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DeanCapture · 08-16-2009, 01:33 PM

I want to launch an illegal tube site using a bunch of stolen content from some of the largest and most successful studios in the world. I also want to use some content from smaller producers who are barely making it in this industry. You know, the little guy who works his ass off and spends every last dollar to produce beautiful material...only to have it stolen and used without his permission! Fuck it, I'm an equal opportunity thief! I'll steal from anybody

Which hosting companies need my money so badly that they'll host this site for me? I need a host who'll be happy to juggle all the DMCA notices when they come down the pike. You may even have to hire a full-time attorney because I'll be expecting a lot of paperwork and I'll be too busy counting my money to deal with that shit. By the way, you can just tell the offended party that.... the clip was uploaded by a user and that we had no control over it. We don't want them to think that we actually stole it and loaded it up ourselves - see what I mean?

I need killer support and super fast servers! If yo' baby needs some new shoes, we need to talk! If you barely make enough money to cover your overhead because you are doing things the "legit" way, hit me up! If you are worried that your competition is growing faster then you are, here's your solution!

Together...we can get rich stealing content from other companies and showcasing them on my new tube site.

Ready....set....go

*This post is a joke. Unlike some folks in our industry, I would never steal content from others nor would I knowingly do business with companies that did.

frank7799 · 08-16-2009, 01:35 PM

I provide fraudulent payment solutions and hosting plans as well. So for the right share we are in business.

DeanCapture · 08-16-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by m4yadult

I provide fraudulent payment solutions and hosting plans as well. So for the right share we are in business.

Oh shit - I do like the sound of this. Let's stay in touch

Machete_ · 08-16-2009, 01:43 PM

www.SWIFTCO.NET - youjizz.com (they dont even mind underaged content)
www.REALITYCHECKNETWORK.COM - xvideos.com
www.euroaccess.nl if you are looking for a European partner

www.REALITYCHECKNETWORK.COM is a big player when it comes to forums/tubes sharing illegal content, and they dont mind it one bit, as long as you pay. They are also hosted in the US, so you wont get in to trouble by sending large amounts across the border. They dont even care if you dont reply to the DMCA - just pay they, and they will let you do whatever you wish

DonovanTrent · 08-16-2009, 01:52 PM

Dean, you, and ONLY you, are welcome to steal my content and use it on your tube.

Just make sure you take it down when I DMCA you.

TidalWave · 08-16-2009, 01:54 PM

XVideos.com streams are very very fucking slow... they need more bandwidth or something.

bash · 08-16-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TidalWave

XVideos.com streams are very very fucking slow... they need more bandwidth or something.

Seems as fast as any other shitty tube site to me?

Machete_ · 08-16-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TidalWave

XVideos.com streams are very very fucking slow... they need more bandwidth or something.

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/xvideos.com/

And I dont think they need to buy cheap asian feedertrafic to reach those numbers

katharos · 08-16-2009, 02:26 PM

dean capture is launching an illegal tube site ... strange world we are living in

* edit ... hello my friend

The Duck · 08-16-2009, 02:29 PM

Sad face.

CunningStunt · 08-16-2009, 02:30 PM

Lmfao Dean. In a sad way.

MikeSmoke · 08-16-2009, 02:45 PM

Dean, you know how much I respect you and your work.
But you already made your point in the original post.
Most of us with decent reading comprehension already got it...piling on with another post wasn't necessary.
All I can add is that some of the most decent people I know in this business (including me) are wrestling with a lot of ethical issues these days. (And I'm not talking about outright content theft, CP, or the stuff we would all agree are wrong.)
Ten years ago we could let the people without any ethics go their way, and we could go ours - there was plenty of money for both (more money for them, of course lol).
Now there isn't that huge pot of dough in the middle of the table that anyone can just scoop up anytime they took a few minutes off from partying.
And that's causing people who are completely ethical people to say, "Google can do it. Yahoo can do it. XXX (insert name of ginormous company here) can do it. But I can't, because I'm too ethical?"

I'm not saying anything about specific people, specific decisions, or anything else. And I'm not condoning content theft or anything of that nature (even though the Google not only condones it, but actively practices it.)
I'm just saying that the economy and state of the business has a lot of people rethinking their strong ethical stands on some issues - when the landscape around them has changed almost 180 degrees; and almost every single person around them, big AND small, sees nothing wrong with the things they've always thought were ethically questionable.

Being the one person on a barren desert island sinking slowly into the ocean, holding a flag labelled "ethics," is not likely to ensure long-term survival. I wish it was, but it's not.

If you want to discuss this further, I'd be happy to - but not here. I think you know how to reach me.

I'd say that I hope things are going well for you, but I know they are

tony286 · 08-16-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

Dean, you know how much I respect you and your work.
But you already made your point in the original post.
Most of us with decent reading comprehension already got it...piling on with another post wasn't necessary.
All I can add is that some of the most decent people I know in this business (including me) are wrestling with a lot of ethical issues these days. (And I'm not talking about outright content theft, CP, or the stuff we would all agree are wrong.)
Ten years ago we could let the people without any ethics go their way, and we could go ours - there was plenty of money for both (more money for them, of course lol).
Now there isn't that huge pot of dough in the middle of the table that anyone can just scoop up anytime they took a few minutes off from partying.
And that's causing people who are completely ethical people to say, "Google can do it. Yahoo can do it. XXX (insert name of ginormous company here) can do it. But I can't, because I'm too ethical?"

I'm not saying anything about specific people, specific decisions, or anything else. And I'm not condoning content theft or anything of that nature (even though the Google not only condones it, but actively practices it.)
I'm just saying that the economy and state of the business has a lot of people rethinking their strong ethical stands on some issues - when the landscape around them has changed almost 180 degrees; and almost every single person around them, big AND small, sees nothing wrong with the things they've always thought were ethically questionable.

Being the one person on a barren desert island sinking slowly into the ocean, holding a flag labelled "ethics," is not likely to ensure long-term survival. I wish it was, but it's not.

If you want to discuss this further, I'd be happy to - but not here. I think you know how to reach me.

I'd say that I hope things are going well for you, but I know they are

its not just ethics its smart fucking business. Lets see this is teaching a whole generation paying for porn is stupid and its make porn worth less and less.This used to be a recession proof business the brillant business minds online killed.

MikeSmoke · 08-16-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

its not just ethics its smart fucking business. Lets see this is teaching a whole generation paying for porn is stupid and its make porn worth less and less.This used to be a recession proof business the brillant business minds online killed.

Not arguing with that - just trying to be somewhat realistic.
I've been trying for years to educate the people in my small neck of the woods about this stuff - and even a small fetish community that used to be appreciative of producers' work, now doesn't give two shits about the producers. Even smoking fetish stuff is ending up on torrent sites, file-sharing sites and tubes...and even though I'm the "godfather" of my fetish (other peoples' word, not mine), the people who used to look up to me for guidance are now just laughing at me and my ethics. For the first time ever (and I'm talking years and years and years), my community hub isn't the highest ranked smoking fetish site in Alexa; a sharing site devoted to the smoking fetish is.
Of course we need to find a way to derail the train --- but it's not only left the station, it's halfway to its next destination. And just pretending that we can go on the way we have, without adjusting to the mindset of almost *all* the customers, is a one-way ticket in the wrong direction.
Wish that wasn't the case, but I've been wrestling with this in my own mind for a month now. And it's just the way it is. If, as "the authority figure" in my own small fetish community, I can't have any influence whatsoever on people's behavior --- it's going to take better minds than mine to figure out how to turn the train around, let alone derail it.

BVF · 08-16-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

Now there isn't that huge pot of dough in the middle of the table that anyone can just scoop up anytime they took a few minutes off from partying.
And that's causing people who are completely ethical people to say, "Google can do it. Yahoo can do it. XXX (insert name of ginormous company here) can do it. But I can't, because I'm too ethical?"

Don't you think that maybe that person didn't have any ethics in the first place?......I know for a fact that I have no morals so if shit hits the fan, I already know that I will do what I need to do.

But once you stand up as a person who is an UPSTANDING CITIZEN and full of morals, you look like a hypocritical fool once you show your true colors and let people know that you never gave a fuck in the first place.

mlove · 08-16-2009, 03:42 PM

Shut up and file a DMCA faggot.

Net Money · 08-16-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF

Don't you think that maybe that person didn't have any ethics in the first place?......I know for a fact that I have no morals so if shit hits the fan, I already know that I will do what I need to do.

But once you stand up as a person who is an UPSTANDING CITIZEN and full of morals, you look like a hypocritical fool once you show your true colors and let people know that you never gave a fuck in the first place.

This is the best point of view so far in this or the original mojo post.

tony286 · 08-16-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

Not arguing with that - just trying to be somewhat realistic.
I've been trying for years to educate the people in my small neck of the woods about this stuff - and even a small fetish community that used to be appreciative of producers' work, now doesn't give two shits about the producers. Even smoking fetish stuff is ending up on torrent sites, file-sharing sites and tubes...and even though I'm the "godfather" of my fetish (other peoples' word, not mine), the people who used to look up to me for guidance are now just laughing at me and my ethics. For the first time ever (and I'm talking years and years and years), my community hub isn't the highest ranked smoking fetish site in Alexa; a sharing site devoted to the smoking fetish is.
Of course we need to find a way to derail the train --- but it's not only left the station, it's halfway to its next destination. And just pretending that we can go on the way we have, without adjusting to the mindset of almost *all* the customers, is a one-way ticket in the wrong direction.
Wish that wasn't the case, but I've been wrestling with this in my own mind for a month now. And it's just the way it is. If, as "the authority figure" in my own small fetish community, I can't have any influence whatsoever on people's behavior --- it's going to take better minds than mine to figure out how to turn the train around, let alone derail it.

mainstream news is going to a paysite model. Just because a bunch of people say free is the way to go it doesnt mean they are right. You cant adjust to a free mindset and win. This industry is truly its own worst enemy. it just all makes me sad, there was a gold mine they are killing.

DonovanTrent · 08-16-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

its not just ethics its smart fucking business. Lets see this is teaching a whole generation paying for porn is stupid and its make porn worth less and less.This used to be a recession proof business the brillant business minds online killed.

It wasn't killed by brilliant business minds. It was killed by a second generation made up of two subgroups with different mindsets that, unfortunately, meshed well together:

Subgroup 1 thinks da intarwebs and everything on it should be free because it's just bits and there's no law on teh 1nT3rN3Ts and torrenting is kewl because d00dz get free warez, and
Subgroup 2 wants to go on a scorched earth-style cashgrab and fuck anyone who doesn't like it

Subgroup 1 embraces torrenting and mainstream tube methodology and starts sharing porn. Subgroup 2 sees the traffic numbers it generates and jumps into the fray.

Where the "brillian business minds" come in is when they decide to buy paid ads on Subgroup 2's tube sites to leech off whatever traffic they can, and those that decide to offer services to said Subgroup. That's just reactionary on their part.

That's just how I see it.

tony286 · 08-16-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent

It wasn't killed by brilliant business minds. It was killed by a second generation made up of two subgroups with different mindsets that, unfortunately, meshed well together:

Subgroup 1 thinks da intarwebs and everything on it should be free because it's just bits and there's no law on teh 1nT3rN3Ts and torrenting is kewl because d00dz get free warez, and
Subgroup 2 wants to go on a scorched earth-style cashgrab and fuck anyone who doesn't like it

Subgroup 1 embraces torrenting and mainstream tube methodology and starts sharing porn. Subgroup 2 sees the traffic numbers it generates and jumps into the fray.

Where the "brillian business minds" come in is when they decide to buy paid ads on Subgroup 2's tube sites to leech off whatever traffic they can, and those that decide to offer services to said Subgroup. That's just reactionary on their part.

That's just how I see it.

They arent brillant because brillant people look down the road.

StickyGreen · 08-16-2009, 03:50 PM

I always thought someone somewhere would deal with the illegal tubes but I guess not. They're here to stay... :\

mlove · 08-16-2009, 03:51 PM

Did you guys have threads about winmx and kazaa when they were the big thing?

Mr. Billy · 08-16-2009, 03:52 PM

We really need to get back to a point where there is some ethical leverage in this industry.

It used to be that you could actually bring effective pressure on those who behaved badly. Now nobody seems to notice.

We actually enable the free porn concept by allowing ourselves to be the source of all of the material that we are now complaining about because we allow unrestricted downloading of our material.

I really do think that it is time for the online adult industry to give some recognition to the value of the product we sell. I do not believe we need to allow unrestricted downloading of our product. We forget how strong the urge is in surfers to view our content. They will return to the website to view material that works for them and they will pay for memberships to be able to do so.

In exchange for eliminating the ability to download the content, and in recognition that the customer will need to remain a member of the site on an ongoing basis, membership fees might be adjusted to a reasonable level to make it worthwhile to them to continue visiting the site and to be able to afford to pay for memberships to other sites as well.

I do not know to what extent downloading can be restricted based upon the technologies available, but again, in recognition of the value of our product in the minds of our customers, and their desire to access the content we provide, I think we should certainly give some thought to this concept.

DonovanTrent · 08-16-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Billy

We really need to get back to a point where there is some ethical leverage in this industry.

It used to be that you could actually bring effective pressure on those who behaved badly. Now nobody seems to notice.

We actually enable the free porn concept by allowing ourselves to be the source of all of the material that we are now complaining about because we allow unrestricted downloading of our material.

I really do think that it is time for the online adult industry to give some recognition to the value of the product we sell. I do not believe we need to allow unrestricted downloading of our product. We forget how strong the urge is in surfers to view our content. They will return to the website to view material that works for them and they will pay for memberships to be able to do so.

In exchange for eliminating the ability to download the content, and in recognition that the customer will need to remain a member of the site on an ongoing basis, membership fees might be adjusted to a reasonable level to make it worthwhile to them to continue visiting the site and to be able to afford to pay for memberships to other sites as well.

I do not know to what extent downloading can be restricted based upon the technologies available, but again, in recognition of the value of our product in the minds of our customers, and their desire to access the content we provide, I think we should certainly give some thought to this concept.

I can see some good points in what you're saying here, but remember that the tube problem is not the CUSTOMER'S fault here. I don't blame a guy for going to a tube site to look at free porn -- they aren't looking at it from the seller's side. So restricting downloading may or may not be an effective tool.

Ron2k1 · 08-16-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Billy

We really need to get back to a point where there is some ethical leverage in this industry.

It used to be that you could actually bring effective pressure on those who behaved badly. Now nobody seems to notice.

We actually enable the free porn concept by allowing ourselves to be the source of all of the material that we are now complaining about because we allow unrestricted downloading of our material.

I really do think that it is time for the online adult industry to give some recognition to the value of the product we sell. I do not believe we need to allow unrestricted downloading of our product. We forget how strong the urge is in surfers to view our content. They will return to the website to view material that works for them and they will pay for memberships to be able to do so.

In exchange for eliminating the ability to download the content, and in recognition that the customer will need to remain a member of the site on an ongoing basis, membership fees might be adjusted to a reasonable level to make it worthwhile to them to continue visiting the site and to be able to afford to pay for memberships to other sites as well.

I do not know to what extent downloading can be restricted based upon the technologies available, but again, in recognition of the value of our product in the minds of our customers, and their desire to access the content we provide, I think we should certainly give some thought to this concept.

Welcome to the real world

MikeSmoke · 08-16-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF

Don't you think that maybe that person didn't have any ethics in the first place?......I know for a fact that I have no morals so if shit hits the fan, I already know that I will do what I need to do.

But once you stand up as a person who is an UPSTANDING CITIZEN and full of morals, you look like a hypocritical fool once you show your true colors and let people know that you never gave a fuck in the first place.

Yes, you may look like a hypocritical fool to people who don't bother to read the entire explanation of why you took the action you did, and try to understand it.
That's what makes it so hard for Brad to do what he did - and what is going to make it very hard for me to do what I'm going to do in my small community.

But I think that people who readily admit "I know for a fact that I have no morals" find it hard to believe that others really do --- and that when it comes down to difficult moral decisions, those people with morals sometimes find that in order to survive, they may have to compromise them. You probably also think that Brad's post was to solicit tube business --- and not something that he agonized over for some time before posting, because it was the right thing to do. C'est la vie.

MikeSmoke · 08-16-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mlove

Did you guys have threads about winmx and kazaa when they were the big thing?

I didn't, because they didn't really affect my small corner of the world.
Today's threats are so pervasive, and the mindset of the surfer has changed so much, that they not only affect my small corner of the world, they threaten it.

MikeSmoke · 08-16-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent

It wasn't killed by brilliant business minds. It was killed by a second generation made up of two subgroups with different mindsets that, unfortunately, meshed well together:

Subgroup 1 thinks da intarwebs and everything on it should be free because it's just bits and there's no law on teh 1nT3rN3Ts and torrenting is kewl because d00dz get free warez, and
Subgroup 2 wants to go on a scorched earth-style cashgrab and fuck anyone who doesn't like it

One of the best summaries I've seen yet.

MaDalton · 08-16-2009, 04:19 PM

i am a content producer and even if i do not understand why my clients sometimes decide to give away my product for free i can't tell them to do otherwise. as long everything is according to the license I issue.

Dean - i understand where you are coming from, but when you tell me that you would reject a 20K, 30K or 50K per month production deal cause your client runs tube sites then i have a hard time believing you. and if you really do then you're a better man then i am. cause i wouldn't.

Mr. Billy · 08-16-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent

I can see some good points in what you're saying here, but remember that the tube problem is not the CUSTOMER'S fault here. I don't blame a guy for going to a tube site to look at free porn -- they aren't looking at it from the seller's side. So restricting downloading may or may not be an effective tool.

I'm not blaming the customer here. I do honestly believe that if the industry puts up good content, the customer would be willing to return to the source to view it.

We have come to deny the value of our content, and what a porn site membership can stand for. The membership should be thought of as a valuable commodity. It should also be priced to allow the customer to pay a price that makes him or her feel happy to have it and keep it on a renewing basis.

Of course you will always have those who would wish to download your content, but I think the majority can be made to see the value and excitement that an adult site can give them.

The membership should be thought of as admitting them to the place where they can fulfill a fantasy. If they can download it to their home computer, why do they need to continue a membership?

XXXMovie4M · 08-16-2009, 04:28 PM

i'm in! i can provide dozen of stolen/traded logins to big sites and i have a bunch of asians ready to start ripping content. just let me know how i can cash in on everyone elses hard work

Mr. Billy · 08-16-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M

i'm in! i can provide dozen of stolen/traded logins to big sites and i have a bunch of asians ready to start ripping content. just let me know how i can cash in on everyone elses hard work

Stooopppppppp it! You make me horny when you talk like that.

DonovanTrent · 08-16-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Billy

I'm not blaming the customer here. I do honestly believe that if the industry puts up good content, the customer would be willing to return to the source to view it.

We have come to deny the value of our content, and what a porn site membership can stand for. The membership should be thought of as a valuable commodity. It should also be priced to allow the customer to pay a price that makes him or her feel happy to have it and keep it on a renewing basis.

There are plenty of sites out there with top notch content right now. That content is being ripped off and put up on tube sites (note this detail) in much lower quality than is available on the source cites or DVDs. The people are going to the free place because free trumps quality in a good percentage's minds.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Billy

Of course you will always have those who would wish to download your content, but I think the majority can be made to see the value and excitement that an adult site can give them.

The membership should be thought of as admitting them to the place where they can fulfill a fantasy. If they can download it to their home computer, why do they need to continue a membership?

Because porn surfers always need something new.

BVF · 08-16-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

Yes, you may look like a hypocritical fool to people who don't bother to read the entire explanation of why you took the action you did, and try to understand it.
That's what makes it so hard for Brad to do what he did - and what is going to make it very hard for me to do what I'm going to do in my small community.

But I think that people who readily admit "I know for a fact that I have no morals" find it hard to believe that others really do --- and that when it comes down to difficult moral decisions, those people with morals sometimes find that in order to survive, they may have to compromise them. You probably also think that Brad's post was to solicit tube business --- and not something that he agonized over for some time before posting, because it was the right thing to do. C'est la vie.

Maybe we need to listen to John Edwards whole explanation of why he fathered a child with another woman while his wife has cancer also huh?...I'm sure that if we listened to his jibba jabba, and even if we do understand why John did what he did, somehow we may forget the FACT that he cheated on his wife while at the same time promoting strong family wholesomeness and family values....

You THINKING that I find it hard to believe that others have morals is utter nonsense...You're reading into shit that isn't even there and coming up with your own biased conclusion based on whatever relationship that you may have with Brad.

And I don't CARE what the purpose of Brad's post was....I don't CARE how long he 'agonized' over his decision....And I DO 'understand' why he did what he did...It doesn't make it any less hypocritical or at least ironical. I only call it how I see it....And believe me, I see it how it IS...

Mr. Billy · 08-16-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanTrent

Because porn surfers always need something new.

We cover that with updates.

Of course free trumps paid now in the minds of the surfer. We have helped them think that way.

The best thing that could happen here now that the big companies are encouraging using all of our content for free, would be for us to return to the days where we actually sold memberships and insist upon them for the viewing of our content.

We have simply forgotten that membership can have value in the minds of the customer.

I don't think the big companies will want to give all their content away for free if we no longer do it.

If we know that the customer always wants something new then we simply stop allowing our content to be available on that basis. Thusly degrading the value of the free sites.

StickyGreen · 08-16-2009, 04:47 PM

BVF · 08-16-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF

You THINKING that I find it hard to believe that others have morals is utter nonsense...You're reading into shit that isn't even there and coming up with your own biased conclusion based on whatever relationship that you may have with Brad.

You know, I just made an assumption that you had a relationship with brad due to your FEVERISH pitch of posting trying to kiss his ass....But after a whois search, I see that you are actually hosted with Mojohost, which means you have a conflict of interest, which totally invalidates what you're saying in the first place....If I had seen this before, I wouldn't have even bothered to debate with you.

Next.

Dirty Dane · 08-16-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

*This post is a joke. Unlike some folks in our industry, I would never steal content from others nor would I knowingly do business with companies that did.

I think the last few words sum it up well, what to do - until laws change.

MikeSmoke · 08-16-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF

You know, I just made an assumption that you had a relationship with brad due to your FEVERISH pitch of posting trying to kiss his ass....But after a whois search, I see that you are actually hosted with Mojohost, which means you have a conflict of interest, which totally invalidates what you're saying in the first place....If I had seen this before, I wouldn't have even bothered to debate with you.

Next.

Yes, I've hosted with Brad long before his company was called Mojohost, and no, I'm not trying to kiss his ass.
If you actually read my posts in this and the other thread, you'd have seen that I'm wrestling with a similar sort of dilemma in that I'm the lone, long-time holdout in a niche where people with no ethics are currently kicking the crap out of me - and I've been standing there and letting them kick because of my ethics. I've been trying not to only protect my *own* content, but the content of other producers in my niche - and not even the other producers have taken a stand with me.
So yes, that does lead people to question whether their ethics are going to put them out of business - whether it's worth it, both to themselves and the families they support - and whether they have to compromise their ethics when both the surfers AND the producers have given in to the "public domain" argument I've been fighting for years. And that's why I sympathize with Brad's dilemma and decision, even though I'm unhappy he had to make that decision.
And there's no reason for me to kiss Brad's ass - any more than I'd kiss the ass of Time Warner (who provides my internet service) or AT&T (who provides my phone service). I know people here think there are always hidden agendas and many spend half their time trying to figure them out. I barely pay attention to the "personalities" on GFY and wouldn't recognize 99% of their names - I'm not here to debate with anyone - and when I make a business post, there are no hidden agendas. I'm not a "bro," stopped going to shows several years ago, and am way too old to do anything other than speak my mind honestly.

DonovanTrent · 08-16-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Billy

Of course free trumps paid now in the minds of the surfer. We have helped them think that way.

The best thing that could happen here now that the big companies are encouraging using all of our content for free, would be for us to return to the days where we actually sold memberships and insist upon them for the viewing of our content.

We have simply forgotten that membership can have value in the minds of the customer.

I don't think the big companies will want to give all their content away for free if we no longer do it.

If we know that the customer always wants something new then we simply stop allowing our content to be available on that basis. Thusly degrading the value of the free sites.

You need to stop with the "we we we" stuff. WE have not forgotten the value of a membership, we see it every time a member stops renewing and starts visiting tube sites, instead. And if you ask me, the free content problem started LONNNNNNNG before tube sites ever came into play.

If you're suggesting that all video should be streaming flash only, you should also be aware that it isn't too difficult to hijack that, as well. If that's not what you're talking about, then let us know your solution because I, among others, am all ears.

BVF · 08-17-2009, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

Yes, I've hosted with Brad long before his company was called Mojohost, and no, I'm not trying to kiss his ass.
If you actually read my posts in this and the other thread, you'd have seen that I'm wrestling with a similar sort of dilemma in that I'm the lone, long-time holdout in a niche where people with no ethics are currently kicking the crap out of me - and I've been standing there and letting them kick because of my ethics. I've been trying not to only protect my *own* content, but the content of other producers in my niche - and not even the other producers have taken a stand with me.
So yes, that does lead people to question whether their ethics are going to put them out of business - whether it's worth it, both to themselves and the families they support - and whether they have to compromise their ethics when both the surfers AND the producers have given in to the "public domain" argument I've been fighting for years. And that's why I sympathize with Brad's dilemma and decision, even though I'm unhappy he had to make that decision.
And there's no reason for me to kiss Brad's ass - any more than I'd kiss the ass of Time Warner (who provides my internet service) or AT&T (who provides my phone service). I know people here think there are always hidden agendas and many spend half their time trying to figure them out. I barely pay attention to the "personalities" on GFY and wouldn't recognize 99% of their names - I'm not here to debate with anyone - and when I make a business post, there are no hidden agendas. I'm not a "bro," stopped going to shows several years ago, and am way too old to do anything other than speak my mind honestly.

Well that sounds reasonable.

Iron Fist · 08-17-2009, 05:25 AM

Might want to check MojoHost.... they recently announced that they don't mind tube sites anymore.

BVF · 08-17-2009, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

Might want to check MojoHost.... they recently announced that they don't mind tube sites anymore.

V_RocKs · 08-17-2009, 08:32 AM

This will go on and on until the adult industry pays $100 as an affiliate and $10,000 as a business to create a law team that sues the tubes out of existence or receives money from them or both.

Do you really think the owners of The Pirate Bay are laughing their asses off at lawyers now? Fuck NO! They know if they travel to any country with an extradition treaty they are fucked. They had to pay a large amount of restitution in their own countries court. A court they can't laugh at.

Right now is the time for us to strike back. Team up with mainstream to double whammy these motherfuckers.

Or.. Get two more hookers and some coke and take it one night at a time like you have been doing.

kristin · 08-17-2009, 09:53 AM

Heh, that was funny.

brassmonkey · 08-17-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mlove

Shut up and file a DMCA faggot.

brassmonkey · 08-17-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF

hahaha!!!!!

gideongallery · 08-17-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

I want to launch an illegal tube site using a bunch of stolen content from some of the largest and most successful studios in the world. I also want to use some content from smaller producers who are barely making it in this industry. You know, the little guy who works his ass off and spends every last dollar to produce beautiful material...only to have it stolen and used without his permission! Fuck it, I'm an equal opportunity thief! I'll steal from anybody

Which hosting companies need my money so badly that they'll host this site for me? I need a host who'll be happy to juggle all the DMCA notices when they come down the pike. You may even have to hire a full-time attorney because I'll be expecting a lot of paperwork and I'll be too busy counting my money to deal with that shit. By the way, you can just tell the offended party that.... the clip was uploaded by a user and that we had no control over it. We don't want them to think that we actually stole it and loaded it up ourselves - see what I mean?

I need killer support and super fast servers! If yo' baby needs some new shoes, we need to talk! If you barely make enough money to cover your overhead because you are doing things the "legit" way, hit me up! If you are worried that your competition is growing faster then you are, here's your solution!

Together...we can get rich stealing content from other companies and showcasing them on my new tube site.

Ready....set....go

*This post is a joke. Unlike some folks in our industry, I would never steal content from others nor would I knowingly do business with companies that did.

as long as you poision the traffic pool by selling your content sites that use shady xsale procedures. This little rant is nothing but pot calling the kettle black,

Since you admitted to that.

grumpy · 08-17-2009, 10:25 AM

here we go again,
in the end everything is traded for the green, ethics, everything!

Zorgman · 08-17-2009, 10:25 AM

Make a legal tube site, it's not fucking hard to do. Lots of scripts, lots of sponsors offering 1-6 minute clips. Put it all together and you will see sales.

I have over 130,000 hosted videos on the TEVS central database. Your bandwidth would be so fucking low if you still used 130k videos from this database.

Support the industry that supports you.

08-16-2009, 01:33 PM	#1
DeanCapture Haters & Trolls SUCK! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 9,275	Hosting Illegal Tube Sites ::: I want to launch an illegal tube site using a bunch of stolen content from some of the largest and most successful studios in the world. I also want to use some content from smaller producers who are barely making it in this industry. You know, the little guy who works his ass off and spends every last dollar to produce beautiful material...only to have it stolen and used without his permission! Fuck it, I'm an equal opportunity thief! I'll steal from anybody Which hosting companies need my money so badly that they'll host this site for me? I need a host who'll be happy to juggle all the DMCA notices when they come down the pike. You may even have to hire a full-time attorney because I'll be expecting a lot of paperwork and I'll be too busy counting my money to deal with that shit. By the way, you can just tell the offended party that.... the clip was uploaded by a user and that we had no control over it. We don't want them to think that we actually stole it and loaded it up ourselves - see what I mean? I need killer support and super fast servers! If yo' baby needs some new shoes, we need to talk! If you barely make enough money to cover your overhead because you are doing things the "legit" way, hit me up! If you are worried that your competition is growing faster then you are, here's your solution! Together...we can get rich stealing content from other companies and showcasing them on my new tube site. Ready....set....go *This post is a joke. Unlike some folks in our industry, I would never steal content from others nor would I knowingly do business with companies that did. __________________ Twitter: @DeanCapture Instagram: @TheDeanCapture DeanCapture "at" Gmail.com

08-16-2009, 01:43 PM	#4
Machete_ WINNING! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,579	www.SWIFTCO.NET - youjizz.com (they dont even mind underaged content) www.REALITYCHECKNETWORK.COM - xvideos.com www.euroaccess.nl if you are looking for a European partner www.REALITYCHECKNETWORK.COM is a big player when it comes to forums/tubes sharing illegal content, and they dont mind it one bit, as long as you pay. They are also hosted in the US, so you wont get in to trouble by sending large amounts across the border. They dont even care if you dont reply to the DMCA - just pay they, and they will let you do whatever you wish Last edited by Machete_; 08-16-2009 at 01:44 PM..

08-16-2009, 01:52 PM	#5
DonovanTrent Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 968	Dean, you, and ONLY you, are welcome to steal my content and use it on your tube. Just make sure you take it down when I DMCA you. __________________ Donovan Trent

08-16-2009, 01:54 PM	#6
TidalWave Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,706	XVideos.com streams are very very fucking slow... they need more bandwidth or something. __________________ www.SwiftNode.com

08-16-2009, 02:29 PM	#10
The Duck Adult Content Provider Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 18,243	Sad face. __________________ Skype Horusmaia ICQ 41555245 Email [email protected]

08-16-2009, 01:35 PM	#2
frank7799 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In the middle of nowhere... Posts: 1,974	I provide fraudulent payment solutions and hosting plans as well. So for the right share we are in business.

08-16-2009, 02:26 PM	#9
katharos So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,515	dean capture is launching an illegal tube site ... strange world we are living in * edit ... hello my friend

08-16-2009, 02:30 PM	#11
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	Lmfao Dean. In a sad way.

08-16-2009, 02:45 PM	#12
MikeSmoke Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 3,233	Dean, you know how much I respect you and your work. But you already made your point in the original post. Most of us with decent reading comprehension already got it...piling on with another post wasn't necessary. All I can add is that some of the most decent people I know in this business (including me) are wrestling with a lot of ethical issues these days. (And I'm not talking about outright content theft, CP, or the stuff we would all agree are wrong.) Ten years ago we could let the people without any ethics go their way, and we could go ours - there was plenty of money for both (more money for them, of course lol). Now there isn't that huge pot of dough in the middle of the table that anyone can just scoop up anytime they took a few minutes off from partying. And that's causing people who are completely ethical people to say, "Google can do it. Yahoo can do it. XXX (insert name of ginormous company here) can do it. But I can't, because I'm too ethical?" I'm not saying anything about specific people, specific decisions, or anything else. And I'm not condoning content theft or anything of that nature (even though the Google not only condones it, but actively practices it.) I'm just saying that the economy and state of the business has a lot of people rethinking their strong ethical stands on some issues - when the landscape around them has changed almost 180 degrees; and almost every single person around them, big AND small, sees nothing wrong with the things they've always thought were ethically questionable. Being the one person on a barren desert island sinking slowly into the ocean, holding a flag labelled "ethics," is not likely to ensure long-term survival. I wish it was, but it's not. If you want to discuss this further, I'd be happy to - but not here. I think you know how to reach me. I'd say that I hope things are going well for you, but I know they are __________________ icq: 541-739-92

08-16-2009, 03:42 PM	#16
mlove the guy Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 764	Shut up and file a DMCA faggot. __________________ If you won't feel as good, I won't feel as cheap.

08-16-2009, 03:50 PM	#21
StickyGreen . Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 13,076	I always thought someone somewhere would deal with the illegal tubes but I guess not. They're here to stay... :\ __________________ Refer Cam Girls and Take Home 10% of Everything They Make For Life

08-16-2009, 03:51 PM	#22
mlove the guy Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 764	Did you guys have threads about winmx and kazaa when they were the big thing? __________________ If you won't feel as good, I won't feel as cheap.

08-16-2009, 03:52 PM	#23
Mr. Billy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 467	We really need to get back to a point where there is some ethical leverage in this industry. It used to be that you could actually bring effective pressure on those who behaved badly. Now nobody seems to notice. We actually enable the free porn concept by allowing ourselves to be the source of all of the material that we are now complaining about because we allow unrestricted downloading of our material. I really do think that it is time for the online adult industry to give some recognition to the value of the product we sell. I do not believe we need to allow unrestricted downloading of our product. We forget how strong the urge is in surfers to view our content. They will return to the website to view material that works for them and they will pay for memberships to be able to do so. In exchange for eliminating the ability to download the content, and in recognition that the customer will need to remain a member of the site on an ongoing basis, membership fees might be adjusted to a reasonable level to make it worthwhile to them to continue visiting the site and to be able to afford to pay for memberships to other sites as well. I do not know to what extent downloading can be restricted based upon the technologies available, but again, in recognition of the value of our product in the minds of our customers, and their desire to access the content we provide, I think we should certainly give some thought to this concept. __________________

08-16-2009, 04:19 PM	#29
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,822	i am a content producer and even if i do not understand why my clients sometimes decide to give away my product for free i can't tell them to do otherwise. as long everything is according to the license I issue. Dean - i understand where you are coming from, but when you tell me that you would reject a 20K, 30K or 50K per month production deal cause your client runs tube sites then i have a hard time believing you. and if you really do then you're a better man then i am. cause i wouldn't. __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

08-16-2009, 04:28 PM	#31
XXXMovie4M Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hell Posts: 359	i'm in! i can provide dozen of stolen/traded logins to big sites and i have a bunch of asians ready to start ripping content. just let me know how i can cash in on everyone elses hard work

08-16-2009, 04:47 PM	#36
StickyGreen . Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 13,076	__________________ Refer Cam Girls and Take Home 10% of Everything They Make For Life

08-17-2009, 05:25 AM	#42
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	Might want to check MojoHost.... they recently announced that they don't mind tube sites anymore. __________________ i like waffles

08-17-2009, 08:32 AM	#44
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,406	This will go on and on until the adult industry pays $100 as an affiliate and $10,000 as a business to create a law team that sues the tubes out of existence or receives money from them or both. Do you really think the owners of The Pirate Bay are laughing their asses off at lawyers now? Fuck NO! They know if they travel to any country with an extradition treaty they are fucked. They had to pay a large amount of restitution in their own countries court. A court they can't laugh at. Right now is the time for us to strike back. Team up with mainstream to double whammy these motherfuckers. Or.. Get two more hookers and some coke and take it one night at a time like you have been doing.

08-17-2009, 09:53 AM	#45
kristin GOO! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Back Home : ) Posts: 9,768	Heh, that was funny. __________________ Vacares rules. "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

08-17-2009, 10:25 AM	#49
grumpy Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 9,870	here we go again, in the end everything is traded for the green, ethics, everything! __________________ Don't let greediness blur your vision \| You gotta let some shit slide icq - 441-456-888

08-17-2009, 10:25 AM	#50
Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	Make a legal tube site, it's not fucking hard to do. Lots of scripts, lots of sponsors offering 1-6 minute clips. Put it all together and you will see sales. I have over 130,000 hosted videos on the TEVS central database. Your bandwidth would be so fucking low if you still used 130k videos from this database. Support the industry that supports you. __________________ ---