who tries!" which is funny to me.

Considering news is saying pregnant women are first in line to be vaccinated, these thoughts have come into my mind the past week. Nowhere did I state I would not try and resist, nor did I say I was "pro vaccine" but laugh at a gun crazed tough guy and suddenly now I am a communist?

Ive been following the vaccine headlines every morning, thinking about my pregnant wife and what I would do. And it would most certainly not be to raise a gun to a cop and have myself killed, leaving my wife and child alone in this world, especially if it comes down to some Superflu epidemic!

We must approach this topic with concern and of course question the vaccine, but people in my shoes think with our brains and not a gun. Perhaps the "anti vaccine" people dont have a wife (his personal drama was aired on GFY) so I dont know, but in my position, I have to wonder what Id do, and it certainly would not be get myself killed trying to shoot a cop. get real

k, i gotta run, cya guys...

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Cool, hopefully when its all over, I can by the DVD! You people want to argue too much, nowhere have I said I didnt question a vaccine or even support them! But oh noes, call out some internet tough guy saying he gonna shoot cops and Im the one who is wrong? LOL

Nowhere did I say or lead to believe some idiots wont get shot resisting, however, that doesnt mean I am not aware that some will. The thread isnt about me, its about "im gonna shoot a cop" crowd who wants to look tough on the internet bragging about how they will kill people instead of accepting vaccine.

I can laugh at them and still consider my options regarding accepting a vaccine or not. As I said, not everything is so black and white. calling out tough guys is fun, dont make it such a debate

I didn't say you did or didn't agree with a vaccine.


But, I kind of a clue on this. I wasn't always in porn. People dieing for what they believe in, even when it's the Police or anyone, coming in. Do you watch the news?

Cops have broken down doors of many homes, full gun fight, people died... wrong house.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

Do you have him registered? Or do you simply have him without a dog tag?

She had her rabies shots thats it. And whatever shots she got when I got her from the pound 13 years ago at 6 weeks or so of age. She had an ID tag for her collar. Do some reading up on how yearly vaccines for dogs take years and years off their lives. Most dogs should be able to live into their 20's. Vaccines reduce that by 5 years.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

I ran a poll regarding vaccines a few weeks ago...

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/917346-submit-mandatory-vaccine.html

Holy shit. That's fucking disturbing.

A quick question to the anti-vaccine nuts:

Do you guys realize that there is ZERO evidence for the popular scary tales about vaccines?

Do you guys realize that your sheer stupidity endangers the lives of not only your own children, but the lives of lots of other people as well?

Yeah, that's right - idiots refusing to take vaccines facilitate the spread of contagious diseases, thereby creating grave risks for people with compromised immune systems. The guy undergoing chemo, the girl with AIDS, the kid with SCID, or the kid with XLA - your stupidity might just kill them.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Holy shit. That's fucking disturbing.

A quick question to the anti-vaccine nuts:

Do you guys realize that there is ZERO evidence for the popular scary tales about vaccines?

Do you guys realize that your sheer stupidity endangers the lives of not only your own children, but the lives of lots of other people as well?

Yeah, that's right - idiots refusing to take vaccines facilitate the spread of contagious diseases, thereby creating grave risks for people with compromised immune systems. The guy undergoing chemo, the girl with AIDS, the kid with SCID, or the kid with XLA - your stupidity might just kill them.

What tales? That my son reacts to them and people do die from them? That some people have extreme reactions to them, very very bad?

Like I had the one for TB and it made my arm the size of a football, I puked blood for 4 months, and I had extreme ringing in my ears? Cause I'm pretty damn sure everyone was on the same page on what caused it.


And it "might" not kill them and the vaccine could kill the person, 5 years, 10, or 50 years later, maybe reduce the life of the person that took the vaccine by 20 years. So who should die? We are talking about "mights" and "ifs" correct?

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

What tales? That my son reacts to them and people do die from them? That some people have extreme reactions to them, very very bad?

Like I had the one for TB and it made my arm the size of a football, I puked blood for 4 months, and I had extreme ringing in my ears? Cause I'm pretty damn sure everyone was on the same page on what caused it.


And it "might" not kill them and the vaccine could kill the person, 5 years, 10, or 50 years later, maybe reduce the life of the person that took the vaccine by 20 years. So who should die? We are talking about "mights" and "ifs" correct?

Hush now. We should all risk taking the vaccines so those that are weak will be ok, thereby lowering our natural immune systems resistance to fend off illness on its own and making us all weaker and making everyone more of the same.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Hush now. We should all risk taking the vaccines so those that are weak will be ok, thereby lowering our natural immune systems resistance to fend off illness on its own and making us all weaker and making everyone more of the same.

I couldn't agree more...

Don't get me wrong though, some are needed.


But what's funny about the must take vaccine people is. Plenty of Americans home school kids and opted out of giving the kids many vaccines that the schools force. Some parents even opt out of the birth vaccines.

And the kids are perfectly healthy. They get sick just like any kid and get better. We aren't living in our own filth today and many of our meds, actually work and aren't chanting voodoo.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

What tales? That my son reacts to them and people do die from them? That some people have extreme reactions to them, very very bad?

Like I had the one for TB and it made my arm the size of a football, I puked blood for 4 months, and I had extreme ringing in my ears? Cause I'm pretty damn sure everyone was on the same page on what caused it.

And it "might" not kill them and the vaccine could kill the person, 5 years, 10, or 50 years later, maybe reduce the life of the person that took the vaccine by 20 years. So who should die? We are talking about "mights" and "ifs" correct?

We aren't talking about "mights" and "ifs". We are talking about hard evidence.

Some vaccinations have (extremely uncommon) adverse side effects, and the reason they're still being used is that for any random individual, the risk removed by vaccination is far greater than the risk introduced by vaccination.

Vaccinations and antibiotics are the two main reasons life expectancy in the western world has risen dramatically over the past 100 years.

Know what killed more people than Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined in the 20th century? Smallpox. Several hundreds of millions of deaths in the 20th century alone. Know what eradicated it? That's right - vaccination.

Not taking vaccinations is like smoking to avoid the risks of obesity. A decidedly daft health strategy.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Libertine

We aren't talking about "mights" and "ifs". We are talking about hard evidence.

Some vaccinations have (extremely uncommon) adverse side effects, and the reason they're still being used is that for any random individual, the risk removed by vaccination is far greater than the risk introduced by vaccination.

Vaccinations and antibiotics are the two main reasons life expectancy in the western world has risen dramatically over the past 100 years.

Know what killed more people than Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined in the 20th century? Smallpox. Several hundreds of millions of deaths in the 20th century alone. Know what eradicated it? That's right - vaccination.

Not taking vaccinations is like smoking to avoid the risks of obesity. A decidedly daft health strategy.

Vaccines and antibiotics. BOTH lower your own immune systems. I laugh at people that run to the doctor everytime they have a sniffle to get antibiotics. Ridiculous.

Reason our life spans are increasing is quality of life. As mentioned we don't roll around in our own shit anymore (except ThatGuyInTheCorner lol). Our water is purified before it comes to us. Etc etc.

The nutty ones are the ones ready to bend over and let them inject unknown chemicals into your veins and take it with a smile.

My youngest daughter got all her required shots. We were down to the last 4 shots. I go in to get those last 4 shots and find out that the area the vaccines were kept was found to have a faulty thermometer and was not kept at the right tempeture and we had to get 8 shots redone. REAL fun with a 3 year old girl. And so now she has double doses of those vaccines. Ya I realllllly trust the gov to run vaccine programs..

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Libertine

We aren't talking about "mights" and "ifs". We are talking about hard evidence.

Some vaccinations have (extremely uncommon) adverse side effects, and the reason they're still being used is that for any random individual, the risk removed by vaccination is far greater than the risk introduced by vaccination.

Vaccinations and antibiotics are the two main reasons life expectancy in the western world has risen dramatically over the past 100 years.

Know what killed more people than Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined in the 20th century? Smallpox. Several hundreds of millions of deaths in the 20th century alone. Know what eradicated it? That's right - vaccination.

Not taking vaccinations is like smoking to avoid the risks of obesity. A decidedly daft health strategy.

It's not uncommon. When your kids have them, the Doctors going to tell you to keep an eye on them. They may react, and give you a list of shit to watch out for.

It's that common...



The problem is... More than plenty of Americans have never taken them, and they don't have small pox or any other problems. And plenty of illegal immigrants, prob all what, 40-50 million of them, that could bring all types of problems here, mix them with each other and other non vaccinated people... but oddly enough, it doesn't happen.

Everyone knows we need some vaccines.. that isn't the argument. I still say it's a persons choice over force though, which it is currently in our Country.

And antibiotics, for to long were given out like candy pills.. it has gotten much better. Really no argument about that. To many antibiotics and your screwing yourself. Oh yeah, and antibacterial soap is washing germs off, not an actual antibiotic. Best antibody you can have is your own germs.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Hush now. We should all risk taking the vaccines so those that are weak will be ok, thereby lowering our natural immune systems resistance to fend off illness on its own and making us all weaker and making everyone more of the same.

Fuck, you're stupid.

Here's what our natural immune systems accomplished before vaccination and antibiotics:



The fun bit about many contagious diseases is that they are quite good at tearing down healthy immune systems. Just look at the Spanish Flu - which was rather good at killing young, healthy people.

[MisterSark]

I'm not gonna take a vaccin for it, but I did bought shares of the vaccin companies.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Fuck, you're stupid.

Here's what our natural immune systems accomplished before vaccination and antibiotics:



The fun bit about many contagious diseases is that they are quite good at tearing down healthy immune systems. Just look at the Spanish Flu - which was rather good at killing young, healthy people.

ya that has nothing to do with clean water, sewage systems, quality control of the products we ingest, medical practices that involve checkups and being able to see inside the human body and determine what is wrong, running water to wash with.. Nah its all the vaccines that helped increase life span.

I mean look at that chart. Obviously they started vaccines hot and heavy in the 1800's right? Did they start forced vaccine injections in the early 1800's just a few years after the first vaccine was invented? OR maybe.. just maybe the correlation is maybe due more to the fact that running water, and other public services were starting to be provided?

Had nothing to do with the industrial revolution either.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Fuck, you're stupid.

Here's what our natural immune systems accomplished before vaccination and antibiotics:



The fun bit about many contagious diseases is that they are quite good at tearing down healthy immune systems. Just look at the Spanish Flu - which was rather good at killing young, healthy people.

I think your chart fails... how long have we had vaccines for? Discovered before the 1800's first testing really done about 1800s

When did we first mass vaccinate? 1950's <--- Wow!

Wasn't in after the 1700's and beyond that clean water, cities started to deal with waste, trash wasn't tossed in the streets, shit/piss didn't just run out every place, mass services, and as we move into the 1900's we start cleaning our foods, making regs for health stuff all over the place...

That's prob why your chart grows.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's not uncommon. When your kids have them, the Doctors going to tell you to keep an eye on them. They may react, and give you a list of shit to watch out for.

It's that common...

Serious (ie life-threatening) adverse side effects actually are that uncommon. That doesn't mean you shouldn't watch out for them, though. It's like the documents they give you with medication. Those often also reference side effects that only have a 1:100000 chance of occurring.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

The problem is... More than plenty of Americans have never taken them, and they don't have small pox or any other problems. And plenty of illegal immigrants, prob all what, 40-50 million of them, that could bring all types of problems here, mix them with each other and other non vaccinated people... but oddly enough, it doesn't happen.

Everyone knows we need some vaccines.. that isn't the argument. I still say it's a persons choice of force though, which it is currently in our Country.

Of course they don't have smallpox. It's been eradicated. Through vaccination.

As for many of the other diseases, the reason you don't see huge epidemics of those right now is that most people do get vaccinated. That brings the mathematics of epidemics into play: herd immunity doesn't require everyone to be immune, just a certain % of the population. If you reach that %, it becomes impossible for those diseases to spread.

Right now, for many of the diseases that get vaccinated against, there's still effective herd immunity in most western countries. With every person who refuses to vaccinate their children, though, the immunization threshold comes closer. And even if there's effective herd immunity, there can still be localized outbreaks among groups of people who don't have vaccinations. Which is why, for example, occurrence of paralysis due to polio is far higher among certain religious groups than it is among the general population.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Let me know when they promote you to running the bread lines comrade.... So when they come in the riot suits to your home with needles and hold you and your family down and inject who knows what into you and your families bodies... you make sure to smile and give them a "thank you sir may I have another?" sheesh. BAH!!!

Give me a break. You watch too many movies.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

ya that has nothing to do with clean water, sewage systems, quality control of the products we ingest, medical practices that involve checkups and being able to see inside the human body and determine what is wrong, running water to wash with.. Nah its all the vaccines that helped increase life span.

I mean look at that chart. Obviously they started vaccines hot and heavy in the 1800's right? Did they start forced vaccine injections in the early 1800's just a few years after the first vaccine was invented? OR maybe.. just maybe the correlation is maybe due more to the fact that running water, and other public services were starting to be provided?

Had nothing to do with the industrial revolution either.

While better hygiene certainly helped, vaccines most certainly made a huge difference.

Let's look at smallpox again, since it's a rather good example. It used to account for over 10% of all deaths, some estimates going up as high as 20%. Yes, you read that right. Vaccination for it became common in the 1900's.

Now, even with your pea-sized brain, you should be able to comprehend that something that is responsible for 10% (or more) of all premature deaths being eradicated has a HUGE beneficial effect on life expectancy.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Serious (ie life-threatening) adverse side effects actually are that uncommon. That doesn't mean you shouldn't watch out for them, though. It's like the documents they give you with medication. Those often also reference side effects that only have a 1:100000 chance of occurring.



Of course they don't have smallpox. It's been eradicated. Through vaccination.

As for many of the other diseases, the reason you don't see huge epidemics of those right now is that most people do get vaccinated. That brings the mathematics of epidemics into play: herd immunity doesn't require everyone to be immune, just a certain % of the population. If you reach that %, it becomes impossible for those diseases to spread.

Right now, for many of the diseases that get vaccinated against, there's still effective herd immunity in most western countries. With every person who refuses to vaccinate their children, though, the immunization threshold comes closer. And even if there's effective herd immunity, there can still be localized outbreaks among groups of people who don't have vaccinations. Which is why, for example, occurrence of paralysis due to polio is far higher among certain religious groups than it is among the general population.

Almost not worth talking to over this... I have already said several times some vaccines are needed. People know that in modern times that vaccines have helped us.

But that doesn't relate to anything about forcing us to take a vaccine. If you really believe the herd theory, then nobody would need to be forced.

That was the entire point, forced vaccines... not if some work or some don't work.


The vaccine in question, this flue one. Kills less people than the Cold and they are talking about forcing it. They don't have to kick your doors down to force you.

That's what makes it bullshit and your entire argument is crap. Because as you said, the entire herd doesn't need it.

And sorry to burst your bubble, billions of people have no vaccines in them at all.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Almost not worth talking to over this... I have already said several times some vaccines are needed. People know that in modern times that vaccines have helped us.

But that doesn't relate to anything about forcing us to take a vaccine. If you really believe the herd theory, then nobody would need to be forced.

That was the entire point, forced vaccines... not if some work or some don't work.


The vaccine in question, this flue one. Kills less people than the Cold and they are talking about forcing it. They don't have to kick your doors down to force you.

That's what makes it bullshit and your entire argument is crap. Because as you said, the entire herd doesn't need it.

And sorry to burst your bubble, billions of people have no vaccines in them at all.

The "herd theory"? The concept of herd immunity is a simple epidemiological fact. And I can assure you: it doesn't imply in any way, shape or form imply that people not taking vaccinations isn't harmful. I did mention local outbreaks above, didn't I? And I did mention the fact that it creates the danger of dipping below the immunization threshold, right?

As for my "bubble": many millions of the people without those vaccines in them die exactly because of that. Why the hell do you think immunization programs in third world countries are so important?

[IllTestYourGirls]

If you are vaccinated why do you care if another is not? What do you have to worry about?

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

If you are vaccinated why do you care if another is not? What do you have to worry about?

Those who aren't create severe risks for people with compromised immune systems. Like I already said above, their stupidity can end up killing people undergoing chemo, people with AIDS, people with SCID, people with XLA, etc.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Those who aren't create severe risks for people with compromised immune systems. Like I already said above, their stupidity can end up killing people undergoing chemo, people with AIDS, people with SCID, people with XLA, etc.

There is no "severe risk". The person who gets infected has to come across someone who has aids, under going chemo ect before there is even the slightest risk.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

There is no "severe risk". The person who gets infected has to come across someone who has aids, under going chemo ect before there is even the slightest risk.

And that's a severe risk. Even walking past them on the street and coughing can kill them.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Those who aren't create severe risks for people with compromised immune systems. Like I already said above, their stupidity can end up killing people undergoing chemo, people with AIDS, people with SCID, people with XLA, etc.

Ahh so Im supposed to risk my life and possibly have problems in my later years to help those that are weak. Gotcha. Aye aye comrade I will dis time give up my rights to help da rest.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Ahh so Im supposed to risk my life and possibly have problems in my later years to help those that are weak. Gotcha. Aye aye comrade I will dis time give up my rights to help da rest.

Actually, by taking vaccinations, you also reduce risks for yourself, as well as for the population as a whole.

So your stupidity helps absolutely nobody.

[BFT3K]

Hey Libertine,

Where do you stand on genetically modified food?

Lots of links to some scary stuff here...

http://badnews.thumblogger.com

Seems like more of a health risk than the flu!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Libertine

We aren't talking about "mights" and "ifs". We are talking about hard evidence.

I love how every statement of yours is backed by hard evidence but if someone provides contrary evidence it has no credibility.

As I have told you before, you can prove whatever you want with stats. Doesn't make it true.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Libertine

And that's a severe risk. Even walking past them on the street and coughing can kill them.

You are talking about a very small part of the population coming in contact by an even smaller part of the population, having that person spit or cough in their face.

I think your odds of that happening are smaller than the vaccine itself killing or harming someone who was of good health.

I would hope the person with aids, getting chemo ect would take personal responsibility and take all precautions when there is an outbreak.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by baddog

I love how every statement of yours is backed by hard evidence but if someone provides contrary evidence it has no credibility.

As I have told you before, you can prove whatever you want with stats. Doesn't make it true.

You've made me see the light, dude.

I'll go tell my professors in med school that they should stop relying on actual scientific studies, and should listen to the almighty baddog instead, who proclaims that studies and statistics are irrelevant and that anecdotal evidence is what truly matters.

Great idea. Let's go back to the dark ages, when everything was just so much better.

[DWB]

Some vaccinations are bad. Some are not tested enough. Some are good.

It depends on what the vaccination is for.

[DAMNMAN]

Some vaccines have done wonderful things.
Small pox for one (And it was manditory for all to get), Polio also is high on the list of miracle cures. (Still some people died when they got the shots!!!)
The vaccines they are comming out with today have to be tested and they test them on us, so they know the next time what they have to fix.
The new Swine Flu vaccine isn't proven safe, it is unknown whether it causes organ damage etc... at this time. Yet people are rushing to get it and it may save their lives (or not).

Life is a gamble any way it goes.

My 8 year old boy has all of the vaccines he's supposed to get for his age. (Required by GOV / I didn't want to shoot anybody)
But we did not give him the combined MMR. We searched high and low to get him each shot separately and at differnt times because we have seen the evidence that says that shot causes autism and there's a preponderance of evidence that it does/did. (They have changed the formula and it doesn't contain thimerosal anymore, but by law they didn't have to throw out the old bad batches. They were allowed to use them up and give them to kids.

The real problem with vaccinations is that if there is a pandemic there will not be enough of the vaccine in the US. It seems that the US only manufactures 20% if it's vaccines.