LA Times: Tough times in the porn industry; Girls Admit They're Not Working - Page 4 - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 08-11-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bcdjudo7

This guy makes the most sense of any posts i've read so far .... yeeeeaaaahhhh .... someone that finally understands ... lol ... Tia

After 30 years you have to earn or lose.

TiaLing · 08-11-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

After 30 years you have to earn or lose.

I imagine that would be true ... Tia

Paul Markham · 08-12-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

After 30 years you have to earn or lose.

Sorry, this should say;

After 30 years you have to learn or lose.

beemk · 08-12-2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

What? She makes 150 grand a year and she had to sell the Mercedes? Holy fuck... she has no clue how to manage her money.. 2-3 years with a decent brokerage and she could be living off dividends instead of having to take drastic action.

Sad... and tragic, but your the product of your decisions I guess.

the amount of work goes down, and coke prices stay the same.... life just isnt fair in porno valley.

Pornwolf · 08-12-2009, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

How do we get Porno Dan to stop working?
If porn is so dead how is he still alive?

I have a feeling Porno Dan will be the last man standing. If the party ends he will be the one who turns off the lights.

Pornwolf · 08-12-2009, 04:47 AM

When Paul talks about something he knows his advice is as good as gold.

BVF · 08-12-2009, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

When we came here the Krown was around 25 CZK to the $. The average monthly wage was in then was 10,000 ($400). The cost of HC was anything from 5,000 CZK ($200) a day to 10,000 CZK ($400) a scene for good girls.

Then the Internet shooters arrived and started to act like the big boys on the block and were paying $1000 (25000 CZK) a HC scene some paid even more. Some solo girl sites were paying $900 a day. The plus side was it got rid of a lot of the cowboys and cheap skates. The agents were suddenly making very big money and telling the girls these rates were normal. The big studios like Private had always paid well,bt he girls looked on that as a bonus.

Now the CZK is 18 to the $ and those rates are beyond companies budgets and they switched to paying in Euros and some stuck to the $.

Today girls will negotiate if the work is there and especially people based here and key to give more than 1 day or 1 scene's work. But the work is not there unless its idiots filling there sites with cheap Russian/Ukraine or similar places $500 a scene. The work is often bad and sometimes awful. Documents can be questionable. They claim to only able to afford this price. I suspect probably because their sites don't convert or retain and don't keep affiliates long.

So back to models.

I have worked in porn since 1977 and endured 3 major recessions, not that porn was ever effected before by recessions. Through all these recessions the number of phone calls from new girls trebled or even quadrupled. The girls were willing to do nearly anything to earn money and would work for less, I still paid the same. I was mostly finding girls direct as agents were not very good and only advertised where I did. The phone never stopped ringing.

Today we are seeing less girls than we have ever seen, it's gone from 2-3 a day to 2-3 a week. They are also very careful what they will do. Most who come to castings will do solo and lesbian, very few new girls will do boy-girl unless its with their boyfriend. Totally different from previous recessions. The reason is AIDS, STDs, and the odds on their friends seeing them having sex on the Internet.

Now think of it, would you risk the above for AIDS, STDs, and friends finding out for cheap rates?.

The old man is right about this one....Unless you're deep in SE Asia like Dirtywhiteboy or deep in Africa where you can buy content with a pig and two chickens, it's more economical to shoot girls in the U.S. unless you actually live in that country like Paul does...

I know from experience in at least Central America and the Caribbean, girls want outrageous prices to do anything and are deathly frightened of being seen on the internet....The hassle makes it not even worth trying it unless a girl just falls into your lap while you're already on vacation.

Sukiho · 08-12-2009, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF

The old man is right about this one....Unless you're deep in SE Asia like Dirtywhiteboy or deep in Africa where you can buy content with a pig and two chickens, it's more economical to shoot girls in the U.S. unless you actually live in that country like Paul does...

I know from experience in at least Central America and the Caribbean, girls want outrageous prices to do anything and are deathly frightened of being seen on the internet....The hassle makes it not even worth trying it unless a girl just falls into your lap while you're already on vacation.

same in SE Asia

Dirty D · 08-12-2009, 07:25 AM

Porno Dan is very active... and selling...
Webmasters that want to make money these days would be wise to promote him!

Drop your non-performing links and promote the new stuff at www.FuckaFan.com

Get your links and ad tools at www.HowIgotRich.com

NemesisEnforcer · 08-12-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Your basis argument is right, many todauy are not shooting because they are not selling. Where you're wrong is the cost of releasing a DVD. $1,500 per scene might just cover the cost of the models, shooters, lighting, sound, make up, location, other costs take it way over $2,000 jhust to shoot the film. Then editing, packaging, duplicating and promotion is more costs. Also I believe that unless the movie is that level they will be getting more like $5. The good movies try to cover all costs with US DVD sales, then there is mobile, Internet, Cable, Hotels and overseas licenses. This is where the profit is made. EU is the same. Just EU sales instead of US sales.

Produce a movie for $10,000 and the danger is it will not sell in many of these markets and consumer loyalty will suck as well after a few editions.

Some DVD companies realised that and many did not. That was the biggest reason for drop in sales once the consumer did not have to buy.

There is no right or wrong, not all productions are done the same. The bottomline is that we're saying the same thing. A number of companies can no longer afford to shoot.

Nautilus · 08-12-2009, 12:14 PM

Maybe that's even fair from some point of you - the world simply doesn't need that much porn. Especially that much of the BAD porn.

AmeliaG · 08-12-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bcdjudo7

Thank you ... I appreciate that ! Tia

What rate do you pay talent on your own site (male or female)?

Porno Dan · 08-12-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty D

Porno Dan is very active... and selling...
Webmasters that want to make money these days would be wise to promote him!

Drop your non-performing links and promote the new stuff at www.FuckaFan.com

Get your links and ad tools at www.HowIgotRich.com

Yes we are very active and still shooting like crazy

We shot four great models yesterday alone.

We are lucky that we are in a program like yours that promotes us heavily.

Orion Productions · 08-12-2009, 02:25 PM

I saw this artical. I live in LA . I do know some that do still.

Orion Productions · 08-12-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

There is no right or wrong, not all productions are done the same. The bottomline is that we're saying the same thing. A number of companies can no longer afford to shoot.

True BTW great pic on your profile.

TiaLing · 08-12-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

What rate do you pay talent on your own site (male or female)?

The content in my site that is not solo or with my man for b/g is usually for content trade with the female model or male model since they're usually another site owner that wants to do it for trade and we're both looking for content in that case. Tia

SGS · 08-12-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by felipeav

The rates for shemale models now in Brazil is going up since the shemale boom started.

Supply and demand = how business works.

It's as simple as that.

DWB · 08-12-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF

The old man is right about this one....Unless you're deep in SE Asia like Dirtywhiteboy or deep in Africa where you can buy content with a pig and two chickens, it's more economical to shoot girls in the U.S. unless you actually live in that country like Paul does...

Dude, I don't know who is telling you the rates, but it only cost a pig. No chickens.

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Originally Posted by BVF

I know from experience in at least Central America and the Caribbean, girls want outrageous prices to do anything and are deathly frightened of being seen on the internet....The hassle makes it not even worth trying it unless a girl just falls into your lap while you're already on vacation.

Same in Asia. It's hella hard to get girls to shoot, let alone pretty ones. We beat the pavement non-stop to find girls. I have staff that works for me on salary that does nothing but scout girls for me.

And it's STILL hard to get them.

1) Culturally it's bad. Selling their body is one thing but making a porno is on another level. Shooting darts out of your pussy is a job. Making a porno is an embarrassment to yourself and your family. I don't see the difference but they do.

2) Now they are ALL hip to the fact that people are going to notice them on the internet. Asia is now 100% online and looking at porn. The Thai porn sites copy American porn and put it on Thai sites where the Thais view it and pay for it via their mobile phone.

3) The pirates here bootleg both DVDs and content from the web. So no matter what I shoot, it's selling on the streets here for $2. Then the girls friends all find out, boyfriends and sometimes their family. They all know this now and it's fucking hard. 6 years ago they didn't have the risks they have now so it was a hell of a lot easier, but these days... fuck. I earn every dollar I get.

Though, maybe you're right... I should add two chickens to the price and sweeten the pot for them.

Grapesoda · 08-12-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Dude, I don't know who is telling you the rates, but it only cost a pig. No chickens.

Same in Asia. It's hella hard to get girls to shoot, let alone pretty ones. We beat the pavement non-stop to find girls. I have staff that works for me on salary that does nothing but scout girls for me.

And it's STILL hard to get them.

1) Culturally it's bad. Selling their body is one thing but making a porno is on another level. Shooting darts out of your pussy is a job. Making a porno is an embarrassment to yourself and your family. I don't see the difference but they do.

2) Now they are ALL hip to the fact that people are going to notice them on the internet. Asia is now 100% online and looking at porn. The Thai porn sites copy American porn and put it on Thai sites where the Thais view it and pay for it via their mobile phone.

3) The pirates here bootleg both DVDs and content from the web. So no matter what I shoot, it's selling on the streets here for $2. Then the girls friends all find out, boyfriends and sometimes their family. They all know this now and it's fucking hard. 6 years ago they didn't have the risks they have now so it was a hell of a lot easier, but these days... fuck. I earn every dollar I get.

Though, maybe you're right... I should add two chickens to the price and sweeten the pot for them.

you can buy 'bagheads.com' from me :

F-U-Jimmy · 08-12-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SGS

Supply and demand = how business works.

It's as simple as that.

At last

Paul Markham · 08-13-2009, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

1) Culturally it's bad. Selling their body is one thing but making a porno is on another level. Shooting darts out of your pussy is a job. Making a porno is an embarrassment to yourself and your family. I don't see the difference but they do.

When I stopped shooting in Thailand it was because of a change in the law. The way it was explained to me was that any Thai girl caught doing porn could get a jail sentence. Working in a Go-Go bar does not carry that risk. 25 years ago before this law it was easy to find girls to pose. Maybe the Internet has made a change.

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2) Now they are ALL hip to the fact that people are going to notice them on the internet. Asia is now 100% online and looking at porn. The Thai porn sites copy American porn and put it on Thai sites where the Thais view it and pay for it via their mobile phone.

We do very well with Japanese traffic. They like teen blonds with nice tits. So they buy memberships.

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3) The pirates here bootleg both DVDs and content from the web. So no matter what I shoot, it's selling on the streets here for $2. Then the girls friends all find out, boyfriends and sometimes their family. They all know this now and it's fucking hard. 6 years ago they didn't have the risks they have now so it was a hell of a lot easier, but these days... fuck. I earn every dollar I get.

They have to buy a DVD, where as many porn sites are free or have free tours. This is where the girls get exposed for doing porn.

People who think it's easy to get girls where the economy is poor are not always right. The first thing I learned coming here was the girls often don't need $500. They are used to living on a low wage or income. So don't do anything they don't want to just to get money. Where as girls in places like London need to earn the money.

bbobby86 · 08-13-2009, 04:49 AM

still do it...

Riffhard · 08-13-2009, 06:20 AM

Regarding paysites...and I don't know how plausible this option is and if it has been brought up before... But why not make it so that the consumer isn't allowed to download the content? Or how about protecting the content like itunes? Bad idea if only a couple of sites do it, but if everyone makes a pact to keep the content off PC's the consumer would have no choice but to join a site if they want to see new content and fresh faces.

Barefootsies · 08-13-2009, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Where as girls in places like London need to earn the money.

Paul Markham · 08-13-2009, 06:45 AM

Yes Barefootsies I thought the girls would be falling over themselves to earn $500. Unemployment or students grants was $170 a month, a shop assistant earned $350 a month and I was under the illusion girls would be lining up for $500 a day. What never occurred to me was they were use to living that money, their friends earned that money and they did not need more. Like yes, need no.

Still had loads of girls to do solo work, who would not go near a vibrator.

Now it's a lot richer here but girls will not work unless they think they can handle all their friends and family knowing.

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