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Les Grossman · 12-03-2009, 11:00 PM

So many fake nics in this thread, it's disturbing.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 12-03-2009, 11:06 PM

Not takin' sides - just sayin'...

ADG

Shoehorn! · 12-03-2009, 11:08 PM

Six pages of most everyone saying the same thing.

Dirty D, have you decided to do what everyone knows is right and pay me the money that you owe me?

Agent 488 · 12-03-2009, 11:09 PM

so says les grossman.

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Originally Posted by Les Grossman

So many fake nics in this thread, it's disturbing.

Shoehorn! · 12-03-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Not takin' sides - just sayin'...

ADG

I have one of those too.

Doesn't change the fact that he owes me money and should do the right thing and pay.

Libertine · 12-03-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I agree. Only Dirty D said that every sale was from the DOMAIN NAME. Not a keyword containing the name or another version of the name or a related word. But the actual domain name.

That's a different animal all together.

We saw the screenshot: it was "crackwhore confessions", not "crackwhoreconfessions.com".

If I typed in "crackwhore confessions", I might be looking for the site itself... but I might also be looking for a random place to find some of the videos. Which would be accomplished by simply scrolling down and going for rapidlibrary or filestube.

Since the crackwhoreconfessions.com listing looks like shit, it actually wouldn't be as enticing as the listings below it. Since some of those listings don't go to pages promoting the site at all, that's a problem.

Adwords offers a solution to that. It allows you to create a prettier listing that confers a message rather than containing some keywords. A message like "Watch hundreds of crackwhores get their holes used right now for just $29.99!" among the listings might just make the surfer think "Hey! That's pretty cheap for getting off right now!" and prevent him from ever scrolling down and discovering the free alternatives.

Hell, we could just look at one of your sites, ClaudiaMarie.com. The second listing is "Claudia Marie Picture and Movies at FreeOnes" - which contains more than enough free galleries to get most surfers off.

An Adwords listing for Claudia Marie which mentions the price and points immediately to a custom join page could well result in a few additional signups each month, from people who would be satisfied by free galleries otherwise

Deej · 12-03-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

so says les grossman.

no shit... come clean les...

okny · 12-03-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn!

Six pages of most everyone saying the same thing.

Dirty D, have you decided to do what everyone knows is right and pay me the money that you owe me?

I agree pay the man after reading this entire thread, it's not in tos therefore there is nothing wrong with what you did, there is no dispute at this point at the amount owed should be paid point blank.

Fat Panda · 12-03-2009, 11:14 PM

this is so fucking funny

Shoehorn! · 12-03-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Les Grossman

So many fake nics in this thread, it's disturbing.

Maybe, but theres also a lot of well known veterans saying the same thing, that Dirty D should pay the money he owes me.

RTP · 12-03-2009, 11:16 PM

obviously this is an sem issue and what or what not is allowed. for clarification I mentioned SEO on this thread as an example of specifically how a program can have a misunderstanding of traffic and cut an affiliate, but once everything was communicated - both parties can work together towards the same goal.

i'm sure dirty d will understand that what you are doing is a benefit for him and you both will come to terms...

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 12-03-2009, 11:19 PM

ADG

Fat Panda · 12-03-2009, 11:21 PM

Back to work, busy converting a very special program at 1:125 gfy

Robbie · 12-03-2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

Hell, we could just look at one of your sites, ClaudiaMarie.com. The second listing is "Claudia Marie Picture and Movies at FreeOnes" - which contains more than enough free galleries to get most surfers off.

you better be seeing them as THIRD listing behind my index and tour pages as ONE and TWO because I work hard to keep it that way.

And believe me, on the occassions where I change stuff and they get that number one spot for a day or so while Google reshuffles...they make sales off that spot. But as long as I'm at the top...it's type-in heaven.

I can only speak from my experience. People looking specifically for Claudia Marie end up coming to me in the end one way or another. My dynamic tour is better than any free site when it comes to Claudia-Marie. Google is a place where I don't have any problems anymore, but only because I work hard to make sure of it.

And I've been expanding out to some very cool keywords lately as well.

Hell, I'll give some of y'all one of them right here...I don't mind competition cause I think I'm better lol

Check this out in Google "big tit whore"

I've been finding LOADS of keywords recently that surprised me with how big and profitable they are. And once I find 'em, I take 'em.

And no...I don't need to buy a "pretty" adword on Google to make sales.

Shoehorn! · 12-03-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RTP

obviously this is an sem issue and what or what not is allowed. for clarification I mentioned SEO on this thread as an example of specifically how a program can have a misunderstanding of traffic and cut an affiliate, but once everything was communicated - both parties can work together towards the same goal.

i'm sure dirty d will understand that what you are doing is a benefit for him and you both will come to terms...

Hopefully. It isn't too late for him to come in here, admit that he made a mistake, fix it and everyone move on.

Until then, its important that other affiliates to know whats going on.

Robbie · 12-03-2009, 11:25 PM

Oh one other thing....on the "big tit whore" keyword you'll also notice my Grampland and Jugland sites are on the first page too. Heh-heh.

Deej · 12-03-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

And no...I don't need to buy a "pretty" adword on Google to make sales.

Is this all you wanted to say?

I like you and your lady, in person, the board is a different matter.

But I will say this... There are people that make WAY more money than you ever will on your site and they do it with PPC...

I myself havent experienced huge profit from ppc... but its out there...

Deej · 12-03-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Oh one other thing....on the "big tit whore" keyword you'll also notice my Grampland and Jugland sites are on the first page too. Heh-heh.

for you to gain multiple result son page one only means its not a hugely sought after keyword...

kudos for you for carving that phrase out, but this second comment on the phrase burnt it for a lot of us

Seriously robbie... youre a cool dude in person n shit... but your board tactics just seems like a facet for you to argue...

Shoehorn! · 12-03-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

I like you and your lady, in person, the board is a different matter.

But I will say this... There are people that make WAY more money than you ever will on your site and they do it with PPC...

I feel the same way, everything he posts is either to bait people for an argument or to spam his site.

I don't care about his organic SE traffic or his site, theres enough threads about that already.

I care about making people aware of what is going on here and to try to get my money.

Robbie · 12-03-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

Is this all you wanted to say?

I like you and your lady, in person, the board is a different matter.

But I will say this... There are people that make WAY more money than you ever will on your site and they do it with PPC...

I myself havent experienced huge profit from ppc... but its out there...

Really? Ok, I'm glad you know how much money I've made. And you don't like me on the board because I simply spoke my mind? I've known Dirty D for at least a decade. I partied with Shoehorn in Costa Rica a couple of years ago. I took no sides. I just tired of reading a lot of people on here talking shit about Dirty D's program.

As far as "more money than I ever will" here are my affiliate stats since mid-2003 (that's only as far back as Stats Remote goes) I made TONS more from 1996 to 2003:

I am and always have been a serious affiliate.

And Claudia-Marie's little ol' site has made net profits of over $600,000 since it opened the doors with 5 updates in May of 2007.

Please don't insult me.

Robbie · 12-03-2009, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deej

for you to gain multiple result son page one only means its not a hugely sought after keyword...

kudos for you for carving that phrase out, but this second comment on the phrase burnt it for a lot of us

Seriously robbie... youre a cool dude in person n shit... but your board tactics just seems like a facet for you to argue...

Not a highly sought keyword????? Results 1 - 10 of about 3,240,000 for big tit whore

It's not huge, but it ain't too bad either and it's VERY HIGHLY TARGETED. Damn, even when I try to give you people a free gift you don't take it.

Robbie · 12-03-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn!

I feel the same way, everything he posts is either to bait people for an argument or to spam his site.

I don't care about his organic SE traffic or his site, theres enough threads about that already.

I care about making people aware of what is going on here and to try to get my money.

I hope you get your $350. I think you've made people aware in this thread. Good luck to you. See you soon I hope.

Shoehorn! · 12-03-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I just tired of reading a lot of people on here talking shit about Dirty D's program.

And why do you think that is? Because people are taking sides? Ganging up on him?

Of course not. This is a matter of doing the right thing and PAYING YOUR AFFILIATES. Dirty D isn't paying his affiliates. Maybe some of them, but not all of them.

Leave your ego at the door please. This thread isn't about you, no matter how much you want it to be.

This is about something as simple as a program not paying its affiliates. I sent him sales, he owes me money for those sales, he hasn't paid me.

Shoehorn! · 12-03-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I hope you get your $350. I think you've made people aware in this thread. Good luck to you. See you soon I hope.

Thank you.

Robbie · 12-03-2009, 11:44 PM

Good luck to you Shoehorn. I hope your crusade on here works. I don't have much more to offer. I gave you my opinion but it didn't fall in line with you so now you're talking about my ego. Okay. I still hope it works out for you. Good luck.

Jdoughs · 12-03-2009, 11:45 PM

If affiliates did not link into paysites how many would even rank for their own domain search?

Not many.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 12-03-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Completely untargeted.

If I'm a surfer and I wanted to find your site and I typed Her First Anal Sex into Google...I would not be satisfied until I clicked a link that took me there.
I'm not gonna be happy going to some cam site.

Would you?

I'd have to say, let whoever's paying for the clicks be the judge of that...

NetHorse · 12-03-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Leave D alone, looks like he needs that cash. Honestly, not being sarcastic. Why would a guy spend so much time on this? He has all time, no money. Live and let live, consider the cash gone.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM HEADSHOT!!!!

It's true, because the $350 he stole from an affiliate will cost him the trust of every affiliate on this forum. You would have to be a fool to promote a program that steals from affiliates, especially over such a small amount, and especially in a way like he did, (not saying anything to steal as much as possible).

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 12-03-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn!

Already moved the entire campaign over to another program and just waiting on approval.

Hey man, if he wants to cite "syphoning traffic from his brand name" as the termination, show him what some genuine brandname milking is all about.

_Richard_ · 12-03-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty D

Here is a quote from an email from Shoehorn to me lying about the keywords purchased:

You want a list of the keywords I was bidding on? None of them was the actual domain. "Crockwhore confessions" is different from "crackwhoreconfessions.com".

Are you seriously not going to pay me?

I used to think you were a pretty cool guy, but not after this.

Let me know if you're going to pay me or if I need to make a public spectacle out of this.

---

The email contains both a lie and a threat.

ok lie is one thing

he didn't threaten anything, he stated fact.

Change TOS and pay him

Libertine · 12-03-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

you better be seeing them as THIRD listing behind my index and tour pages as ONE and TWO because I work hard to keep it that way.

And believe me, on the occassions where I change stuff and they get that number one spot for a day or so while Google reshuffles...they make sales off that spot. But as long as I'm at the top...it's type-in heaven.

I can only speak from my experience. People looking specifically for Claudia Marie end up coming to me in the end one way or another. My dynamic tour is better than any free site when it comes to Claudia-Marie. Google is a place where I don't have any problems anymore, but only because I work hard to make sure of it.

And I've been expanding out to some very cool keywords lately as well.

Hell, I'll give some of y'all one of them right here...I don't mind competition cause I think I'm better lol

Check this out in Google "big tit whore"

I've been finding LOADS of keywords recently that surprised me with how big and profitable they are. And once I find 'em, I take 'em.

And no...I don't need to buy a "pretty" adword on Google to make sales.

Have you ever tried using adwords to advertise your own site?

If not, give it a try. A few hundred bucks is all it takes, and you're likely to see results since you'll be able to add a join page promo link directly to the google results - effectively adding a direct alternative to the indirect listings that are there now.

Sneakysites · 12-03-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Not a highly sought keyword????? Results 1 - 10 of about 3,240,000 for big tit whore

It's not huge, but it ain't too bad either and it's VERY HIGHLY TARGETED. Damn, even when I try to give you people a free gift you don't take it.

Sorry but do your homework man. You may "think" it's a big word but it has a volume search of 1000 use the adword tool on google it will help your SE business. Crackwhore confessions on the other hand has a 5400 result. A much more lucrative investment. Hell Claudia-Marie has a 201,000 result you might want to start a campaign on that.

I don't think you understand how PPC works. I could be wrong, but I make a living doing PPC and so far everything you've said leads me to believe you're running on old seo advice and techniques.
Glad to hear you're making money though, you could make alot more with the right tools and mind set.

Shoehorn! · 12-03-2009, 11:56 PM

I think if I don't get my money by the next show I go to, I am going to print up fliers that points to a url that redirects to this thread.

Maybe I'll have a shirt made with the url on it as well, and follow JFK around so I can be in all the pictures.

Robbie · 12-03-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

Have you ever tried using adwords to advertise your own site?

If not, give it a try. A few hundred bucks is all it takes, and you're likely to see results since you'll be able to add a join page promo link directly to the google results - effectively adding a direct alternative to the indirect listings that are there now.

Yeah, I was running some adwords campaigns in 2006. Spent about 20 grand a month (not for Claudia-Marie but another project I was doing). It was okay, I made a profit. Gaining organic spots is sooooo much better and plus it kinda feels good to see the results of your work.

Deej · 12-04-2009, 12:03 AM

Robbie, I never tried insulting you man. If I wanted to do that I wouldnt use kind words and tell you how I liked actually meeting you and your big ttited whore in person. I love huge tits. I was enthralled when I was engulfed.

When i said people have made more than you its not an insult, its the truth. You may have mad a fortune. But there are people that live and die PPC and make... MILLIONS! If you spend enough you make a ton.

Please dont misinterpret my words for insults. I dont want to insult anyone that hasnt harmed me and I am outspoken so I do my best to maintain both habits. But i simply wanted your opinion on this subject and only it.

IMO DirtyD is breaking his own rules and stealing commissions from an affiliate for his own benefit, shadily. Like you, I met DirtyD very briefly and have known him as an innovator and a good guy in the industry. I initally seen this post and assumed it was some half assed attempt at some mutual PR. But then I read it. I seen from both of their words that it was bullshit on DirtyD's side.

Sorry if youre offended but I do speak my mind on occasion and I meant no ill will.

BillyHoe · 12-04-2009, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn!

I think if I don't get my money by the next show I go to, I am going to print up fliers that points to a url that redirects to this thread.

Maybe I'll have a shirt made with the url on it as well, and follow JFK around so I can be in all the pictures.

Forkbeard · 12-04-2009, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn!

Theres no way I (or any other sane person for that matter) would put more time and effort into promoting a program that already owes them money and isn't paying.

Oddly enough Dino from SpankBuxx spent an enormous amount of effort trying to get me to take this deal. Wouldn't pay me for my old rebills -- I never did get paid for 'em -- but kept offering me awesome percentages on new sales if I'd send a bunch more traffic. He couldn't seem to understand why I wouldn't jump at this excellent opportunity.

PornMD · 12-04-2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sneakysites

Hell Claudia-Marie has a 201,000 result you might want to start a campaign on that.

No - exact on Claudia Marie is 110,000. You're looking at broad (no pun intended). Broad vs. exact is completely different...helps to use the keyword tool correctly.

Big tit whore on exact is only 260.

BillyHoe · 12-04-2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PornMD

No - exact on Claudia Marie is 110,000. You're looking at broad (no pun intended). Broad vs. exact is completely different...helps to use the keyword tool correctly.

Big tit whore on exact is only 260.

I guess he doesn't make such a great living..

Robbie · 12-04-2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyHoe

I guess he doesn't make such a great living..

yeah, I'm in the poor house.

I'm sure that all surfers go to "advanced search" and then put the words in the exact search box. Okay. If you say so. I'll go with reality and sales. You continue on with that theory. Just remember these are the same people who use google instead of the address bar. It's just what they are more comfortable with. I'll take the REAL search (or broad search as you say) anyday.

BillyHoe · 12-04-2009, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

yeah, I'm in the poor house.

I'm sure that all surfers go to "advanced search" and then put the words in the exact search box. Okay. If you say so. I'll go with reality and sales. You continue on with that theory. Just remember these are the same people who use google instead of the address bar. It's just what they are more comfortable with. I'll take the REAL search (or broad search as you say) anyday.

Don't get your panties in a bunch I wasn't talking about you ;)

Shoehorn! · 12-04-2009, 12:50 AM

PayMeDirtyD.com coming soon.

Robbie · 12-04-2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BillyHoe

Don't get your panties in a bunch I wasn't talking about you ;)

panties un-wadded

Fat Panda · 12-04-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Forwarding to the IRS as we speak....

Varius · 12-04-2009, 01:02 AM

It seems to me, this issue is pretty black and white. Many programs allow affiliates to bid on their domains or domain name keywords; many don't. If Dirty D chooses to be counted among those who forbid it, that is completely his call.

HOWEVER, if it was not a condition in the terms and the affiliate was not told about it, all legit sales until he was made aware of the fact should be paid out. I really don't see how there can be any other side to this story.

For those mentioning "spirit of the law" versus "letter of the law", that isn't relevant here; this is not an affiliate arguing he didn't see in the terms that having Filipinos commit credit card fraud all day was against the program's conditions. This is an affiliate using a popular marketing tactic that many programs DO allow, not having any reason to doubt he should be paid for it.

As for the discussion of does taking the domain name as a keyword take away type-in or organic sales from the program, my thought would be, it really depends on a lot of factors. Are you using the exact domain name, or just the exact name without the extension? If the first result for the term goes to the site's index and the PPC ad goes to a specific tour page instead and leads to sales, do you know that same person would have bought if they came to your index and not that particular tour? No, you don't. I'm sure you can come up with other situations.

Bottom line, I would allow it, but if, as a program owner, you don't wish to, just put it in your terms.

The fact it is over such a small amount of money, really lends itself this is a matter of ego more than anything else (as far as the program is concerned).

Robbie · 12-04-2009, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SAC

Forwarding to the IRS as we speak....

Don't worry brother...I pay quarterly taxes as a Limited Liability Corp.
I've paid so much money in taxes over the last 15 years that it's a crime. The government are the real thieves.

BillyHoe · 12-04-2009, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

panties un-wadded

Hopefully without stains ..lol

Fat Panda · 12-04-2009, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Don't worry brother...I pay quarterly taxes as a Limited Liability Corp.
I've paid so much money in taxes over the last 15 years that it's a crime. The government are the real thieves.

Just fucking with you....good night gfy, hope this is settled by morning!

Out

BillyHoe · 12-04-2009, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Don't worry brother...I pay quarterly taxes as a Limited Liability Corp.
I've paid so much money in taxes over the last 15 years that it's a crime. The government are the real thieves.

Just think of all the true Crackwhores you've helps with your taxes and through social aid..

Shoehorn! · 12-04-2009, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Don't worry brother...I pay quarterly taxes as a Limited Liability Corp.
I've paid so much money in taxes over the last 15 years that it's a crime. The government are the real thieves.

Theres something I agree with.

12-03-2009, 11:06 PM	#252
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	Not takin' sides - just sayin'... ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

12-03-2009, 11:08 PM	#253
Shoehorn! Die With Your Boots On Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hawaii Posts: 22,872	Six pages of most everyone saying the same thing. Dirty D, have you decided to do what everyone knows is right and pay me the money that you owe me? __________________

12-03-2009, 11:16 PM	#261
RTP aka Jimmy James Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Newport Posts: 1,335	obviously this is an sem issue and what or what not is allowed. for clarification I mentioned SEO on this thread as an example of specifically how a program can have a misunderstanding of traffic and cut an affiliate, but once everything was communicated - both parties can work together towards the same goal. i'm sure dirty d will understand that what you are doing is a benefit for him and you both will come to terms... __________________ Jimmy James ATKingdom/AMK Empire Since 1996 - My Movies Home of ATKGirlfriends - Where we take pornstars on trips...and fuck them. Connect with me on LinkedIn

12-03-2009, 11:19 PM	#262
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

12-03-2009, 11:25 PM	#266
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	Oh one other thing....on the "big tit whore" keyword you'll also notice my Grampland and Jugland sites are on the first page too. Heh-heh. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

12-03-2009, 11:00 PM	#251
Les Grossman So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: On your last nerve Posts: 1,012	So many fake nics in this thread, it's disturbing.

12-03-2009, 11:14 PM	#259
Fat Panda Porn is Dead. Move along. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 13,295	this is so fucking funny

12-03-2009, 11:21 PM	#263
Fat Panda Porn is Dead. Move along. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 13,295	Back to work, busy converting a very special program at 1:125 gfy

12-03-2009, 11:44 PM	#275
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	Good luck to you Shoehorn. I hope your crusade on here works. I don't have much more to offer. I gave you my opinion but it didn't fall in line with you so now you're talking about my ego. Okay. I still hope it works out for you. Good luck. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

12-03-2009, 11:45 PM	#276
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12-03-2009, 11:56 PM	#283
Shoehorn! Die With Your Boots On Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hawaii Posts: 22,872	I think if I don't get my money by the next show I go to, I am going to print up fliers that points to a url that redirects to this thread. Maybe I'll have a shirt made with the url on it as well, and follow JFK around so I can be in all the pictures. __________________

12-04-2009, 12:03 AM	#285
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	Robbie, I never tried insulting you man. If I wanted to do that I wouldnt use kind words and tell you how I liked actually meeting you and your big ttited whore in person. I love huge tits. I was enthralled when I was engulfed. When i said people have made more than you its not an insult, its the truth. You may have mad a fortune. But there are people that live and die PPC and make... MILLIONS! If you spend enough you make a ton. Please dont misinterpret my words for insults. I dont want to insult anyone that hasnt harmed me and I am outspoken so I do my best to maintain both habits. But i simply wanted your opinion on this subject and only it. IMO DirtyD is breaking his own rules and stealing commissions from an affiliate for his own benefit, shadily. Like you, I met DirtyD very briefly and have known him as an innovator and a good guy in the industry. I initally seen this post and assumed it was some half assed attempt at some mutual PR. But then I read it. I seen from both of their words that it was bullshit on DirtyD's side. Sorry if youre offended but I do speak my mind on occasion and I meant no ill will. __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

12-04-2009, 12:50 AM	#292
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12-04-2009, 01:02 AM	#295
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	It seems to me, this issue is pretty black and white. Many programs allow affiliates to bid on their domains or domain name keywords; many don't. If Dirty D chooses to be counted among those who forbid it, that is completely his call. HOWEVER, if it was not a condition in the terms and the affiliate was not told about it, all legit sales until he was made aware of the fact should be paid out. I really don't see how there can be any other side to this story. For those mentioning "spirit of the law" versus "letter of the law", that isn't relevant here; this is not an affiliate arguing he didn't see in the terms that having Filipinos commit credit card fraud all day was against the program's conditions. This is an affiliate using a popular marketing tactic that many programs DO allow, not having any reason to doubt he should be paid for it. As for the discussion of does taking the domain name as a keyword take away type-in or organic sales from the program, my thought would be, it really depends on a lot of factors. Are you using the exact domain name, or just the exact name without the extension? If the first result for the term goes to the site's index and the PPC ad goes to a specific tour page instead and leads to sales, do you know that same person would have bought if they came to your index and not that particular tour? No, you don't. I'm sure you can come up with other situations. Bottom line, I would allow it, but if, as a program owner, you don't wish to, just put it in your terms. The fact it is over such a small amount of money, really lends itself this is a matter of ego more than anything else (as far as the program is concerned). __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail