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Old 08-04-2009, 07:31 AM   #51
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So you are old. Does someone that just got a computer and just got an Internet connection have a massive porn collection? Think about it. They do not!

When you buy a computer and sign up for a Internet connection you don't automatically get a huge free porn collection.

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Old 08-04-2009, 07:31 AM   #52
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Whenever I wonder what I can do to increase sales, I pay more attention to my own porn surfing habits. I figure, I'm a regular guy, and I probably have the same surfing habits as other regular guys, right?

But I don't surf tube sites, and I've never been burned by shady billing practices.

But there is something now that I've never been able to do before: I CAN SURF MY OWN COLLECTION.

Over the years, I've collected hundreds of gigs of porn from paysites, freesites, newsgroups, and trading with friends. And get this: it is ALL stuff I like. I don't have to SEARCH, I don't have to worry about viruses or spyware, and I don't have to pay anything to view it. And it is all VERY personalized!

I just bought a 1.5 TERABYTE external harddrive for $179. I can put 10 years of collected, personalized content all in ONE PLACE. And I can spend WEEKS surfing it all, find mostly content I've completely forgotten about, and never see the same thing twice!

When money is tight, I'm not going to bother with ANYTHING online. I have the ultimate collection already instantly available to me. But massive storage didn't exist 10 years ago, and I think that's why we all made more money THEN.

I believe MASSIVE PERSONAL STORAGE SPACE has hurt our business more than tubes and shady billing practices combined.

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considering that i have always said that torrents can be legally used as an infinite sized hard drive of all the stuff you have bought in the past. A multi redundant backup of all your old stuff, this is the exact problem you have to deal with.

you have to change the behavior of your surfers, without them know that is what you are doing.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:40 AM   #53
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Sounds more like you need to open some windows in your office and spay some air freshener around.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:57 AM   #54
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:57 AM   #55
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Man although I agree, i've got terabytes of content from sites from years of collecting.... and I'm always looking for more...

Thing is Steve... 90% of the net is filler content... it's that magic 10% where the girl, scene, props, clothes, picture, lighting, attitude and everything is just right...

You know.. the one picture where I can stare at it for like 15 minutes and get a boner in 2 seconds.

Porn videos where the girl actually looks like she ISN'T do it for money.

Girls in the pictures who look at me instead of at the camera...

Not a lot of content out there like it. The ones who "get it", well they know who they are.. which is why I still go online and check my favorite haunts to see if it's out there...
It is the best when you know the girl is looking at you. I love it when, during a BJ POV, the girl is looking up at the guys trying to please him. Makes me feel like she is trying to please me. in the last 15 t to 16 years I have only collected a few small clips that I go back to and I am always looking for that new 18 year old fresh face.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:59 AM   #56
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NOW YOU DO!
Buy computer! Day 1 go to PORNHUB or 5 other tube sites, have Big ass porn collection, rinse and repeat!
Download speeds are fast, storage is big, site ripping is easy
There are commercial programs/scripts which automatically rip videos from major tube sites.Easy way to get tons of videos instantly.
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:16 AM   #57
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there's certainly something to be said for this, but many "collectors" don't collect for perusal, as the collecting is the hobby, not the fapping, so they're constantly downloading. In regards to this, they also don't collect by paying, they collect through IRC and Usenet, private torrent sites and secret forums.

On the opposite end is the generic porn surfer, who has a life, a girlfriend, and a PC that can be accessed by her or his peers. This person doesn't want a collection at all, he just wants to jerk off. This person doesn't bother with IRC or torrents, he just gets the urge, goes to red tube, does the deed and goes back to his business.

So who's the buyer???
I just don't fucking know. Fanboys who are ignorant of the tubes? Guys who want cam shows?
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Old 08-04-2009, 10:03 AM   #58
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I was at a friends 50th bday party this weekend and decided to ask all the men and sons of the people there, when they surf porn where do they go. ALL said tube sites as it is free and they have all the variety they can think of.

I agree massive storage is something that changed the industry but it is the tubes with full lenght clips that is hurting it as anyone can do searches on tubes and find exactly what pleases them without the assle of storing on a hard drive.
I so agree with this. Tube sites are basically free paysite members areas, so why pay? This is a bigger problem than people who like "worn porn."
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thats why we created dvd burning software for our members so they could free up their hard drive if you want to promote it hit me up
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Old 08-04-2009, 10:18 AM   #60
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I could show you 10 pics of "18-20" year olds, and I'd bet $500 that you couldn't tell me 8 correct that are "new or old".
New is subjective to the buyer/surfer/freeloader. As in, he has not seen or watched it before.

I also agree with d-null. I have a ton of good stuff from 10 years of saving content on countless back ups, disks, drives, etc.. However, I am always on the search for new.
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Old 08-04-2009, 10:24 AM   #61
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Why do men turn their heads when a hot chick walks down the street? She surely isn't anything we haven't seen before right? WRONG! I believe men are always looking for that next big thing. It's the same reason big sporting events are so popular. It's important for men to be part of the big moments. Based on that I believe for most men it's important to continue building that collection rather than be satisfied with the existing collection.

I believe large storage devices play a role in the revenue we will bring in. I think it would have an effect on retention and force sites to continually be improving what they offer.
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Old 08-04-2009, 11:33 AM   #62
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Same thing EscortBiz was saying like a year ago, simple but very true.

Apart from free streaming movies everywhere it's also easier than ever to create and keep a very own massive collection of downloaded porn.

Add the increasing overall p2p / torrent literacy and it's so much porn out there that the explotable traffic pool must be shrinking over the course of time.

The only thing to depend on is the very much impulse nature of buying porn and that there will still remain enough legit places to advertise the "paid" porn.

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I'd say if you don't surf tubes, then you don't have the same surfing habits as most other guys.
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Old 08-04-2009, 02:41 PM   #64
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Good point, Steve.

What I lose hair about is that someday the downloaders will get so worried about copyright infringement court cases signaling an end to free stuff from the illegal tubes, or that new technology will soon spoil their piracy downloading, that they will "store-up" as much free porn as they can on their computers, blank DVDs, etc to form their own personal "Library" to sustain themselves for many years.

Surfer mindsets seem to be that porn is free, so they will steal it by the TBs and have whacking materials to last them a lifetime. Then, some might pass copies to others, further hindering our Industry's timely "recovery" by any future closure of illegal tube sites.

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I'd say if you don't surf tubes, then you don't have the same surfing habits as most other guys.
i concur and admit that i use tubes on the regular
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Old 08-04-2009, 02:44 PM   #66
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Old 08-04-2009, 02:48 PM   #67
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Steve's on to something here. Look at any RS/MU link forum and you'd see surfers there with TBs of porn collections. Some even post whole video libraries upon request.
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i don't think so, Tim

no one i know who's collecting porn is satisfied with what he has - no matter if 200 mb or 10 tb. they are always looking for more
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Good point, Steve.

What I lose hair about is that someday the downloaders will get so worried about copyright infringement court cases signaling an end to free stuff from the illegal tubes, or that new technology will soon spoil their piracy downloading, that they will "store-up" as much free porn as they can on their computers, blank DVDs, etc to form their own personal "Library" to sustain themselves for many years.

Surfer mindsets seem to be that porn is free, so they will steal it by the TBs and have whacking materials to last them a lifetime. Then, some might pass copies to others, further hindering our Industry's timely "recovery" by any future closure of illegal tube sites.
This is why I've been working on, with the help of MI6, self destructing porn. After 30 days it explodes.
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Old 08-04-2009, 02:53 PM   #70
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Increasing download speeds are not helping the cause either. What used to take days to download 10 years ago only takes minutes now. Why would anyone stay a member of a site for 30+ days when they just downloaded every scene in 20 minutes? I think the typical paying member these days is the collector who only joins their favorite site(s) every 6-12 months to download the updates. That is, if they can't find a password on Google.
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I disagree tubes are teaching the next gen that paying for porn is dumb. In 5 yrs we are going to have a really big problem.
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...but then it leads back to..Why buy storage when you can just surf over a tube, spend a few minutes finding something you like, spew some baby batter and go on with your day.
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Old 08-04-2009, 06:13 PM   #74
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i was expecting you to say 'review sites' :p
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I have a great collection also, with all the clips with all the types of girls I like, that do all the stuff I like, with the perfect angles that I like.

But I'm always on the lookout for something to add.
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Old 08-04-2009, 06:55 PM   #76
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I don't think it much a threat. Even if your assumption is true, the cycle of buying porn won't die because there is always a new generation of "porner". People die every seconds and a baby is born every seconds. So although the old generation may have collected all the porn they ever need, the newer generation have just started and it will takes years before they have their own collection. The cycle of buying porn will continue.
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True cheap storage and bandwidth are driving many of these things.

BTW you paid to much a 1.5 TB drive is < 100.00 bucks tops.
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Nope......Collectors need to ADD to their collection....You don't see Art collectors going in their basements to view their art when they think they can't afford to buy more.
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I don't think it much a threat. Even if your assumption is true, the cycle of buying porn won't die because there is always a new generation of "porner". People die every seconds and a baby is born every seconds. So although the old generation may have collected all the porn they ever need, the newer generation have just started and it will takes years before they have their own collection. The cycle of buying porn will continue.
this is how it used to be

this is how it could have always been

but with unlimited sources of free porn we fucked up the cycle - what you said, now only applies to the new connoisseur and new OCD collector (i belong to the latter). The majority of the huge waves of 'new' clients no longer need to buy.

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1.) Surfers will always want fresh new content

2.) Most surfers don't even want evidence on their computers that they've been looking at porn, let alone actually storing porn on their drives.

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Having a large personal collection may make someone less willing to buy when money is tight....BUT people become desensitized to porn for the most part and need newer or more extreme things to do the trick for them.....so the fact that someone has a large collection probably implies the opposite of what you're assuming.
That's probably the person that's MOST likely to buy when they see a new appealing niche or a new girl in her first shoot.

New girls, fresh faces, it's what drives our industry. Always has and always will.
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i am sick of looking at the same videos on all the tube sites. those vids got old quick.
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Having a large personal collection may make someone less willing to buy when money is tight....BUT people become desensitized to porn for the most part and need newer or more extreme things to do the trick for them.....so the fact that someone has a large collection probably implies the opposite of what you're assuming.
That's probably the person that's MOST likely to buy when they see a new appealing niche or a new girl in her first shoot.

New girls, fresh faces, it's what drives our industry. Always has and always will.
even though I agree with you completely - it is still the 'way things were'

tubes, galleries, freesites... they are all just the 'flyers'. even GFY is a great place to find what is new...

then its off to the Torrents, filesharing, forums, newsgroups... they have all the new stuff covered

no matter what else takes sales away... I believe that oversaturation of free porn by ANY method is what I name the primary killer

people aren't buying because they don't have to

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While I do believe tubes are hurting demand the forums and the newsgroups are as bad or worse. Pornbb, hornywhores dot net, porn-w, planetsuzy, alt.binaries...the list goes on. Most of the larger programs have their site updates posted on these sites the same week or even the same day.

Steve, I think if you have someone who has filled a TB drive with content at their house, there is no stopping that guy from wanting more. You dont get 1000gb of porn without being addicted. The internet sits there like a fresh bag of dope for the addict...you really think he is going to stop? out with the old, in with the new is more like it
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It's a good point.. but, I'm sure a lot of people delete stuff just as a lot of people keep stuff.

I personally clear out my /pr0n/ folder every month.

Cept for the really, really good shit.
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For those of you who don't know, many Asian countries now sell computers, pre-packaged, with torrent software (or whatever you call it) already installed. So those sneaky zipper heads and stealing shit from day one and don't think anything of it.
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Whenever I wonder what I can do to increase sales, I pay more attention to my own porn surfing habits. I figure, I'm a regular guy, and I probably have the same surfing habits as other regular guys, right?

But I don't surf tube sites, and I've never been burned by shady billing practices.

But there is something now that I've never been able to do before: I CAN SURF MY OWN COLLECTION.

Over the years, I've collected hundreds of gigs of porn from paysites, freesites, newsgroups, and trading with friends. And get this: it is ALL stuff I like. I don't have to SEARCH, I don't have to worry about viruses or spyware, and I don't have to pay anything to view it. And it is all VERY personalized!

I just bought a 1.5 TERABYTE external harddrive for $179. I can put 10 years of collected, personalized content all in ONE PLACE. And I can spend WEEKS surfing it all, find mostly content I've completely forgotten about, and never see the same thing twice!

When money is tight, I'm not going to bother with ANYTHING online. I have the ultimate collection already instantly available to me. But massive storage didn't exist 10 years ago, and I think that's why we all made more money THEN.

I believe MASSIVE PERSONAL STORAGE SPACE has hurt our business more than tubes and shady billing practices combined.

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i wish i still had all my pr0n collected form10 years ago. there's a few models i loved back then who are totally gone now and whose names i'll never remember. I could go for a nostalgia fap...

You make an excellent point though. There's a lot fo hardcreporn consumers who are "collectors" and who have massive storage of pictures and videos. There's really no need to pay for anything. I never really considered this point.
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