25% rebill rate - good?

[slapass]

I noticed that I have a few new revshares and they seem to be rebilling at about 25%. That struck me as low. What do you guys think?

To be clear, they purchased one month and now are rebilling for the first time. I have not built up any rebills.

[andrej_NDC]

Not good, not horrible. 35-50% is good.

[aniloscash]

how often do those sites update? do they provide anything unique. How is the quality?

[ladida]

It's bad.

[smutnut]

Better than 24, though not as good as 26.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by aniloscash

how often do those sites update? do they provide anything unique. How is the quality?

I know affiliate programs might be aghast at this but I have no idea and not really sure i care. The key is how much I make. Some sites are so niche specific or they do some magical thing that increases retention. I do not know that I would be able to spot that by going through their members area. So i try to find sites that convert up front and then see if they retain well enough to make a decent PPS amount.

[Miguel]

50% is good I think

[Dirty D]

Originally Posted by slapass

To be clear, they purchased one month and now are rebilling for the first time. I have not built up any rebills.

Less than 60 days is not enough time to determine a rebill rate.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Dirty D

Less than 60 days is not enough time to determine a rebill rate.

Well it is the only way to do it as once I am deeping into to sending traffic I have to worry about rebills from previous sales in the stats and no way to know where they came from.

[CaptainWolfy]

not good, i am doing 60-70% ... with rebills..

[Webmaster Advertising]

We are rebilling at 66.67% with some of our more popular sites i havent been in the biz long enough to know if that is good or not but im guessing it is a little bit low $0.02

[andrej_NDC]

Originally Posted by empty1987

not good, i am doing 60-70% ... with rebills..

I don't believe anyone is doing that good. On many sales, on few sales a day maybe, but nobody has a retention of 70% on 100s sales a day.

[MediaGuy]

Give it more time. One month/rebill isn't enough.

:D

[Phallus Fondue]

i would be very rich and has happy as hell if my site or those i promoted over the years rebilled at 60-70%. i would be super happy if they also averaged 50%. my experience with my own site as well as around 40 other revenue sharing sites has shown me that 30-40 is pretty damn good with 40 being pretty high.

[Qbert]

My rebills as a percentage of new recurring sales consistently runs over 80%. For the three months that ended 7/31 it was 109%.

[GrouchyAdmin]

There's a hell of a lot to take into consideration:

1) Your traffic - and your promotionals.
2) The content - some stuff retains, some doesn't.
3) The program - how well do they support the surfer? Do they have a 24/7 support line, or are they just another turnkey ccbill built in 1997 and abandoned?

There's a lot more, but as you said, you haven't built anything up so your data's pretty damn worthless.

[Webmaster Advertising]

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

I don't believe anyone is doing that good. On many sales, on few sales a day maybe, but nobody has a retention of 70% on 100s sales a day.

I asked about this earlier and was told that isnt the case a lot of micro niche sites have excellent rebilling by all accounts because the content simply cant be found anywhere else for example we have a rimming site and a retro site that is highly sought after content which both rebill in that 66.67% i mentioned earlier above.

Saying that nobody has 70% on 100s of sales i do not think is correct based on what i have been told and have seen stats wise today $0.02

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by Webmaster Advertising

Saying that nobody has 70% on 100s of sales i do not think is correct based on what i have been told and have seen stats wise today $0.02

That's hardly fair, as it's both a microniche, and there's nothing to gauge this 'magical 70%' by.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

There's a hell of a lot to take into consideration:

1) Your traffic - and your promotionals.
2) The content - some stuff retains, some doesn't.
3) The program - how well do they support the surfer? Do they have a 24/7 support line, or are they just another turnkey ccbill built in 1997 and abandoned?

There's a lot more, but as you said, you haven't built anything up so your data's pretty damn worthless.

ouch hehe

1 - not doing anything overly agressive so this should have minimal effect.
2 - yep
3 - yep

I would think it would be harder to judge once you have built up rebills thus the question.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Webmaster Advertising

I asked about this earlier and was told that isnt the case a lot of micro niche sites have excellent rebilling by all accounts because the content simply cant be found anywhere else for example we have a rimming site and a retro site that is highly sought after content which both rebill in that 66.67% i mentioned earlier above.

Saying that nobody has 70% on 100s of sales i do not think is correct based on what i have been told and have seen stats wise today $0.02

Would love to know the program.

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by slapass

I would think it would be harder to judge once you have built up rebills thus the question.

Yes, and no. Your data will get a little skewed, but if you only have a 25% rebill - why? Are your surfers getting bored and moving on? How solid is your traffic? Where is your traffic coming from?

Like I said, it's not as simple as '25% sucks.' Right now a lot of sponsors are pulling back, and a ton of people just don't have the funds to rebill. It's very difficult to quantify without more data. Start with your traffic.

[Webmaster Advertising]

Originally Posted by slapass

Would love to know the program.

Well the rimming site i mentioned is one of our invite only paysites to promote at Condom Cash, the retro site is http://www.retromale.com which anyone is free to promote.

We have 120 or so private paysites that you can request to promote if you tell us a specific niche, we just built http://www.closeupdicks.com and http://www.kissingmales.com for 2 affiliatea that wanted sites in these niches to promote.

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[missyouth]

If you program is fresh then 30% isn't too bad. Before we launched our program publicly we were doing %40 rebill from first to second month. The key is to find out what your members want more of or dislike etc. Anywayz setup a method to retrieve that info and apply it to your site asap and u'll see the % shoot up almost instantly! Its not easy to satify all the member's even after 6 months of tweaking we are currently pushing from %40 to 60% rebill. Goodluck = )

[klinton]

if those 25 % will stay for over 6 months it's not bad, i suppose

[Mutt]

you can't get any accurate picture of what a site's rebill rates are going to be for months and months - especially when you're dealing with low number of sales.

e.g - you're a small affiliate who starts promoting a new paysite, you make 3 sales your first month - 2 cancel after the first month, you have a rebill rate of 0% - but wait six months, that 3rd sale you sent stayed with the site rebilling for 6 months. your rebill rate for the site is now 150% on that site.

on full memberships not trials i think these days a rebill rate of 100% is very good - meaning you're averaging 2 full paid months per member.

[andrej_NDC]

Originally Posted by Qbert

My rebills as a percentage of new recurring sales consistently runs over 80%. For the three months that ended 7/31 it was 109%.

Thats something different...you are adding old rebills to new recurrings. Were are talking about new members for example in july and how many rebilled in august out of them.

[andrej_NDC]

Originally Posted by Webmaster Advertising

I asked about this earlier and was told that isnt the case a lot of micro niche sites have excellent rebilling by all accounts because the content simply cant be found anywhere else for example we have a rimming site and a retro site that is highly sought after content which both rebill in that 66.67% i mentioned earlier above.

Saying that nobody has 70% on 100s of sales i do not think is correct based on what i have been told and have seen stats wise today $0.02

BUT microniches don't make 100s of sales per day. Believe noone, no matter what he tells you. Most programs on gfy make so few sales, its unbelievable, most would be happy with 50. And trust me, no paysite in the world has average 70% retention on a good amount of sales(not 10 per day at $9.95/month) coming from various places, on some traffic they can have 90%, but on some they will have 20%.