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Universal Health Care: Why the Current System May Bring My Death from the Big C
Earlier this week, my boyfriend and I split. I was two months from getting domestic partner benefits from his company. We were just waiting for the two years of living together mark to qualify.
In November I had surgery and they found something alarming, but I did not realize how alarming it was. Without insurance, I never followed up. I ended up in the ER the other night for an infection (related to my Crohn's Disease) that has been raging for months and that never really goes fully away. The doctors asks me how my back is feeling. I'm like WTF!? He said that the growth on my spine has grown and that is indicative of cancer and asked if I followed up with the appropriate tests. I hadn't. No insurance company is required to carry me. I cannot acquire private insurance. I am too successful for state or federal coverage. No hospital has to do anything for me because I have no complaints and do not present with problems related to that. They have to treat your immediate needs. Something that may kill me does not matter...it must be killing me. Everything has to be paid at time of service. I live OK, but I spent the savings that covered a years of living expenses over the last year and a half when I was so sick. Now I get my bills paid each month and have little left over. I depleted my savings. Most people do not have even six months saved up...I did great by having a year's worth...so don't dare bitch about personal responsibility. I have to see a ton of specialists. My father became permanently disabled when he fell 15 feet at work and broke a few dozen bones. He ended up with a worker's comp settlement, disability and social security that equals enough to sustain the modest lifestyle he had before the accident. I have to talk to his lawyer that fast-tracked his social security, and who also specializes in Medicare. The only option at this point appears to be walk away from my house and my income. Move into my fathers basement and not earn more than a few hundred dollars a month. I will then become YOUR burden. Your tax dollars will have to pay for my living expenses and my health expenses. If you are against universal coverage, then I do not feel the least bit bad about you paying for me. The system you are so against is why I may no longer be allowed to be self-sufficient. If you are for universal coverage, thank you for having a heart, caring about your fellow man and I am sorry for being a burden on you. I am hoping that with the serious threat of cancer (the doctor says the growth is what is alarming...the thing itself isn't always harmful if it doesn't grow, but rapid growth like mine is usually never OK), I can get some kind of coverage through the government that I can pay for. If you are against universal coverage, just remember that a lot of people that support themselves are squeezed out by the greedy insurance companies. The poor people already get all of the insurance they need. It is those that are solidly in the middle class that are squeezed out and left to fend for themselves. It's ironic that I may have to stop being successful and mooch off the government to possibly live...rather than just pay for the insurance nobody will take my money for. Please think about me the next time you argue against universal coverage. There are probably millions of me out there. It may be many more months before I even find out if I have cancer rapidly growing in my body. The real "death panels" are the insurance companies. The one's that reject my applications for coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Thanks for reading. I hope I have changed the perception of just one person on GFY. I have argued in this debate often as it was always personal to me. Now it may have become a matter of life or death. I will probably being lying lower than I usually do. This has been the worst week ever with the double whammy of losing the love of my life and being told I may have cancer and then having no way to find out right now. It still hasn't fully sunk in. |
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I am very sorry to hear that.
But one heartbreaking case should not make policy. I am against socialized medicine. It failed miserably in Canada, the UK, and elsewhere. Former Eastern European countries have dropped it and are moving to a more western/ capitalist format. No one, not even the most hardened communist, would want death panels by design. But there is no way to avoid them. Universal health care will so overwhelm resources that it will result in government rationing of healthcare. Death Panels are unavoidable. The current system needs to be fixed, but not by trading big insurance for big brother.
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I'm also sorry to hear that. Good luck, epitome.
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Sorry to hear it, too. Health insurance is like hedging your bets. It's not a coupon for health care when you need it.
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BTW, my dad is now in the hospital for a prostate intervention that will allow him to lose the " urine bag " ... 2 months ago, he got a melonoma removed and had skin graph on his leg. 2 major heart surgery, one colon cancer operation. Total out of pocket : $ 0.00 Waiting time : - Heart: none, went directly to the operation room. - Melonoma: 2 weeks after didgnostics - Colon cancer : 11 days after diagnostics Yep, it is bad up here ... death panel must have overlooked my dad ....
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“People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the UK, where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless,” firstly hawking is british (the nearest he comes to being american is the accent in his digitised voice) secondly he lives in the uk and thirdly he has treatment under the nhs and this is what he had to say about it. “I wouldn’t be here today if it were not for the NHS,” he said. “I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived.” |
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OP, I'm sorry to hear what you're going through. Do whatever it takes to see a doctor. I am pretty sure there are programs to help cancer patients. Keep calling doctors until you find one that will help you.
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You can not compare any socialized care of other countries with the way it would be in the US.
The US has more illegals than Canada has citizens. And that number will skyrocket if this bill passes. The US has huge military spending, foreign aid programs and a world empire to pay for. Get rid of the huge military spending, foreign aid, world empire and illegal aliens and maybe then the US could have uni health care. ![]()
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30% of Canadians pay no taxes at all
http://communities.canada.com/calgar...ax-at-all.aspx 43% of Americans pay no taxes http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4945874.shtml Just think of what will happen when 13% of the population go from GETTING money back to HAVING to pay taxes, in a recession? I wonder if they could afford their homes then.....
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Thanks everyone.
OK, if you do not believe in free insurance, do you at least believe that insurance companies should be required to cover everyone? Even if there is a high risk pool. You know, I'm expensive. I consume a lot of resources. I'll gladly pay $1,000 per month for coverage. BUT somebody has to be required to cover me if I want to pay. That is why the fucking system sucks so bad. These companies get to pick their profit levels. That is not what insurance is. It's a gamble. If you don't want to gamble, don't go in the damn insurance business in the first place. With the re-insurance system, the risks are even lower. Re-insurance is one of the best things out there...but nobody ever really talks about that. |
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And I should note...
Nobody is really pitching free insurance. The goal is universal coverage. I'll say it again...the deadbeats already have great insurance. It's called Medicaid. Pop a kid out, get food stamps, get welfare, get free insurance. The poor people will get their health care for free with or without this bill. That will never change. |
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...and finally, today (as in a little while ago) I've decided to stop feeling sorry for myself and I am on a fucking mission to figure out a workaround.
There is a solution to this. I will have to dig hard, but I'll figure something out. I've overcome bigger challenges than this. My self-pity is manifesting into anger and when I am angry, I end up getting what I put my mind to. |
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Republicans will happily dance on your grave - then when it happens to them, they will cry like little girls.
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Further more insurance policies should be for 20 years not year by year. Stop the restrictions on buying from another state, give tax breaks to employers and employees that buy coverage. That would drive costs way down.
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That's a really sad post man, the benefits around right now don't help the people who are getting completely fucked right now: Those making enough money to live well, but not enough money to pay the huge medical bills. Having had a baby recently, you realize that the hospital has no problems giving you another mortgage to pay for.
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sorry to hear about this and I wish you the best
insurance is expensive because doctors have become drug pushers and get kicbacks from mri and sleep study centers costing the insurance companies billions a year. doctors who commit this fraud (most) need to be sentenced to life in prison, their fraud is whats not allowing people to get insurance in turn killing them.
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I wish you great luck. I have a somewhat similar experience. I have been self employed for years. My wife left her job. We paid Cobra premiums of approximately$1,800 a month for the full 18 months allowable by law. No company that can legally sell me insurance would offer me a policy at any price, but I make too much to qualify for any state or federal program. I simply don?t go to the doctor because at this point anything they find will become a pre-existing condition that won?t get covered if I ever do get insurance so what?s the point? Like you said and contrary what most people believe they won?t give you free treatment at your local hospital emergency room. If you walk in because you?re in pain, they do x-rays and discover you have cancer they will send you home with some pain pills and tell you to make an appointment with a specialist that you will have to make payment arrangements with before you get treatment.
If anything catastrophic ever happens to me I have come to the same conclusion the only thing to do is simply shut down the business, hand my house/cars over to the bank and move in with a relative so I qualify for Medicaid. Nut ball conservatives tell me they don?t want to pay for my health insurance what they don?t realize is because I don?t have any they all ready are and if I get sick not only will they pay my health insurance they will also have to pay to support me and my family because that is the existing system we have. |
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you are an ignorant idiot - that's all i can say. ask Paul Markham what he thinks about healthcare in "eastern europe"... i am insured here in Czech Rep. and nearly everything i need is free unless i want something fancy. has every system flaws? for sure. but mostly EVERY civilized country has a better health care system than the US.
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our system is a whore to wall street, & insurance lobbyists own congress lock stock & barrel. & president Obama has no balls. he campaigned on fighting the lobbyists & special interests. Todays news is he's folding his cards on the public option. What a fucking pussy.
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It's funny that you don't hear Canadians talking much of failed health care, only Americans. Go figure.
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Cron's Disease can be very bad. My Ex GF had it so I have first hand knowledge. Best wishes to you.
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apply for state health...like medi cal
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You will be surprised at how many programs and slide scale programs there are based on income. Take a day off and go to the cancer institute at the Washington Hospital; tell them what's going on and find out what programs they have to offer.
My Uncle didn't qualify for Medicaid and had two eye surgeries with no insurance. They did slide scales with him and I think he paid $1200 for what would of been a $10,000 plus procedure. His slide scale medications were about $40 a week on $300-500 drugs. What tests do they want you to get? Fecal matter and perhaps a biopsy of the growth? I think you can get those tests slide scale somewhere and you'll pay as if it was your co-pay or deductible. If you're serious about getting these tests and willing to take the time out and investigate hospitals and programs, you will see a doctor and get the tests before you would in Britain or Canada, famously notorious for their long waiting lists. |
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![]() Speaking out of your ass ? You fucking idiot, you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.
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I hope this works out for you.
I am for as least some government option in health care. I really think it is the best way to go. Deregulation seems to have it's effective limits at times. |
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http://www.needymeds.org/free_clinic...=list&state=dc
If your GFY location is correct then on that page you'll find a good place to start and get in on some sliding scale programs. I'm guessing and I'm not a doctor they'll want to cancer test you with a fecal matter test and you can probably get that accomplished tomorrow or the next day working off that list. Best of luck! |
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Rick Simpson has had good results curing cancer with hemp oil. Here is a link to his website.
http://www.phoenixtears.ca/
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Unlike you I took whatever information she gave and I could understand and pointed her into the direction of solving her problems. I ignored our political differences we might have about universal health coverage and tried to do something about it by linking her to free and sliding scale clinics in her area. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage Care to explain to me how you're applying triage to her situation? Turn off MSNBC, slap that leg and get the thrills out of it, rub off your homosexual hard on for Obama and try to make some sense next time. I'm guessing you're using triage in the sense of emergency care but her description of needing tests doesn't indicate she needs triage in how I imagine you're using the word. |
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if you think the staus quo is ok then you are some new level of retard not yet discovered. even the vast majotiry of the Obama haters ADMIT the current system sucks. You think it's hunky dorry. You make Palin's baby look like Einstien. People like you deserve to either have yourself or a close love one get very ill. Why? Because then when you totally assfucked by the insurance companies and healthcare industry you will finally see the light. And if it takes someone close to you dying oh fucking well. It a shame you refuse to learn the EASY way and must learn the HARD way. But that the only way haters and retards like you ever learn. |
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In countries with UHC, symptoms that are possibly indicative of cancer will get you right to the front of the line. Just like in the US, for that matter.
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She went to the emergency room for an infection related to Crohn's disease. The emergency room was tasked in that visit with treating the infection, the emergency room is not tasked to be the primary physician care specialist. Triage in her visit probably classified her low level in the emergency room and someone coming in with chest pains was high level. She probably had a long wait while they focused on people having chest pains because that is what triage is in a emergency room. |
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guess what some of the other taxes are used for ?
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Waiting list lol? My State here in the US has an insurance program that allows low income people that don?t qualify for Medicaid to purchase medical insurance. I don?t qualify for that program because I make too much, but for those that do the waiting list is currently a year and a half long and growing. If you have a pre-existing condition even with insurance your wait for coverage is 12-18 months. Yeah there are no waiting lists in the U.S. lol what a bunch of idiots. Not to mention if you don?t have insurance your waiting list is indefinite unless you?re immediately in danger of death.
For the guy that posted the links to free clinics if you make more than 40-50k a year forget it. If you need anything that your typical family practice doctor can?t handle is his or her office you will be sent to the emergency room. Then if you aren?t at immediate risk of dying/distress from your illness or disease you will be sent home. IE if you walk in with cancer they will send you home and give you a referral to a specialist (that won?t treat you free) they won?t give you chemo. What is really ass backwards about how it works is if your cancer treatment would only cost 50k and have an 80% success rate they won?t give it to you if you can?t pay, but then when you comeback via ambulance 2-3 years later they will spend millions of dollars extending your miserable life a couple of extra weeks. |
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