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Agent 488 · 12-11-2009, 09:51 AM

as usual the so-called expert doc is wrong again. anyone actually take that guy serious?

NetHorse · 12-11-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

as usual the so-called expert doc is wrong again. anyone actually take that guy serious?

No, the guy gets stoned and thinks he's a brainy genius. Anything from politics to tube sites, he knows it all.

TheDoc · 12-11-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

as usual the so-called expert doc is wrong again. anyone actually take that guy serious?

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Originally Posted by NetHorse

No, the guy gets stoned and thinks he's a brainy genius. Anything from politics to tube sites, he knows it all.

Coming from trolls, I take this as compliments..

J. Falcon · 12-11-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse

No, the guy gets stoned and thinks he's a brainy genius. Anything from politics to tube sites, he knows it all.

That was pretty funny.

discountencoding · 12-11-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Pretty wild.

How do they make money?

Same question.

weekly · 12-11-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Shemp showed us this one:

http://www.livereviews.com/

best thing I have seen this year

SubAms · 12-12-2009, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

One of the largest paysite programs in our Industry monetizes more ways than anyone, and they are about as honest as it comes, no complaints, etc. I'm really sure you don't know what I'm talking about..... but EB does.

Monetizing is far different from lieing, conning and abusing customers.
Noone minds honesty and that's why they'd have no complaints.
It sounds as though you don't know what I'm talking about

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Btw, I don't have to worry about review sites, I don't let them review me. See, review sites skew the truth, they don't 'sell' your site how it should be, and they inject opinion as to what they fell is good or bad - opinions that do not match the feelings of my member base.

Like you're injecting your opinions on something that doesn't even concern you? seeing as you don't even have your sites reviewed.
I can't see this one skewing the truth or trying to "sell" the sites. They're just showing what's involved in the signup process and that the sites have what they state on the tours. They're showing that sites CAN be trustworthy. There's no way that's a bad thing.

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Personally, I find review site traffic to be less quality than illegal tube traffic, difference is it's easier to get on review sites.

I can only say for my sites but with most review sites sending ratios of less than 1:100 and some at less than 1:20, regularly, I find that statement pretty funny. I just wish some of them had more of that worse quality quality traffic.
Maybe you, or their surfers, don't like what the reviewers say about your sites?

pocketkangaroo · 12-12-2009, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Arnox

The problem with this is you're not actually a surfer. You wouldn't spend half an hour online looking for the 'perfect' one to join because you probably have better things to do with your time on the PC.

There are millions of people out there who devote 10+ hours a day playing online video games, chances are they're not going to be fussed about 30 minutes of a website review.

I agree with you. It's for a particular surfer. I'm just pointing out that I don't think they really compete with the majority of review sites. Their target audience is hardcore porn fans who are looking for in-depth reviews. A lot of review sites are looking for search traffic for any number of phrases. They're not making sales necessarily on people looking for reviews (they still do), but on people searching for "sitename pics" or "sitename aurora snow scene".

I do think there are different kinds of people who read reviews too. I'm someone who prefers to skim so I'm not a huge fan of video reviews where you kind of have to watch the whole thing to get what you want.

In any event it'll cater to a particular set of surfers but I don't think it's really competition for text review sites who are using their reviews as a means of bringing in search traffic.

TheDoc · 12-12-2009, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SubAms

Monetizing is far different from lieing, conning and abusing customers.
Noone minds honesty and that's why they'd have no complaints.
It sounds as though you don't know what I'm talking about

If I remember correctly they said they would point out xsales, and crap... that isn't conning or abusing, it's legit sales. Cancel offer emails, legit emails...

All of that, does not need to be pointed out, it's ALL legit.... but it damn well appears to be getting pointed out.

So you're theory is wrong.

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Originally Posted by SubAms

Like you're injecting your opinions on something that doesn't even concern you? seeing as you don't even have your sites reviewed.

What makes you think it doesn't concern me? Simply because my sites aren't reviewed (I won't allow them to review me) but that doesn't mean my client sites aren't or won't be.

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Originally Posted by SubAms

I can't see this one skewing the truth or trying to "sell" the sites. They're just showing what's involved in the signup process and that the sites have what they state on the tours. They're showing that sites CAN be trustworthy. There's no way that's a bad thing.

Review sites do skew the truth, they do not sell the paysite.... 90% of the reviews on review sites do not correctly reflect what the paysite is selling.

Simply because you show the tour in the video, doesn't mean you're selling what the tour states. Actually, we can see that they aren't doing that already but being video it could easily change.

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Originally Posted by SubAms

I can only say for my sites but with most review sites sending ratios of less than 1:100 and some at less than 1:20, regularly, I find that statement pretty funny. I just wish some of them had more of that worse quality quality traffic.
Maybe you, or their surfers, don't like what the reviewers say about your sites?

I have converted illegal piracy traffic at 1:10 before with over 100 sales in a day, every day for months, to a single paysite.

It's not like that is king either...

Don't think I'm hating on this review site, because it's THIS review site... oh nooooooooo. I have been the #1 hater of review sites from day one. I was the first program with rules and I banned many review sites, and I have said over and over, don't let them control your reviews - they will change them but you have to ask.... and it's pretty clear cut, review sites don't have a clue about paysites..

Paul Markham · 12-12-2009, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GeXus

Paul it must be nice living in fantasy land. How's the weather?

It sounds very noble to speak of "educating the buyer", etc. But let's get down to brass tacks, money is made on the ignorant, not the educated. It has nothing to do with trust or credibility, that's been thrown out the window long ago, now the battle is with free content. I think you can guess who will win. This isn't mainstream. People pay for services like Netflix/Blockbuster/Amazon onDemand because their service is just far superior to finding ripped movies, waiting for the download, sacrificing quality, risk getting thrown in jail... This isn't the case in porn. Not to mention I'm not watching a 2 hour porn movie, I'm watching a 5min clip, jerking off, going to sleep.

Sadly every time the buyer feels he's been let down on what he's bought he gets more educated. Maybe it's the attitude that we don't educate him that has led him to give up buying.

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The reviews are too mechanical IMO.

As was stated above - what about the content?

The first review mentioned was Rachel Aziani so I sat through it and it didn't tell me shit abotu the site other than the download speed, really.

What a surfer really needs to know about that site is a) Rachel is fucking hot. b) Rachel has amazing jugs that you get to see bouncing all over the place. c) Rachel runs the site herself and she's a doll. d) Rachel does some hardcore with her hubby and it's awesome. d) Rachel also does a lot of solo stuff and it's lava hot in the following ways: a, b, c, etc.

What you have here is a movie review site that doesn't tell you shit about the movie beyond its running time and the size of the theatre you can see it in.

Agreed and hopefully the will change this.

Paul Markham · 12-12-2009, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I'm not knocking.... I like the idea, but I have to ask.

Are you going to be pointing out the ways websites monetize themselves? Like xsales, one clicks, upgrades, showing they have upsells, and in-house email marketing?

I'm not talking shady stuff, just normal marketing.

I know some people will support this, but in reality it slits the paysite owners throat telling the surfer about it.

Any affiliate program not doing it, isn't really that big... just cutting the bullshit, so wondering where you stand on such an important topic with review sites now?

Somewhere this business has gone VERY VERY wrong. Telling the buyer about things he wishes to avoid is a good thing for the buyer and keeps him buying.

This business is not based on the millions of surfers, it's based on the very tiny percentage of buyers. Every time one of them decides to stop risking his CC or email address on a site that wants to squeeze him that percentage gets smaller.

Paul Markham · 12-12-2009, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Coming from trolls, I take this as compliments..

I'm someone who has been in the business over 30 years and still in business after a year that would have closed most other people. I think those trolls are spot on. Disapointing a buyer in no way to sustain an industry.

TheDoc · 12-12-2009, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I'm someone who has been in the business over 30 years and still in business after a year that would have closed most other people. I think those trolls are spot on. Disapointing a buyer in no way to sustain an industry.

Clearly you didn't read what I said... I'm 100% talking about telling the buyer the absolute truth, actually doing a real review of the paysite based on what the paysite is selling... vs. the opinion of the reviewer of the members area.

I have made it more than clear covering scams or scam billing methods, whatever you want to call it, is perfectly fine.

Only a marketing buffoon would think up selling a member, in legit ways is bad, and/or should ever be covered in review video about a paysite....

TheDoc · 12-12-2009, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Somewhere this business has gone VERY VERY wrong. Telling the buyer about things he wishes to avoid is a good thing for the buyer and keeps him buying.

This business is not based on the millions of surfers, it's based on the very tiny percentage of buyers. Every time one of them decides to stop risking his CC or email address on a site that wants to squeeze him that percentage gets smaller.

You have no idea what the surfer wishes to avoid.. It's not like you actually montetize these ways and can actually make any input on the subject..

If members hated them so much, your cb's would show it, your refunds would show it, your retention would show it... your complains would show it. Your bank account wouldn't show what it does showing that the members not only want it, accept it, buy it, like it and ask for more.

When you build a relationship with people and sell them bad ass shit.... you can sell them, and sell them, and sell them, and sell them.... that's how it REALLY works.

And either because you're old or like the others and not actually educated or trained in actual marketing methods that work... but you do like to sit here and pretend that you do when others have a proven history of it working, all over the Industry.

Paul Markham · 12-12-2009, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Clearly you didn't read what I said... I'm 100% talking about telling the buyer the absolute truth, actually doing a real review of the paysite based on what the paysite is selling... vs. the opinion of the reviewer of the members area.

I have made it more than clear covering scams or scam billing methods, whatever you want to call it, is perfectly fine.

Only a marketing buffoon would think up selling a member, in legit ways is bad, and/or should ever be covered in review video about a paysite....

If this business had been so honest in dealing with it's customer base it would have more customers. Porn buyers are mostly repeat buyers they buy month after month, ask any porn shop or mail order porn company. Keeping this buyer happy should be paramount because he's the guy who puts food on the table.

If telling him him about the way a site monetizes itself puts him off from buying from that site he buys from another site. He does not stop buying. Doing things to him that he wishes to avoid eventually stops him buying completely.

Yes I with you point about review sites having reviews by people not into buying or even understanding the niche and too often being a webmasters review. But all reviews are based on the opinion of the reviewer be it film, restaurant or what ever.

Paul Markham · 12-12-2009, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

And either because you're old or like the others and not actually educated or trained in actual marketing methods that work... but you do like to sit here and pretend that you do when others have a proven history of it working, all over the Industry.

Yes you're right. For 30 years I've been doing it all wrong.

TheDoc · 12-12-2009, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If this business had been so honest in dealing with it's customer base it would have more customers. Porn buyers are mostly repeat buyers they buy month after month, ask any porn shop or mail order porn company. Keeping this buyer happy should be paramount because he's the guy who puts food on the table.

If telling him him about the way a site monetizes itself puts him off from buying from that site he buys from another site. He does not stop buying. Doing things to him that he wishes to avoid eventually stops him buying completely.

Yes I with you point about review sites having reviews by people not into buying or even understanding the niche and too often being a webmasters review. But all reviews are based on the opinion of the reviewer be it film, restaurant or what ever.

A review... is about a product or thing... If I'm selling the largest red apples ever, and you review them and simply taste them and say blah, these aren't the best... and you write how my apples just aren't as good as Joes Apples or how you like your Apples, that isn't a review - it's an opinion.

When you like something and you review it, you want others to taste it... even if the places is a shit hole, they said they had the best buggers and dammit, they do! P.S. Watch out they try up sell you Beer!

Selling the buyer what the site offers, sells more people.... because more people are willing to buy than you're giving them credit for, probably because your not selling them at all, most paysites don't.

TheDoc · 12-12-2009, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes you're right. For 30 years I've been doing it all wrong.

For 30 years you have been selling content.... content isn't selling like it once did. Now you have to sell the people, you have to monetize in ways, that cover the holes you lost. And it works.

10 years ago damn near anything sold online... not just in porn, anything. Today, you can't toss up crap to just anything, and make money, in any niche. You have to build relationships or know what people are buying and connect people to that.

Thinking this is only porn buyers (not buying because of whatever theory you have) because it's the world you see, is your mistake, this is global, every market, every industry, every niche online.

salvo visalli · 12-12-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

They are affiliates. Just like everybody else. But they dressed up the "review site" gimmick the way it SHOULD be done. It even makes me feel it's "legit" But yeah, they are affiliates. Just very, very nicely done.

man, i already told you on pimpin: i like you!!

raven1083 · 12-12-2009, 08:24 AM

pretty interesting.Thanks for the effort

EscortBiz · 12-12-2009, 08:41 AM

Again thanks for the positive comments!

To the Doc and many others, The review site situation has become a mess both user based reviews or some private reviewers review. If you strictly rely on review sites before buying something to eat, one would starve to death. What I mean by this is, if you ever tried to look up reviews to restaurants, one guy says it’s great the other says it’s terrible and the end user cannot make a decision. The truth is both of the comments may be truth but so many things is a personal taste. The sites featuring stars (3 ½ stars out of 5) again just confusion.

It’s like mainstream movie reviews, pick a movie you like and look up reviews, you’ll see that tons of people will say it was boring and bad etc. Same goes if you look up hotels to stay in etc. User comments should be called “ConfUser comments”. In addition as the FTC recently revealed (no surprise there) that many of the user comments at least the positive ones they investigated where bullshit created by the company owners themselves. (And if you see some of the negative restaurant reviews, its obvious that the 5000 word detailed negative review was left by the competition).

So the only way to review an adult site and be as fair as possible, is to show the user exactly what’s up and let them make a decision. That’s why there is no star ratings or score ratings on the site or user comments, because if you show someone exactly what’s up, there is no need for anyone else’s input or personal score.

The goal of this site is not to BS the surfer and make a quick buck, the goal is simple “build trust”, and by telling them upfront what to expect they feel confident whipping out their card, you take away that fear they might have of joining because of a bad prior experience or because of something they heard or read somewhere.

See many here feel that by telling a surfer about a hidden checkbox or that a site will bomb you with emails within 2 weeks of joining, it will make one not join, but that is FALSE. It will actually create joins, the surfer now knows what to do, he knows not to use his main email address etc. Right now in this economy the last thing you want is someone being “not sure” about a potential purchase, the result will be “no purchase”. (500+ emails is screwed up, imagine if the guy joined using his companies email account).

It’s a time when people are more careful with their money, by now every surfer has heard 5000 online scam stories from friends or from the news, if you show them the truth, the results will be very positive.

As far as reading over watching, well there is a market for both, and with people getting lazier by the day more will prefer to watch, and sometimes readers turn into watchers. So many people who would once read how to guides for Photoshop etc, now will first try to see a video, same goes with electronic product reviews, if you know about cnet that is your first stop. If this will apply to adult site reviews I don’t know, the surfer feedback so far has been EXTREMLY positive. We use wowza streaming and that makes it easier for the surfer to skip thru the review (you can do it with many other solutions other than wowza too).

The goal is simple, be honest with the surfer, don’t confuse them, work with website owners to make sure you are being 100% fair, and help site owners get signups they would otherwise not get.

LoveSandra · 12-12-2009, 08:55 AM

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TheDoc · 12-12-2009, 09:24 AM

Thanks EscortBiz....

I'm all for pointing out bad billing methods, as stated... But why not just avoid promoting those type of programs all together? Maybe make a list of non-reviews of straight up bad companies, with no links?

It is nice to see you guys aren't going to necessarily focus on our billing practices that are legit but because so many here don't understand them, they get a bad rep.

I recommend you check with programs before you tell the surfer they can use an alt email address. That takes away value from the paysite and creates support problems down the road and possible account lookup issues for access, billing, etc.

Members have a hard enough time remember billing/login details, let alone some new random email address.

It's not like review sites have the best retention.... that really isn't a secret, and it isn't because of a loyal fan base, fan base traffic isn't new. It's because reviews, don't actually sell the member based on what the paysite is actually selling them, they sell them based on opinions that shape the surfers desires away from the niche.

I really don't want to see your review site fall into that category of other review sites, but with a video.

I really do like the concept and idea of your review site, I'm sure surfers love it. I have no reason to not want this to work, it benefits me more if it does succeed.

Agent 488 · 12-12-2009, 09:38 AM

so people wont sign up for sites that bang their cc and send them a million spam emails. suck it it princess. it will just provide more business to those who provide a better consumer experience.

you have some seriously messed up perceptions if you think that a review site is a bigger threat that complaint boards filled with thousands of posts about shady porn sites. idiot.

EscortBiz · 12-12-2009, 09:48 AM

"I recommend you check with programs before you tell the surfer they can use an alt email address. That takes away value from the paysite and creates support problems down the road and possible account lookup issues for access, billing, etc."

good point doc already working on rewording for that section, as a paysite owner myself I can see this being a problem

Paul Markham · 12-12-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

A review... is about a product or thing... If I'm selling the largest red apples ever, and you review them and simply taste them and say blah, these aren't the best... and you write how my apples just aren't as good as Joes Apples or how you like your Apples, that isn't a review - it's an opinion.

When you like something and you review it, you want others to taste it... even if the places is a shit hole, they said they had the best buggers and dammit, they do! P.S. Watch out they try up sell you Beer!

Selling the buyer what the site offers, sells more people.... because more people are willing to buy than you're giving them credit for, probably because your not selling them at all, most paysites don't.

Welcome to the real world, what's the weather like where you live?

your comments on reviews apply to every single review and critique written. They are always the opinion of the reviewer. Wonder why you had to point it out.

Blazing · 12-12-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

Again thanks for the positive comments!

To the Doc and many others, The review site situation has become a mess both user based reviews or some private reviewers review. If you strictly rely on review sites before buying something to eat, one would starve to death. What I mean by this is, if you ever tried to look up reviews to restaurants, one guy says it?s great the other says it?s terrible and the end user cannot make a decision. The truth is both of the comments may be truth but so many things is a personal taste. The sites featuring stars (3 ½ stars out of 5) again just confusion.

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Can you please contact me regarding one of our reviews?? I sent email and an ICQ message on Fri... thanks in advance....

TheDoc · 12-12-2009, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Welcome to the real world, what's the weather like where you live?

your comments on reviews apply to every single review and critique written. They are always the opinion of the reviewer. Wonder why you had to point it out.

I bring up opinions because review sites aren't currently reviewing what they should be, they're injecting mass opinion in areas that they aren't experts in.

First, our Industry pays for the reviews... Two, our reviewers aren't experts in all the niches they review.

A food critic doesn't review fast food and fine foods. He also doesn't comment on the small portions at higher end places, and he doesn't comment about not having food courses at lower end places The fine wine guy, isn't reviewing the local dive bars cheap imported wine, and saying that's the place to get cheap wine. People reviewing a 300 million dollar movie, don't review in the same light as a low production movie.

These people also fully use and experience the entire thing, taste it, fully enjoy it, more often than not are in the niche-experts in it, and don't jump around just to cover every possible thing to review.

Our review sites are extremely different...

weekly · 12-12-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

And either because you're old or like the others and not actually educated or trained in actual marketing methods that work... but you do like to sit here and pretend that you do when others have a proven history of it working, all over the Industry.

That was pretty funny. You lose.

San · 12-12-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GeXus

By the time it takes to pick a site and watch a review, I could have signed up from a text review site, jerked off, and canceled membership...

Exaclty.

I got bored to death 10 sec into reviews.

Paul Markham · 12-12-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

Again thanks for the positive comments!

To the Doc and many others, The review site situation has become a mess both user based reviews or some private reviewers review. If you strictly rely on review sites before buying something to eat, one would starve to death. What I mean by this is, if you ever tried to look up reviews to restaurants, one guy says it’s great the other says it’s terrible and the end user cannot make a decision. The truth is both of the comments may be truth but so many things is a personal taste. The sites featuring stars (3 ½ stars out of 5) again just confusion.

It’s like mainstream movie reviews, pick a movie you like and look up reviews, you’ll see that tons of people will say it was boring and bad etc. Same goes if you look up hotels to stay in etc. User comments should be called “ConfUser comments”. In addition as the FTC recently revealed (no surprise there) that many of the user comments at least the positive ones they investigated where bullshit created by the company owners themselves. (And if you see some of the negative restaurant reviews, its obvious that the 5000 word detailed negative review was left by the competition).

So the only way to review an adult site and be as fair as possible, is to show the user exactly what’s up and let them make a decision. That’s why there is no star ratings or score ratings on the site or user comments, because if you show someone exactly what’s up, there is no need for anyone else’s input or personal score.

The goal of this site is not to BS the surfer and make a quick buck, the goal is simple “build trust”, and by telling them upfront what to expect they feel confident whipping out their card, you take away that fear they might have of joining because of a bad prior experience or because of something they heard or read somewhere.

Then you have to find reviewers who are into what they are reviewing and buying porn to consume. Otherwise you have a vegetarian reviewing a steak house. Yes tell the surfer if he's getting the quantity promised, downloads smoothly, in full length or 1 minute clips.

All this can be done very fast then give the surfer an opinion of the content and tell them it's your opinion. Is it believable or fake, produced in an inventive way or the same as 100 of other sites, are the girls pretty or not, teen or not (if teen or milf or etc) and avoid niches you know little about. Build trust in the surfer by reviewing what you understand and you will build buyers on your site a lot quicker.

Of course the saddest reply would be you can't find people who understand the porn they are reviewing. Sad reflection on the industry.

MORE POWER TO YOU ESPECIALLY IN LISTING SITES WITH LESS THAN HONEST PRACTICES. THIS WILL BENEFIT THE MAJORITY.

San · 12-12-2009, 11:38 AM

This review site will lose money.

VforVendetta · 12-12-2009, 11:41 AM

Very good! But it's doesn't SEO without text

JustDaveXxx · 12-12-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by San

This review site will lose money.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! And Ibill is trusted and is gonna make money again? Too funny!!!

JustDaveXxx · 12-12-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

MORE POWER TO YOU ESPECIALLY IN LISTING SITES WITH LESS THAN HONEST PRACTICES. THIS WILL BENEFIT THE MAJORITY.

How do you know whats good when you dont have the bad and shady to compare it too?

Good looks that much better compared to bad and shady thats why everybody gets reviewed. Whats there and is not there gets pointed out. The buyer and the surfer are a lot smarter than what people on this board give them credit for.

Paul Markham · 12-12-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

The buyer and the surfer are a lot smarter than A LOT OF people on this board WHEN IT COMES TO PORN.

I made a necessary alteration.

EscortBiz · 12-12-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Blazing

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Can you please contact me regarding one of our reviews?? I sent email and an ICQ message on Fri... thanks in advance....

Hi

responded friday and also icq'ed you now

EscortBiz · 12-12-2009, 12:45 PM

I got many ICQ’s asking me about people involved etc. And it’s only fair to thank those those who many here know.

Dave / JustDaveXXX – Well the idea is old but without the right crew its impossible to make this happen, and in this economy you can’t really hire guys that have one skill only. Dave pretty much is multi talented, from production to set design to working with agents and models and most importantly overseeing the ideas, getting real feedback and sharing it with the editors, reviewers etc. His girlfriend has been a huge help in this project too. The domain was purchased years ago with the intent of doing this, but I knew I can only do so much for a project like this.

Joe AMA – Great with all types of ideas, shot BTS and will soon be doing other interesting reviews, you’ll have to see it to believe it. Always there to throw in a good tip and comment.

BillyB – Shooting some intors where the girls are topless was his idea and already with the little traffic we got we got a few emails asking if there is a list somewhere of all topless reviews lol. He makes sure the talent is nice and calm, and operates a crucial part of the production so that even those who can barley read sound pretty good, great team player.

Tereese – Amazing makeup artists, sometimes did some serious magic, been in this industry forever and very dedicated and very creative.

Falcon – Adult Copywriters – I use to call the guy overpriced, the amount of dedication and the crazy deadlines they have to meet is insane but it gets done, because it’s a team effort you cant really have a shoot or other aspects of the review done without the proper writing and data entry etc. Id say he’s under priced but I don’t want him upping his fees on me, but seriously listens and makes even the complex happen. Its not just writing they are helping with.

Konrad – after going thru many so called streaming / ffmpeg / tube experts, this guy came in and layed the law down, straight to the point tells you the bad and the good and works long hours to get stuff done.

Oxeo – Besides mike being very hands on and understanding the needs, the team there (to many to name) really did whatever possible and still does to make things happen correctly. Not just basic server setups, but security issues, and streaming issues and so many other things, thanks to them and the entire team there.

Talent Agencies – To many to name but Type9 spent a great deal of time working with us, mark spiegler saved the day many times, CamSmith, and so many other agents, truly help in making lots of the shoots happen.

The many models – some not listed but here are a few - Andy San Dimas, Ashley Fires, Bobbi Starr, Brooke Haven, Bridget B, Charley Chase, Emma Heart, Eva Delatosso, Jenny Hendrix, Juelz Ventura,, Jessica Lynn, London Keys Mallory, Mason Moore, Monica Foster, Nicole Jones, Rachel Roxxx, Tiffany Tyler, Tuesday cross and many more. Some people asked me whats the point of the model intros, well lots of reasons for it marketing wise and trust me as many times as we said lets not do it (it would save a huge amount of time and money) we decided because of lots of other factors to keep it in the plan. We understand it can get boring to the surfer so the player has a “skip into” feature. We also filmed some other footage with each model that will be used in marketing the site, and it was also interesting seeing 100% mainstream girls reading lines like “This site features black guys with huge cocks fucking tight pussies”. We where always upfront about what the shoot is going to be like.

Im leaving out many including reviewers, editors, developers, designers etc. that obviously play a crucial role, none spend time on GFY. In addition some industry known people, im sure I forgot to mention a few people, sorry about that.

fatfoo · 12-12-2009, 12:50 PM

Looks interesting. Live reviews... Would help the surfers decided which porn to buy.

Robbie · 12-12-2009, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

I got many ICQ’s asking me about people involved etc. And it’s only fair to thank those those who many here know.

Dave / JustDaveXXX – Well the idea is old but without the right crew its impossible to make this happen, and in this economy you can’t really hire guys that have one skill only. Dave pretty much is multi talented, from production to set design to working with agents and models and most importantly overseeing the ideas, getting real feedback and sharing it with the editors, reviewers etc. His girlfriend has been a huge help in this project too. The domain was purchased years ago with the intent of doing this, but I knew I can only do so much for a project like this.

Joe AMA – Great with all types of ideas, shot BTS and will soon be doing other interesting reviews, you’ll have to see it to believe it. Always there to throw in a good tip and comment.

BillyB – Shooting some intors where the girls are topless was his idea and already with the little traffic we got we got a few emails asking if there is a list somewhere of all topless reviews lol. He makes sure the talent is nice and calm, and operates a crucial part of the production so that even those who can barley read sound pretty good, great team player.

Tereese – Amazing makeup artists, sometimes did some serious magic, been in this industry forever and very dedicated and very creative.

Falcon – Adult Copywriters – I use to call the guy overpriced, the amount of dedication and the crazy deadlines they have to meet is insane but it gets done, because it’s a team effort you cant really have a shoot or other aspects of the review done without the proper writing and data entry etc. Id say he’s under priced but I don’t want him upping his fees on me, but seriously listens and makes even the complex happen. Its not just writing they are helping with.

Konrad – after going thru many so called streaming / ffmpeg / tube experts, this guy came in and layed the law down, straight to the point tells you the bad and the good and works long hours to get stuff done.

Oxeo – Besides mike being very hands on and understanding the needs, the team there (to many to name) really did whatever possible and still does to make things happen correctly. Not just basic server setups, but security issues, and streaming issues and so many other things, thanks to them and the entire team there.

Talent Agencies – To many to name but Type9 spent a great deal of time working with us, mark spiegler saved the day many times, CamSmith, and so many other agents, truly help in making lots of the shoots happen.

The many models – some not listed but here are a few - Andy San Dimas, Ashley Fires, Bobbi Starr, Brooke Haven, Bridget B, Charley Chase, Emma Heart, Eva Delatosso, Jenny Hendrix, Juelz Ventura,, Jessica Lynn, London Keys Mallory, Mason Moore, Monica Foster, Nicole Jones, Rachel Roxxx, Tiffany Tyler, Tuesday cross and many more. Some people asked me whats the point of the model intros, well lots of reasons for it marketing wise and trust me as many times as we said lets not do it (it would save a huge amount of time and money) we decided because of lots of other factors to keep it in the plan. We understand it can get boring to the surfer so the player has a “skip into” feature. We also filmed some other footage with each model that will be used in marketing the site, and it was also interesting seeing 100% mainstream girls reading lines like “This site features black guys with huge cocks fucking tight pussies”. We where always upfront about what the shoot is going to be like.

Im leaving out many including reviewers, editors, developers, designers etc. that obviously play a crucial role, none spend time on GFY. In addition some industry known people, im sure I forgot to mention a few people, sorry about that.

You are using the best in the business. I have to tell you that you are doing it right. Konrad is the man. I don't know JustDave or Joe AMA personally, but from reading their posts and seeing their work and work ethic...I have been pretty impressed.

SleazyDream · 12-12-2009, 01:36 PM

havn't checked in a bit - so this is EscortBiz's site?

nice job

burntfilm · 12-12-2009, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I bring up opinions because review sites aren't currently reviewing what they should be, they're injecting mass opinion in areas that they aren't experts in.

First, our Industry pays for the reviews... Two, our reviewers aren't experts in all the niches they review...

Yup, niche based reviews by people familiar with a niche would actually help consumers, whether in video or text.

PSD · 12-12-2009, 02:05 PM

They have over 200 reviews, so they used over 200 different credit cards?

JustDaveXxx · 12-12-2009, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCK

They have over 200 reviews, so they used over 200 different credit cards?

Yup! All different cards left open to see who bangs what. All to be posted. Thats when the real fireworks will begin.lol If you think 200 is a lot, check out what we have up on xmas and see whats up before new years.

BV · 12-12-2009, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCK

They have over 200 reviews, so they used over 200 different credit cards?

Many sites grant access to their whole network of sites with one password.

Not saying that's the case here, but I can confirm that they bought a password from me.

I had no idea they even reviewed my site until I saw this thread.

Suits me though, I have nothing to hide.

amacontent · 12-12-2009, 03:31 PM

It took me a while to get the concept til I actually saw it being worked. Then I couldnt believe what an industry changer this could be. My thoughts are the people who get upset with this are the people ruining the industry. It will be like a burgler complaining about security systems.

SleazyDream · 12-12-2009, 03:35 PM

i love the reviews but I find myself dying for a rating system so I know which ones to watch as i don't want to watch them all.....

Robbie · 12-12-2009, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

i love the reviews but I find myself dying for a rating system so I know which ones to watch as i don't want to watch them all.....

Problem with ratings is...if you were a guy who checked out a porn site and decided to see the review on it, and the person reviewing the site gave their OPINION of it and gave it a certain score...then that score (rating) could negatively impact whether the potential customer joins or not. Even though the site might be perfect for them.

I had a post a little while back that had to do with a guy who was a former member of CM's site. He loved the site and had been gone for a few months and was coming back to re-join. But then he read the rabbits review of CM's site and wrote me worried that the site had changed! lol

I had to tell him that it was still the same only with MORE updates.

I found it incredulous that an affiliate would actually be HURTING my sales instead of doing their job and making sales for me.

Long story short, I calmed the guy down and he's a member today. Matter of fact he was one of the members enjoying our live webcast every wed.

That's the problem I have with review sites. They spend too much time on b.s. and not enough on what the site is REALLY about. For me, it's fans of Claudia-Marie that come to us. Believe me, I know EXACTLY what they want as I do everything for the site including support. I correspond with the members every day.

So when a review site comes along and posts up generic "scores" and "ratings" that have NOTHING to do with the experience that we are trying to create it does nothing but hurt sales.

Last I checked affiliates are supposed to MAKE sales based on marketing skills. Not drive them away through poor salesmanship.

That's why I like the concept of livereviews.com

Simply show the surfer what's there behind the members area. Let them make up their own mind. No need for an "opinion" of somebody who goes down his reviewers checklist for every site.

Not all people want to see a Brazzers members area.

For instance, here in Vegas the BEST steak in town is at a little place called The Ranch House. Yeah, I could go on the strip to a famous "name" restraunt and pay 20 times more in an elegant expensive building with waiters dressed in tuxedos...but bottom line is: The Ranch House steak tastes better.

That's the simple truth that review sites always miss. They are so busy "reviewing" the silverware, the tables, the floor, and the waiters...that they never really talk about the damn food!

livereviews lets the potential customer taste it for themselves and make up their own minds.

SleazyDream · 12-12-2009, 03:55 PM

robbie I agree with you and you run some GREAT sites - I've always said you have a quality product.

but as a surfer looking at the reviews I would still want some way of knowing which reviews to watch and not spend 600 million hours watching them all.......

it might be just me and I know fuck all about review sites - but i'm just saying what i feel when i go into the site as a surfer is all.... i don't want to have to watch all 50 videos to find the best site in a category - i want to watch 2-3 in a category and know they reviewed 50 and pick from what they say is the best.....

i'm fat and lazy and I want them to tell me what I need

Robbie · 12-12-2009, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

robbie I agree with you and you run some GREAT sites - I've always said you have a quality product.

but as a surfer looking at the reviews I would still want some way of knowing which reviews to watch and not spend 600 million hours watching them all.......

it might be just me and I know fuck all about review sites - but i'm just saying what i feel when i go into the site as a surfer is all.... i don't want to have to watch all 50 videos to find the best site in a category - i want to watch 2-3 in a category and know they reviewed 50 and pick from what they say is the best.....

That would be a surfer who doesn't really have a specific site in mind. He's just window shopping. He might buy a membership, or he might not.

You're right. I don't think this review site is optimal for selling to that guy.

I think it's going to get some of them sold a membership for sure, but I think it's gonna find GOLD in a more targeted consumer who already knows what he wants and just wants to verify it before he makes his final decision.

Those careful buyers are pure gold. And once they join they are loyal and stay a loooonnnnggg time. Whereas I have always noticed that the few sales I've gotten from rabbits for the most part don't stay. They tend to join and then cancel immediately so they don't rebill in the majority of cases.

12-12-2009, 08:24 AM	#220
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12-12-2009, 08:41 AM	#221
EscortBiz Fuck Checks, CASH only! Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 19,422	Again thanks for the positive comments! To the Doc and many others, The review site situation has become a mess both user based reviews or some private reviewers review. If you strictly rely on review sites before buying something to eat, one would starve to death. What I mean by this is, if you ever tried to look up reviews to restaurants, one guy says it’s great the other says it’s terrible and the end user cannot make a decision. The truth is both of the comments may be truth but so many things is a personal taste. The sites featuring stars (3 ½ stars out of 5) again just confusion. It’s like mainstream movie reviews, pick a movie you like and look up reviews, you’ll see that tons of people will say it was boring and bad etc. Same goes if you look up hotels to stay in etc. User comments should be called “ConfUser comments”. In addition as the FTC recently revealed (no surprise there) that many of the user comments at least the positive ones they investigated where bullshit created by the company owners themselves. (And if you see some of the negative restaurant reviews, its obvious that the 5000 word detailed negative review was left by the competition). So the only way to review an adult site and be as fair as possible, is to show the user exactly what’s up and let them make a decision. That’s why there is no star ratings or score ratings on the site or user comments, because if you show someone exactly what’s up, there is no need for anyone else’s input or personal score. The goal of this site is not to BS the surfer and make a quick buck, the goal is simple “build trust”, and by telling them upfront what to expect they feel confident whipping out their card, you take away that fear they might have of joining because of a bad prior experience or because of something they heard or read somewhere. See many here feel that by telling a surfer about a hidden checkbox or that a site will bomb you with emails within 2 weeks of joining, it will make one not join, but that is FALSE. It will actually create joins, the surfer now knows what to do, he knows not to use his main email address etc. Right now in this economy the last thing you want is someone being “not sure” about a potential purchase, the result will be “no purchase”. (500+ emails is screwed up, imagine if the guy joined using his companies email account). It’s a time when people are more careful with their money, by now every surfer has heard 5000 online scam stories from friends or from the news, if you show them the truth, the results will be very positive. As far as reading over watching, well there is a market for both, and with people getting lazier by the day more will prefer to watch, and sometimes readers turn into watchers. So many people who would once read how to guides for Photoshop etc, now will first try to see a video, same goes with electronic product reviews, if you know about cnet that is your first stop. If this will apply to adult site reviews I don’t know, the surfer feedback so far has been EXTREMLY positive. We use wowza streaming and that makes it easier for the surfer to skip thru the review (you can do it with many other solutions other than wowza too). The goal is simple, be honest with the surfer, don’t confuse them, work with website owners to make sure you are being 100% fair, and help site owners get signups they would otherwise not get. __________________ Spanking, Medical Fetish, Sleeping, Strap-on Anal Lesbians, Girls Fucking Guys, Handjob site REAL HOT, Shemales, Anal and Ass Licking sites 100% Real EXCLUSIVE with amazing retention, ccbill payouts, lots of content FREE FTP HOSTING Promote the largest and oldest member paid escort site, Converts 10 times better then any dating site, CCBill payouts ICQ# 158802076

12-12-2009, 09:24 AM	#223
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Thanks EscortBiz.... I'm all for pointing out bad billing methods, as stated... But why not just avoid promoting those type of programs all together? Maybe make a list of non-reviews of straight up bad companies, with no links? It is nice to see you guys aren't going to necessarily focus on our billing practices that are legit but because so many here don't understand them, they get a bad rep. I recommend you check with programs before you tell the surfer they can use an alt email address. That takes away value from the paysite and creates support problems down the road and possible account lookup issues for access, billing, etc. Members have a hard enough time remember billing/login details, let alone some new random email address. It's not like review sites have the best retention.... that really isn't a secret, and it isn't because of a loyal fan base, fan base traffic isn't new. It's because reviews, don't actually sell the member based on what the paysite is actually selling them, they sell them based on opinions that shape the surfers desires away from the niche. I really don't want to see your review site fall into that category of other review sites, but with a video. I really do like the concept and idea of your review site, I'm sure surfers love it. I have no reason to not want this to work, it benefits me more if it does succeed. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 12-12-2009 at 09:26 AM..

12-12-2009, 09:48 AM	#225
EscortBiz Fuck Checks, CASH only! Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 19,422	"I recommend you check with programs before you tell the surfer they can use an alt email address. That takes away value from the paysite and creates support problems down the road and possible account lookup issues for access, billing, etc." good point doc already working on rewording for that section, as a paysite owner myself I can see this being a problem __________________ Spanking, Medical Fetish, Sleeping, Strap-on Anal Lesbians, Girls Fucking Guys, Handjob site REAL HOT, Shemales, Anal and Ass Licking sites 100% Real EXCLUSIVE with amazing retention, ccbill payouts, lots of content FREE FTP HOSTING Promote the largest and oldest member paid escort site, Converts 10 times better then any dating site, CCBill payouts ICQ# 158802076

12-12-2009, 11:41 AM	#233
VforVendetta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,525	Very good! But it's doesn't SEO without text __________________ Free the world

12-11-2009, 09:51 AM	#201
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	as usual the so-called expert doc is wrong again. anyone actually take that guy serious?

12-12-2009, 08:55 AM	#222
LoveSandra So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just Blow Me Posts: 10,551	.................................................. .......

12-12-2009, 09:38 AM	#224
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	so people wont sign up for sites that bang their cc and send them a million spam emails. suck it it princess. it will just provide more business to those who provide a better consumer experience. you have some seriously messed up perceptions if you think that a review site is a bigger threat that complaint boards filled with thousands of posts about shady porn sites. idiot.

12-12-2009, 11:38 AM	#232
San So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Shenzhen Posts: 790	This review site will lose money.

12-12-2009, 12:45 PM	#238
EscortBiz Fuck Checks, CASH only! Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 19,422	I got many ICQ’s asking me about people involved etc. And it’s only fair to thank those those who many here know. Dave / JustDaveXXX – Well the idea is old but without the right crew its impossible to make this happen, and in this economy you can’t really hire guys that have one skill only. Dave pretty much is multi talented, from production to set design to working with agents and models and most importantly overseeing the ideas, getting real feedback and sharing it with the editors, reviewers etc. His girlfriend has been a huge help in this project too. The domain was purchased years ago with the intent of doing this, but I knew I can only do so much for a project like this. Joe AMA – Great with all types of ideas, shot BTS and will soon be doing other interesting reviews, you’ll have to see it to believe it. Always there to throw in a good tip and comment. BillyB – Shooting some intors where the girls are topless was his idea and already with the little traffic we got we got a few emails asking if there is a list somewhere of all topless reviews lol. He makes sure the talent is nice and calm, and operates a crucial part of the production so that even those who can barley read sound pretty good, great team player. Tereese – Amazing makeup artists, sometimes did some serious magic, been in this industry forever and very dedicated and very creative. Falcon – Adult Copywriters – I use to call the guy overpriced, the amount of dedication and the crazy deadlines they have to meet is insane but it gets done, because it’s a team effort you cant really have a shoot or other aspects of the review done without the proper writing and data entry etc. Id say he’s under priced but I don’t want him upping his fees on me, but seriously listens and makes even the complex happen. Its not just writing they are helping with. Konrad – after going thru many so called streaming / ffmpeg / tube experts, this guy came in and layed the law down, straight to the point tells you the bad and the good and works long hours to get stuff done. Oxeo – Besides mike being very hands on and understanding the needs, the team there (to many to name) really did whatever possible and still does to make things happen correctly. Not just basic server setups, but security issues, and streaming issues and so many other things, thanks to them and the entire team there. Talent Agencies – To many to name but Type9 spent a great deal of time working with us, mark spiegler saved the day many times, CamSmith, and so many other agents, truly help in making lots of the shoots happen. The many models – some not listed but here are a few - Andy San Dimas, Ashley Fires, Bobbi Starr, Brooke Haven, Bridget B, Charley Chase, Emma Heart, Eva Delatosso, Jenny Hendrix, Juelz Ventura,, Jessica Lynn, London Keys Mallory, Mason Moore, Monica Foster, Nicole Jones, Rachel Roxxx, Tiffany Tyler, Tuesday cross and many more. Some people asked me whats the point of the model intros, well lots of reasons for it marketing wise and trust me as many times as we said lets not do it (it would save a huge amount of time and money) we decided because of lots of other factors to keep it in the plan. We understand it can get boring to the surfer so the player has a “skip into” feature. We also filmed some other footage with each model that will be used in marketing the site, and it was also interesting seeing 100% mainstream girls reading lines like “This site features black guys with huge cocks fucking tight pussies”. We where always upfront about what the shoot is going to be like. Im leaving out many including reviewers, editors, developers, designers etc. that obviously play a crucial role, none spend time on GFY. In addition some industry known people, im sure I forgot to mention a few people, sorry about that. __________________ Spanking, Medical Fetish, Sleeping, Strap-on Anal Lesbians, Girls Fucking Guys, Handjob site REAL HOT, Shemales, Anal and Ass Licking sites 100% Real EXCLUSIVE with amazing retention, ccbill payouts, lots of content FREE FTP HOSTING Promote the largest and oldest member paid escort site, Converts 10 times better then any dating site, CCBill payouts ICQ# 158802076 Last edited by EscortBiz; 12-12-2009 at 12:47 PM..

12-12-2009, 12:50 PM	#239
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	Looks interesting. Live reviews... Would help the surfers decided which porn to buy. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

12-12-2009, 01:36 PM	#241
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	havn't checked in a bit - so this is EscortBiz's site? nice job __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

12-12-2009, 02:05 PM	#243
PSD PornSiteDomains.com Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: US Posts: 1,265	They have over 200 reviews, so they used over 200 different credit cards?

12-12-2009, 03:31 PM	#246
amacontent STANLEY CUP CHAMPION ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,797	It took me a while to get the concept til I actually saw it being worked. Then I couldnt believe what an industry changer this could be. My thoughts are the people who get upset with this are the people ruining the industry. It will be like a burgler complaining about security systems. __________________ Joe Loughlin [email protected] TEAM- joeloughlin. Telegram - AMA_JOE https://www.amaproduction.com

12-12-2009, 03:35 PM	#247
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	i love the reviews but I find myself dying for a rating system so I know which ones to watch as i don't want to watch them all..... __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

12-12-2009, 03:55 PM	#249
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	robbie I agree with you and you run some GREAT sites - I've always said you have a quality product. but as a surfer looking at the reviews I would still want some way of knowing which reviews to watch and not spend 600 million hours watching them all....... it might be just me and I know fuck all about review sites - but i'm just saying what i feel when i go into the site as a surfer is all.... i don't want to have to watch all 50 videos to find the best site in a category - i want to watch 2-3 in a category and know they reviewed 50 and pick from what they say is the best..... i'm fat and lazy and I want them to tell me what I need __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog. Last edited by SleazyDream; 12-12-2009 at 03:57 PM..