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Old 11-25-2009, 07:44 PM   #151
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WRONG! I can post a totally spammy thread that noone finds "relevant" but hit up my entire ICQ list to bump it for me. Everyone does this. Advertisers as well as non-advertisers do. Advertisers have the benefit of a sticky thread, but the value of that sticky thread diminishes when one could have their friends bump the thread to the top of the forum for days on end.
in a way you're right - but if you get your friends to bump something shitty you WILL get crapped on in GFY -- it's a brutal place.

pumping something stupid is suicidal here - and a train wreck everyone just has to watch burn in flames and destroy itself.

the exception is contests - and I actually agree with how they are handled....

as it is now if someone goes too far nuts bumping something they get banned and the thread gets locked.
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:57 PM   #152
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I'm starting to lose some respect for you myself.. Did you even read his posts? Do you even know what it costs to advertise here? I read someone say you can get a banner spot for as low as 300 bucks.. come on!

You have been a good webmaster of ours for a long time now so I really don't understand why you are turning a disagreement with what Dave said into a war against us. Where did he say that nobody else should be aloud to make a thread? WHERE??? He is talking about advertising threads... Even if you disagree with what he is saying it is a valid argument, so valid that even Eric stepped in and not only responded but agreed that it should be something worth looking into down the road.


A lot of people taking shots at us for being so high and mighty here, but how do you guys think we built what we have? It had nothing to do with kissing ass BELIEVE ME. We paid a fortune in advertising when we first started things up! Not just here either. Why should someone who is just riding along for free get the same exposure then?

There is no reason we can't argue this issue without resorting to attacking each others business practices so if you disagree? Let's here it, but lets not be putting words into each others mouths here...
where did I attack your business other than on this issue? I actually praised your company in a lot of ways.

if you allow Dave to continue on the path to crush smaller webmasters, it will end up biting you in the ass....

I can make a valid argument that black people should still be slaves and that women should all be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Even if valid, arguing for something that will hurt other people - those people who support your program , is that really an argument you WANT to make?

don't hurt the people who send you traffic.....there are other ways
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:53 PM   #153
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just a thought but wouldn't it be better to buy out the few remaining independent programs of any size or value and stop worrying about gfy? We do that mostly now...minus Shap getting pissed off lol
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:12 PM   #154
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Well you do, if you are a paying advertiser you can get stickys at the top. I might be wrong but I believe you need to be a buyer to get that.
You can be a non advertiser and get a sticky, just cost a lot more.
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:19 PM   #155
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Eric here is what you need to do, and yes it will cost you money!
Give TOP advertisers a FREE site skin for XX amount of days every year!

Its extra exposure and will solve atleast part of this problem.....
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Old 11-25-2009, 10:24 PM   #156
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You know what most advertisers do with ad campaigns that aren't turning positive return? THEY SCRAP THEM. Bammm, to the curb and on to greener pastures. What blows my mind is that advertisers continue to spend money on traffic they deem worthless. STOP GIVING THEM MONEY FOR A WORTHLESS AD SPOT IF YOU WANT TO SEE CHANGE. let the market for the traffic correct itself if there's inadequacies in it's performance. Don'y keep shelling out the money complaining about the declining value of the traffic. let you money do they speaking, by taking it away. You're either going to see one of two results. Cost of ad spaces will be adjusted to a fair rate due to decline in demand, or they owners of the site will make changes in accordance to increase the value of said advertisement opportunities....

Coles Notes Version: If the traffic isn't showing he results you wish to see for your money, QUIT BUYING THE ADVERTISEMENTS...
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Old 11-25-2009, 11:18 PM   #157
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Oh yes If only I had a program....

Nah... I like being just a lowly affiliate.

Moving on....
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