BREAKING NEWS - Democrats Say FUCK U to Republicans!

[TheSenator]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Shit is going down right now!


OBama is making a major move.

[Agent 488]

don't know why they bothered with bi-partisan bs anyway.

[BFT3K]

Fuck bipartisanship! It's clear the GOP is never going to agree to ANYTHING!

Hopefully enough Dems can unite, and introduce some REAL healthcare reform, after years of allowing the insurance companies to run the show!

[SoloGirlsContent]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Fuck bipartisanship! It's clear the GOP is never going to agree to ANYTHING!

Hopefully enough Dems can unite, and introduce some REAL healthcare reform, after years of allowing the insurance companies to run the show!

HELL YEA

[crowkid]

wow, they just wont listen to the American people. Nobody wants this shitty government-run healthcare and they keep forcing it down our throats. Obama just hit a new low in his approval rating according to Gallop poll. I say let them keep pushing for something a majority of Americans don't want, let them keep digging that hole, lol. The only reason some of you are for this(and you really ARENT, when i think of all the fatcats in here who vote democrat, but when the shit hits the fan they'd never settle to be like millions of normal americans and actually wait for in a line for some shitty doctor appointed by the government to take care of them!) healthcare is because it's considered a loss to your Dear Leader if this fails. I'm glad some Democrats have the cojones to call this disaster out for what it really is. It's nice to agree with some on the other side once and awhile, especially about who will take care of us when we eventually grow old and wither.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by crowkid

wow, they just wont listen to the American people. Nobody wants this shitty government-run healthcare and they keep forcing it down our throats. Obama just hit a new low in his approval rating according to Gallop poll. I say let them keep pushing for something a majority of Americans don't want, let them keep digging that hole, lol. The only reason some of you are for this(and you really ARENT, when i think of all the fatcats in here who vote democrat, but when the shit hits the fan they'd never settle to be like millions of normal americans and actually wait for in a line for some shitty doctor appointed by the government to take care of them!) healthcare is because it's considered a loss to your Dear Leader if this fails. I'm glad some Democrats have the cojones to call this disaster out for what it really is. It's nice to agree with some on the other side once and awhile, especially about who will take care of us when we eventually grow old and wither.

the majority of people who voted for him have a solid history of making bad choices in life, the rest explains itself.

no doubt health care is fucked but many do not understand that this is something drug companies are pushing for, imagine 50 million more potential drug users

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by crowkid

wow, they just wont listen to the American people.

They ARE listening to the American people! Who was voted in? What campaign promises did he run on? Health care reform was a biggie, and now it may actually happen. Sorry big insurance companies.... adapt or die mutherfuckers!

[crowkid]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

They ARE listening to the American people! Who was voted in? What campaign promises did he run on? Health care reform was a biggie, and now it may actually happen. Sorry big insurance companies.... adapt or die mutherfuckers!

Like I said I'm all for the other side pushing this. I hope the Democratic leadership continues to label people who question a bill no ones even read "Nazis". I'm enjoying this. and no, I don't believe you would jump for joy once you become sick or very old to wait in line for a shitty government doctor; you've already been to the DMV. So I mean obviously you're a big supporter of the guy, I'm happy for you, I see you don't want him to fail. But this is a battle he won't win and if they keep fighting for this, the Republicans have the edge on this issue when you consider the majority of Americans voice the same opinions that the Republicans do which is : Yes, government-run institutions are a nightmare and most of the time don't work, government get the hell out of our way.

[crowkid]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

the majority of people who voted for him have a solid history of making bad choices in life, the rest explains itself.

no doubt health care is fucked but many do not understand that this is something drug companies are pushing for, imagine 50 million more potential drug users

By bad choices do you mean not ever holding a job and saying "Gimme gimme gimme, free free free!" all their life?

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by crowkid

By bad choices do you mean not ever holding a job and saying "Gimme gimme gimme, free free free!" all their life?

exactly in addition look at the demographics that supported him and look at the choices they make in other things in life personal or business.

[onwebcam]

"I think private insurers should be able to compete. They do it all the time. I mean, if you think about, if you think about it, um, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. Right? The, uh, no they are. I mean, it's the post office that's always having problems." Obama

[Mr. Billy]

It is a public option in addition to the private options. It will allow you to remain in any healthcare coverage situation that you have now if you choose to.

It is not government healthcare for all. It is an additional choice in the system and it can bring in competition that will force private health insurers to behave responsibly with regard to managing costs and actually treating their customers right to retain them.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Long lines at the DMV, bankrupt blue states, bankrupt Medicare, bankrupt Medicaid, bankrupt Social Security...

...and now government is gonna do a great job with our health care?!

Are you out of your frickin' mind?!!

Fuck You Statists!

[Mr. Billy]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

no doubt health care is fucked but many do not understand that this is something drug companies are pushing for, imagine 50 million more potential drug users

Ohhhhh yeah, while their trade organizations work quietly in the background organizing against it, sending noisy people to town hall meetings to shout it down pouring millions of dollars into media advertising against it while pretending to be private citizens just like you.

The drug companies do not want to have to moderate their prices for anything.

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by crowkid

Like I said I'm all for the other side pushing this. I hope the Democratic leadership continues to label people who question a bill no ones even read "Nazis". I'm enjoying this. and no, I don't believe you would jump for joy once you become sick or very old to wait in line for a shitty government doctor; you've already been to the DMV. So I mean obviously you're a big supporter of the guy, I'm happy for you, I see you don't want him to fail. But this is a battle he won't win and if they keep fighting for this, the Republicans have the edge on this issue when you consider the majority of Americans voice the same opinions that the Republicans do which is : Yes, government-run institutions are a nightmare and most of the time don't work, government get the hell out of our way.

I see where you are coming from with "the government can't run shit" point of view. You believe this because it has been fed to you over a long time through high level marketing. There is a whole faction of people who believe government can't do anything right. If you put shitty people like BUSH in office, then you get a shitty government. Example...Bush appointed Micheal Brown(11 years overseeing horse trial judges and stewards for the Arabian Horse Association) head of FEMA. BUSH did this all over the government making it shitty. When you have the right people in government that believe government is for the people then you get better results.

Your hate for any thing government is insulting to many people who put their lives on the line everyday. Next time you get assaulted make sure to go to your private police department. Next time your house is on fire refuse the fire department help and call your private fire department....

Next time you are on the highway, get the off and go on your private road.

Government works if you make it work.

[mynameisjim]

For those of you against healthcare reform, what are your suggestions because the current system is unsustainable.

1) Insurance companies keep shifting the cost to policy holders. It's the only way for them to make more and more money each quarter. They have to pay for less and less services. This is not going to change. Insurance companies are just like any other company, they have to work the numbers every quarter to meet or beat wall street estimates.

2) Medical care keeps going up faster than inflation or wages. Unlike technology, medical care is always going up, it never goes down.

How do you suggest those two issues be reconciled so that more people can be insured and the people that are insured, can have better care?

exactly in addition look at the demographics that supported him and look at the choices they make in other things in life personal or business.

Yes, those idiot losers like the co-founder of Google.

[onwebcam]

This health care business is a complete scam. The Obama money machine is already broke so he needs for "We the People" to fork over more cash to float his agenda along. Did you ever ask yourself why this public "funded" option doesn't even begin until after the next election? They say it will take time to get it going. Well it only took Medicare 11 months to get rolling and they didn't have anywhere close to the technology we have now. And that's if not a disguise to bail out the insurance industry which i likely is. I'd make a bet we'll be bailing out more than AIG before too long.

[BFT3K]

I DARE a Republican to propose a bill to eliminate Medicare. It's been around 44 years now, and as much as it is constantly labeled as a bad idea by the right-wingers, they know it would be political suicide to EVER propose a plan to eliminate it!

Why? Because the majority of Americans are not corporate shills, and they actually benefit greatly from this government run program.

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Long lines at the DMV, bankrupt blue states, bankrupt Medicare, bankrupt Medicaid, bankrupt Social Security...

...and now government is gonna do a great job with our health care?!

Are you out of your frickin' mind?!!

Fuck You Statists!

DMV runs pretty smoothly NJ. Your state must suck.

Medicare works better than private insurance.

Medicaid needs help,,,,thats another issue.

Social Security needs help....

"Government is the problem" came from Reagan and conservative minions. Less government meant less regulation and see where that has lead us....
All for the almighty buck.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by crowkid

.....you've already been to the DMV.....

Come to think of it, I have been to the DMV. And I was stunned.

It was very large, had over 100 windows, and most of them were staffed. I walked up the front desk, got a ticket, and two minutes later I was standing in front of one of those windows getting my problem resolved.

Come to think of it, I was in and out of DMV a lot quicker than I was even admitted into the ER the last time I went.

[BFT3K]

The Republicans just keep playing the same card over and over again, and the dimwitted, gun carrying, cross burning, flag wavers, just keep eating it up...

BE AFRAID! - BE VERY AFRAID!



https://youtube.com/watch?v=nfCqLQyAR9w

[gwidomains]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Come to think of it, I have been to the DMV. And I was stunned.

It was very large, had over 100 windows, and most of them were staffed. I walked up the front desk, got a ticket, and two minutes later I was standing in front of one of those windows getting my problem resolved.

Come to think of it, I was in and out of DMV a lot quicker than I was even admitted into the ER the last time I went.

Basically, a lot of "anti" information in this thread is pure non-sense. I find it particularly hilarious given:

1.) Republicans under Bush passed the prescription drug care benefit a trillion dollar un-funded program.

2.) Medicare and VA are geninue real government run health care, have huge satisfaction rates, and "oddly" are not voted against by the "government can't run anything" crowd.

3.) the same crowd has no issues with defense spending -- something that is truly dragging down GDP spending and those yelling "statist" and what not have no problems with, and ignore.

4.) the people receiving the largest give-aways from both Bush and Obama have been Investment Bankers, Hedge Funds, Private Equity folks not the poor -- so please [bold] STFU [/bold] about people making bad decisions and being rewarded that's absolute bullshit.

Let's not forget the Fed Reserve basically GIVING away billion dollar profits to IBers.
And then accepting lower than market rates on the shitty CDO products.

Lastly to say the government can't get anything right -- as I recall the government has done a pretty good job of fostering the growth and development of the Internet, and for the most part prevented any one corporate entity from monopolistic behavior without choking commercial growth.

[SL|M!]

Originally Posted by crowkid

Like I said I'm all for the other side pushing this. I hope the Democratic leadership continues to label people who question a bill no ones even read "Nazis". I'm enjoying this. and no, I don't believe you would jump for joy once you become sick or very old to wait in line for a shitty government doctor; you've already been to the DMV. So I mean obviously you're a big supporter of the guy, I'm happy for you, I see you don't want him to fail. But this is a battle he won't win and if they keep fighting for this, the Republicans have the edge on this issue when you consider the majority of Americans voice the same opinions that the Republicans do which is : Yes, government-run institutions are a nightmare and most of the time don't work, government get the hell out of our way.

yet the shitty govt u talk about runs the best army in the world

[gwidomains]

Oh yeah, in California it was "Mr. Conservative" Ronald Reagan himself that banned people from bringing licensed and LEGAL guns to political rallies with the Mulford Act.

[mynameisjim]

The DMV and Post Office examples are totally false.

Generally speaking, the DMV operates pretty smoothly. I've never had them screw anything up of mine and I can get in and out when I need to renew my license within an hour. If you actually sit in a DMV, the biggest problem is the customers who show up not knowing what they are suppose to do, coming in with improper or incomplete paperwork, or not understanding the procedures. If you show up to the teller with all your paperwork in order, you are out the door very quickly.

As for the post office. How often is your mail missing or a check doesn't arrive? Almost never. If the Post Office was so terrible you would see countless threads on GFY asking "where's my check" but the old adage of something being lost in the mail is used by people who never sent the check to begin with. Considering the billions (over 200 billion) pieces of mail they handle each year, the failure rate is very low. I've had UPS and Fedex screw up more packages than the Post Office and I get way more stuff via the mail. Not to mention, the post office ran a balanced budget as recently as 2005 so a huge government agency can run successfully and not lose money.

[TheSenator]

Oppss.... We start stating FACTS!

The Republican/Conservatives/ anti government crowd are now confused.

Default reactions coming......

[onlymovies]

I guess the question is, who do you want between you and your doctor?

- a corporation: who can tell you to fuck off and deny you coverage whenever they feel even though you paid for years.

- a government: needs no introduction..it's just fucked.

Both are just so fucked.

[MovieMaster]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

The Republicans just keep playing the same card over and over again, and the dimwitted, gun carrying, cross burning, flag wavers, just keep eating it up...

BE AFRAID! - BE VERY AFRAID!



https://youtube.com/watch?v=nfCqLQyAR9w

Great reagan clip!

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by onlymovies

I guess the question is, who do you want between you and your doctor?

- a corporation: who can tell you to fuck off and deny you coverage whenever they feel even though you paid for years.

- a government: needs no introduction..it's just fucked.

Both are just so fucked.

A corporation is for profit.

Government is not for profit.

[onwebcam]

Thousands of surgeries may be cut in Metro Vancouver due to government underfunding, leaked paper
http://www.vancouversun.com/story_pr...878506&sponsor

Overhauling health-care system tops agenda at annual meeting of Canada's doctors

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press

http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...335rGu_Z3KXoQw

[Redrob]

Either way, it is all about the money...

I don't expect to see any savings in the forseeable future for health care.

Fuck the Republicans; AND, Fuck the Democrats.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Government is not for profit.

Obama will make sure of that.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

A corporation is for profit.

Government is not for profit.

Please make your way over to www.dnb.com in the "Find a Company" box enter "Obama, Bush, sentate, congress, or whatever you choose) Select: District of Columbia and enter They are all corporate for profit entities. Have fun.

GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES
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EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT
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[gwidomains]

Originally Posted by onlymovies

I guess the question is, who do you want between you and your doctor?

- a corporation: who can tell you to fuck off and deny you coverage whenever they feel even though you paid for years.

- a government: needs no introduction..it's just fucked.

Both are just so fucked.

Points for consistency, but it is not accurate. Medicare and VA receive high marks.

Congressional membership "complaining" about health care like Charles Grassley love their benefits that we tax payers pay for. I'm waiting for Grassley and others to refuse their health plans and pensions, something tells me not to hold my breath.

Politicians on all sides soak up public AND private money (their bullshit campaigns and 527 groups). Even Ronnie St. Paul employs his progeny at exhorbant rates to benefit from the millions he raises.

It's all bullshit.

[MovieMaster]

Democrats go it alone, they are essentially dead in 2010... But if this is what they want to push as a political goal they better go for it now or never because it wont happen later in the term. If he plans on taking on immigration, if you thought health care was hairy... get ready to duck and cover!

[DateDoc]

If the current proposed healthcare passes it will be the nail in Obama's coffin as president. I always thought whoever was elected after Bush would be a one term president just because the mess was so great that no one could fix it and the public would become disgruntled. If McCain had won he'd be a one term president too.

Healthcare is a huge issue and it is getting way too messy. There are two things that will work. Revamp our privatized system where there are limits on liability so doctors can get insurance at a fair rate thus reducing the cost of insurance or a complete and utter turnover of healthcare to the government where we have a socialized system.

For me either will be fine as long as every US citizen and legal resident alien can get affordable healthcare that is of the utmost quality.

[gwidomains]

Originally Posted by DateDoc

If the current proposed healthcare passes it will be the nail in Obama's coffin as president. I always thought whoever was elected after Bush would be a one term president just because the mess was so great that no one could fix it and the public would become disgruntled. If McCain had won he'd be a one term president too.

Healthcare is a huge issue and it is getting way too messy. There are two things that will work. Revamp our privatized system where there are limits on liability so doctors can get insurance at a fair rate thus reducing the cost of insurance or a complete and utter turnover of healthcare to the government where we have a socialized system.

For me either will be fine as long as every US citizen and legal resident alien can get affordable healthcare that is of the utmost quality.

Wow, when you going to start your hedge fund?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by MovieMaster

Democrats go it alone, they are essentially dead in 2010... But if this is what they want to push as a political goal they better go for it now or never because it wont happen later in the term. If he plans on taking on immigration, if you thought health care was hairy... get ready to duck and cover!

Immigration won't happen. He is already hinting at that.

[hypedough]

Hey, at least he grew some balls and is saying fuck it.

[DateDoc]

Originally Posted by gwidomains

Wow, when you going to start your hedge fund?

If you can't get what will work and what will not that is your deal. The proposed plan leaves millions of ppl without healthcare. All I am saying is if you are going to do it you have to go all in.

[billyb]

I would not gloat if I was on the left regarding this issue. It still has to get 60 votes in the Senate, they don't have the votes there. They would have to go with a nuclear option and that would make the Senate a war zone for many years.

I know polls are a snap shot in time, but for months now, the polls all say the American people don't want this at all. It's funny!, that no one on the left said anyone who was protesting against Bush's policies were paid to be there.

The left does not understand that they have lost the independents on this issuse. As many have said, if the Democrats try and ram this through. They are done as a party for years to come. The independents are finally seeing the the Democrats are truly for big government.

This does not let the Republicans off the hook here, they fucked! up big time. I would wait to see how this plays, you have to remember, that most blue dog Democrats won in Red states. They push this through they are done.

Who ever is on the left is not paying attention, this will be a revist of the 1994 elections. You have wokeing up the middle of the country and if you continue this, you will never get them back.

Whoever thinks that you can compete against an entity (the government), who can print their own money and not worry about making a profit, is smoking some good shit!.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by hypedough

Hey, at least he grew some balls and is saying fuck it.

If you are talking to me, I appreciate his candor.

[gwidomains]

Originally Posted by DateDoc

If you can't get what will work and what will not that is your deal. The proposed plan leaves millions of ppl without healthcare. All I am saying is if you are going to do it you have to go all in.

If you don't know your own limitations, a lot is lost in life.

When people consistently get material facts wrong, then claim to predict the future, well everyone is an expert on the Internet.

[gwidomains]

Originally Posted by billyb

I would not gloat if I was on the left regarding this issue. It still has to get 60 votes in the Senate, they don't have the votes there. They would have to go with a nuclear option and that would make the Senate a war zone for many years.

I know polls are a snap shot in time, but for months now, the polls all say the American people don't want this at all. It's funny!, that no one on the left said anyone who was protesting against Bush's policies were paid to be there.

The left does not understand that they have lost the independents on this issuse. As many have said, if the Democrats try and ram this through. They are done as a party for years to come. The independents are finally seeing the the Democrats are truly for big government.

This does not let the Republicans off the hook here, they fucked! up big time. I would wait to see how this plays, you have to remember, that most blue dog Democrats won in Red states. They push this through they are done.

Who ever is on the left is not paying attention, this will be a revist of the 1994 elections. You have wokeing up the middle of the country and if you continue this, you will never get them back.

Whoever thinks that you can compete against an entity (the government), who can print their own money and not worry about making a profit, is smoking some good shit!.

No actually it doesn't need 60 votes, it only needs 51 using budget reconcilation.
Facts are pesky things.

[DateDoc]

Originally Posted by gwidomains

If you don't know your own limitations, a lot is lost in life.

When people consistently get material facts wrong, then claim to predict the future, well everyone is an expert on the Internet.

Ok, lets go with the proposed healthcare plan then when it does not work we will see who was right. Balls in your court. Push it through and live with the consequences. Either way I am covered and have no worries for me.

[billyb]

NO wrong again, it needs 60 votes in the Senate. If they only get 51, any piece of the passed legislation can be voted out in another bill. This is why they need to get 60, man there is a reason they always want the 60 and this is the reason for it.

[billyb]

OH!, and I forgot that 60 votes in needed to stop debate. Which means this or any other bill can still be fillibustered. Remember you guy's can't count on Kennedy or even Byrd. Byrd is actually against this process of high jacking the Senate.

So you really only have if you add up all the real votes in the Senate, about 54 votes. You won't get any southern Democrats to vote for this. To be honest I am for things to be passed by 51 votes, but you must not remember that Bush had more than 51 Republican Senators, but still would not pull the trigger on the nuclear option.

[gwidomains]

Originally Posted by DateDoc

Ok, lets go with the proposed healthcare plan then when it does not work we will see who was right. Balls in your court. Push it through and live with the consequences. Either way I am covered and have no worries for me.

Describe the "proposed plan," you must know something that President Obama and Congress do not.

There is no single "plan."

There are a number of different proposals in the House and Senate, but nothing has come out of Bacus' committee in the Senate yet.

As a result your scenario breaks down at several different points, if the "ball's in my court" it's only due to "service fault."

[DateDoc]

Originally Posted by gwidomains

Describe the "proposed plan," you must know something that President Obama and Congress do not.

There is no single "plan."

There are a number of different proposals in the House and Senate, but nothing has come out of Bacus' committee in the Senate yet.

As a result your scenario breaks down at several different points, if the "ball's in my court" it's only due to "service fault."

If you want to go ahead and dig through the proposed plans and see who is covered and who is not you will see that all of the proposals do not cover every US citizen and legal resident alien. All I am saying is make sure everyone is covered or rework what we have and make it affordable. Either is fine with me but having a system that leaves people without healthcare is not acceptable.

[Rangermoore]

It's all Bush's fault