Non-advertiser threads should be bounced....

[BFT3K]

This is a very simple issue.

Assume there are 10,000 registered members of GFY, and 100 of them occassionally advertise.

Set up the board so that only these 100 advertisers can post, and you don't have a fucking board anymore.

Problem solved!

[lagcam]

This should have been a private discussion between the advertiser and the board.

If the advertiser wants more for his money, the advertiser should tell the person he gives the money to.

Posting it into the open forum like this is only going to generate bad PR for the poster. I have no idea of the actual numbers but there must be many thousands of non-advertisers for every advertiser here so it was hardly likely to gain overwhelming public support was it?

[Jman]

Originally Posted by pr_dave

as an long time advertiser on gfy i'm tired of seeing this board over clogged with non-advertiser threads.

If they don't advertiser here their threads should be 100% bounced to an opportunities / spam forum.

I have already talked to many other advertisers and we are all in agreement. The ability to use a full size banner in our sigs is not enough of an incentive going into 2010.

Gfy it is in your hands now.

amen!!!!!

Not saying small programs should NOT have the right to promote themselfs but Advertisers should have some sort of priority like a first class top 10 post on first page.

[beerptrol]

If you don't think you're getting enough bang for your buck, then stop advertising.

[Jman]

ALSO Keep in mind without PAID ADVERTISMENT the small programs would NOT have a GFY to promote their program

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by lagcam

This should have been a private discussion between the advertiser and the board.

If the advertiser wants more for his money, the advertiser should tell the person he gives the money to.

Posting it into the open forum like this is only going to generate bad PR for the poster. I have no idea of the actual numbers but there must be many thousands of non-advertisers for every advertiser here so it was hardly likely to gain overwhelming public support was it?

How many people here are now joining other boards, simply in anticipation of some dumbass posting change JUST POSSIBLY going down here in the near future?

To publicly hint at changing the balance of this board in this way is almost as fucking stupid as selling ads to thieving tubes.

I'm going to google "adult webmaster boards" right now, and register with as many as I can, just in case this board finally blows itself up.

How much money in advertising will you get when the only participants are a few dozen advertisers, all advertising to themselves.

Fucking stupid!

[seeric]

we have a small ad package for each of our programs to make announcements and such. if for nothing else, i do it to support gfy and to help keep it all alive and healthy. different people find different value in different ad packages. my views about boards are not what they were in 2005 or even 2007, but i still find value in supporting the community with whatever i feel is justifiable for the return on investment. everything is changing, including views on advertising and roi on it. i know one thing, i never ever ever want to moderate a forum. ever. i'm sure that eric will come to something amicable for everyone, he always does. that's why he's the head zookeeper.

[Jman]

Originally Posted by webgurl

PR_Dave , stop advertising here if you are not happy the way it is . This place
is like the Adult Craigslist (and they don't even have any advertisement there) , the free concept does wonders to sites ,
take that away and you will lose traffic quick ....

What is this FREE concept you are talking about... Do you honestly think without all the advertising revenue Playboy would of kept a board like GFY running on a Free model

Also craigslist have a paying model, you pay for your add and you get better placement... Basically what Dave is asking GFY.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Give the advertisers their own special little board on the forum where nothing but paid advertisers can post. See how much traffic that forum winds up getting

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

Give the advertisers their own special little board on the forum where nothing but paid advertisers can post. See how much traffic that forum winds up getting

Yeah, really - how fucking STUPID would that plan be?!

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

ALSO Keep in mind without PAID ADVERTISMENT the small programs would NOT have a GFY to promote their program

easily said, you work for someone that can pay big bucks. try running your own business, pay your own employees, rent, taxes, equipment etc.

and then decide whether you want to spend $3000 this month to pay a banner on GFY or pay your office rent and a broken flashlight.

[PR_Dave]

Non advertiser announcements, not just regular posts/threads lol!

Come on guys....

[Peace]

GFY is successful now. and doing everything right . that is why is is popular. keep it as it is

[webgurl]

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

What is this FREE concept you are talking about... Do you honestly think without all the advertising revenue Playboy would of kept a board like GFY running on a Free model

Also craigslist have a paying model, you pay for your add and you get better placement... Basically what Dave is asking GFY.

"Free" as in as it stands at the moment , small programs can post their announcements on this main forum page .
I have posted my launch of a new site on this main page before .
This is "FREE" , programs can post their new promo tools This is "FREE" , programs
post their special payout promo days This is "FREE" . LOL , you do know this forum is "Free" right ?

On a side note , about Craigslist, are you sure about paid top listings ? If so , show me the proof and how abouts i go doing this .
I don't think what you are saying exist. If they have this option , I would be much interested in using this feature for my mainstream bizz .

[Tom_PM]

webgurl consider this..
Lets say you have banners blocked. You have avatars and sigs off.

If the board is unskinned, then you've got paying advertisers with stickies seperating them from non advertisers who could have 3 threads right below the sticky. If they are allowed a full url in the thread title, they'd be getting more eyes than the paying advertiser.

I'm trying to exercise that devils advocate voice here ya know? Seeing all sides and all that jazz?

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by nation-x

You completely missed what he said and skipped right to an unrelated example... the point was that advertisers don't have control of the media except to choose to advertise or not... that is where your choice lies... advertise or not. As far as what was proposed by the OP is concerned and his characterization of other programs as "dead weight"... some of those "dead weight" programs have used logic and experience to determine that spending $3000/month for a banner spot that rotates and is displayed only one every x amount of page views is a bad investment for them. I agree that non-advertisers shouldn't be able to have sticky's or contest threads... but a great number of us read gfy to find out about new programs/sites. There is alot to be said for promoting fresh stuff and not the same old stale shit that most big programs produce.

No you are assuming I missed his point and your assumption is wrong. I was commenting on his example of newspapers and assimilating it with this current issue. What i said was correct also, free ads in a newspaper and in magazines are at the back, not side by side with the high paid spots...



Why does everyone keep bringing up this $3000/month up anyway? I thought we are all caught up on the fact that there are cheaper advertising methods available here?

We all on the same page that nobody is suggesting that we make this an advertiser only forum at least?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Why does everyone keep bringing up this $3000/month up anyway? I thought we are all caught up on the fact that there are cheaper advertising methods available here?

because while the profitability of the top banner or under the quick reply box might be already questionable, i think that a 120x60 at the bottom is totally pointless. i even had to look if they are still there before i posted this

if i would consider being a sponsor it would be a top banner or nothing. and i can't afford a top banner

[Jman]

Originally Posted by webgurl

"Free" as in as it stands at the moment , small programs can post their announcements on this main forum page .
I have posted my launch of a new site on this main page before .
This is "FREE" , programs can post their new promo tools This is "FREE" , programs
post their special payout promo days This is "FREE" . LOL , you do know this forum is "Free" right ?

On a side note , about Craigslist, are you sure about paid top listings ? If so , show me the proof and how abouts i go doing this .
I don't think what you are saying exist. If they have this option , I would be much interested in using this feature for my mainstream bizz .

For certain services they charge between 5$-10$

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

What is this FREE concept you are talking about... Do you honestly think without all the advertising revenue Playboy would of kept a board like GFY running on a Free model

Also craigslist have a paying model, you pay for your add and you get better placement... Basically what Dave is asking GFY.

Well you do, if you are a paying advertiser you can get stickys at the top. I might be wrong but I believe you need to be a buyer to get that.

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

For certain services they charge between 5$-10$

I need a BJ

[Juicy D. Links]

A list of top advertisers would be nice to see on a separate page for reference , hard to keep track

[quiet]

what a pile of steaming shit. thank god jbm exists.

[Juicy D. Links]

I think they should put a HD Webcam under erics desk also so we can see his dingaling on demand , especially when he wears shorts and goes commando

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

because while the profitability of the top banner or under the quick reply box might be already questionable, i think that a 120x60 at the bottom is totally pointless. i even had to look if they are still there before i posted this

if i would consider being a sponsor it would be a top banner or nothing. and i can't afford a top banner

but even if you didn't think that banner spot at the bottom would be all that helpful what Dave is suggesting would still allow you to have advertising threads and have your promos stickied the same if not close to it would it not? Doesn't have to be so black and white if you are just getting started.

[Sharky]

Why the hell are you guys blowing this out of proportion? The advertisers simply need more value to stay. Of all the users posting today, less than 10% add any real value.

Try going to any of the big mainstream forums and you will see they are moderated to a T. They move posts from incorrect forum to the appropriate forum all the time.

There is nothing wrong with trying to clean up GFY of all the spam and add more value. The value in advertising on forums has dropped a lot over the last few years.. It's not going to get better unless something is done about it.

[Jman]

Originally Posted by Sharky

Why the hell are you guys blowing this out of proportion? The advertisers simply need more value to stay. Of all the users posting today, less than 10% add any real value.

Try going to any of the big mainstream forums and you will see they are moderated to a T. They move posts from incorrect forum to the appropriate forum all the time.

There is nothing wrong with trying to clean up GFY of all the spam and add more value. The value in advertising on forums has dropped a lot over the last few years.. It's not going to get better unless something is done about it.

Now you just lost them all more by making sense Sharky

[JayDeeZee]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Interesting example regarding newspapers. Where do these same newspapers stick their free ads? Not on the front page ;)

If you let the advertisers decide where to put their ads where would they be? How much integrity would that paper hold if the front page was plastered with only paid ads.

Currently on GFY, we allow the community to decide the relevance of announcements. If an announcement has value to the community, it WILL be bumped. If the message is bullshit, the thread will drop.

[quiet]

Originally Posted by JayDeeZee

If you let the advertisers decide where to put their ads where would they be? How much integrity would that paper hold if the front page was plastered with only paid ads.

Currently on GFY, we allow the community to decide the relevance of announcements. If an announcement has value to the community, it WILL be bumped. If the message is bullshit, the thread will drop.

no doubt.

[Loch]

OK i dident read the last page here, a bit too busy at the moment.
However it seems to me that the entire post have been twisted a tad here....i dont think Dave cares about the small stuff posted here once in a while, i know i dont and doubt that was the intent of this post.

However there are some fairly good size programs and few bigger ones that constantly have stuff going on and posting their weekly updates.
There are also some members with small businesses that post news and updates almost daily......THAT is a kick in the nuts to ANY paying advertiser.

All i have heard in here is how boring this place would be if the FREE add madness stopped.
Well how do you think it would go if the advertisers stopped?
Moving into 2010 GFY can go 2 different routes.

1. Cut add prices in almost half
2. clean this place up a bit

Why?
If you think this resession cripples the webmaster making 2k pr month try to imagine what companies like PR is loosing right now....
If you cant optimize adds you have to cut them

We are taking our adds out from 2-3 places In December as they are just not performing (Eric relax not from here lol)

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

ALSO Keep in mind without PAID ADVERTISMENT the small programs would NOT have a GFY to promote their program

Keep in mind that as long as you have traffic, you'll probably be able to find advertisers. But without traffic, you're fucked.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by JayDeeZee

If you let the advertisers decide where to put their ads where would they be? How much integrity would that paper hold if the front page was plastered with only paid ads.

Currently on GFY, we allow the community to decide the relevance of announcements. If an announcement has value to the community, it WILL be bumped. If the message is bullshit, the thread will drop.

Who said anything about covering this place with ads? Letting the community decide what ads they want to see? Come on! With that logic ads would be a meaningless waste of money, and if all the advertisers believed that and no ads were put up? What would pay the bandwidth bills here exactly?

[cherrylula]

you guys going about this wrong.

make a gfy premium version, paid version, make it bannerless and get rid of all the sponsor spam.

make gfy bannerless!! ;)

[Sharky]

Originally Posted by JayDeeZee

If you let the advertisers decide where to put their ads where would they be? How much integrity would that paper hold if the front page was plastered with only paid ads.

Currently on GFY, we allow the community to decide the relevance of announcements. If an announcement has value to the community, it WILL be bumped. If the message is bullshit, the thread will drop.

WRONG! I can post a totally spammy thread that noone finds "relevant" but hit up my entire ICQ list to bump it for me. Everyone does this. Advertisers as well as non-advertisers do. Advertisers have the benefit of a sticky thread, but the value of that sticky thread diminishes when one could have their friends bump the thread to the top of the forum for days on end.

[Agent 488]

you ever stop kissing ass?

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

amen!!!!!

Not saying small programs should NOT have the right to promote themselfs but Advertisers should have some sort of priority like a first class top 10 post on first page.

[wdforty]

Originally Posted by JayDeeZee

Imaging if advertisers had control of newspapers or news coverage.

You're kidding right? Take a closer look at MSM.

[Joshua G]

the valid point, that advertisers get better value, was polluted by the comment "if they cant afford to advertise here, fuck em."

a world with no opportunity to grow from small to large is a world without innovation. So creating a class system here based on cash is a remarkably dumb idea. Simply advocate for better advertiser value & leave it there...

[JayDeeZee]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Who said anything about covering this place with ads? Letting the community decide what ads they want to see? Come on! With that logic ads would be a meaningless waste of money, and if all the advertisers believed that and no ads were put up? What would pay the bandwidth bills here exactly?

To clarify I said announcement not ads. Ads imply "paid" spots.

Announcements on this board are content. If a shitty sponsor has a crappy or un-insightful announcement it will drop.

If a sponsor has an outright terrible idea, dave is limiting our ability to criticize and make fun of him. Where would this board be without some of the massive 20 pg failures of some small programs.

Example: NEW! Twin Sister site now signing up affiliates!

[wtfent]

Originally Posted by PR_Dave

Wanting more for my ad $'s brings the hate.

Sleazy is just saying what is on his mind, he is a business man too. I have no personal issue with him.

Industry is changing, this is a business is it not? I am looking to get more for people that advertise on GFY and less for people that don't.

Perhaps a time limit on non-advertiser announcements would do the trick. 12 hours and then the bounce.

You need to read the story about the guy that had a goose that could make golden eggs. That is you 100%. Your trying to hurt the very same people that make your program so successful. Dude just give it up, you're in the wrong, this a battle you already lost. Stop digging yourself in a deeper hole.

Either pay to announce your shit, or gtfo.

PimpRoll wins!

[the Shemp]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

Either pay to announce your shit, or gtfo.

PimpRoll wins!

congrats to the winners...

[JayDeeZee]

Dave, I don't disagree with you wanting more value for your ad dollars. Just don't take this out on the community.

GFY should consider offering added value PR.

Or sponsors should consider diverting some of their ad budget to public relations on GFY

Originally Posted by the Shemp

congrats to the winners...

I was dj diddling all over the place to my avatar, then I saw yours and I sploodged.

[cyco_cc]

Originally Posted by PR_Dave

Non advertiser announcements, not just regular posts/threads lol!

Come on guys....

Looks like it is being blown out of proportion or taken out of context. Paid advertising is what keeps GFY going, no doubt. I think it's fair that paid advertisers should have priority over non-paid announcements. I don't think you mentioned anything about posts/threads so I don't know why anyone would lump that in there (then again, I didn't read all of the posts, "too long, did not read "). I think it pissed people off when you called non-paid "SPAM". Just my

[BFT3K]

GFY: The web's angriest message board!

[San]

Originally Posted by PR_Dave

As an long time advertiser on GFY I'm tired of seeing this board over clogged with non-advertiser threads.

If they don't advertiser here their threads should be 100% bounced to an opportunities / spam forum.

I have already talked to many other advertisers and we are all in agreement. The ability to use a full size banner in our sigs is not enough of an incentive going into 2010.

GFY it is in your hands now.

how about making your program not suck, instead of whining?

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by PR_Dave

Wanting more for my ad $'s brings the hate.

Sleazy is just saying what is on his mind, he is a business man too. I have no personal issue with him.

Industry is changing, this is a business is it not? I am looking to get more for people that advertise on GFY and less for people that don't.

Perhaps a time limit on non-advertiser announcements would do the trick. 12 hours and then the bounce.

no.

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

What is this FREE concept you are talking about... Do you honestly think without all the advertising revenue Playboy would of kept a board like GFY running on a Free model

Also craigslist have a paying model, you pay for your add and you get better placement... Basically what Dave is asking GFY.

you're a complete fucking moron in a lot of ways.

reality is if you give stickys to advertisers it's like a beacon NOT to read the ad and that it's selling something. Sticky's do not guarantee page views - we've scene that many times. but if that makes an idiot like you happy - do it.

what gets page views in threads is something INTERESTING. that's it. The people who are pissed of are those who have nothing interesting to get people's attention now and their only option is to threaten with money.

banning or restricting people from talking about their websites will crush this place, It's what everyone here (cept for you MR 'I hate adult' tattoo man) came here for. We all want to talk about things related to our lives which and the largest part of out lives is our work.


What's responsible for the huge decline in inkednation's traffic? Thinking like this?



at least I can say I left the business for 2 years........ LOL

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by JayDeeZee

To clarify I said announcement not ads. Ads imply "paid" spots.

Announcements on this board are content. If a shitty sponsor has a crappy or un-insightful announcement it will drop.

If a sponsor has an outright terrible idea, dave is limiting our ability to criticize and make fun of him. Where would this board be without some of the massive 20 pg failures of some small programs.

Example: NEW! Twin Sister site now signing up affiliates!

the only terrible ideas that get tons of attention are the ones people shit all over and make fun of - and it's one of the REAL joys of this place.....

[JFK]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

If you don't think you're getting enough bang for your buck, then stop advertising.

AMEN

[JFK]

One Fitty non advertisers bounced