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11-03-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

AFF was also owned by completely different people at that time.

iBill was also owned by completely different guys too, gonna give them a second chance?

xxxjay · 11-03-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Killswitch

iBill was also owned by completely different guys too, gonna give them a second chance?

Never gave them a 1st chance.

Next.

okok · 11-03-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I do this exact same thing myself!!

You simply recognize that it is a brilliant strategy and go cry in your beer. There is no rule against it. He is basically taking a season in the shitter to build a better future. Something I am sure the NFL teams could do easily.

Just as the contenders want to win NOW. They pay a premium for that. Draft picks. So you want it this year, and he'll take it next. If the greed for this year did not exist, he would not get anyone willing to trade away everything for it.

Hate the game. Not the player.

Haha read the rest of my post where I say that I got 2 3rds and a 4th after letting him take the abuse for opening the door

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11-03-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Never gave them a 1st chance.

Next.

Ok Jay, dude, I know you're mad because of what Stile is doing and all, but you gotta be think clearly here...

You damn the tube site owners, Stile, etc for stealing your content, but then turn around and call a company who has been called out countless times for lying to their members, using stolen pictures for profiles, and even using shady tactics like Zango to advertise, good guys, because they are under new management? Come on...

Like I said, iBill is under new management, and they have stolen millions from the members of your industry, but because it hasn't affected you directly, it's none of your concern?

xxxjay · 11-03-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Killswitch

Ok Jay, dude, I know you're mad because of what Stile is doing and all, but you gotta be think clearly here...

You damn the tube site owners, Stile, etc for stealing your content, but then turn around and call a company who has been called out countless times for lying to their members, using stolen pictures for profiles, and even using shady tactics like Zango to advertise, good guys, because they are under new management? Come on...

Zango and all that was the old owners. I've sat down and talked with their CEO, he doesn't even know what Zango is. Sure, they do advertise heavily on the tubes, but I would too if I were them. They would be as big without it.

Maybe I am just biased because I made enough cash from them to not work for a year or two if I wanted. They were the highest bidder after all.

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Originally Posted by Killswitch

Like I said, iBill is under new management, and they have stolen millions from the members of your industry, but because it hasn't affected you directly, it's none of your concern?

They stole millions from people that chose to do business with them. Like any business arrangement, there is the "trust element" and they blew that out of the water I must say. I feel badly for anyone that got burned. I doubt the new iBill will make any headway.

SleazyDream · 11-03-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

I don't want to adapt.

I want to leave.

and yet - it's WORSE in mainstream

Barefootsies · 11-03-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

and yet - it's WORSE in mainstream

True dat.

I dabbled in mainstream a few years back. It will have you running back to the adult industry with you singing the praises of how good it is. Mainstream was fucking insane with fraud, and people black balling each other, ripping off anything and everything not nailed down, threats and people claiming to sue one another, nuking people's PP accounts, and anything in adult you can amplify by 20-100%.

Fraud, scams, bold face rips offs. It was simply in-sane.

xxxjay · 11-03-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

True dat.

I dabbled in mainstream a few years back. It will have you running back to the adult industry with you singing the praises of how good it is. Mainstream was fucking insane with fraud, and people black balling each other, ripping off anything and everything not nailed down, threats and people claiming to sue one another, nuking people's PP accounts, and anything in adult you can amplify by 20-100%.

Fraud, scams, bold face rips offs. It was simply in-sane.

I started in mainsteam experience, like anything else, it depends who you deal with. I don't think it is worse than adults current state at all.

The pool of money that is available to you in mainstream is so much bigger than adult it isn't even funny.

Mutt · 11-03-2009, 08:58 PM

the suing business against copyright infringing stealing porn tube owners who are laughably trying to hide behind the same law that mainstream sites like YouTube will be more lucrative than porn. what they're doing is so beyond the safe harbor of the DMCA that no judge will see it any other way.

i have no idea why your program isn't suing anybody Jay.

Barefootsies · 11-03-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

The pool of money that is available to you in mainstream is so much bigger than adult it isn't even funny.

Oh that is DEFINITELY true fucking dat!

In mainstream, you can close out deals in no time and people actually have some money to their name. So you can get business closed in the same day/week/month.

In adult, especially on the forums, 50% can't afford anything over $100.00. 75% can't afford anything over $500.00. 90% can't afford anything over $1000.00.

There are only around 7-10% of this industry who make any real money, and can swing deals. Whether for websites, content, domains, whatever. So 90% of this industry is really chasing 25% who have money, and the higher dollar deals chasing down 10%.

Out of that 10%..... maybe 3-5% could be buying. So there are not many buyers across the board. That comes not only from my OWN experience. But if you talk to a couple of dozen coders, designers, content producers.... they can verify that for you.

xxxjay · 11-03-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

i have no idea why your program isn't suing anybody Jay.

Trust me, we are constantly looking into it and even have marked some attractive targets up in Norcal. It isn't as easy as it sounds.

Argos88 · 11-03-2009, 09:31 PM

the funny thing is that some people actually say that the adult business is in it's best moment and that they are doing more sales than ever before... of that it can be possible to make a lot of money with gals, when it's know that it's an obsolete marketing strategy now, and that 95% of tgps traffic has shrinked like never before...

should we understand that those guys saying that their sales are better than ever are on the dark side now? or should we understand that they are hypocrite and r trying to show off?

I totally agree with you, Jay.

Shap · 11-03-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Then why are you still posting on GFY?

I still enjoy what I do. I don't feel the same way you do about the industry. If I did I'd be long gone.

Mutt · 11-03-2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

eh? dogfart? certainly not. they have their shit service marked, can't be stolen. and they were around waaaaaay before the parasitic, mooching, thieving, ratbastards, so they're cool.

sorry - the dogfart/Blacksonblondes empire was all based on stealing content from the largest interracial DVD studio in LA, West Coast Productions. Once the thief had made some millions and gotten sued by WCP - only then did he start producing his own content.

xxxjay · 11-03-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

sorry - the dogfart/Blacksonblondes empire was all based on stealing content from the largest interracial DVD studio in LA, West Coast Productions. Once the thief had made some millions and gotten sued by WCP - only then did he start producing his own content.

That is true.

GrouchyAdmin · 11-03-2009, 11:24 PM

So, how many people are disinterested so far?

Iron Fist · 11-03-2009, 11:29 PM

Yup.. big drama.... keep "looking into it" though... eventually someone will actually do something around here.... but until then.... popcorn anyone?

xxxjay · 11-04-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

So, how many people are disinterested so far?

3 pages of them.

dyna mo · 11-04-2009, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

sorry - the dogfart/Blacksonblondes empire was all based on stealing content from the largest interracial DVD studio in LA, West Coast Productions. Once the thief had made some millions and gotten sued by WCP - only then did he start producing his own content.

well, spotting sarcasm/irony is not your strong suit eh.

no need to apologize for it though, it's cool.

OldSchoolJim · 11-04-2009, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by okok

2009: "That's adorable! You still buy CDs?"

2015: "That's adorable! You still watch porn on websites on your computer?"

Digital content is easily transportable by design. You can't put the cat back in the bag. Technology caught up, predictably, and made it possible to put a terabyte in your pocket.

Like you might pine for the days of no free porn, the RIAA pines for the days of forcing people to buy an hour of filler for the 3 minutes of killer.

Look at iTunes and its rivals: for 99 cents you can download almost any song you like. It corrects a broken system, forcing the product to catch up with technology. So now there's just a NEW group of middlemen with new and better channels to consumers' wallets. And those consumers are HAPPY to pay for it! EVEN THOUGH they could get it for free via P2P solutions!

The problem for the establishment, the labels and distributors, is that it limits their relevance and opportunity. They have become irrelevant. They will die.

When NetFlix and iTunes offer porn, we are DEAD. Until then, who will step in and be the NEW middleman for porn?

If you're a middleman -- and by operating websites you are -- then keep your eyes open.

The DMCA-rattling tubes are doing it in an ugly way, but they are winning hearts and minds. They are building brands that can become NetFlix or iTunes of porn by the time legislation catches up with reality (such that the harbor is made not so safe).

So I wonder... is it possible to build a VOD/NetFlix/iTunes-ish channel WITHOUT becoming a legislatively blessed stolen goods warehouse? Or is it TOO LATE???

possibly one of the best quotes in years.....kudos

Snake Doctor · 11-04-2009, 06:57 AM

If you want to point to a single thing that lead to the demise of this business, I'd point to Cogent.

Once they got into the bandwidth market prices started dropping like a rock and never came back.
The people who gave away free porn in the past didn't give away less because they had business sense or any shit like that, they only gave away what they could afford to because bandwidth costs were so high. Free hosts had file size limits, etc.
The amount of free porn available was constrained by the cost of bandwidth.

At <$4/mbps you can give away full free DVD's and make a small profit. At $40/mbps you can only give away about 15 pictures and still make a profit, forget about movies.

Thomas007 · 11-04-2009, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

If you want to point to a single thing that lead to the demise of this business, I'd point to Cogent.

Once they got into the bandwidth market prices started dropping like a rock and never came back.
The people who gave away free porn in the past didn't give away less because they had business sense or any shit like that, they only gave away what they could afford to because bandwidth costs were so high. Free hosts had file size limits, etc.
The amount of free porn available was constrained by the cost of bandwidth.

At <$4/mbps you can give away full free DVD's and make a small profit. At $40/mbps you can only give away about 15 pictures and still make a profit, forget about movies.

Very good point.

seeandsee · 11-04-2009, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

I don't want to adapt.

I want to leave.

MrDeiz · 11-04-2009, 08:12 AM

i thought i won't post here, but that's my point

so quote: 'This industry has turned into a bunch of parisitic, mooching, thieving, ratbastards'
and my quesiton: How that occash and lordsofporn which you own run shady x-sells (completely misleading your surfers and trying to 'hide' x-sell charges) for a long long time already?

MrDeiz · 11-04-2009, 08:19 AM

i'm just saying that the level of hypocrisy in your posts is way too much

curiousdog · 11-04-2009, 08:37 AM

I signed up for a couple of sites myself, to test them out.

Result: I got spam which can only be from these sites. I never used this combination of name and email for anything else.

Now spamming the customers, this is pretty bad!

I thinkt the payment processors maybe did not do it, in at least one occasion I needed to contact customer service, maybe someone picked up the email there.

One of them, I pursued them relentlessly writing to all their sponsors, until they got kicked out and the spam ceased.

Interestingly, nobody spams their affiliate webmasters. Probably they know that it would have consequences.

Nowadays, I found a setup for my email server (qmail?) to create an infinity of email addresses, I just use these email addresses now. But I feel bad enticing customers to sign up, knowing that their email address might get spoiled forever.

Snake Doctor · 11-04-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

This industry has turned into a bunch of parisitic, mooching, thieving, ratbastards .

I'd just like to point out that this industry has ALWAYS been a bunch of parasitic, mooching, thieving, ratbastards. (With notable exceptions that you don't need all of your fingers and toes to count)

It was just easier to live with them and not notice them when you were making assloads of cash.

Dirty Dane · 11-04-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I'd just like to point out that this industry has ALWAYS been a bunch of parasitic, mooching, thieving, ratbastards. (With notable exceptions that you don't need all of your fingers and toes to count)

It was just easier to live with them and not notice them when you were making assloads of cash.

Greed and ignorance has always been around, but today it looks like desperation.

Roald · 11-04-2009, 09:01 AM

dialers, no cancell links, $1 charges on shitloads of cards, card banging in general, crossales, hidden crossales, cc list sharing, spamming, popups, zango, Ibill, paymonde, exit chains, cancell crossales, etc etc etc All going on since the early days.

Fuck like it has ever been diffrent

Agent 488 · 11-04-2009, 09:04 AM

you sold your network to the same people who funded yours and ours demise. thanks fuckhead.

but lula is right. other business are much much worse. this is an industry of angels compared to others.

james_clickmemedia · 11-04-2009, 09:14 AM

always been scum in this industry.

Dennis69 · 11-04-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

If you want to point to a single thing that lead to the demise of this business, I'd point to Cogent.

Once they got into the bandwidth market prices started dropping like a rock and never came back.
The people who gave away free porn in the past didn't give away less because they had business sense or any shit like that, they only gave away what they could afford to because bandwidth costs were so high. Free hosts had file size limits, etc.
The amount of free porn available was constrained by the cost of bandwidth.

At <$4/mbps you can give away full free DVD's and make a small profit. At $40/mbps you can only give away about 15 pictures and still make a profit, forget about movies.

Very true... we need the days when BW was expensive and a domain cost 70 bucks to register!!!

xNetworx · 11-04-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

sorry - the dogfart/Blacksonblondes empire was all based on stealing content from the largest interracial DVD studio in LA, West Coast Productions. Once the thief had made some millions and gotten sued by WCP - only then did he start producing his own content.

I was able to procure Jake Steeds cell # and Lexington Steele's cell # in 2000. I called both of them asking if they would like to do a website with us or would sell us exclusive content. Neither was open to even discussing it. No wonder Dogfart ripped off all their shit, they were bad at business!

xxxjay · 11-04-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pimpporn

I was able to procure Jake Steeds cell # and Lexington Steele's cell # in 2000. I called both of them asking if they would like to do a website with us or would sell us exclusive content. Neither was open to even discussing it. No wonder Dogfart ripped off all their shit, they were bad at business!

Just because Jake and Lex didn't whore their content out to some guy who cold-called them doesn't make them "bad at business", nor did it issue a license to dogfart or anyone else to rip it off and build a program out of it.

czarina · 11-04-2009, 11:09 AM

there's also a lot of nice people here. Personally I've met some beautiful people here (and I mean beautiful inside), and I'm proud to call them my friends.

xNetworx · 11-04-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Just because Jake and Lex didn't whore their content out to some guy who cold-called them doesn't make them "bad at business", nor did it issue a license to dogfart or anyone else to rip it off and build a program out of it.

I agree with the second part.

gideongallery · 11-04-2009, 11:59 AM

xxxjay · 11-04-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

What do you know it is the biggest parisitic, mooching, thieving, ratbastard, leech, scumbag posting on GFY. I knew it wouldn't be long before he would show up.

Roald · 11-04-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

What do you know it is the biggest parisitic, mooching, thieving, ratbastard, leech, scumbag posting on GFY. I knew it wouldn't be long before he would show up.

CATFIGHT!!!!!

Tom_PM · 11-04-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

CATFIGHT!!!!!

Pics Traffic · 11-04-2009, 12:50 PM

double standarts. You would have sold your sites to zango or ibill if they placed right bid.

xxxjay · 11-04-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MOCKBA

double standarts. You would have sold your sites to zango or ibill if they placed right bid.

Sure, who cares? As long as they pay me up front.

okok · 11-04-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchoolJim

possibly one of the best quotes in years.....kudos

Appreciate the kind words

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will76 · 11-04-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Heron

uh as opposed to before when it was... a bunch of parisitic, mooching, thieving, ratbastards!

Right, it was just easier for the thieving ratbastards to mooch off of people and make money years back then it is now.

Shap · 11-04-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

dialers, no cancell links, $1 charges on shitloads of cards, card banging in general, crossales, hidden crossales, cc list sharing, spamming, popups, zango, Ibill, paymonde, exit chains, cancell crossales, etc etc etc All going on since the early days.

Fuck like it has ever been diffrent

I agree 100%. The only difference now is no matter what your money maker is it requires a lot of effort and work to actually make money. A lot of people really don't like that part.

will76 · 11-04-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Sure, who cares? As long as they pay me up front.

it's that attitude that is why things are the way they are today.

Because people like you Jay, you can't think 2 steps ahead. You will do business with the people fucking over the industry as long as it is not happening to you, you don't care. Then when it happens to you, you make threads like this how its all gone to shit and you just want to leave.

You are part of the problem for a couple reasons. For be apathetic and not doing anything sooner to help stop things from getting to where they are now. For doing business with the "bad" companies and helping them to prosper. For not giving a shit about anything that was happening until it happened to you, when easy logic shows if it was happening to others it would happen to you sooner or later.

How can you bitch about people and then in the same breath say "oh but i would do business with them, sell them stuff".

/Moron

Robocrop · 11-04-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

This actually made me laugh...alot

okok · 11-04-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I do this exact same thing myself!!

You simply recognize that it is a brilliant strategy and go cry in your beer. There is no rule against it. He is basically taking a season in the shitter to build a better future. Something I am sure the NFL teams could do easily.

Just as the contenders want to win NOW. They pay a premium for that. Draft picks. So you want it this year, and he'll take it next. If the greed for this year did not exist, he would not get anyone willing to trade away everything for it.

Hate the game. Not the player.

So Barefootsies, I brought up that example to compare it to tube owners who are abusing the DMCA.

They are taking advantage of a loophole to build huge brands. Not to mention to get their foot in the door on licensing deals.

If they don't, they are leaving that opportunity on the table for someone else to grab.

Eventually, the DMCA will be amended somehow, but even when that happens and they "lose," they will STILL win, because they've already created huge brands.

Thoughts?

will76 · 11-04-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Greed and ignorance has always been around, but today it looks like desperation.

bingo, that is what I have been saying...

All the bullshit in the past was people trying to make a billion and 1 dollars. The bullshit happening today is the people trying to make enough to pay their bills. Different reasons, same bullshit.

11-04-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

sure, who cares? As long as they pay me up front.

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Originally Posted by will76

it's that attitude that is why things are the way they are today.

Because people like you jay, you can't think 2 steps ahead. You will do business with the people fucking over the industry as long as it is not happening to you, you don't care. Then when it happens to you, you make threads like this how its all gone to shit and you just want to leave.

You are part of the problem for a couple reasons. For be apathetic and not doing anything sooner to help stop things from getting to where they are now. For doing business with the "bad" companies and helping them to prosper. For not giving a shit about anything that was happening until it happened to you, when easy logic shows if it was happening to others it would happen to you sooner or later.

How can you bitch about people and then in the same breath say "oh but i would do business with them, sell them stuff".

/moron

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	the suing business against copyright infringing stealing porn tube owners who are laughably trying to hide behind the same law that mainstream sites like YouTube will be more lucrative than porn. what they're doing is so beyond the safe harbor of the DMCA that no judge will see it any other way. i have no idea why your program isn't suing anybody Jay. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

11-03-2009, 11:24 PM	#116
GrouchyAdmin Now choke yourself! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 12,085	So, how many people are disinterested so far? __________________ AIM: GrouchyGfy

11-03-2009, 11:29 PM	#117
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	Yup.. big drama.... keep "looking into it" though... eventually someone will actually do something around here.... but until then.... popcorn anyone? __________________ i like waffles

11-04-2009, 06:57 AM	#121
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	If you want to point to a single thing that lead to the demise of this business, I'd point to Cogent. Once they got into the bandwidth market prices started dropping like a rock and never came back. The people who gave away free porn in the past didn't give away less because they had business sense or any shit like that, they only gave away what they could afford to because bandwidth costs were so high. Free hosts had file size limits, etc. The amount of free porn available was constrained by the cost of bandwidth. At <$4/mbps you can give away full free DVD's and make a small profit. At $40/mbps you can only give away about 15 pictures and still make a profit, forget about movies. __________________ sig too big

11-04-2009, 08:12 AM	#124
MrDeiz SignBucksDaily.com Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,802	i thought i won't post here, but that's my point so quote: 'This industry has turned into a bunch of parisitic, mooching, thieving, ratbastards' and my quesiton: How that occash and lordsofporn which you own run shady x-sells (completely misleading your surfers and trying to 'hide' x-sell charges) for a long long time already? __________________ Make money with WEBC$MS The only way to still make money in adult

11-03-2009, 09:31 PM	#112
Argos88 So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,732	the funny thing is that some people actually say that the adult business is in it's best moment and that they are doing more sales than ever before... of that it can be possible to make a lot of money with gals, when it's know that it's an obsolete marketing strategy now, and that 95% of tgps traffic has shrinked like never before... should we understand that those guys saying that their sales are better than ever are on the dark side now? or should we understand that they are hypocrite and r trying to show off? I totally agree with you, Jay.

11-04-2009, 08:19 AM	#125
MrDeiz SignBucksDaily.com Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,802	i'm just saying that the level of hypocrisy in your posts is way too much __________________ Make money with WEBC$MS The only way to still make money in adult

11-04-2009, 08:37 AM	#126
curiousdog Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 81	More immorality: selling customers' email to spammers! I signed up for a couple of sites myself, to test them out. Result: I got spam which can only be from these sites. I never used this combination of name and email for anything else. Now spamming the customers, this is pretty bad! I thinkt the payment processors maybe did not do it, in at least one occasion I needed to contact customer service, maybe someone picked up the email there. One of them, I pursued them relentlessly writing to all their sponsors, until they got kicked out and the spam ceased. Interestingly, nobody spams their affiliate webmasters. Probably they know that it would have consequences. Nowadays, I found a setup for my email server (qmail?) to create an infinity of email addresses, I just use these email addresses now. But I feel bad enticing customers to sign up, knowing that their email address might get spoiled forever.

11-04-2009, 09:01 AM	#129
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11-04-2009, 09:04 AM	#130
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	you sold your network to the same people who funded yours and ours demise. thanks fuckhead. but lula is right. other business are much much worse. this is an industry of angels compared to others.

11-04-2009, 09:14 AM	#131
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11-04-2009, 11:09 AM	#135
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,745	there's also a lot of nice people here. Personally I've met some beautiful people here (and I mean beautiful inside), and I'm proud to call them my friends. Last edited by czarina; 11-04-2009 at 11:10 AM..

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Pics Traffic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 3,055	double standarts. You would have sold your sites to zango or ibill if they placed right bid.