An open Letter to Eric and Ice... - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Barefootsies · 09-23-2009, 06:40 AM

Fiddy people surprised this is a business.

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Originally Posted by BAKO

Money talks bullshit walks

Barefootsies · 09-23-2009, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jay23

This is GFY, every one will whine for a week and all will be forgotten.

True dat.

MaDalton · 09-23-2009, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Why cater and support a company that has hurt everyone in the industry including such a big, powerful publicly traded company like yourselves, Playboy?

Please help us understand so we can all go away and move on from this disaster mistake we all think you guys made.

On Behalf of all your members here which is majority of the industry, Why?

well, you obviously make a lot of money but you don't advertise here. Playboy is a public company that needs to make money. i am not sure if their shareholders care much at this point.

CaptainHowdy · 09-23-2009, 06:52 AM

I guess Playboy isn't on the friend-making business after all...

Fletch XXX · 09-23-2009, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

I guess Playboy isn't on the friend-making business after all...

hef has bought and sold all his friends and lovers since the 50s LOL

he even charges for people to come over to his mansion

Iron Fist · 09-23-2009, 06:56 AM

Like they wouldn't know that this would give them the views they wanted from the beginning.... keep making these threads folks... it's like value added advertising!

Hank_Heartland · 09-23-2009, 07:03 AM

Dave, pls tell me what is new about any of this? This industry and the companies in it as accepted these types of practices since the beginning.

Why are you asking questions you already know the answers to?

In a couple of days or at upcoming shows many of you that are bitchin will be partying with Eric and Ice like it's 1999.

What a bunch of hypocrites and angels

V_RocKs · 09-23-2009, 07:03 AM

Crazy shit!

nation-x · 09-23-2009, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank_Heartland

Dave, pls tell me what is new about any of this? This industry and the companies in it as accepted these types of practices since the beginning.

Why are you asking questions you already know the answers to?

In a couple of days or at upcoming shows many of you that are bitchin will be partying with Eric and Ice like it's 1999.

What a bunch of hypocrites and angels

vod · 09-23-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

PLAYBOY, one of the most prestigious names EVER in the adult industry, is now accepting ad money from a company who:

1) Violates copyright law.
2) Is partially responsible for seriously harming the industry, even PLAYBOY itself.
3) Promotes "lolita" porn.

Wow.

This is truly a sign of the times and sad proof that PLAYBOY is literally on its last leg. They may be out of business before most of the guys here, at the rate they have been losing money and with this show of total desperation. Perhaps this is karma at work.

Buy 1 share of Playboy for $2.83

then ask PB corp. legal as a shareholder DirtyWhiteBoy questions above... if that don't work goto the press, fox, nbc, cbs..etc..once the press gets a couple hundred/thousand emails asking PB DirtyWhiteBoy questions above the press will provide air time and PB will have lots of their advertisers pulling out.. they will then fade away or change policy... until this happens nothing will change...

I agree with DirtyWhiteBoy, that US public companies should not take AD revenue from illegal tube sites that violates US copyright laws also with under age etc...

Agent 488 · 09-23-2009, 08:28 AM

never was a secret 3pic dude owned tube8 - unless brazzers just bought it off him.

FightThisPatent · 09-23-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Davy

Money. Root of all evil.

lack of money is the root of all evil

Fight the .$$$!

alias · 09-23-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank_Heartland

Dave, pls tell me what is new about any of this? This industry and the companies in it as accepted these types of practices since the beginning.

Why are you asking questions you already know the answers to?

In a couple of days or at upcoming shows many of you that are bitchin will be partying with Eric and Ice like it's 1999.

What a bunch of hypocrites and angels

This is how adult rolls. Don't like it? Go Fuck Yourself.

munki · 09-23-2009, 08:35 AM

Selling the rest of my playboy stock... at a loss... good times.

crockett · 09-23-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

http://ns2.tube8.com/

Guess we know who owns tube8 now

WG

I think we always knew that, he also owns zootube365.com. I've said from the very start that people need to put their money where their mouth is. How many people here whom run TGP's and are bitching about illegal tubes are trading traffic with 3pic.com and porn365.com.

The guy is scum, but because many have big trades with him they do nothing but bitch and moan yet still continue to take his traffic. How many paysites is he sending traffic to from 3pic.com, porn365.com whom bitch and moan about tubes yet take his traffic.

End of the day, people bitch and moan and then do nothing.

Barefootsies · 09-23-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

End of the day, people bitch and moan and then do nothing.

TheSenator · 09-23-2009, 08:44 AM

Eric and Ice have turned to the darkside.

I am sure they are making millions and have enough to retire.

Congrats to the winners!

CyberHustler · 09-23-2009, 08:45 AM

Shap · 09-23-2009, 08:47 AM

Dave I think you know I respect you. I didn't see your post when I started my other thread. For that I apologize. I was in a fuck with the gfy mob mood last night.

I guess my view of the situation is that 2010 is around the corner. There has been tube bitching for about 3 years now. Nothing has changed. Nothing is going to change. Most gfy sponsors are doing business with the people that bought the skin. Why should GFY turn away the dollars when their own sponsors don't?

DWB · 09-23-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by vod

Buy 1 share of Playboy for $2.83

then ask PB corp. legal as a shareholder DirtyWhiteBoy questions above... if that don't work goto the press, fox, nbc, cbs..etc..once the press gets a couple hundred/thousand emails asking PB DirtyWhiteBoy questions above the press will provide air time and PB will have lots of their advertisers pulling out.. they will then fade away or change policy... until this happens nothing will change...

I agree with DirtyWhiteBoy, that US public companies should not take AD revenue from illegal tube sites that violates US copyright laws also with under age etc...

Brilliant!

I'm going to do exactly that.

It may get me banned here, but so be it. I'm not here for business anyway.

Shap · 09-23-2009, 09:08 AM

btw GFY is taking money from a traffic broker "Traffic Junky". Going public would do nothing. They are simply taking from a broker that owns nothing.

The comment that they are breaking copyright law. They will say they are following DMCA law and have no records that the content is copyright protected and the user that submitted it claimed it to fine.

It's not as black and white as you guys make it out to be. If it was they'd be long gone.

punkpred · 09-23-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

lack of money is the root of all evil

BV · 09-23-2009, 09:16 AM

Eat a dick Shap.

OY · 09-23-2009, 09:16 AM

I am sure the pros and cons of doing business with the tubes by GFY have been weighed thoroughly and that the heavy amount of bitching was expected.

Shap · 09-23-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BV

Eat a dick Shap.

Love you too. I guess sales are still shitty for you these days then huh?

BV · 09-23-2009, 09:20 AM

I asked Eric yesterday on ICQ if he had gotten much flack.

He replied "No, why?"

He apparently is either dumb, playing dumb or is a dumb fuck.

Ban me if you wish, I really don't care any more.

I don't need to care anymore.

sextoyking · 09-23-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Dave I think you know I respect you. I didn't see your post when I started my other thread. For that I apologize. I was in a fuck with the gfy mob mood last night.

I guess my view of the situation is that 2010 is around the corner. There has been tube bitching for about 3 years now. Nothing has changed. Nothing is going to change. Most gfy sponsors are doing business with the people that bought the skin. Why should GFY turn away the dollars when their own sponsors don't?

So since nothing has changed yet - let's just concede the win?

Your an idiot and somewhat of a brown noser.....

Would you mind if they "post / upload your content" ???

Agent 488 · 09-23-2009, 09:22 AM

traffic junky is brazzers.

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Originally Posted by Shap

btw GFY is taking money from a traffic broker "Traffic Junky". Going public would do nothing. They are simply taking from a broker that owns nothing.

The comment that they are breaking copyright law. They will say they are following DMCA law and have no records that the content is copyright protected and the user that submitted it claimed it to fine.

It's not as black and white as you guys make it out to be. If it was they'd be long gone.

BV · 09-23-2009, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Love you too. I guess sales are still shitty for you these days then huh?

for me and you too

don't lie, your sales and roi suck compared to what you are used too, you're a fucking liar if you say otherwise

you aren't fooling nobody

Shap · 09-23-2009, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sextoyking

So since nothing has changed yet - let's just concede the win?

Your an idiot and somewhat of a brown noser.....

Would you mind if they "post / upload your content" ???

They do post upload our content. The tubes we don't work with that do that force us to monitor and send them notices daily. The tubes we work with play by our rules.

I'm sure I spend far more on content than you do and have far more to lose or gain from their actions.

Btw it's "you're" not your. I love being called an idiot by a true idiot.

Brujah · 09-23-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

They do post upload our content. The tubes we don't work with that do that force us to monitor and send them notices daily. The tubes we work with play by our rules.

I'm sure I spend far more on content than you do and have far more to lose or gain from their actions.

Btw it's "you're" not your. I love being called an idiot by a true idiot.

I really think in the past few years you have developed a brain tumor. I hope it's not cancer. Please have it checked. I'm worried about you.

Shap · 09-23-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BV

for me and you too

don't lie, your sales and roi suck compared to what you are used too, you're a fucking liar if you say otherwise

you aren't fooling nobody

Sales have plateaued. Our ROI isn't worse. Our paysite business is actually more profitable this year than last but that has nothing to do with the actual sales. I have to say the increase in bank rebill declines really suck ass but that isn't because of tubes.

We are seeing some huge growth. GayTube is absolutely out of this world. Best thing we've done in the past 2 years.

This industry has always had waves of big money makers. If you hop on the right ones you make a shitload of money.

sextoyking · 09-23-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

They do post upload our content. The tubes we don't work with that do that force us to monitor and send them notices daily. The tubes we work with play by our rules.

I'm sure I spend far more on content than you do and have far more to lose or gain from their actions.

Btw it's "you're" not your. I love being called an idiot by a true idiot.

Thanks for the english lesson - I will keep that in mind for next time....

I am 100000% positive that you spend more on content that our companies do - as we haven't ran paysites since 1998.....

I also know in my 15 yrs in this biz online that I truly love my industry (most days anyway) and what is happening now is beyond words....

People that steal from our industry one day or all days can come online the next day and look for ad revenue - what a shame......

My companies have done 10's of millions in sales over the years and I want to make sure that our industry stays alive......

I too have a vested interest......

NewNick · 09-23-2009, 09:31 AM

I see things differently.

This is a good sign.

This means that pre paid ad spots are just not selling anymore.

This means that even cams and dating wont keep the tubes afloat.

The fact that they had to come to gfy to try and sell their shitty freeloader traffic speaks volumes for their business model.

They are hurting.

area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-23-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Love you too. I guess sales are still shitty for you these days then huh?

BV doesn't know the tube game at all, he's jealous of all tube activity.

Shap · 09-23-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sextoyking

Thanks for the english lesson - I will keep that in mind for next time....

I am 100000% positive that you spend more on content that our companies do - as we haven't ran paysites since 1998.....

I also know in my 15 yrs in this biz online that I truly love my industry (most days anyway) and what is happening now is beyond words....

People that steal from our industry one day or all days can come online the next day and look for ad revenue - what a shame......

My companies have done 10's of millions in sales over the years and I want to make sure that our industry stays alive......

I too have a vested interest......

It's funny how our industry is all up in arms when we steal from each other. It's ok to steal from surfers/clients but not cool to steal from each other. Is that the message? Because for the past 10 years a shitload of programs have been stealing from the client and nobody has said shit about it. Now that some people have started to steal from other programs stealing is a big deal.

Shap · 09-23-2009, 09:39 AM

I guess my question is why should I give a shit about anybody else in this industry when they never give a shit about the end user. The end user is what propels and fuels everything we all do. For years they've been abused and the message was FUCK THE SURFER I only care about the $$$.

When did anybody in this industry care about ethics and morals? I've always tried to stand up for the one person that keeps us all in this business. Everybody said Shut the fuck up and rape that guy. Now that I do business with someone who is following a law, one that really sucks, I'm a dickhead who doesn't care about the industry.

The one big downside to the low cost of entry to our industry is that it's filled with a bunch of retards.

sextoyking · 09-23-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

It's funny how our industry is all up in arms when we steal from each other. It's ok to steal from surfers/clients but not cool to steal from each other. Is that the message? Because for the past 10 years a shitload of programs have been stealing from the client and nobody has said shit about it. Now that some people have started to steal from other programs stealing is a big deal.

Shap,

Stealing is never right - whatever the person or facts are...

I have had some good relationships with companies over the years - they made tons of revenue and so did I but yes deep down I did know that some of there billing practices were def. borderline...

I will admit that, ok.... but 2 wrongs don't make a right and I never knew of a company I worked with that blatantly stole from webmasters.....

We can all make excuses for the business we have done or currently do but the facts are plain and simple...

Remember one thing - some companies and people have long memories of what other companies did in the past and who they associate themselves with.....

Tubes are just another fad.....

SmokeyTheBear · 09-23-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

btw GFY is taking money from a traffic broker "Traffic Junky". Going public would do nothing. They are simply taking from a broker that owns nothing.
It's not as black and white as you guys make it out to be. If it was they'd be long gone.

You cant argue with the fact ever since gfy ( aka playboy ) has been advertising sites/brokers/etc that give away their content ( i.e. rip them off ) their stock has plummeted. If i was a stockholder i would want to know what playboy is doing to increase my/playboys value, selling adspots to sites that give away their videos and advertise lolita pictures doesn't seem very productive or profitable.

Infact i would start to wonder if certain people at playboy werent intentionally killing the company. I would wonder if a playboy employee was given some sweet partnership deal to sieve its traffic and value via gfy.

GFY IS the industry right now, yet i doubt it's given much mention at stockholder meetings, when without a doubt its very influential to the industry and to playboy's health.

Shap · 09-23-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sextoyking

Shap,

Stealing is never right - whatever the person or facts are...

I have had some good relationships with companies over the years - they made tons of revenue and so did I but yes deep down I did know that some of there billing practices were def. borderline...

I will admit that, ok.... but 2 wrongs don't make a right and I never knew of a company I worked with that blatantly stole from webmasters.....

We can all make excuses for the business we have done or currently do but the facts are plain and simple...

Remember one thing - some companies and people have long memories of what other companies did in the past and who they associate themselves with.....

Tubes are just another fad.....

We all turned a blind eye and let it happen. Now we wonder why people won't pay for porn and why tube sites continue to explode. It doesn't take a rocket scientist. We fucked ourselves. We let people steal from the consumer now we are crying for the consumer to come back.

Should companies turn down say $500,000 yearly business with a tube site just to make a stand only to see their top competitor jump all over that? You know how it is. If you sit on the sidelines you are going to lose out in the long run. You think AFF regrets having the policies they had? I know what you are saying but nobody is ever willing to take a stand.

»Rob Content« · 09-23-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank_Heartland

Dave, pls tell me what is new about any of this? This industry and the companies in it as accepted these types of practices since the beginning.

Why are you asking questions you already know the answers to?

In a couple of days or at upcoming shows many of you that are bitchin will be partying with Eric and Ice like it's 1999.

What a bunch of hypocrites and angels

Dave, Hank hit the nail on the head here. If you really were pissed you'd do something that actually mattered, like stop posting, by posting on here you bring more thread views that just make GFY more money, and in turn also bring the people who skin the board more as well.

Maybe not go to anymore webmaster access shows, if you don't support them, they can't continue to do things and will need to rethink.

Shap · 09-23-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

You cant argue with the fact ever since gfy ( aka playboy ) has been advertising sites/brokers/etc that give away their content ( i.e. rip them off ) their stock has plummeted. If i was a stockholder i would want to know what playboy is doing to increase my/playboys value, selling adspots to sites that give away their videos and advertise lolita pictures doesn't seem very productive or profitable.

Infact i would start to wonder if certain people at playboy werent intentionally killing the company. I would wonder if a playboy employee was given some sweet partnership deal to sieve its traffic and value via gfy.

GFY IS the industry right now, yet i doubt it's given much mention at stockholder meetings, when without a doubt its very influential to the industry and to playboy's health.

I can't even comment on this post.

alias · 09-23-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

I see things differently.

This is a good sign.

This means that pre paid ad spots are just not selling anymore.

This means that even cams and dating wont keep the tubes afloat.

The fact that they had to come to gfy to try and sell their shitty freeloader traffic speaks volumes for their business model.

They are hurting.

Finally, someone with a brain in their head.

Shap · 09-23-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by »Rob Content«

Dave, Hank hit the nail on the head here. If you really were pissed you'd do something that actually mattered, like stop posting, by posting on here you bring more thread views that just make GFY more money, and in turn also bring the people who skin the board more as well.

Maybe not go to anymore webmaster access shows, if you don't support them, they can't continue to do things and will need to rethink.

Well said.

BV · 09-23-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

It's funny how our industry is all up in arms when we steal from each other. It's ok to steal from surfers/clients but not cool to steal from each other. Is that the message? Because for the past 10 years a shitload of programs have been stealing from the client and nobody has said shit about it. Now that some people have started to steal from other programs stealing is a big deal.

Do you actually believe the shit that oozes out of your mouth?

nobody has said shit about it?

you're not on your game today shapster, how much money you wanna drop to back those words up?

Barefootsies · 09-23-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

It's funny how our industry is all up in arms when we steal from each other. It's ok to steal from surfers/clients but not cool to steal from each other. Is that the message? Because for the past 10 years a shitload of programs have been stealing from the client and nobody has said shit about it. Now that some people have started to steal from other programs stealing is a big deal.

It ranks right up there with webmasters, on this very board, who admit they never pay for a membership to another person's pay site. They just go down load it from some torrent.

Same people who do not arrogantly, openly, admin they do not pay for their music, software, movies, scripts. This does not even get into the hidden cross sales, banging the dick in of members on credit cards, and the rest of the shit.

You have to love the irony of people in this industry who steal everything else on the web from others, then have the fucking balls to complain when shit is stolen from them.

Pure comedy.

Fletch XXX · 09-23-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Dave I think you know I respect you. I didn't see your post when I started my other thread. For that I apologize. I was in a fuck with the gfy mob mood last night.

wow Daves presence sure made you change your tune man.

stand by your "fuck GFY they are all losers" stance man, it looks much cooler

SmokeyTheBear · 09-23-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I can't even comment on this post.

i think you just did

I dont think those theories i posted hold much water, but thats what i would be thinking as a stockholder. gfy is still an influential place, why are they not using it to halt their plummeting stock ? and instead doing things that only seem to hasten the falling value of playboy.

I cant think of many other companies selling ads for companies that steal their product. Not any profitable ones anyways.

Barefootsies · 09-23-2009, 09:58 AM

Barefootsies · 09-23-2009, 09:59 AM

A hundred people who do not understand this is a business.

09-23-2009, 06:52 AM	#54
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09-23-2009, 06:56 AM	#56
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09-23-2009, 07:03 AM	#57
Hank_Heartland Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: chicago, il Posts: 3,987	Dave, pls tell me what is new about any of this? This industry and the companies in it as accepted these types of practices since the beginning. Why are you asking questions you already know the answers to? In a couple of days or at upcoming shows many of you that are bitchin will be partying with Eric and Ice like it's 1999. What a bunch of hypocrites and angels __________________ Icq = 459565429 AIM = butlerhankb http://stripperpins.com Twitter = @stripperpins Facebook = Stripperpins.com [email protected]

09-23-2009, 08:35 AM	#64
munki Do Fun Shit. Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OC Posts: 13,393	Selling the rest of my playboy stock... at a loss... good times. __________________ “I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best.” -Oscar Wilde

09-23-2009, 08:44 AM	#67
TheSenator Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 13,331	Eric and Ice have turned to the darkside. I am sure they are making millions and have enough to retire. Congrats to the winners! __________________ ISeekGirls.com since 2005

09-23-2009, 07:03 AM	#58
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,391	Crazy shit!

09-23-2009, 08:28 AM	#61
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	never was a secret 3pic dude owned tube8 - unless brazzers just bought it off him.

09-23-2009, 08:45 AM	#68
CyberHustler So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 25,214

09-23-2009, 08:47 AM	#69
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Dave I think you know I respect you. I didn't see your post when I started my other thread. For that I apologize. I was in a fuck with the gfy mob mood last night. I guess my view of the situation is that 2010 is around the corner. There has been tube bitching for about 3 years now. Nothing has changed. Nothing is going to change. Most gfy sponsors are doing business with the people that bought the skin. Why should GFY turn away the dollars when their own sponsors don't?

09-23-2009, 09:08 AM	#71
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	btw GFY is taking money from a traffic broker "Traffic Junky". Going public would do nothing. They are simply taking from a broker that owns nothing. The comment that they are breaking copyright law. They will say they are following DMCA law and have no records that the content is copyright protected and the user that submitted it claimed it to fine. It's not as black and white as you guys make it out to be. If it was they'd be long gone.

09-23-2009, 09:16 AM	#73
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	Eat a dick Shap.

09-23-2009, 09:16 AM	#74
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	I am sure the pros and cons of doing business with the tubes by GFY have been weighed thoroughly and that the heavy amount of bitching was expected. __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

09-23-2009, 09:20 AM	#76
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	I asked Eric yesterday on ICQ if he had gotten much flack. He replied "No, why?" He apparently is either dumb, playing dumb or is a dumb fuck. Ban me if you wish, I really don't care any more. I don't need to care anymore.

09-23-2009, 09:31 AM	#84
NewNick Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 7,033	I see things differently. This is a good sign. This means that pre paid ad spots are just not selling anymore. This means that even cams and dating wont keep the tubes afloat. The fact that they had to come to gfy to try and sell their shitty freeloader traffic speaks volumes for their business model. They are hurting.

09-23-2009, 09:39 AM	#87
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	I guess my question is why should I give a shit about anybody else in this industry when they never give a shit about the end user. The end user is what propels and fuels everything we all do. For years they've been abused and the message was FUCK THE SURFER I only care about the $$$. When did anybody in this industry care about ethics and morals? I've always tried to stand up for the one person that keeps us all in this business. Everybody said Shut the fuck up and rape that guy. Now that I do business with someone who is following a law, one that really sucks, I'm a dickhead who doesn't care about the industry. The one big downside to the low cost of entry to our industry is that it's filled with a bunch of retards.

09-23-2009, 09:58 AM	#99
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09-23-2009, 09:59 AM	#100
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	A hundred people who do not understand this is a business. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?" Last edited by Barefootsies; 09-23-2009 at 10:00 AM..