Universal Health Care: Why the Current System May Bring My Death from the Big C - GoFuckYourself.com

epitome · 08-16-2009, 10:27 AM

Earlier this week, my boyfriend and I split. I was two months from getting domestic partner benefits from his company. We were just waiting for the two years of living together mark to qualify.

In November I had surgery and they found something alarming, but I did not realize how alarming it was. Without insurance, I never followed up.

I ended up in the ER the other night for an infection (related to my Crohn's Disease) that has been raging for months and that never really goes fully away.

The doctors asks me how my back is feeling. I'm like WTF!? He said that the growth on my spine has grown and that is indicative of cancer and asked if I followed up with the appropriate tests.

I hadn't.

No insurance company is required to carry me. I cannot acquire private insurance. I am too successful for state or federal coverage.

No hospital has to do anything for me because I have no complaints and do not present with problems related to that. They have to treat your immediate needs. Something that may kill me does not matter...it must be killing me. Everything has to be paid at time of service.

I live OK, but I spent the savings that covered a years of living expenses over the last year and a half when I was so sick. Now I get my bills paid each month and have little left over. I depleted my savings. Most people do not have even six months saved up...I did great by having a year's worth...so don't dare bitch about personal responsibility.

I have to see a ton of specialists.

My father became permanently disabled when he fell 15 feet at work and broke a few dozen bones. He ended up with a worker's comp settlement, disability and social security that equals enough to sustain the modest lifestyle he had before the accident.

I have to talk to his lawyer that fast-tracked his social security, and who also specializes in Medicare.

The only option at this point appears to be walk away from my house and my income. Move into my fathers basement and not earn more than a few hundred dollars a month.

I will then become YOUR burden. Your tax dollars will have to pay for my living expenses and my health expenses.

If you are against universal coverage, then I do not feel the least bit bad about you paying for me. The system you are so against is why I may no longer be allowed to be self-sufficient.

If you are for universal coverage, thank you for having a heart, caring about your fellow man and I am sorry for being a burden on you.

I am hoping that with the serious threat of cancer (the doctor says the growth is what is alarming...the thing itself isn't always harmful if it doesn't grow, but rapid growth like mine is usually never OK), I can get some kind of coverage through the government that I can pay for.

If you are against universal coverage, just remember that a lot of people that support themselves are squeezed out by the greedy insurance companies. The poor people already get all of the insurance they need. It is those that are solidly in the middle class that are squeezed out and left to fend for themselves.

It's ironic that I may have to stop being successful and mooch off the government to possibly live...rather than just pay for the insurance nobody will take my money for.

Please think about me the next time you argue against universal coverage. There are probably millions of me out there. It may be many more months before I even find out if I have cancer rapidly growing in my body.

The real "death panels" are the insurance companies. The one's that reject my applications for coverage due to pre-existing conditions.

Thanks for reading. I hope I have changed the perception of just one person on GFY. I have argued in this debate often as it was always personal to me. Now it may have become a matter of life or death.

I will probably being lying lower than I usually do. This has been the worst week ever with the double whammy of losing the love of my life and being told I may have cancer and then having no way to find out right now. It still hasn't fully sunk in.

DaddyHalbucks · 08-16-2009, 10:53 AM

I am very sorry to hear that.

But one heartbreaking case should not make policy.

I am against socialized medicine. It failed miserably in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. Former Eastern European countries have dropped it and are moving to a more western/ capitalist format.

No one, not even the most hardened communist, would want death panels by design. But there is no way to avoid them. Universal health care will so overwhelm resources that it will result in government rationing of healthcare. Death Panels are unavoidable.

The current system needs to be fixed, but not by trading big insurance for big brother.

fatfoo · 08-16-2009, 10:56 AM

I'm also sorry to hear that. Good luck, epitome.

badmin · 08-16-2009, 11:52 AM

Sorry to hear it, too. Health insurance is like hedging your bets. It's not a coupon for health care when you need it.

roly · 08-16-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am very sorry to hear that.

But one heartbreaking case should not make policy.

I am against socialized medicine. It failed miserably in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. Former Eastern European countries have dropped it and are moving to a more western/ capitalist format.

No one, not even the most hardened communist, would want death panels by design. But there is no way to avoid them. Universal health care will so overwhelm resources that it will result in government rationing of healthcare. Death Panels are unavoidable.

The current system needs to be fixed, but not by trading big insurance for big brother.

i don't know anything about canadian health care, but tell me how it has failed in the UK?

directfiesta · 08-16-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am very sorry to hear that.

But one heartbreaking case should not make policy.

I am against socialized medicine. It failed miserably in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. Former Eastern European countries have dropped it and are moving to a more western/ capitalist format.

No one, not even the most hardened communist, would want death panels by design. But there is no way to avoid them. Universal health care will so overwhelm resources that it will result in government rationing of healthcare. Death Panels are unavoidable.

The current system needs to be fixed, but not by trading big insurance for big brother.

You are uninformed ... and badly ......

BTW, my dad is now in the hospital for a prostate intervention that will allow him to lose the " urine bag " ...
2 months ago, he got a melonoma removed and had skin graph on his leg.
2 major heart surgery, one colon cancer operation.

Total out of pocket : $ 0.00
Waiting time :
- Heart: none, went directly to the operation room.
- Melonoma: 2 weeks after didgnostics
- Colon cancer : 11 days after diagnostics

Yep, it is bad up here ... death panel must have overlooked my dad ....

seeandsee · 08-16-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fatfoo

I'm also sorry to hear that. Good luck, epitome.

roly · 08-16-2009, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am very sorry to hear that.

But one heartbreaking case should not make policy.

I am against socialized medicine. It failed miserably in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. Former Eastern European countries have dropped it and are moving to a more western/ capitalist format.

No one, not even the most hardened communist, would want death panels by design. But there is no way to avoid them. Universal health care will so overwhelm resources that it will result in government rationing of healthcare. Death Panels are unavoidable.

The current system needs to be fixed, but not by trading big insurance for big brother.

i'm guessing you're an ill imformed reader of the ill informed right wing press who have been bashing the british nhs as a means of undermining Obama's plans. you were no doubt reading the article that stated:

“People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the UK, where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless,”

firstly hawking is british (the nearest he comes to being american is the accent in his digitised voice)

secondly he lives in the uk

and thirdly he has treatment under the nhs and this is what he had to say about it. “I wouldn’t be here today if it were not for the NHS,” he said. “I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived.”

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 08-16-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am very sorry to hear that.

But one heartbreaking case should not make policy.

Isn't it amazing that the ONE heartbreaking case in the WHOLE USA with this sort of issue posts on GFY? I mean, what are the odds, right??

OP, I'm sorry to hear what you're going through. Do whatever it takes to see a doctor. I am pretty sure there are programs to help cancer patients. Keep calling doctors until you find one that will help you.

IllTestYourGirls · 08-16-2009, 12:18 PM

You can not compare any socialized care of other countries with the way it would be in the US.

The US has more illegals than Canada has citizens. And that number will skyrocket if this bill passes.

The US has huge military spending, foreign aid programs and a world empire to pay for.

Get rid of the huge military spending, foreign aid, world empire and illegal aliens and maybe then the US could have uni health care.

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 08-16-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by roly

?People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn?t have a chance in the UK, where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless,?

firstly hawking is british (the nearest he comes to being american is the accent in his digitised voice)

secondly he lives in the uk

and thirdly he has treatment under the nhs and this is what he had to say about it. ?I wouldn?t be here today if it were not for the NHS,? he said. ?I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived.?

The truth is a pesky little bastard.

IllTestYourGirls · 08-16-2009, 12:25 PM

30% of Canadians pay no taxes at all

http://communities.canada.com/calgar...ax-at-all.aspx

43% of Americans pay no taxes

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4945874.shtml

Just think of what will happen when 13% of the population go from GETTING money back to HAVING to pay taxes, in a recession? I wonder if they could afford their homes then.....

epitome · 08-16-2009, 02:02 PM

Thanks everyone.

OK, if you do not believe in free insurance, do you at least believe that insurance companies should be required to cover everyone?

Even if there is a high risk pool.

You know, I'm expensive. I consume a lot of resources. I'll gladly pay $1,000 per month for coverage.

BUT somebody has to be required to cover me if I want to pay.

That is why the fucking system sucks so bad. These companies get to pick their profit levels. That is not what insurance is. It's a gamble. If you don't want to gamble, don't go in the damn insurance business in the first place.

With the re-insurance system, the risks are even lower. Re-insurance is one of the best things out there...but nobody ever really talks about that.

epitome · 08-16-2009, 02:05 PM

And I should note...

Nobody is really pitching free insurance. The goal is universal coverage.

I'll say it again...the deadbeats already have great insurance. It's called Medicaid. Pop a kid out, get food stamps, get welfare, get free insurance.

The poor people will get their health care for free with or without this bill. That will never change.

epitome · 08-16-2009, 02:08 PM

...and finally, today (as in a little while ago) I've decided to stop feeling sorry for myself and I am on a fucking mission to figure out a workaround.

There is a solution to this. I will have to dig hard, but I'll figure something out.

I've overcome bigger challenges than this. My self-pity is manifesting into anger and when I am angry, I end up getting what I put my mind to.

Bill8 · 08-16-2009, 02:14 PM

Republicans will happily dance on your grave - then when it happens to them, they will cry like little girls.

IllTestYourGirls · 08-16-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Thanks everyone.

OK, if you do not believe in free insurance, do you at least believe that insurance companies should be required to cover everyone?

Even if there is a high risk pool.

You know, I'm expensive. I consume a lot of resources. I'll gladly pay $1,000 per month for coverage.

BUT somebody has to be required to cover me if I want to pay.

That is why the fucking system sucks so bad. These companies get to pick their profit levels. That is not what insurance is. It's a gamble. If you don't want to gamble, don't go in the damn insurance business in the first place.

With the re-insurance system, the risks are even lower. Re-insurance is one of the best things out there...but nobody ever really talks about that.

Without a doubt.

Further more insurance policies should be for 20 years not year by year. Stop the restrictions on buying from another state, give tax breaks to employers and employees that buy coverage. That would drive costs way down.

the Shemp · 08-16-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

30% of Canadians pay no taxes at all

http://communities.canada.com/calgar...ax-at-all.aspx

43% of Americans pay no taxes

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4945874.shtml

Just think of what will happen when 13% of the population go from GETTING money back to HAVING to pay taxes, in a recession? I wonder if they could afford their homes then.....

all canadians pay taxes ...

hypedough · 08-16-2009, 03:39 PM

That's a really sad post man, the benefits around right now don't help the people who are getting completely fucked right now: Those making enough money to live well, but not enough money to pay the huge medical bills. Having had a baby recently, you realize that the hospital has no problems giving you another mortgage to pay for.

Sausage · 08-16-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am very sorry to hear that.

But one heartbreaking case should not make policy.

I am against socialized medicine. It failed miserably in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. Former Eastern European countries have dropped it and are moving to a more western/ capitalist format.

No one, not even the most hardened communist, would want death panels by design. But there is no way to avoid them. Universal health care will so overwhelm resources that it will result in government rationing of healthcare. Death Panels are unavoidable.

The current system needs to be fixed, but not by trading big insurance for big brother.

Oh really?

Works just fine here.

Though I expect the typical American attitude of "I'm ok so fuck everyone else" will win out in the end

cherrylula · 08-16-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by roly

i don't know anything about canadian health care, but tell me how it has failed in the UK?

dont listen to some troll in Vegas claiming things about a foreign country LOL

EscortBiz · 08-16-2009, 04:05 PM

sorry to hear about this and I wish you the best

insurance is expensive because doctors have become drug pushers and get kicbacks from mri and sleep study centers costing the insurance companies billions a year.

doctors who commit this fraud (most) need to be sentenced to life in prison, their fraud is whats not allowing people to get insurance in turn killing them.

Kingfish · 08-16-2009, 04:17 PM

I wish you great luck. I have a somewhat similar experience. I have been self employed for years. My wife left her job. We paid Cobra premiums of approximately$1,800 a month for the full 18 months allowable by law. No company that can legally sell me insurance would offer me a policy at any price, but I make too much to qualify for any state or federal program. I simply don?t go to the doctor because at this point anything they find will become a pre-existing condition that won?t get covered if I ever do get insurance so what?s the point? Like you said and contrary what most people believe they won?t give you free treatment at your local hospital emergency room. If you walk in because you?re in pain, they do x-rays and discover you have cancer they will send you home with some pain pills and tell you to make an appointment with a specialist that you will have to make payment arrangements with before you get treatment.

If anything catastrophic ever happens to me I have come to the same conclusion the only thing to do is simply shut down the business, hand my house/cars over to the bank and move in with a relative so I qualify for Medicaid. Nut ball conservatives tell me they don?t want to pay for my health insurance what they don?t realize is because I don?t have any they all ready are and if I get sick not only will they pay my health insurance they will also have to pay to support me and my family because that is the existing system we have.

weekly · 08-16-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am very sorry to hear that.

But one heartbreaking case should not make policy.

I am against socialized medicine. It failed miserably in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. Former Eastern European countries have dropped it and are moving to a more western/ capitalist format.

No one, not even the most hardened communist, would want death panels by design. But there is no way to avoid them. Universal health care will so overwhelm resources that it will result in government rationing of healthcare. Death Panels are unavoidable.

The current system needs to be fixed, but not by trading big insurance for big brother.

It didn't and hasn't failed miserably in Canada. WTF are you talking about? It works fine. And it works well in the UK and possibly even better in France. However, I do see your point. It doesn't cover ignorance and you seem to have a terminal case.

weekly · 08-16-2009, 04:21 PM

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I am pretty sure there are programs to help cancer patients.

PRETTY SURE. In other words, you have no fucking idea. If it happens to you, which you have about a one in three chance, then tell us all what you feel. You have even a better chance of getting diabetes. There are a lot of busses along the way and they all have to miss you.

directfiesta · 08-16-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am very sorry to hear that.

But one heartbreaking case should not make policy.

I am against socialized medicine. It failed miserably in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. Former Eastern European countries have dropped it and are moving to a more western/ capitalist format.

No one, not even the most hardened communist, would want death panels by design. But there is no way to avoid them. Universal health care will so overwhelm resources that it will result in government rationing of healthcare. Death Panels are unavoidable.

The current system needs to be fixed, but not by trading big insurance for big brother.

Damn !!!!!

Seems ISRAEL is a socialists/communist country...

How does that make YOU feel :

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Israel's high standard of health services, top-quality medical technology and research, modern hospital facilities and an impressive ratio of physicians to population all contribute to the country's high standard of health today.

The Ministry of Health is responsible for the development of health policy, operation of the nation's public health services and management of the governmental health care budget. The government also owns and operates many of the nation's larger hospitals.
...
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/Mo...istorical%20Pe

MaDalton · 08-16-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am very sorry to hear that.

But one heartbreaking case should not make policy.

I am against socialized medicine. It failed miserably in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. Former Eastern European countries have dropped it and are moving to a more western/ capitalist format.

No one, not even the most hardened communist, would want death panels by design. But there is no way to avoid them. Universal health care will so overwhelm resources that it will result in government rationing of healthcare. Death Panels are unavoidable.

The current system needs to be fixed, but not by trading big insurance for big brother.

you are an ignorant idiot - that's all i can say. ask Paul Markham what he thinks about healthcare in "eastern europe"... i am insured here in Czech Rep. and nearly everything i need is free unless i want something fancy.

has every system flaws? for sure. but mostly EVERY civilized country has a better health care system than the US.

IllTestYourGirls · 08-16-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp

all canadians pay taxes ...

Income tax.

Joshua G · 08-16-2009, 04:42 PM

our system is a whore to wall street, & insurance lobbyists own congress lock stock & barrel. & president Obama has no balls. he campaigned on fighting the lobbyists & special interests. Todays news is he's folding his cards on the public option. What a fucking pussy.

IllTestYourGirls · 08-16-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls

our system is a whore to wall street, & insurance lobbyists own congress lock stock & barrel. & president Obama has no balls. he campaigned on fighting the lobbyists & special interests. Todays news is he's folding his cards on the public option. What a fucking pussy.

Yup. Back room deals with big pharm lobbyists and now taking the public option off the table. Meet the new boss same as the old. This bill was only going to screw the American people, now they are just making sure of it.

Jdoughs · 08-16-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am against socialized medicine. It failed miserably in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. Former Eastern European countries have dropped it and are moving to a more western/ capitalist format.

Fox news much?

It's funny that you don't hear Canadians talking much of failed health care, only Americans.

Go figure.

Joe King · 08-16-2009, 04:50 PM

Cron's Disease can be very bad. My Ex GF had it so I have first hand knowledge. Best wishes to you.

GAMEFINEST · 08-16-2009, 04:52 PM

apply for state health...like medi cal

ottyhotties · 08-16-2009, 04:53 PM

You will be surprised at how many programs and slide scale programs there are based on income. Take a day off and go to the cancer institute at the Washington Hospital; tell them what's going on and find out what programs they have to offer.

My Uncle didn't qualify for Medicaid and had two eye surgeries with no insurance. They did slide scales with him and I think he paid $1200 for what would of been a $10,000 plus procedure. His slide scale medications were about $40 a week on $300-500 drugs.

What tests do they want you to get? Fecal matter and perhaps a biopsy of the growth? I think you can get those tests slide scale somewhere and you'll pay as if it was your co-pay or deductible.

If you're serious about getting these tests and willing to take the time out and investigate hospitals and programs, you will see a doctor and get the tests before you would in Britain or Canada, famously notorious for their long waiting lists.

georgeyw · 08-16-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am very sorry to hear that.

But one heartbreaking case should not make policy.

I am against socialized medicine. It failed miserably in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. Former Eastern European countries have dropped it and are moving to a more western/ capitalist format.

No one, not even the most hardened communist, would want death panels by design. But there is no way to avoid them. Universal health care will so overwhelm resources that it will result in government rationing of healthcare. Death Panels are unavoidable.

The current system needs to be fixed, but not by trading big insurance for big brother.

Speaking out of your ass ? You fucking idiot, you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

Mr. Billy · 08-16-2009, 05:01 PM

I hope this works out for you.

I am for as least some government option in health care.

I really think it is the best way to go.

Deregulation seems to have it's effective limits at times.

ottyhotties · 08-16-2009, 05:15 PM

http://www.needymeds.org/free_clinic...=list&state=dc

If your GFY location is correct then on that page you'll find a good place to start and get in on some sliding scale programs. I'm guessing and I'm not a doctor they'll want to cancer test you with a fecal matter test and you can probably get that accomplished tomorrow or the next day working off that list.

Best of luck!

weekly · 08-16-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ottyhotties

You will be surprised at how many programs and slide scale programs there are based on income. Take a day off and go to the cancer institute at the Washington Hospital; tell them what's going on and find out what programs they have to offer.

My Uncle didn't qualify for Medicaid and had two eye surgeries with no insurance. They did slide scales with him and I think he paid $1200 for what would of been a $10,000 plus procedure. His slide scale medications were about $40 a week on $300-500 drugs.

What tests do they want you to get? Fecal matter and perhaps a biopsy of the growth? I think you can get those tests slide scale somewhere and you'll pay as if it was your co-pay or deductible.

If you're serious about getting these tests and willing to take the time out and investigate hospitals and programs, you will see a doctor and get the tests before you would in Britain or Canada, famously notorious for their long waiting lists.

Wrong. How do you know this? Do you have any idea what triage is? I think you need treatment for an overdose....of Fox News.

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IllTestYourGirls · 08-16-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ottyhotties

http://www.needymeds.org/free_clinic...=list&state=dc

If your GFY location is correct then on that page you'll find a good place to start and get in on some sliding scale programs. I'm guessing and I'm not a doctor they'll want to cancer test you with a fecal matter test and you can probably get that accomplished tomorrow or the next day working off that list.

Best of luck!

good info right there

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Originally Posted by weekly

Wrong. How do you know this? Do you have any idea what triage is? I think you need treatment for an overdose....of Fox News.

What was he wrong about?

weekly · 08-16-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

good info right there

What was he wrong about?

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you will see a doctor and get the tests before you would in Britain or Canada, famously notorious for their long waiting lists.

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ottyhotties · 08-16-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

Wrong. How do you know this? Do you have any idea what triage is? I think you need treatment for an overdose....of Fox News.

If you took time and actually read her description and not jumped into typical knee jerk liberal reactions, you would if I'm understanding her correctly, seen she needs a diagnosis of the growth not triage.

Unlike you I took whatever information she gave and I could understand and pointed her into the direction of solving her problems. I ignored our political differences we might have about universal health coverage and tried to do something about it by linking her to free and sliding scale clinics in her area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage

Care to explain to me how you're applying triage to her situation? Turn off MSNBC, slap that leg and get the thrills out of it, rub off your homosexual hard on for Obama and try to make some sense next time. I'm guessing you're using triage in the sense of emergency care but her description of needing tests doesn't indicate she needs triage in how I imagine you're using the word.

weekly · 08-16-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ottyhotties

If you took time and actually read her description and not jumped into typical knee jerk liberal reactions, you would if I'm understanding her correctly, seen she needs a diagnosis of the growth not triage.

Unlike you I took whatever information she gave and I could understand and pointed her into the direction of solving her problems. I ignored our political differences we might have about universal health coverage and tried to do something about it by linking her to free and sliding scale clinics in her area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage

Care to explain to me how you're applying triage to her situation? Turn off MSNBC, slap that leg and get the thrills out of it, rub off your homosexual hard on for Obama and try to make some sense next time. I'm guessing you're using triage in the sense of emergency care but her description of needing tests doesn't indicate she needs triage in how I imagine you're using the word.

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any system for prioritizing based on available resources, manpower, etc., as in an emergency

If you need it urgently, you get it. I thought that was crystal clear.

GatorB · 08-16-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I am very sorry to hear that.

But one heartbreaking case should not make policy.

I am against socialized medicine. It failed miserably in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. Former Eastern European countries have dropped it and are moving to a more western/ capitalist format.

No one, not even the most hardened communist, would want death panels by design. But there is no way to avoid them. Universal health care will so overwhelm resources that it will result in government rationing of healthcare. Death Panels are unavoidable.

The current system needs to be fixed, but not by trading big insurance for big brother.

Are you that fucking retarded to believe the bullshit the haters are spewing? There are no "death pannels" in any Obama bill if anything we have them NOW. This person is being told to go off and die because they are not profitable for the insurance companies.

if you think the staus quo is ok then you are some new level of retard not yet discovered. even the vast majotiry of the Obama haters ADMIT the current system sucks. You think it's hunky dorry. You make Palin's baby look like Einstien.

People like you deserve to either have yourself or a close love one get very ill. Why? Because then when you totally assfucked by the insurance companies and healthcare industry you will finally see the light. And if it takes someone close to you dying oh fucking well. It a shame you refuse to learn the EASY way and must learn the HARD way. But that the only way haters and retards like you ever learn.

Libertine · 08-16-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ottyhotties

If you took time and actually read her description and not jumped into typical knee jerk liberal reactions, you would if I'm understanding her correctly, seen she needs a diagnosis of the growth not triage.

Unlike you I took whatever information she gave and I could understand and pointed her into the direction of solving her problems. I ignored our political differences we might have about universal health coverage and tried to do something about it by linking her to free and sliding scale clinics in her area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage

Care to explain to me how you're applying triage to her situation? Turn off MSNBC, slap that leg and get the thrills out of it, rub off your homosexual hard on for Obama and try to make some sense next time. I'm guessing you're using triage in the sense of emergency care but her description of needing tests doesn't indicate she needs triage in how I imagine you're using the word.

The statement on waiting lists was where you fucked up.

In countries with UHC, symptoms that are possibly indicative of cancer will get you right to the front of the line. Just like in the US, for that matter.

ottyhotties · 08-16-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by weekly

If you need it urgently, you get it. I thought that was crystal clear.

you clearly don't understand triage or have spent much time in an emergency room. My ex wife had several visits to the emergency room and they treat the pain you come in with, then the doctor comes in (sometimes a nurse) with patient instructions. Those instructions are often to go see your doctor and follow up on this and that suspicion the doctor might have had. A lot of those suspicions and recommendations for more testing found in patient instructions are done to prevent later lawsuits and put the ball back into the patients court.

She went to the emergency room for an infection related to Crohn's disease. The emergency room was tasked in that visit with treating the infection, the emergency room is not tasked to be the primary physician care specialist.

Triage in her visit probably classified her low level in the emergency room and someone coming in with chest pains was high level. She probably had a long wait while they focused on people having chest pains because that is what triage is in a emergency room.

the Shemp · 08-16-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Income tax.

guess what some of the other taxes are used for ?
health care, maybe?

Kingfish · 08-16-2009, 06:29 PM

Waiting list lol? My State here in the US has an insurance program that allows low income people that don?t qualify for Medicaid to purchase medical insurance. I don?t qualify for that program because I make too much, but for those that do the waiting list is currently a year and a half long and growing. If you have a pre-existing condition even with insurance your wait for coverage is 12-18 months. Yeah there are no waiting lists in the U.S. lol what a bunch of idiots. Not to mention if you don?t have insurance your waiting list is indefinite unless you?re immediately in danger of death.

For the guy that posted the links to free clinics if you make more than 40-50k a year forget it. If you need anything that your typical family practice doctor can?t handle is his or her office you will be sent to the emergency room. Then if you aren?t at immediate risk of dying/distress from your illness or disease you will be sent home. IE if you walk in with cancer they will send you home and give you a referral to a specialist (that won?t treat you free) they won?t give you chemo. What is really ass backwards about how it works is if your cancer treatment would only cost 50k and have an 80% success rate they won?t give it to you if you can?t pay, but then when you comeback via ambulance 2-3 years later they will spend millions of dollars extending your miserable life a couple of extra weeks.

weekly · 08-16-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ottyhotties

you clearly don't understand triage or have spent much time in an emergency room. My ex wife had several visits to the emergency room and they treat the pain you come in with, then the doctor comes in (sometimes a nurse) with patient instructions. Those instructions are often to go see your doctor and follow up on this and that suspicion the doctor might have had. A lot of those suspicions and recommendations for more testing found in patient instructions are done to prevent later lawsuits and put the ball back into the patients court.

She went to the emergency room for an infection related to Crohn's disease. The emergency room was tasked in that visit with treating the infection, the emergency room is not tasked to be the primary physician care specialist.

Triage in her visit probably classified her low level in the emergency room and someone coming in with chest pains was high level. She probably had a long wait while they focused on people having chest pains because that is what triage is in a emergency room.

I would guess I have spent way more time in emergeny rooms than you have or prolly ever will. I know exactly what I am saying. You, are treading water. Triage is bigger than emergency rooms. Address the issue, not your personal definition of triage, or go post about something you know about.

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 08-16-2009, 06:44 PM

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PRETTY SURE. In other words, you have no fucking idea. If it happens to you, which you have about a one in three chance, then tell us all what you feel. You have even a better chance of getting diabetes. There are a lot of busses along the way and they all have to miss you.

WTF dude? Did I claim to be an expert on health care plans? Why are you jumping on me? You seem to think that I hold an opinion on this issue which I DO NOT ACTUALLY HOLD.

08-16-2009, 10:27 AM	#1
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,158	Universal Health Care: Why the Current System May Bring My Death from the Big C Earlier this week, my boyfriend and I split. I was two months from getting domestic partner benefits from his company. We were just waiting for the two years of living together mark to qualify. In November I had surgery and they found something alarming, but I did not realize how alarming it was. Without insurance, I never followed up. I ended up in the ER the other night for an infection (related to my Crohn's Disease) that has been raging for months and that never really goes fully away. The doctors asks me how my back is feeling. I'm like WTF!? He said that the growth on my spine has grown and that is indicative of cancer and asked if I followed up with the appropriate tests. I hadn't. No insurance company is required to carry me. I cannot acquire private insurance. I am too successful for state or federal coverage. No hospital has to do anything for me because I have no complaints and do not present with problems related to that. They have to treat your immediate needs. Something that may kill me does not matter...it must be killing me. Everything has to be paid at time of service. I live OK, but I spent the savings that covered a years of living expenses over the last year and a half when I was so sick. Now I get my bills paid each month and have little left over. I depleted my savings. Most people do not have even six months saved up...I did great by having a year's worth...so don't dare bitch about personal responsibility. I have to see a ton of specialists. My father became permanently disabled when he fell 15 feet at work and broke a few dozen bones. He ended up with a worker's comp settlement, disability and social security that equals enough to sustain the modest lifestyle he had before the accident. I have to talk to his lawyer that fast-tracked his social security, and who also specializes in Medicare. The only option at this point appears to be walk away from my house and my income. Move into my fathers basement and not earn more than a few hundred dollars a month. I will then become YOUR burden. Your tax dollars will have to pay for my living expenses and my health expenses. If you are against universal coverage, then I do not feel the least bit bad about you paying for me. The system you are so against is why I may no longer be allowed to be self-sufficient. If you are for universal coverage, thank you for having a heart, caring about your fellow man and I am sorry for being a burden on you. I am hoping that with the serious threat of cancer (the doctor says the growth is what is alarming...the thing itself isn't always harmful if it doesn't grow, but rapid growth like mine is usually never OK), I can get some kind of coverage through the government that I can pay for. If you are against universal coverage, just remember that a lot of people that support themselves are squeezed out by the greedy insurance companies. The poor people already get all of the insurance they need. It is those that are solidly in the middle class that are squeezed out and left to fend for themselves. It's ironic that I may have to stop being successful and mooch off the government to possibly live...rather than just pay for the insurance nobody will take my money for. Please think about me the next time you argue against universal coverage. There are probably millions of me out there. It may be many more months before I even find out if I have cancer rapidly growing in my body. The real "death panels" are the insurance companies. The one's that reject my applications for coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Thanks for reading. I hope I have changed the perception of just one person on GFY. I have argued in this debate often as it was always personal to me. Now it may have become a matter of life or death. I will probably being lying lower than I usually do. This has been the worst week ever with the double whammy of losing the love of my life and being told I may have cancer and then having no way to find out right now. It still hasn't fully sunk in.

08-16-2009, 10:53 AM	#2
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	I am very sorry to hear that. But one heartbreaking case should not make policy. I am against socialized medicine. It failed miserably in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. Former Eastern European countries have dropped it and are moving to a more western/ capitalist format. No one, not even the most hardened communist, would want death panels by design. But there is no way to avoid them. Universal health care will so overwhelm resources that it will result in government rationing of healthcare. Death Panels are unavoidable. The current system needs to be fixed, but not by trading big insurance for big brother. __________________ Boner Money

08-16-2009, 10:56 AM	#3
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	I'm also sorry to hear that. Good luck, epitome. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

08-16-2009, 12:18 PM	#10
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	You can not compare any socialized care of other countries with the way it would be in the US. The US has more illegals than Canada has citizens. And that number will skyrocket if this bill passes. The US has huge military spending, foreign aid programs and a world empire to pay for. Get rid of the huge military spending, foreign aid, world empire and illegal aliens and maybe then the US could have uni health care. __________________

08-16-2009, 12:25 PM	#12
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	30% of Canadians pay no taxes at all http://communities.canada.com/calgar...ax-at-all.aspx 43% of Americans pay no taxes http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4945874.shtml Just think of what will happen when 13% of the population go from GETTING money back to HAVING to pay taxes, in a recession? I wonder if they could afford their homes then..... __________________

08-16-2009, 11:52 AM	#4
badmin Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 71	Sorry to hear it, too. Health insurance is like hedging your bets. It's not a coupon for health care when you need it.

08-16-2009, 02:02 PM	#13
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,158	Thanks everyone. OK, if you do not believe in free insurance, do you at least believe that insurance companies should be required to cover everyone? Even if there is a high risk pool. You know, I'm expensive. I consume a lot of resources. I'll gladly pay $1,000 per month for coverage. BUT somebody has to be required to cover me if I want to pay. That is why the fucking system sucks so bad. These companies get to pick their profit levels. That is not what insurance is. It's a gamble. If you don't want to gamble, don't go in the damn insurance business in the first place. With the re-insurance system, the risks are even lower. Re-insurance is one of the best things out there...but nobody ever really talks about that.

08-16-2009, 02:05 PM	#14
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,158	And I should note... Nobody is really pitching free insurance. The goal is universal coverage. I'll say it again...the deadbeats already have great insurance. It's called Medicaid. Pop a kid out, get food stamps, get welfare, get free insurance. The poor people will get their health care for free with or without this bill. That will never change.

08-16-2009, 02:08 PM	#15
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,158	...and finally, today (as in a little while ago) I've decided to stop feeling sorry for myself and I am on a fucking mission to figure out a workaround. There is a solution to this. I will have to dig hard, but I'll figure something out. I've overcome bigger challenges than this. My self-pity is manifesting into anger and when I am angry, I end up getting what I put my mind to.

08-16-2009, 02:14 PM	#16
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08-16-2009, 03:39 PM	#19
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08-16-2009, 04:05 PM	#22
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08-16-2009, 04:17 PM	#23
Kingfish Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 668	I wish you great luck. I have a somewhat similar experience. I have been self employed for years. My wife left her job. We paid Cobra premiums of approximately$1,800 a month for the full 18 months allowable by law. No company that can legally sell me insurance would offer me a policy at any price, but I make too much to qualify for any state or federal program. I simply don?t go to the doctor because at this point anything they find will become a pre-existing condition that won?t get covered if I ever do get insurance so what?s the point? Like you said and contrary what most people believe they won?t give you free treatment at your local hospital emergency room. If you walk in because you?re in pain, they do x-rays and discover you have cancer they will send you home with some pain pills and tell you to make an appointment with a specialist that you will have to make payment arrangements with before you get treatment. If anything catastrophic ever happens to me I have come to the same conclusion the only thing to do is simply shut down the business, hand my house/cars over to the bank and move in with a relative so I qualify for Medicaid. Nut ball conservatives tell me they don?t want to pay for my health insurance what they don?t realize is because I don?t have any they all ready are and if I get sick not only will they pay my health insurance they will also have to pay to support me and my family because that is the existing system we have. Last edited by Kingfish; 08-16-2009 at 04:19 PM..

08-16-2009, 04:42 PM	#29
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	our system is a whore to wall street, & insurance lobbyists own congress lock stock & barrel. & president Obama has no balls. he campaigned on fighting the lobbyists & special interests. Todays news is he's folding his cards on the public option. What a fucking pussy.

08-16-2009, 04:50 PM	#32
Joe King Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: In the City of Wonder Posts: 613	Cron's Disease can be very bad. My Ex GF had it so I have first hand knowledge. Best wishes to you.

08-16-2009, 04:52 PM	#33
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08-16-2009, 04:53 PM	#34
ottyhotties Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: MI Posts: 188	You will be surprised at how many programs and slide scale programs there are based on income. Take a day off and go to the cancer institute at the Washington Hospital; tell them what's going on and find out what programs they have to offer. My Uncle didn't qualify for Medicaid and had two eye surgeries with no insurance. They did slide scales with him and I think he paid $1200 for what would of been a $10,000 plus procedure. His slide scale medications were about $40 a week on $300-500 drugs. What tests do they want you to get? Fecal matter and perhaps a biopsy of the growth? I think you can get those tests slide scale somewhere and you'll pay as if it was your co-pay or deductible. If you're serious about getting these tests and willing to take the time out and investigate hospitals and programs, you will see a doctor and get the tests before you would in Britain or Canada, famously notorious for their long waiting lists.

08-16-2009, 05:01 PM	#36
Mr. Billy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 467	I hope this works out for you. I am for as least some government option in health care. I really think it is the best way to go. Deregulation seems to have it's effective limits at times. __________________

08-16-2009, 05:15 PM	#37
ottyhotties Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: MI Posts: 188	http://www.needymeds.org/free_clinic...=list&state=dc If your GFY location is correct then on that page you'll find a good place to start and get in on some sliding scale programs. I'm guessing and I'm not a doctor they'll want to cancer test you with a fecal matter test and you can probably get that accomplished tomorrow or the next day working off that list. Best of luck!

08-16-2009, 05:24 PM	#39
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08-16-2009, 06:29 PM	#48
Kingfish Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 668	Waiting list lol? My State here in the US has an insurance program that allows low income people that don?t qualify for Medicaid to purchase medical insurance. I don?t qualify for that program because I make too much, but for those that do the waiting list is currently a year and a half long and growing. If you have a pre-existing condition even with insurance your wait for coverage is 12-18 months. Yeah there are no waiting lists in the U.S. lol what a bunch of idiots. Not to mention if you don?t have insurance your waiting list is indefinite unless you?re immediately in danger of death. For the guy that posted the links to free clinics if you make more than 40-50k a year forget it. If you need anything that your typical family practice doctor can?t handle is his or her office you will be sent to the emergency room. Then if you aren?t at immediate risk of dying/distress from your illness or disease you will be sent home. IE if you walk in with cancer they will send you home and give you a referral to a specialist (that won?t treat you free) they won?t give you chemo. What is really ass backwards about how it works is if your cancer treatment would only cost 50k and have an 80% success rate they won?t give it to you if you can?t pay, but then when you comeback via ambulance 2-3 years later they will spend millions of dollars extending your miserable life a couple of extra weeks.