Is it true that sleazydream use to be a big CFO or some kind of a thing? - GoFuckYourself.com

MrMaxwell · 12-08-2009, 09:18 PM

Was he really some big deal of a CFO or assets manager or some kind of a thing?
I mean, imagine your boss writing to you in broken hopeless english every day.. did this guy really have a whole large company under him? And if so, why is he not still there? (Gee. I wonder.)

That leads to this question... how do clowns like him get away with tanking big companies and THEN go on to lose all of their friends and private investors money... and THEN still be walking around laughing like an idiot about the whole thing???

I mean, hell,
Everyone gets away with everything, these days.
The more blatantly ridiculous your mistakes, the better you fare, these days.

WHEN will people like HIM take responsibility for their actions??
WHEN will they FEEL responsible for their own actions??
WHAT will it take to rid the rest of us of human drains??

Agent 488 · 12-08-2009, 09:20 PM

he used to run an english as a second language school in winnipeg but it went bankrupt.

Loch · 12-08-2009, 09:20 PM

go away please.........

fris · 12-08-2009, 09:25 PM

why does it matter, what effect does it have on you?

Shoplifter · 12-08-2009, 09:28 PM

Bankruptcy in Canada is pretty serious. It's not like you can keep your house like in a lot of US states. I don't think he's having a good time.

MrMaxwell · 12-08-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fris

why does it matter, what effect does it have on you?

Collectively, people like him are destroying the world.
They raise children just like they are.
And like I said, collectively, they add up to a society adopting the idea of accountability being a BAD THING. And I'm sick of it. Every time I deal with ANYONE they have this, oh it happened to me, not my fault, bullshit mentality.

Agent 488 · 12-08-2009, 09:43 PM

you don't even have a job.

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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

Collectively, people like him are destroying the world.
They raise children just like they are.
And like I said, collectively, they add up to a society adopting the idea of accountability being a BAD THING. And I'm sick of it. Every time I deal with ANYONE they have this, oh it happened to me, not my fault, bullshit mentality.

Loch · 12-08-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

Collectively, people like him are destroying the world.
They raise children just like they are.
And like I said, collectively, they add up to a society adopting the idea of accountability being a BAD THING. And I'm sick of it. Every time I deal with ANYONE they have this, oh it happened to me, not my fault, bullshit mentality.

Grow the fuck up, seriously!!!
So someone goes bankrupt, what they should go hide in a fucking cave?

If you think that you have no place being self employed at all, what a sad sad comment!

People invest in all kinds of things, sometimes you win some you loose.
But when you loose its other peoples fault and you are not to blame for not either doing proper research and/or just being lazy!

Truly successful people have several failures in their past.

MrMaxwell · 12-08-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

you don't even have a job.

You're god damned right that I don't
I've worked for someone else a grand total of four months of my whole life
And I've had more steak dinners and blowjobs than you ever will
Planes, you build 'em I'll fly 'em .. jobs.. you work one while I enjoy BLOWjobs
No problem man

MrMaxwell · 12-08-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Loch

Grow the fuck up, seriously!!!
So someone goes bankrupt, what they should go hide in a fucking cave?

If you think that you have no place being self employed at all, what a sad sad comment!

People invest in all kinds of things, sometimes you win some you loose.
But when you loose its other peoples fault and you are not to blame for not either doing proper research and/or just being lazy!

Truly successful people have several failures in their past.

It's the ignorance and lack of personal accountability I can't stand
Bankruptcy is a fun useful tool to be used against the system
When used to fuck idiots dumb enough to trust your incoherent bungling ass, it's a fucked up thing. Especially if you walk away laughing and smiling with the "Duh, lolz, lost all dat monies.. they all brok. oopsie.. life is so gud YAY"

SleazyDream · 12-08-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

Collectively, people like him are destroying the world.
They raise children just like they are.
And like I said, collectively, they add up to a society adopting the idea of accountability being a BAD THING. And I'm sick of it. Every time I deal with ANYONE they have this, oh it happened to me, not my fault, bullshit mentality.

actually, without the option of bankruptcy there would be no real risk taking from real entrepreneurs...

Loch · 12-08-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

It's the ignorance and lack of personal accountability I can't stand
Bankruptcy is a fun useful tool to be used against the system
When used to fuck idiots dumb enough to trust your incoherent bungling ass, it's a fucked up thing. Especially if you walk away laughing and smiling with the "Duh, lolz, lost all dat monies.. they all brok. oopsie.. life is so gud YAY"

You clearly have no idea what bankruptcy in Canada is like first of all, secondly who?s laughing over in the sleazy camp.....i for one haven?t seen it.

You bitch like a woman scorned.

As for your usefull tool remark, yeah its fun starting a new company with zero credit anywhere.....you are on your own, completely!
No one does that for the fun of it, especially in small businesses!

SleazyDream · 12-08-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

Collectively, people like him are destroying the world.
They raise children just like they are.
And like I said, collectively, they add up to a society adopting the idea of accountability being a BAD THING. And I'm sick of it. Every time I deal with ANYONE they have this, oh it happened to me, not my fault, bullshit mentality.

there were reasons why i went bankrupt, and being for business purposes they are being pretty lenient on me, but in the end I'm responsible and liable and I am paying and living the consequences.....

Iron Fist · 12-08-2009, 11:07 PM

Baller alert!

SleazyDream · 12-08-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

Baller alert!

one can be a baller with TINY balls can't they?

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 12-08-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

It's the ignorance and lack of personal accountability I can't stand
Bankruptcy is a fun useful tool to be used against the system
When used to fuck idiots dumb enough to trust your incoherent bungling ass, it's a fucked up thing. Especially if you walk away laughing and smiling with the "Duh, lolz, lost all dat monies.. they all brok. oopsie.. life is so gud YAY"

Nice sig, troll.

Unless you have ever invested serious skin (in terms of both time and money), you have no idea what you are talking about.

No one goes into a business, investing practically all of their own time and money, without the expectation that they will succeed.

Sometimes unanticipated outside forces adversely affect you. When that happens, you stand up, brush yourself off, re-examine your strategy, and try to conduct yourself in a way which can yield a better outcome the next time.

From my view, Scott has been brutally honest. He did not have to expose his foibles for all to dissect and subject him to ridicule. On the contrary, he has provided a cautionary tale for all, and has taken responsibility for the consequences of his actions.

Fighting back, and receiving redemption, self-vindication, and the rewards of your efforts, are the main reason real entrepreneurs continue to strive, when lesser people would have already thrown in the towel.

ADG

sandman! · 12-08-2009, 11:30 PM

I heard he was a dumb Canadian that got took by scumbags in the club scene, took his fat ass for all he was worth.

charlieb · 12-08-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Nice sig, troll.

Unless you have ever invested serious skin (in terms of both time and money), you have no idea what you are talking about.

No one goes into a business, investing practically all of their own time and money, without the expectation that they will succeed.

Sometimes unanticipated outside forces adversely affect you. When that happens, you stand up, brush yourself off, re-examine your strategy, and try to conduct yourself in a way which can yield a better outcome the next time.

From my view, Scott has been brutally honest. He did not have to expose his foibles for all to dissect and subject him to ridicule. On the contrary, he has provided a cautionary tale for all, and has taken responsibility for the consequences of his actions.

Fighting back, and receiving redemption, self-vindication, and the rewards of your efforts, are the main reason real entrepreneurs continue to strive, when lesser people would have already thrown in the towel.

ADG

Well said

2012 · 12-09-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

one can be a baller with TINY balls can't they?

Waddymelon · 12-09-2009, 12:03 AM

That poutine sure is some tasty shit.

12-09-2009, 12:19 AM

Says the guy asking for ways to make money so he can get to California because he has a hunch that he'll be rich and famous selling used washer and dryers on Ebay.

Sleazy, although can't spell for shit, has done more, and will be more, than you will ever be, just in a short time... Welcome to failure kido.

DaddyHalbucks · 12-09-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

From my view, Scott has been brutally honest. He did not have to expose his foibles for all to dissect and subject him to ridicule. On the contrary, he has provided a cautionary tale for all, and has taken responsibility for the consequences of his actions.

I give Scott alot of credit for that.

V_RocKs · 12-09-2009, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by charlieb

Well said

I miss you!

charlieb · 12-09-2009, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I miss you!

same here Jay

RTP · 12-09-2009, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Nice sig, troll.

Fighting back, and receiving redemption, self-vindication, and the rewards of your efforts, are the main reason real entrepreneurs continue to strive, when lesser people would have already thrown in the towel.

ADG

You got that right...very nice

JFK · 12-09-2009, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Nice sig, troll.

Unless you have ever invested serious skin (in terms of both time and money), you have no idea what you are talking about.

No one goes into a business, investing practically all of their own time and money, without the expectation that they will succeed.

Sometimes unanticipated outside forces adversely affect you. When that happens, you stand up, brush yourself off, re-examine your strategy, and try to conduct yourself in a way which can yield a better outcome the next time.

From my view, Scott has been brutally honest. He did not have to expose his foibles for all to dissect and subject him to ridicule. On the contrary, he has provided a cautionary tale for all, and has taken responsibility for the consequences of his actions.

Fighting back, and receiving redemption, self-vindication, and the rewards of your efforts, are the main reason real entrepreneurs continue to strive, when lesser people would have already thrown in the towel.

ADG

Good one, once again ADG

AaliyahLove · 12-09-2009, 02:23 AM

you are right MrMaxwell, crazy people are destroying the world..and GFY.
Crazy people who say things like what you said in this thread:

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...%2 7s+threads

"My god, man,
If I could post a video and have any one of my enemies kill himself. . shit .. in a HEARTBEAT .. even better would be if I could flip a switch and kill loved ones my enemy has .. I'm dead fucking serious.. I am a good hearted angel of a man to good people especially the very select few close to me and I've never bailed on anyone in my life.. but if you my enemy, you earned it, you really fucked up hard with me ... and I have good reason for considering you to be so .. at that point, no return, I want you to lose your whole family in a car accident, your balls cut off, your eyes gouged out... That's just being a good business man
Enemies fuck these niggas they ain't even human beings. They're electricity and flesh I want to cause suffering for."

12-09-2009, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

You're god damned right that I don't
I've worked for someone else a grand total of four months of my whole life
And I've had more steak dinners and blowjobs than you ever will
Planes, you build 'em I'll fly 'em .. jobs.. you work one while I enjoy BLOWjobs
No problem man

i guess this is an actual case of blowjob better than no job?

neonlights · 12-09-2009, 03:01 AM

it appears the thread has backfired on OP.

Max_PuZcash · 12-09-2009, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

Collectively, people like him are destroying the world.

Maybe you need some love

Raf1 · 12-09-2009, 03:16 AM

I'm sure he'll bounce back, but 99% of the haters here will still be broke in many years time. That's just GFY

maxjohan · 12-09-2009, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by fris

why does it matter, what effect does it have on you?

It effects the complete society.

Maddoch, as example. Ball stole a lot of$$$$ :

(

maxjohan · 12-09-2009, 06:36 AM

How big is your investments, playa?

And how thick is the skin of U.rs.

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Nice sig, troll.

Nice to start off like this get to prove some lame ass points on a messageboard.

People on this board are so full of themself.

Fine, most of the members here will spend the remaing of life on this
dumbass board.

maxjohan · 12-09-2009, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Loch

You bitch like a woman

When a Man bitch they don't bitch like a woman? Do they?

MrMaxwell · 12-09-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by neonlights

it appears the thread has backfired on OP.

I don't think so.. Outside of someone quoting something I said when I was drunk (that still makes sense, to me) and sleazy coming in to say something that was unintelligible.. I think it went okay.

I have to agree with the idiots giving the guy credit for having the balls to stand up and put it all on the table for everyone to see.

If you clowns believe everything the guy said when he described how he tanked everything, and you're still supportive of him in any way, you're hopeless

Sleazy.. it's not even that you did what you did.. it's your attitude
"Oh, hell, it's so hard for me, so it's okay.. and by the way, I'm just enjoying life since I've forgotten everyone I hurt. Because it's so damned hard on me, and I am willing not to hide it and tell everything off when someone has threatened to out me anyway, so it is okay!!"

Loch · 12-09-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AaliyahLove

you are right MrMaxwell, crazy people are destroying the world..and GFY.
Crazy people who say things like what you said in this thread:

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...%2 7s+threads

"My god, man,
If I could post a video and have any one of my enemies kill himself. . shit .. in a HEARTBEAT .. even better would be if I could flip a switch and kill loved ones my enemy has .. I'm dead fucking serious.. I am a good hearted angel of a man to good people especially the very select few close to me and I've never bailed on anyone in my life.. but if you my enemy, you earned it, you really fucked up hard with me ... and I have good reason for considering you to be so .. at that point, no return, I want you to lose your whole family in a car accident, your balls cut off, your eyes gouged out... That's just being a good business man
Enemies fuck these niggas they ain't even human beings. They're electricity and flesh I want to cause suffering for."

Why the hell has he not been banned for that would be my question?

candyflip · 12-09-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Killswitch

Says the guy asking for ways to make money so he can get to California because he has a hunch that he'll be rich and famous selling used washer and dryers on Ebay.

Sleazy, although can't spell for shit, has done more, and will be more, than you will ever be, just in a short time... Welcome to failure kido.

Coming from a kid like yourself, that's a pretty funny statement right there.

L-Pink · 12-09-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Nice sig, troll.

Unless you have ever invested serious skin (in terms of both time and money), you have no idea what you are talking about.

No one goes into a business, investing practically all of their own time and money, without the expectation that they will succeed.

Sometimes unanticipated outside forces adversely affect you. When that happens, you stand up, brush yourself off, re-examine your strategy, and try to conduct yourself in a way which can yield a better outcome the next time.

From my view, Scott has been brutally honest. He did not have to expose his foibles for all to dissect and subject him to ridicule. On the contrary, he has provided a cautionary tale for all, and has taken responsibility for the consequences of his actions.

Fighting back, and receiving redemption, self-vindication, and the rewards of your efforts, are the main reason real entrepreneurs continue to strive, when lesser people would have already thrown in the towel.

ADG

Another good post by ADG .....

.

12-09-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

Coming from a kid like yourself, that's a pretty funny statement right there.

Go steal more of Fletch's galleries and resell them, perfect time with him out due to his wife having a kid, you could probably get 10 or so sold before he notices!

GO GO GO!!

_Richard_ · 12-09-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoplifter

Bankruptcy in Canada is pretty serious. It's not like you can keep your house like in a lot of US states. I don't think he's having a good time.

AaliyahLove · 12-09-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Loch

Why the hell has he not been banned for that would be my question?

I dunno?

Basic_man · 12-09-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

there were reasons why i went bankrupt, and being for business purposes they are being pretty lenient on me, but in the end I'm responsible and liable and I am paying and living the consequences.....

Well said !!

goldfish · 12-09-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Loch

Why the hell has he not been banned for that would be my question?

That's what I am wondering!

I don't know Sleazy, but from what I have read, he has resilience(sp?). He's had more shit thrown at him than most in this biz will in a lifetime, yet, he is pushing his way through, making a new way for himself and being responsible. He hasn't had tried to hide behind fake nics, and play the deny game. He has stepped up, laid everything on the table and said this is it, take it or leave it.

That says and means a lot more about a person than some troll ever could.

SleazyDream · 12-09-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by goldfish

That's what I am wondering!

I don't know Sleazy, but from what I have read, he has resilience(sp?). He's had more shit thrown at him than most in this biz will in a lifetime, yet, he is pushing his way through, making a new way for himself and being responsible. He hasn't had tried to hide behind fake nics, and play the deny game. He has stepped up, laid everything on the table and said this is it, take it or leave it.

That says and means a lot more about a person than some troll ever could.

i don't know what to say - thanks guys...

i'm just me.....

Vendot · 12-10-2009, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

actually, without the option of bankruptcy there would be no real risk taking from real entrepreneurs...

Not even with a limited company?

the Shemp · 12-10-2009, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendot

Not even with a limited company?

"Personal Guarantee"

Definition:
Promise made by an entrepreneur which obligates him/her to personally repay debts his/her corporation defaults on.

San · 12-10-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

he used to run an english as a second language school in winnipeg but it went bankrupt.

campimp · 12-10-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AaliyahLove

you are right MrMaxwell, crazy people are destroying the world..and GFY.
Crazy people who say things like what you said in this thread:

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...%2 7s+threads

"My god, man,
If I could post a video and have any one of my enemies kill himself. . shit .. in a HEARTBEAT .. even better would be if I could flip a switch and kill loved ones my enemy has .. I'm dead fucking serious.. I am a good hearted angel of a man to good people especially the very select few close to me and I've never bailed on anyone in my life.. but if you my enemy, you earned it, you really fucked up hard with me ... and I have good reason for considering you to be so .. at that point, no return, I want you to lose your whole family in a car accident, your balls cut off, your eyes gouged out... That's just being a good business man
Enemies fuck these niggas they ain't even human beings. They're electricity and flesh I want to cause suffering for."

i love the way he threw in there that "That's just being a good business man"

slapass · 12-10-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoplifter

Bankruptcy in Canada is pretty serious. It's not like you can keep your house like in a lot of US states. I don't think he's having a good time.

But evidently he can keep domains worth much more then the amount discharged. Also collect a salary to run said domains. Doesn't sound that serious to me. You can do some pretty shady stuff in the states during bankruptcies too so maybe it is just the way they work.

SleazyDream · 12-10-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendot

Not even with a limited company?

a lot of creditors will not lend to a limited company without personal backing.

yes i had one but I had to personally back the loans

think about it - would you lend to someone who could walk away easily?

12-08-2009, 09:18 PM	#1
MrMaxwell Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10,057	Is it true that sleazydream use to be a big CFO or some kind of a thing? Was he really some big deal of a CFO or assets manager or some kind of a thing? I mean, imagine your boss writing to you in broken hopeless english every day.. did this guy really have a whole large company under him? And if so, why is he not still there? (Gee. I wonder.) That leads to this question... how do clowns like him get away with tanking big companies and THEN go on to lose all of their friends and private investors money... and THEN still be walking around laughing like an idiot about the whole thing??? I mean, hell, Everyone gets away with everything, these days. The more blatantly ridiculous your mistakes, the better you fare, these days. WHEN will people like HIM take responsibility for their actions?? WHEN will they FEEL responsible for their own actions?? WHAT will it take to rid the rest of us of human drains??

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Killswitch - BANNED FOR LIFE Guest Posts: n/a	Says the guy asking for ways to make money so he can get to California because he has a hunch that he'll be rich and famous selling used washer and dryers on Ebay. Sleazy, although can't spell for shit, has done more, and will be more, than you will ever be, just in a short time... Welcome to failure kido.

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AaliyahLove Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: AaliyahLove.com Posts: 2,722	you are right MrMaxwell, crazy people are destroying the world..and GFY. Crazy people who say things like what you said in this thread: http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...%2 7s+threads "My god, man, If I could post a video and have any one of my enemies kill himself. . shit .. in a HEARTBEAT .. even better would be if I could flip a switch and kill loved ones my enemy has .. I'm dead fucking serious.. I am a good hearted angel of a man to good people especially the very select few close to me and I've never bailed on anyone in my life.. but if you my enemy, you earned it, you really fucked up hard with me ... and I have good reason for considering you to be so .. at that point, no return, I want you to lose your whole family in a car accident, your balls cut off, your eyes gouged out... That's just being a good business man Enemies fuck these niggas they ain't even human beings. They're electricity and flesh I want to cause suffering for." __________________ www.AaliyahLove.CamModels.Com Last edited by AaliyahLove; 12-09-2009 at 02:25 AM..

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