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Iron Fist · 08-10-2009, 10:27 PM

What? She makes 150 grand a year and she had to sell the Mercedes? Holy fuck... she has no clue how to manage her money.. 2-3 years with a decent brokerage and she could be living off dividends instead of having to take drastic action.

Sad... and tragic, but your the product of your decisions I guess.

Roald · 08-10-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

1. No you're not one of my top ten affiliates. You're not even on the same page as guys like joggs and boobster because they specialize in the big tit niche, which for me is where it's happening.

weird: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/884798-solo-girls-revshare-pps-generic-sites.html
And then I got to thinking about how Claudia-Marie.Com compares to other sites. So I took a look at the statistics for Freeones with us. Freeones is in our top ten of affiliates...our biggest ones are sites that some here may not be familiar with so I'm going with Freeones since they post on GFY and you're all familiar with them.

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Not trying to be an asshole, but just telling the truth. Your attitude towards people who pay you is way out of line my friend.

Thats only my attitude against you my friend, and as said before I don't let board get under my skin that much

GAMEFINEST · 08-10-2009, 10:49 PM

lol....spend money on benzos

Jon Oso · 08-10-2009, 10:52 PM

My mom sent me that link in an email.

It was just weird that my mom sent it to me.

Robbie · 08-10-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

weird: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/884798-solo-girls-revshare-pps-generic-sites.html
And then I got to thinking about how Claudia-Marie.Com compares to other sites. So I took a look at the statistics for Freeones with us. Freeones is in our top ten of affiliates...our biggest ones are sites that some here may not be familiar with so I'm going with Freeones since they post on GFY and you're all familiar with them.

Thats only my attitude against you my friend, and as said before I don't let board get under my skin that much

That is true, I did post that you were a "top ten affiliate". And now that I think about it you may very well be as affilate sales are almost dead compared to the type-ins.

And as far as your attitude against me...you don't even know me or anything about me.

But no, you're not a big affiliate of mine. But then again, you don't really do anything to become one. All the sales are simply from your placement in search engines (good job on that). As far as actual traffic you send from your website? Not so much. I'm pretty sure that you GET more traffic from all the google placements for the models you are an affiliate of than you actually send out to them to promote them.

For instance here are google analytics for Claudia-Marie on Aug. 10th:

View this link board.freeones.com
36 3.36 00:04:05 61.11% 47.22%

View this link freeones.com
26 4.38 00:04:24 46.15% 38.46%

That's a total of 62 big hits. and an average of a 40+% bounce rate.

Meanwhile here is the google search engine stats to Claudia-Marie.Com:

google
2,371 5.00 00:04:43 51.62% 25.85%

That's the combined /tour/ and /index.html pages for the 1 and 2 spots. You have the third spot.

So I'm going to have to assume that you get a few hundred unique google hits a day from people searching for Claudia-Marie

And you send me 62.

Pretty sweet deal for you. But it would be real nice if you'd actually promote the site every once in a while....though I can understand why you don't worry about it since you still make sales with us without even trying. You get some nice google traffic and a few sales here and there and I get a handful of hits and an attitude from you. lol

Nice.

Roald · 08-10-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Pretty sweet deal for you. But it would be real nice if you'd actually promote the site every once in a while....though I can understand why you don't worry about it since you still make sales with us without even trying. You get some nice google traffic and a few sales here and there and I get a handful of hits and an attitude from you. lol

Nice.

Thing is CM doens't really fit our traffic to actually do more

Btw just looked up and last sunday we had about 350 hits from google on CM on various combinations.

Now I am out of here since this won't go anywhere again. Enjoy your day/night

xxxjay · 08-10-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by american pervert

boo hoo.. when i started girls were getting $600 for b/g and $700 for b/g anal and the guys around $100-150 per scene .. bring back those rates and they will get more work again.

As usual, blame Brazzers.

I was going to post this same link but Dan beat me to the punch.

Robbie · 08-10-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Thing is CM doens't really fit our traffic to actually do more

Btw just looked up and last sunday we had about 350 hits from google on CM on various combinations.

Now I am out of here since this won't go anywhere again. Enjoy your day/night

Yep, never does go anywhere with you, so I'll just state again what has finally become obvious to most people now...

Piracy has hurt the PORN business badly. Pushing dating and cams can still save your ass (but they aren't real porn). But the actual porn paysites? They are on the verge of hurting just as badly as the DVD industry.

Proof is in the pudding. The major studios are not shooting the schedule they once did and it does affect every facet of our business. From sales to advertising to production crews to talent.

One of two things has to happen. Either the govt. is going to have to "save" the biz by accident by changing laws to protect mainstream (movies and music) OR people are going to have to start protecting their content much more and turn this thing around.

PornHero · 08-10-2009, 11:42 PM

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So I'm going to have to assume that you get a few hundred unique google hits a day from people searching for Claudia-Marie

And you send me 62.

Hi Robbie,

interesting post.

Question for you: Is there any reason why you don't put all those FHG images on their own individual HTML page, link the image to your site and put big fat ENTER CLAUDIA-MARIE.COM | JOIN CLAUDIA-MARIE.COM links at the bottom of each image?

It seems to me that you are letting the surfer look at all those large images but not taking the opportunity to make the sale on each view.

xxxjay · 08-10-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PornHero

Hi Robbie,

interesting post.

Question for you: Is there any reason why you don't put all those FHG images on their own individual HTML page, link the image to your site and put big fat ENTER CLAUDIA-MARIE.COM | JOIN CLAUDIA-MARIE.COM links at the bottom of each image?

It seems to me that you are letting the surfer look at all those large images but not taking the opportunity to make the sale on each view.

I've always felt that was the way to go. A lot of old TGP scripts wouldn't allow you to import galleries that were linked to HTML pages. I'm sure that could be changed by now.

Robbie · 08-11-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by PornHero

Hi Robbie,

interesting post.

Question for you: Is there any reason why you don't put all those FHG images on their own individual HTML page, link the image to your site and put big fat ENTER CLAUDIA-MARIE.COM | JOIN CLAUDIA-MARIE.COM links at the bottom of each image?

It seems to me that you are letting the surfer look at all those large images but not taking the opportunity to make the sale on each view.

Probably just the old school TGP guy in me. That used to be part of the rules for posting on AL4A or Ampland back in the day when I was involved with those sites. In the mid 1990's we devised a set of rules to keep any bullshit from happening as much as possible. And one of those rules was that thumbs had to link directly to the .jpg Kept people from pulling stunts on us back in the old days when I accepted user submitted galleries. I've always continued to make my galleries with some of those old school "rules" in the back of my head.

Edit: Jay posted the answer as I was posting it too.

Second Edit: But I think I'll take that advice and make my next galleries thumbs link to individual pages for each image and then have each image with the strack nats code on it so the affiliate gets credit if the surfer clicks on the image. That would be some nice search engine stuff there too as I could script up some stuff to make some unique meta tags for each of those pages pulled from the alt tags (I put handwritten unique alt tags on all the thumbs so I would use those for the actual full sized image as well)

Robbie · 08-11-2009, 12:08 AM

Goddammit PornHero, thank you for saving this thread.

Sometimes I need somebody to slap me with something obvious in order for me to see it. I'm sitting here and thinking of all the possibilities of cool things to do for SEO just by linking the thumbs to the separate html pages.

My mind would have never wandered in that direction if you hadn't posted. Thanks brother!

PornHero · 08-11-2009, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Goddammit PornHero, thank you for saving this thread.

Sometimes I need somebody to slap me with something obvious in order for me to see it. I'm sitting here and thinking of all the possibilities of cool things to do for SEO just by linking the thumbs to the separate html pages.

My mind would have never wandered in that direction if you hadn't posted. Thanks brother!

PornHero to the rescue!

Porno Dan · 08-11-2009, 12:20 AM

Sorry for taking so long to add my take on this, as I had to meet with editors, our box cover designers and shoot a scene today.

Between my business partner, Jim Powers and I, we produce well over 300 scenes a year, so we are pretty qualified to speak on this.

Production is down, way way down.

The only reason we shoot so much is we are lucky enough to distribute our content across numerous revenue streams.

Pure Play handles our physical media and US and Canadian broadcast, Plaid Bag Media, our foreign rights deals, Camz our live broadcasts, Dirty D of How I Got Rich our subscription based sites.

Most produces I know rely on one or two revenue streams.

They have been forced to resell their content to brokers that have whored it out on the net, As a result the value of their catlogue fell.

To make matters worse their revenue decreased, as a result of only having one of two possible ways to earn income.

Now you see producers desperate to make deals and work with program owners to give them "great deals" on exclusive content.

I have never had the luxury of being able to afford a production manager, multiple production assistants, lighting guys, expensive locations, fancy food on set etc...

I have always had to haggle on talent and negotiate in an effort to try and save as much capital as possible.

Now that times are tough you see other producers scrambling to adapt to what they feel are Spartan working conditions, or what I am used to.

The net result is a lot less people are being employed to produce content.

The ones who are lucky enough to get hired either work for less, or they don't work at all.

This is true of everyone involved in production from makeup artists, to talent, to production assistants.

It is not going to get any better until we stop supporting companies who steal our content and give it away for free.

I can't see how companies are able to turn a profit by paying the outrageous pre- paid spots the tube sites charge.

It is my hope, however naive it may be, that once the companies advertising on sites that give away content see that it does not make financial sense that this will force them out of business.

Unless this happens, we will see a continued downturn in production and our entire industry.

Robbie · 08-11-2009, 12:27 AM

Yo Dan, check your email and get back to me with that info

xxxjay · 08-11-2009, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

It is not going to get any better until we stop supporting companies who steal our content and give it away for free.

I can't see how companies are able to turn a profit by paying the outrageous pre- paid spots the tube sites charge.

Like I said, blame Brazzers.

C H R I S · 08-11-2009, 02:31 AM

Doom and Gloom.... sky is falling.....

We need to stop this mind set in the media and in our own minds. Yes the model is changing, yes the economy sucks .... wake up and find whats next.

Insomnia post.....

raven1083 · 08-11-2009, 02:39 AM

Porn makes money so I do love porn

JP-pornshooter · 08-11-2009, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by marcop

In 2006 and 2007 some of the bigger agencies became very aggressive about pushing girls' rates up. Consequently, I started booking a lot of girls direct--which is not hard to do. Also, as rates went up, so the amount of work that agents were booking for most girls went down... In early 2007, I called one agent and offered $800 for a specific model for an easy and quick b/g scene... and he told me the girl wanted $900. He was unwilling to negotiate, and as I had a thin margin on the shoot, I booked another girl. A couple weeks later the $900 model came to my studio to pick up her roommate, who I was shooting, and she told me she hadn't worked in over a month!

I know of girls who've been in the biz for a while who are now booking b/g shoots for $500 and $600 dollars, even though they insist on the fiction that their "rate" is $1,000 or whatever. I've never seen such an over-supply of female talent in the 12 years I've been shooting. That, coupled with the downturn in the business, which has caused people to cut down on shooting, meant that prices had to come down. IMHO, prices for talent will continue to fall--at least until shooting picks up again.

the usual summer slow down coupled with the recession coupled with the over abundance of free content could cause the usual "summer slow down" to last until after AVN.. or beyond.

Paul Markham · 08-11-2009, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by american pervert

boo hoo.. when i started girls were getting $600 for b/g and $700 for b/g anal and the guys around $100-150 per scene .. bring back those rates and they will get more work again.

This is to all the people complaining about the price of girls.

No they won't get more work, unless you're admitting you would shoot more if the girls were cheaper and you would be in a minority. The problem is the work is not there like it used to be not the girls charging to much. Not for the Net, DVD or magazies

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Originally Posted by XPays

dmca needs to be changed asap. once it is, we will have a super crop of porn junkies to sell to on a bigger scale than ever before.

Yes or we need to do something about Tube sites, which is very unlikely to happen.

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

The industry is based on fresh faces...

And since we decided to spread their faces on as many free site as possible, many decided this was no a good way to earn money. And to steer clear of doing BG. They don't think letting their family know they got gang banged or do anal is a great thing for $500

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Originally Posted by marcop

Websites shooting their own content certainly contributed to the rise in cost of hiring talent. Several successful website owners thought they could make more money by shooting their own content--by cutting out the middleman: the content producers.

However, I don't think these guys ever accounted for the all the costs involved with shooting (including insurance, locations, models flaking, kill fees, grips, permits, and the hidden costs of in-house employees such as: workman's comp and health insurance (yeah, right), etc.).

One other thing: in-house employees weren't inclined to negotiate with agents who wanted $500 for a bj scene or $1,200 for a b/g scene with one of their models. Why would they? After all, it wasn't their money.

When websites stat booking girls based on their price there's very wrong. A girl should on her ability and suitability for the job. Also one of the reasons for the decline in the industry is the belief that anyone can shoot porn. Many think submitting galleries takes more skill, sadly the consumer does not agree and is not buying because of the dross available.

But the main reason for the industries decline over the last two years are Tubes and two years after they appeared and started to take our customers no one has come up with an answer. Except open a Tube site.

gideongallery · 08-11-2009, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Yep, never does go anywhere with you, so I'll just state again what has finally become obvious to most people now...

Piracy has hurt the PORN business badly. Pushing dating and cams can still save your ass (but they aren't real porn). But the actual porn paysites? They are on the verge of hurting just as badly as the DVD industry.

Proof is in the pudding. The major studios are not shooting the schedule they once did and it does affect every facet of our business. From sales to advertising to production crews to talent.

One of two things has to happen. Either the govt. is going to have to "save" the biz by accident by changing laws to protect mainstream (movies and music) OR people are going to have to start protecting their content much more and turn this thing around.

or the third option
people who are not clueless will figuire out a solution that is as simple as "put your stuff on the cassette tapes and sell it"
and turn the big bad problem of piracy with tubes/torrents into the next vcr revenue stream.

i don't expect the solution to come from someone who's idea of creativity is to basically copy waynes world over the top product placement in a porn video.

DWB · 08-11-2009, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AVNChris

Doom and Gloom.... sky is falling.....

We need to stop this mind set in the media and in our own minds. Yes the model is changing, yes the economy sucks .... wake up and find whats next.

Insomnia post.....

Have you not noticed your own company discontinuing one of their magazine and the other has become so thin it's not even worth picking up to read anymore because it's just a handful of ads from the usual suspects?

AVN if anyone, should be shitting bricks right now. Once the DVD industry is finally toast, and that day is coming, you guys are up shit creek without a paddle.

Barefootsies · 08-11-2009, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Have you not noticed your own company discontinuing one of their magazine and the other has become so thin it's not even worth picking up to read anymore because it's just a handful of ads from the usual suspects?

AVN if anyone, should be shitting bricks right now. Once the DVD industry is finally toast, and that day is coming, you guys are up shit creek without a paddle.

EscortBiz · 08-11-2009, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

It is my hope, however naive it may be, that once the companies advertising on sites that give away content see that it does not make financial sense that this will force them out of business.

Unless this happens, we will see a continued downturn in production and our entire industry.

Only new laws will solve the problem, the theft is a problem for anyone producing anything adult, non adult, music, video etc.

See when the FBI comes knocking at your door and asks you to produce ID's for a model on your site you cant tell them "ill simply remove her" the law is clear if you post it you need the paperwork.

Same should apply to content, if you post it you need documents showing a release, currently you can post it and if someone says take it down you have a few days to take it down.

In the real world you get caught with stolen goods in your car you get locked up, you can try telling the cop the goods where uploaded by some stranger into your back seat but it wont help, same should apply to content, the fact its digital shouldn't matter.

Like I said only strict new laws will save the entertainment industry as well as some major changes we need to make, but im not worried about changes site owners need to make because it will either be encode and secure your stuff and start charging accordingly and maybe stay in business or simply dont do those things and go out of business.

DWB · 08-11-2009, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Well, it's true.

Watching them downsize is just a does of reality for the entire industry. I remember that magazine used to be damn near an inch thick.

C H R I S · 08-11-2009, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Have you not noticed your own company discontinuing one of their magazine and the other has become so thin it's not even worth picking up to read anymore because it's just a handful of ads from the usual suspects?

AVN if anyone, should be shitting bricks right now. Once the DVD industry is finally toast, and that day is coming, you guys are up shit creek without a paddle.

Actually the consolidation of the magazines is the best thing that has happened in a long time. There is absolutely no reason to be printing 5 magazines at a time when print media is in the toilet. Newspapers are closing down.

In order to survive and thrive there will be plenty of painful adjustements made, but I am confident that we will continue to serve the industry as we have for the past 25 years - for another 25 years. I am not sure if I'll be there in 25 years, but I know for a fact that AVN is not going anywhere - the brand is to strong.

You also must realize that certain segments are doing mujch better than DVD and Digital Media. Novelty is the largest growing segment - with over 150 exhibitors at AVN Adult Novelty Expo last month, ANE will continue growing.

Paddle, we dont need one - shit - please....

american pervert · 08-11-2009, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

As usual, blame Brazzers.

I was going to post this same link but Dan beat me to the punch.

its not just them.. naughty did their fair share of over paying too

american pervert · 08-11-2009, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This is to all the people complaining about the price of girls.

No they won't get more work, unless you're admitting you would shoot more if the girls were cheaper and you would be in a minority. The problem is the work is not there like it used to be not the girls charging to much. Not for the Net, DVD or magazies

you have the ability to book girls in a country where the avg monthly take home pay is $120 usd. Here in the usa the girls want more and i would of shot more because I could take the profit i made off of other shoots and came out of pocket to shoot more scenes instead of depending on a client to foot the whole bill.

BVF · 08-11-2009, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I often wonder why anyone would do porn... Why not become an affiliate and make much more cash?

Mainly because these people aren't too bright to begin with.

Good morning Mr. Arrogant....Nice way to shit on people that you make money off of just for shits and giggles and to put a smirk on your face.

DWB · 08-11-2009, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AVNChris

Actually the consolidation of the magazines is the best thing that has happened in a long time. There is absolutely no reason to be printing 5 magazines at a time when print media is in the toilet. Newspapers are closing down.

In order to survive and thrive there will be plenty of painful adjustements made, but I am confident that we will continue to serve the industry as we have for the past 25 years - for another 25 years. I am not sure if I'll be there in 25 years, but I know for a fact that AVN is not going anywhere - the brand is to strong.

You also must realize that certain segments are doing mujch better than DVD and Digital Media. Novelty is the largest growing segment - with over 150 exhibitors at AVN Adult Novelty Expo last month, ANE will continue growing.

Paddle, we dont need one - shit - please....

I agree 200% that consolidation was the best for AVN. To start, it was not needed in the first place. Secondly, you have to do it.

Yes, novelty is the largest growing segment, and that pretty much enforces what I've already said. When the shows become small gatherings and you have lost sponsor revenue and the DVD and online companies have either scaled way back or cut out massive advertising, leaving you with novelty companies, then Adut VIDEO News is going to have to transform into something else in order to survive. Until of course someone starts giving away sex toys for free.

It's just common sense, if your sponsors can't make it, how can you? Those who can make it are going to have to circle the wagons unless some MAJOR changes happen regarding piracy and the state of the economy, which by the way, the economic mess is just starting. We haven't see anything yet.

I'd keep a paddle on hand as well as a reserve chute. There will be a lot more downsizing at AVN (and at all companies) coming soon. It's unfortunately inevitable.

DWB · 08-11-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by american pervert

you have the ability to book girls in a country where the avg monthly take home pay is $120 usd. Here in the usa the girls want more and i would of shot more because I could take the profit i made off of other shoots and came out of pocket to shoot more scenes instead of depending on a client to foot the whole bill.

Everything else in America has been outsourced, perhaps it's time for the porn industry to do the same. If everyone in LA has fucked it up so bad, then there are only but two solutions: Get a bailout (yea, right) or shoot in a cheaper location.

RadicalSights · 08-11-2009, 06:55 AM

Tough in design for Adult too. It just trickles down. I was talking to someone last week who sells CMS software and he mentioned he is getting lots of complaints from designers he knows (who usually do very well) but are dying now....

Paul Markham · 08-11-2009, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by american pervert

you have the ability to book girls in a country where the avg monthly take home pay is $120 usd. Here in the usa the girls want more and i would of shot more because I could take the profit i made off of other shoots and came out of pocket to shoot more scenes instead of depending on a client to foot the whole bill.

Start a post with mistake and carry on from there. The average take home wage here is closer to $1,000 a month. So your $120 is wildly wrong.

There were a lot of US and other EU countries studios shooting here, also the custom shooters were shooting for sites outside CZ. In fact there were very few shooters in CZ shooting for the home market. The problem is not the girls charging too much as the article shows they will work for a lot lower. The work is simply not there.

If anyone wants BG for a good price, let them contact us and we can negotiate, it seems better than US people. But please no offers for exclusive BG custom scenes for $500.

pornlaw · 08-11-2009, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AVNChris

Novelty is the largest growing segment - with over 150 exhibitors at AVN Adult Novelty Expo last month, ANE will continue growing.

Thats interesting... care to explain why the 5 biggest novelty companies pulled out of AVN's ANE last month and started their own show the weekend before AVN's show started ? Without the big boys how does AVN expect their novelty show to continue ? It would be akin to saying that Vivid, DP, Hustler, Adam & Eve and Wicked pulled out of AEE but the show is still going strong ?

Lace · 08-11-2009, 08:18 AM

Good - stop charging ridiculous amounts to get their cunts stuffed and they might make some cash. I think that's going to be a breaking point in porn - pricing.

CurrentlySober · 08-11-2009, 08:39 AM

I FUCKIN HATE... Poppy Morgan..

american pervert · 08-11-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Everything else in America has been outsourced, perhaps it's time for the porn industry to do the same. If everyone in LA has fucked it up so bad, then there are only but two solutions: Get a bailout (yea, right) or shoot in a cheaper location.

thats why I'm shooting in argentina now

american pervert · 08-11-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Start a post with mistake and carry on from there. The average take home wage here is closer to $1,000 a month. So your $120 is wildly wrong.

There were a lot of US and other EU countries studios shooting here, also the custom shooters were shooting for sites outside CZ. In fact there were very few shooters in CZ shooting for the home market. The problem is not the girls charging too much as the article shows they will work for a lot lower. The work is simply not there.

If anyone wants BG for a good price, let them contact us and we can negotiate, it seems better than US people. But please no offers for exclusive BG custom scenes for $500.

ok, so maybe the monthly avg went up the past 10 years.. what else did I get wrong??

yeah, you've been shooting forever.. guess what, I will have too when I'm you're age.

TheAmericanCannibal · 08-11-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Thats interesting... care to explain why the 5 biggest novelty companies pulled out of AVN's ANE last month and started their own show the weekend before AVN's show started ? Without the big boys how does AVN expect their novelty show to continue ? It would be akin to saying that Vivid, DP, Hustler, Adam & Eve and Wicked pulled out of AEE but the show is still going strong ?

Michael that is 100% true.

Chris u say AVN will be around for another 25 yrs but you also didn't mention that AVN is now competing with their advertisers making the magazine more B to C.

Do u really think AVN will exist as a consumer magazine in a day and age where print is dead?

See, that is the problem with AVN- and it's not a personal attack on you so dont get your panties in a bunch like in your ROI thread. I told my sister in law when she was the head of ad sales this years ago....

" Why would any web based company advertise in a print medium"?

It still sounds funny. You guys have continued to be an analog company in a digital world.

If AVN really wanted to succeed in this business, they would have diversified and built a web site that catered to the web owners- I once gave them the opportunity to by YNOT in 1999 and Darren and Paul laughed at me.

It would have saved your entire company had they done this, instead of banking on Francis and Priapus buying you guys.

That in itself still cracks me up

F-U-Jimmy · 08-11-2009, 09:37 AM

I agree and it was not always the models asking for more $$ as I found out when I had the opportunity of working with a model that an LA agency was asking $1200.00 for a B/G. She was very surprised that her agency was upping her rate to $1200 from her normal $900. She worked for me for just $600 and was happy to get that.
Im finding models are willing to accept way less during these hard times but not via agencies

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Originally Posted by marcop

In 2006 and 2007 some of the bigger agencies became very aggressive about pushing girls' rates up. Consequently, I started booking a lot of girls direct--which is not hard to do. Also, as rates went up, so the amount of work that agents were booking for most girls went down... In early 2007, I called one agent and offered $800 for a specific model for an easy and quick b/g scene... and he told me the girl wanted $900. He was unwilling to negotiate, and as I had a thin margin on the shoot, I booked another girl. A couple weeks later the $900 model came to my studio to pick up her roommate, who I was shooting, and she told me she hadn't worked in over a month!

I know of girls who've been in the biz for a while who are now booking b/g shoots for $500 and $600 dollars, even though they insist on the fiction that their "rate" is $1,000 or whatever. I've never seen such an over-supply of female talent in the 12 years I've been shooting. That, coupled with the downturn in the business, which has caused people to cut down on shooting, meant that prices had to come down. IMHO, prices for talent will continue to fall--at least until shooting picks up again.

NemesisEnforcer · 08-11-2009, 09:41 AM

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Thats interesting... care to explain why the 5 biggest novelty companies pulled out of AVN's ANE last month and started their own show the weekend before AVN's show started ?

I was at that show last month. Probably the same reason why AVN encouraged the adult industry to pull out of CES. The "5 biggest novelty companies" can probably do a better job on their own. AVN is NOT the end-all trade show solution for the industry.

marketsmart · 08-11-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AVNChris

I am not sure if I'll be there in 25 years, but I know for a fact that AVN is not going anywhere - the brand is to strong.

that's what playboy said...

NemesisEnforcer · 08-11-2009, 10:08 AM

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... When websites stat booking girls based on their price there's very wrong. A girl should on her ability and suitability for the job. ...

That is so true. I've come to learn that when a girl charges $2,500.00 for anal or $3,500.00 for a boy/girl scene, that means she does not want to do it. If you book her, you usually get a horrible scene from her.

Grapesoda · 08-11-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

That is so true. I've come to learn that when a girl charges $2,500.00 for anal or $3,500.00 for a boy/girl scene, that means she does not want to do it. If you book her, you usually get a horrible scene from her.

except for abby brooks

Socks · 08-11-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

i got payed 3$ to be naked :D

17,000 posts and you haven't figured out the quote thing yet.. nice.

SoloGirlsContent · 08-11-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AVNChris

Actually the consolidation of the magazines is the best thing that has happened in a long time. There is absolutely no reason to be printing 5 magazines at a time when print media is in the toilet. Newspapers are closing down.

In order to survive and thrive there will be plenty of painful adjustements made, but I am confident that we will continue to serve the industry as we have for the past 25 years - for another 25 years. I am not sure if I'll be there in 25 years, but I know for a fact that AVN is not going anywhere - the brand is to strong.

You also must realize that certain segments are doing mujch better than DVD and Digital Media. Novelty is the largest growing segment - with over 150 exhibitors at AVN Adult Novelty Expo last month, ANE will continue growing.

Paddle, we dont need one - shit - please....

as a major publisher in the 90's, I must say you are fucking kidding yourself, but you're not in the Main man's seat, he wouldn't be on here saying this shit...the MAN sees the numbers and he's thinking about his family right now" getting rid of magazine 1 is the beginning of the end. The next mag will fall also and so on..then the wrap up of shows. you'll see. All of us CAN NOT compete against something that is FREE! I don't give a fuck WHO you are!
Pandora's box is now open and hold your fucking money starting NOW!

SoloGirlsContent · 08-11-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

that's what playboy said...

TOUCHE'

The Duck · 08-11-2009, 12:04 PM

Is anyone really suprised...

DWB · 08-11-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by american pervert

thats why I'm shooting in argentina now

Amen. And that's why I'm shooting in Asia.

DWB · 08-11-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

that's what playboy said...

Right. Who could have EVER predicted that PLAYBOY would fail?

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