Amanda Knox supporters!

[sortie]

I was with you at the start but after actually looking at the evidence I see guilt.

The prosecution's theory of "sex game gone wrong" still sounds like a fantasy to
me and the logical conclusion is that Rudy Guede did the crime alone.
But Knox's actions when combined with other evidence makes her look very guilty.


It's hard to believe, but those foot/shoe prints are convincing and people don't buy
bleach at 7:45 AM from the corner store on the morning of the murder for nothing and
then lie about ever buying it or even being awake at that time.

Knox was outside the store waiting for the owner to open and she went straight to
the cleaning section and bought bleach. The store owner identified her and the police
found the receipt for the bleach in her boyfriend's apartment.

Knox cleaned outside the murder room with bleach so well that even though she
had lived there for more than a month the police could only find one
of Knox's finger prints in the entire apartment.

She's really good at cleaning yet she admits seeing shit in the other bathroom
toilet and not even bothering to flush it. The shit is still in the toilet when the
cops take over the crime scene. There was no need to flush the shit because it
was not evidence. She was only cleaning up evidence and thus ignored stinky shit
in a toilet. She was cleaning up in a hurry; no time to spare to even hit the flusher.


Get over the cute face. It's the ugly brain inside that commits crime.


Let the rock throwing begin.

[sortie]

EDIT : "Rock throwing at me" not "at her".

Thanks

[tehHinjew]

lol the dateline episode on her about a year ago had nothing about sex games, now I read about the sex games last month on cnn.com.. shes for sure guilty

[candyflip]

Who? What? Huh?

[sortie]

Originally Posted by tehHinjew

lol the dateline episode on her about a year ago had nothing about sex games, now I read about the sex games last month on cnn.com.. shes for sure guilty

Yeah, these TV shows about the case got me to jump face first on the
"innocent bandwagon". It only took 30 minutes of looking at real evidence to
jump the fuck off the bandwagon though.

We (USA folk) are suckers for a cute face and media hype; we'll believe anything fed to
us this way and stick to it until we die no matter how wrong it is.

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by sortie

The prosecution's theory of "sex game gone wrong" still sounds like a fantasy to
me and the logical conclusion is that Rudy Guede did the crime alone.
But Knox's actions when combined with other evidence makes her look very guilty.

Honestly I do not know what to think, but I agree with that you started out with. The prosecution's "sex game" theory does not hold water, it's pretty ludicrous.

Amanda Knox's behavior is odd, but it's odd either way you slice it. If she had comitted the crime her actions don't seem to make sense either. Additionally the same can be said of the other roommate. While the other roommate wasn't making out with her boyfriend they were both in the house when police first arrived and neither called them there themselves. The other roommate's window had been smashed in and they had both admitted to seeing blood in one of the bathrooms.

The only person who can be tied to the crime is Guede, not only from his semen but moreso because of his fingerprints in the victim's blood. The victim didn't appear to be raped, and that's where the prosecution came up with the "sex game" theory.

I wouldn't put money on this chic being innocent, but I also wouldn't be able to return a verdict of guilty either.

[starpimps]

id fuck her

[VikingMan]

Although I agree that the trial was a joke I also believe that she at least helped cover up the crime. She gets no sympathy from me.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

Honestly I do not know what to think, but I agree with that you started out with. The prosecution's "sex game" theory does not hold water, it's pretty ludicrous.

Amanda Knox's behavior is odd, but it's odd either way you slice it. If she had comitted the crime her actions don't seem to make sense either. Additionally the same can be said of the other roommate. While the other roommate wasn't making out with her boyfriend they were both in the house when police first arrived and neither called them there themselves. The other roommate's window had been smashed in and they had both admitted to seeing blood in one of the bathrooms.

The only person who can be tied to the crime is Guede, not only from his semen but moreso because of his fingerprints in the victim's blood. The victim didn't appear to be raped, and that's where the prosecution came up with the "sex game" theory.

I wouldn't put money on this chic being innocent, but I also wouldn't be able to return a verdict of guilty either.

You seem to be focusing on the "media presentation" of her actions.
The media had the "strange behavior" hype; where her facial expressions meant
something.

Get over that!

It's not the case against her.

The case is based on her actuall physical actions of cleaning up blood with
bleach at 8:AM when she claimed to be still at her boyfriends.


Understand this :

If Guede does it all by himself; then he walked out of the murder room and down the
hall to the bathroom where he leaves bloody foot prints on the bathroom rug.
So how does he leave prints on the rug but none in the hall?

Answer : He doesn't. The hall is cleaned with bleach purchased by Knox.
Luminol is then used by cops to highlight the prints in the hall that were cleaned
with bleach. Knox's foot print is there in the luminol.


Motive : Who the fuck really knows?

But here's one besides the "sex game" one.

Knox had been threaten to be fired several times by her boss. The boss has
also told her he wanted to hire the victim instead. The boss actually does
hire Knox's roomate to be a DJ on what will be called "Mez Night".
"Mez" is the nick name of the murder victim.
"Mez Night" never happens because the victim is murdered before that day.

It would not be hard of Knox to imagine that her job is over and the roommate
is going to be the hottest new thing in this bar.

Jealousy!!!

Anger!!!

Her fucking boss is going to dump her and make her fucking roomate a star and
everybody is going to know it.

That boss needs fixing, doesn't he?

So fix him by setting him up for murder and get rid of this bitch roomate once and
for all at the same time.

The boss is black so get a black guy to do the crime so the evidence left behind
points to a black that she can name as her boss.
Of course doing that is stupid because of DNA, but stupid is all in this one so I
don't count it out.

My confidence in the above motive is low ; but
it beats the sex game gone bad one I think.

[fatfoo]

That's a cute cat, ShellyCrash.

[Manowar]

its fucked up royally, who knows if we'll ever know what happens

[Dood]

I think the prosecutors claims against her were weak. The local media did a good job of persecuting her before the trial. The evidence seems to be either all circumstantial or a fantastic story dreamed up by the prosecution. Like the killing based on a comic book or how it was a sex orgy gone wrong or strange behavior at the police station or buying underwear (after not being able to retrieve her own).

Buying bleach the morning after and the police finding bleach was used to remove blood in the house, yes ironic but there's no proof she was the one using it to clean up the blood. A kitchen knife with Knox's DNA on the handle found in her boyfriends home with trace amounts of unidentifiable DNA on it that didn't even match the murder wounds, shouldn't have been an issue in court.

The detectives were the ones who mentioned Lumumba after finding she texted him that night. They then asked her to "imagine" what could have happened if the evidence said she did it, and she gave them a story to get out of the interrogation which she said they hit her during it.

More importantly there has been absolutely no DNA ever found linking Knox to the room where Kercher was murdered.

Just like everyone else I don't know if she did it or not, but from looking at the evidence I wouldn't be able to convict her.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Dood

I think the prosecutors claims against her were weak. The local media did a good job of persecuting her before the trial. The evidence seems to be either all circumstantial or a fantastic story dreamed up by the prosecution. Like the killing based on a comic book or how it was a sex orgy gone wrong or strange behavior at the police station or buying underwear (after not being able to retrieve her own).

Buying bleach the morning after and the police finding bleach was used to remove blood in the house, yes ironic but there's no proof she was the one using it to clean up the blood. A kitchen knife with Knox's DNA on the handle found in her boyfriends home with trace amounts of unidentifiable DNA on it that didn't even match the murder wounds, shouldn't have been an issue in court.

The detectives were the ones who mentioned Lumumba after finding she texted him that night. They then asked her to "imagine" what could have happened if the evidence said she did it, and she gave them a story to get out of the interrogation which she said they hit her during it.

More importantly there has been absolutely no DNA ever found linking Knox to the room where Kercher was murdered.

Just like everyone else I don't know if she did it or not, but from looking at the evidence I wouldn't be able to convict her.

All true!

I see all that too.

But that foot print that they claim matches Sollecito's shoes just blows me away.



That's a match to me and with all the other circumstances it's hard to deny.

Every time I look at the people involved; I'm like "This trial is a scam!!"
But I've been looking up the evidence and it's all there!

I figure like this,

I can say each one of these :

- the shoe print is not exact
- buying bleach at 7:45AM is normal when you don't even flush your shit.
- the DNA on the knife is flawed
- the size 7 foot prints in luminol are not from blood
- the foot print directions don't make sense to me, as if any of it did.
- the sole killer tracked blood into the bathroom but floated in mid-air in the hall
- no cleaning happened, but 200 fingerprints were found but only one from Amanda
even though she lived there for a month
- Sollecito's DNA on the bra clasp was contamination by someone who had his
DNA on a glove and ignore that, even if true, the DNA would still only get on his glove
from something in the murder room anyway.
- etc....


I can say all of that one statement at at time but when I look at it all together
she is guilty.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Dood

More importantly there has been absolutely no DNA ever found linking Knox to the room where Kercher was murdered.

No DNA, but a fingerprint matching Knox was on the victims face!

The fingerprint was "embedded" IN THE VICTIMS FACE!!!!!!

In other words; Knox pressed her hand so hard into the victims face that Knox's
fingerprint molded into the victims skin and the skin did not reform to normal
smoothness even after hours of death.

[pocketkangaroo]

Not really sure. I'd be 50/50 on whether she did it but there is no way I'd convict her for life. There are just too many things that don't add up in the story for me.

There's also a lot of shady shit that went on with the prosecutor. He is up for ethics stuff for basically railroading other people in cases and fabricating evidence. I don't know if he is being real honest about this case and has seemed to turn it into a tabloid fest with anti-American sentiments.

I guess the thing I don't get is that the guy they convicted earlier seemed to have no connection to Knox. He seemed to be a druggie drifter. I guess I don't get how two people with no connection to one another can be convicted of the same crime.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Not really sure. I'd be 50/50 on whether she did it but there is no way I'd convict her for life. There are just too many things that don't add up in the story for me.

There's also a lot of shady shit that went on with the prosecutor. He is up for ethics stuff for basically railroading other people in cases and fabricating evidence. I don't know if he is being real honest about this case and has seemed to turn it into a tabloid fest with anti-American sentiments.

I guess the thing I don't get is that the guy they convicted earlier seemed to have no connection to Knox. He seemed to be a druggie drifter. I guess I don't get how two people with no connection to one another can be convicted of the same crime.

They knew each other, he danced at the club she worked at and sold weed and Knox
smoked plenty.

He also hung out with the guys in the apartment below Knox's at times.
The guy was known in the area, he was a fixture of sort.
He hung out on the basketball court all the time and that's the last place
Knox and Sollecetio were seen before the murder.

[PurrrsianPussyKat]

She's guilty as fuck. I hope they fry her.

I haven't followed the case like you have.. but about a week or two back she was proclaiming, "I'm not an assassin". Well no duh sweetie. You're a murderer.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by sortie

They knew each other, he danced at the club she worked at and sold weed and Knox
smoked plenty.

He also hung out with the guys in the apartment below Knox's at times.
The guy was known in the area, he was a fixture of sort.
He hung out on the basketball court all the time and that's the last place
Knox and Sollecetio were seen before the murder.

Ahhhhh, didn't know that. I still don't think she would have gotten convicted in the U.S.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I still don't think she would have gotten convicted in the U.S.

Well of course not; we would have just convicted Lumumba and let her go.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by sortie

I was with you at the start but after actually looking at the evidence I see guilt.

The prosecution's theory of "sex game gone wrong" still sounds like a fantasy to
me and the logical conclusion is that Rudy Guede did the crime alone.
But Knox's actions when combined with other evidence makes her look very guilty.


It's hard to believe, but those foot/shoe prints are convincing and people don't buy
bleach at 7:45 AM from the corner store on the morning of the murder for nothing and
then lie about ever buying it or even being awake at that time.

Knox was outside the store waiting for the owner to open and she went straight to
the cleaning section and bought bleach. The store owner identified her and the police
found the receipt for the bleach in her boyfriend's apartment.

Knox cleaned outside the murder room with bleach so well that even though she
had lived there for more than a month the police could only find one
of Knox's finger prints in the entire apartment.

She's really good at cleaning yet she admits seeing shit in the other bathroom
toilet and not even bothering to flush it. The shit is still in the toilet when the
cops take over the crime scene. There was no need to flush the shit because it
was not evidence. She was only cleaning up evidence and thus ignored stinky shit
in a toilet. She was cleaning up in a hurry; no time to spare to even hit the flusher.


Get over the cute face. It's the ugly brain inside that commits crime.


Let the rock throwing begin.

All that means is she was trying to cover up a murder a friend of hers did. That's called obstruction of justice or destroying evidence. Show me where someone in the US gets 26 years for that. Hell the dude that actually did the murder got 25 years. Those wops just wanted to get back at America so this was their chance. Fucky Italy and their greasy deigos.

[DVTimes]

i think you forget this fact.

she is a babe

thus not guilty

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by PurrrsianPussyKat

She's guilty as fuck. I hope they fry her.

I haven't followed the case like you have.. but about a week or two back she was proclaiming, "I'm not an assassin". Well no duh sweetie. You're a murderer.

Are you fucking retarded?

A) You don't know she's guilty the only evidence you know of is the one the Italian government wants to to believe that's all. Funny how people here don't trust our own government but trust one run by guidos.

B) they can't fry her because Italy doesn't have the death penalty.

C) She's already been sentenced dumbass. She got 26 years. The actual murderer got 25. He's not American so that explains a lot.

[POed-poster]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Are you fucking retarded?

A) You don't know she's guilty the only evidence you know of is the one the Italian government wants to to believe that's all. Funny how people here don't trust our own government but trust one run by guidos.

B) they can't fry her because Italy doesn't have the death penalty.

C) She's already been sentenced dumbass. She got 26 years. The actual murderer got 25. He's not American so that explains a lot.

You should really start being nicer to people. Maybe you will get a friend.

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by sortie

No DNA, but a fingerprint matching Knox was on the victims face!

The fingerprint was "embedded" IN THE VICTIMS FACE!!!!!!

In other words; Knox pressed her hand so hard into the victims face that Knox's
fingerprint molded into the victims skin and the skin did not reform to normal
smoothness even after hours of death.

This is not possible.

I'm not saying there isn't an article out there that might have claimed that, but the claim itself is physically impossible.

Stuff like this is one of the biggest problems I have with the case. There's so much BS put out there it's impossible to determine what the real facts are.

[EscortBiz]

last week a man was set free after 35 years in jail, stories like these happen all the time, granted everyone in prison claims they are innocent but many truly are

[Young]

Nobody buys bleach at 7:30am. PERIOD. The bitch is guilty. If she wasn't a cute American white girl and was some black chic from the ghetto instead....everyone in here would be singing a different tune.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

This is not possible.

I'm not saying there isn't an article out there that might have claimed that, but the claim itself is physically impossible.

Stuff like this is one of the biggest problems I have with the case. There's so much BS put out there it's impossible to determine what the real facts are.

Sorry, but you're full of shit now.

Do the following :

- Sit down and lean over your right knee
- place you index finger just before the knee cap on that knee
- place you other index finger on top of the first index finger
- now press down hard and hold your finger their for 60 seconds.
- Now look at your knee under some decent light

If you don't see a molded finger print on your knee then you are truly one weak person.

Try it, don't just talk shit about what's possible.
That's what's wrong with the case, people aren't looking at facts but
just spouting off shit without checking any of it out.

I just put a finger print on my knee with no problem.

So, it's you that's actually putting out bullshit on the case by saying this is impossible.

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by sortie

Sorry, but you're full of shit now.

Do the following :

- Sit down and lean over your right knee
- place you index finger just before the knee cap on that knee
- place you other index finger on top of the first index finger
- now press down hard and hold your finger their for 60 seconds.
- Now look at your knee under some decent light

If you don't see a molded finger print on your knee then you are truly one weak person.

Try it, don't just talk shit about what's possible.
That's what's wrong with the case, people aren't looking at facts but
just spouting off shit without checking any of it out.

I just put a finger print on my knee with no problem.

So, it's you that's actually putting out bullshit on the case by saying this is impossible.

Can you see the ridges of your fingerprint or just the outline of your finger?

Fingerprints are usually created by the oil on your hands transfering to surfaces you touch. Human skin has oils on it, it is also a porous surface, some of the prinicpals behind why you can't get a fingerprint off a face is behind why you can't pull a fingerprint off some types of leather.

If her actual fingerprint had been found on the girl's body I think the news reports would read alot differently. All I can find about the fingerprint are articles dated in the week or two following the murder claiming that cops "allege" to have found that, but nothing in any of the articles I've read from after the trial started reviewing the evidence against her.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

Can you see the ridges of your fingerprint or just the outline of your finger?

Fingerprints are usually created by the oil on your hands transfering to surfaces you touch. Human skin has oils on it, it is also a porous surface, some of the prinicpals behind why you can't get a fingerprint off a face is behind why you can't pull a fingerprint off some types of leather.

If her actual fingerprint had been found on the girl's body I think the news reports would read alot differently. All I can find about the fingerprint are articles dated in the week or two following the murder claiming that cops "allege" to have found that, but nothing in any of the articles I've read from after the trial started reviewing the evidence against her.

You're just stuck and won't move, giving you any facts doesn't matter.
You're no longer interested in facts you just need to be right.

Thank you for you non-scientific theory on finger prints but you'd be smarter to
stop thinking and just press a finger print into your own skin and look at.

My entire finger print shows on my knee. If you're skin is pale them back off the
light a little.

Read this brief article : http://www.forensicmag.com/articles.asp?pid=98

[PurrrsianPussyKat]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Are you fucking retarded?

A) You don't know she's guilty the only evidence you know of is the one the Italian government wants to to believe that's all. Funny how people here don't trust our own government but trust one run by guidos.

B) they can't fry her because Italy doesn't have the death penalty.

C) She's already been sentenced dumbass. She got 26 years. The actual murderer got 25. He's not American so that explains a lot.

Oh that's right, I forgot. It's all a conspiracy! Don't forget to add an extra layer to your tin foil hat!

Just because she is american doesn't make her innocent DUMBASS!

[Vendot]

I dunno much about this, but heres a video that Rudy Guede himself (who was convicted) posted on Youtube before he was convicted & jailed:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=C9P6KishWBA

Interesting viewing although....... I dont understand his message.

[Dood]

I don't remember hearing anything about Knox's fingerprint on Kercher's face.

Like ShellyCrash said, it's just an early report from the media and apparently the cops never confirmed it because there's no mention of it that I can find. If the fingerprint had been found then that would have played a major role in the prosecutions case but I don't think it was ever brought up.

If it is true, post a link cause I can't find it.

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by sortie

You're just stuck and won't move, giving you any facts doesn't matter.
You're no longer interested in facts you just need to be right.

Thank you for you non-scientific theory on finger prints but you'd be smarter to
stop thinking and just press a finger print into your own skin and look at.

My entire finger print shows on my knee. If you're skin is pale them back off the
light a little.

Read this brief article : http://www.forensicmag.com/articles.asp?pid=98

Show me the facts, don't point me to some study on how lifting fingerprints off skin *might* work, show me an article written after the trial started about this fingerprint on a face.

Actually, if anyone can point me to an article that lists all the evidence that was presented to the jury I would appreciate it. I've read a ton of the articles on BBC and the reporters there seem to be ust as confused about whats going on as I am.