POed-poster

Go thump your stupid fucking bible somewhere else, moron. You don't fucking belong here. Porn will make your eyes fall out, church boy!

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The Demon

Actually, I'm a law student that makes money on the side promoting non porn dating sites through social networks and such. And ask anybody, I'm also ultra conservative. I think porn is shady and low class. At the same time, I recognize it as a first amendment right. Those "jesus freaks" you speak of are the exception to the rule, and aren't taken seriously. Educate yourself before generalizing incorrectly.

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Poor pathetic human being. He's allowed to critisize conservatives but when someone talks about his incompetent liberals, he gets butt hurt. Thanks for the laugh, homo.

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POed-poster

I have a better idea. Go fucking kill yourself, jesus thumper. Law student. What a fucking JOKE. If there is any profession that is more shady and lower class than porn, it's the fucking law. I bet your sole ambition in life is to chase ambulances and use the law to shake down people and make bank off them. You are fucking scum of the earth. Eat shit and die!

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FUCK OFF, U stupid useless Jesus Boy CUNT!

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He said he would pull our troops our of Iraq and refocus out efforts in Afghanistan. That is what is happening. He has set dates for the drawdown in Iraq and just carried out a straegy shift with a troop increase in Afghanistan.

He said he would close Guantanamo Bay. While he has given the order for this, it has become a little more difficult than just closing up shop because now we are dealing with the people that are held there. To me this is change. We are deciding what to do with these people, how to put them on trial and where to put them. That is better than just letting them sit there and doing nothing. So it looks like Gitmo will eventually close down, once they figure out all the logistics of it.

He said he would create a large stimulus package to help revitalize the economy and has done just that. You can argue whether or not it is the best way to fix the problems, but he said he would do it and he did.

He said he would work hard to get a health care bill passed. While it has now stalled it was well on its way and even today he said maybe a more realistic approach here is to pass a smaller bill that will cover the core reforms that both parties can agree upon. So it isn't a done deal, but it moving in the right the direction.

He said he would bring back the good name of the US overseas and rebuild the alliances that have become strained since the invasion of Iraq and for the most part he has done this. Many countries around the world are starting to look favorably on us again. This may not mean much to some people, but I think it is a pretty big deal.

He has set standards for the auto industry to increase fuel economy.

He has secured billions of dollars for the development of green, renewable energy.

He changed some of the rules regarding federal money going to companies that carry out stem cell research.

He is working on financial reform to help put some oversight on wall street to help protect the markets from a few greedy people making money out of thin air and crashing the market.

He worked to get legislation passed that helped aid women who face discrimination in the workplace.

He extended and expanded veteran's health benefits.

He expanded the national serviced program.

Not all of these are 100% done and while I'm sure most people won't agree with everything he has done (I know I don't) you can't say he has done nothing.

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^I can't imagine WHY the porn industry has a bad name.

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The senate works on timelines of 6 years.

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Vendzilla

We should pull out and not be so arrogant to think we can do what the USSR couldn't do

I didn't hear of too many people pissed about gitmo bay, but alot that were bringing them to DC for trial
Which has generated millions of non existent jobs
he said he would do this with bipartisanship and without pork, that didn't work, good luck to him getting it passed now
If he's brought back the good name, why are terrorist attacks happening?
So your the one person that thought cash for clunkers worked?, Honda loved it!
Yeah, heard about the woman he put in charge of that , her husband works for a big window company that is the only window company on the list for funds for that package
This I'm for
Samuel Clemens would say that would be like closing the door after the barn burned down in regards to the way that all happened

Doesn't effect me, but the way I raised my daughter, I would be afraid to discriminate against her
I'm a vet, haven't heard anything that's going to effect me
Kinda broad statement there, how did he expand it?
nothing has really been finished and now that he's had a year of more power than any president in a long time, it won't, bad leadership if you ask me

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The Demon

Kane, although you make good points, he's absolutely right.,

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tony286

Why waste your time? Whatever you write they are going to tear apart. lol

The Demon

Because Kane seems to be very objective. God forbid someone gets torn apart with logic and facts!

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tony286

If you think Fox is facts dont take it personally but I cant take you serious.

Vendzilla

you were expecting praise? He spent a year with more power than any other president in how long and what did he finish?

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think about that

The Demon

If you think CNN is facts don't take it personally but I can't take you seriously.

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tony286

See you are going with dim witted pundit stereo types I dont watch cnn. I read 5 papers a day.I listen to Neil Boortz in the morning and npr in the afternoon and rush when Im traveling. I listen to all sides and since I was given a brain I can think for myself.

tony286

Oh stop Bush had the same power for 6 yrs. I have no praise for Obama Im very disappointed. I might sit out the next election, I dont see any one worth a fuck coming up worth my vote.

The Demon

Oh sure you can. Is that what you need to tell yourself to desperately clinge to the hope that you're intelligent? I guess watching CNN, FoxNews, MSNBC, and Drudgereport MUST mean I can't think for myself.

Some of you morons are hilarious.

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The Demon

Except it took Bush 4-6 years to fuck up as bad as Obama has in his first year.

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kane

Like I said, everything he has done I don't agree with and don't necessarily think are good things. Also, much of this stuff is still in the works. Nothing within government works fast, but on a lot of this stuff the wheels are in motion. I am simply pointing out that saying he has done nothing is not a true statement. He has done a lot of stuff, you may not like it, agree with it, be affected by it or even care about it, but he has done things. It's not like he has been sitting around for the last 12 months just playing solitaire on his computer and figuring out ways to spend his money.

kane

I put this in another post too, but just wanted to say again. I don't agree with everything he has done. I think some of it is good, some of it is bad, some of it I don't care about and some of it I have no opinion on. But he has done things. I'll give him a little time to see what happens.

We are in a major financial crisis, stuck in 2 wars and the country seems to be growing ever more divided. I'll give him a pass if he doesn't make everything okay after 12 months. If this time next year he still hasn't delivered on some of the big promises then I will be a lot more critical.

tony286

took him 9 months to lose 3000 americans

tony286

Did I call you names? Im not the ones advertising in their avatar that fox is fact. Do you always get nasty when you are wrong?

Porn Farmer

Yes, they're called dogmabots.... why think when a political party can do your thinking for you?

The Demon

Seeing as how I'm not "wrong", I'm only getting nasty at your incompetence. I don't even look at my avatar, and it's funny how you assume a random avatar I use for this forum defines me. I guess if I had one of a man beating a woman, I would in fact be in favor of spousal abuse. Right?

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The Demon

Do you know what the people who parade around claiming they can think on their own and anyone who follows a party is a sheep, are called? Delusional? Insecure? Dying for acceptance?

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The Demon

I agree.

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tony286

Well have a goodnight When its starts getting nasty its time to go. Take care

Vendzilla

Bush didn't have a gop controlled house and senate

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think about that

Vendzilla

Like in any job, you are judged by your results, he may have started a bunch of stuff, but he has not finished anything of a grand nature and now he has lost the power of a controlled senate and house and won't be able to do anything the way he has been doing things'

Check the first 100 days of the gop led senate and house in 94

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think about that

kane

100% agreed. Anyone and everyone who has gone into that country has failed going all the way back Alexander The Great. We have to leave and we should do it today.



There were a lot of left wing liberals who have been calling for the closing of gitmo for a while now. They are no happy, but the right wingers are unhappy about the trials taking place in DC. You can't make everyone happy.


supposedly there have been jobs created and saved. I don't know the exact numbers nor am I going to bother to look it up. I think a stimulus plan is a good idea, I think the one we got was not so great. I was just using this as an example of something he has done, even if it is something you and I don't like.


True. Today he said he is committed to working with the republicans (of course now he has no choice) and they will work on a plan that has some shared core programs. Maybe this is a good step forward.


Terrorists have nothing to do with how the world at large feels about us. There are always going to be a core group of people who hate us. That countries like France and Germany and many others are now embracing us again only makes the terrorist more angry. As long as we support Israel and as long as we buy oil from the middle east and try to influence their policies there will be terrorists that want to destroy us.

Actually, yeah. I think it was pretty successful. I understand it didn't go off without a hitch and there were problems, but overall I think it helped some dealers get some cash in their pockets and it helped some people who needed/wanted cars to buy them. Either way it infused cash directly into the economy because the money wasn't paid out until a car was sold.

There will be stuff like this no matter what the project is. There are a million examples of things like this in all administrations.



Or maybe it is a way to learn from the mistakes of the past and try to correct them so they don't happen again in the future.


It is easy to say that until it happens and she has to get a lawyer and fight a huge company that has a staff of lawyers with nothing to do but cause her misery.

From what I understand a lot of it is broadening the benefits of vets that are disabled/wounded in action in Iraq/Afghanistan, but I would be lying if I said I knew every detail of how this works and what was expanded.

He increased number of temp job slots in Americorp from (these are non-profit jobs that last 10-12 months and help people earn money for college) from 75K to 250K. He expanded the senior citizen section of Americorp to encourage and help people over 55 who want to volunteer. He increased the budged for these types of programs by around 260 million dollars. He also expanded the Learn and Serve America program which gives grant money to schools, colleges and communities to help them improve their classrooms, hire teachers and help general education.


As I said in a different post in this thread I am a little more patient than some people. The guy was handed a shit sandwich when he took over. I will forgive him if he hasn't turned it into a gourmet meal in 12 months. That said, if in 12 more months he has made some major strides forward I will find myself be far more critical of him.

kane

I think the thing he is probably guilty of most is trying to do too much too fast. I think he should have taken this first 12 months and done nothing but focus on the economy and getting that back on track. Once that is moving in the correct direction he could move on to other things like health care and education. He seems to be trying to solve every problem at once and it comes off looking like he is not getting any of them taken care of. IF he pulls it off and they all come together, he will come out looking like a superstar. If not he will look like the guy who spent a ton of money and fixed nothing. It is big risk, big reward.

Porn Farmer

Independents and moderates.

Keep on sucking that partisan cock. It really suits an imbecile like you.

POed-poster

This is a forum for the porn industry. What the fuck are you doing here, moron?

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Without having read all of the posts in this thread, my analysis is as follows...

First, Coakley and the Democratic party had a brain fart when it came to what was at stake in this election. They assumed (wrongly) that election victory was de facto theirs.

Instead, their mindset (given that a filibuster-proof Senate majority was at stake) should have been to take a no prisoners approach to destroy their opposition.

So what happened? Coakley took a vacation and let her upstart opponent take the first media shot, by portraying himself as an independent JFK Republican (whatever that is).

Instead of pointing out that Brown voted the Republican party line over 90% of the time (hardly an Independent), Coakley returned from her vacation and waged a timid campaign.

Brown painted himself as a populist that "drives a truck" (as if what kind of vehicle one drives is in any way a qualification to hold office)...Coakley never pointed out the several other vehicles that Brown and his family own and drive.

Coakley should have blasted that demagogy out of the water (which Brown got a lot of political mileage out of), by pointing out that Brown is hardly a truck driving everyman, but is instead a multi-millionaire, with multiple houses, married to a high-paid television personality, with two daughters attending schools at which the tuition alone is way out of proportion to the annual salary of the Joe-average working class truck driving guys he tried to portray himself as.

With regards to the Healthcare reform bill, Brown campaigned against it, even though he voted in favor of universal healthcare for his own state. The sheer hypocrisy in his campaigning against much needed healthcare reform is shameful.

The whole idea of the Senate seat at stake being the "Ted Kennedy seat" was not suggested by Coakley, but instead by debate moderator David Gergen, a former advisor to Republican President's Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Bush. Basically, this was a slowball pitch down the middle of the plate, for Brown to knock out of Fenway Park, by sanctimoniously declaring it the "People's" seat, in yet another sheerly PR populist proclamation (the right-wing media falsely twisted this to suggest that the Democrat's had declared that it was the "Kennedy seat", when it was actually a Republican operative who did so).

Had Ted Kennedy lived to serve out his term, he surely would have championed and supported a Healthcare reform bill, since that was one of his lifelong goals (as he expressed on his death bed), yet Scott Brown has totally disrespected the person whom he is replacing, by declaring his opposition to a Bill which his predecessor would have surely guaranteed, had he survived.

Remember, LBJ was not as staunchly in support of Civil Rights as JFK was, but he saw it as a moral imperative to carry out JFK's legacy, by overseeing the enactment of the Civil Rights Amendment.

Scott Brown has no such moral fortitude, even though in a tawdry display of political opportunism he tried to invoke imagery of JFK in one of his campaign commercials.

Granted, Brown won the election, and is thus entitled to vote his conscious, however, I seriously doubt that he has a conscious (and basically won the election because of a badly run campaign by his Democratic opponent), since he demonstrated as much when during his acceptance speech, he pimped out his daughters as "available":



What a cheeseball...

I would like to pay $600+ a month to get healthcare, but I am unable to do so because of my non-life threatening, hereditary, pre-existing skin condition, of psoriasis.

Oh yes, and I went to an Emergency Room for only the first time in my life to have a minor puncture wound on my hand checked and cleaned, which was also a reason for my denial to pay and receive any healthcare coverage whatsoever.

There is something seriously wrong with the healthcare system, when self-employed people such as myself are denied any form of coverage for such ridiculous reasons, while people with much more serious conditions than mine can qualify simply because they work for the government or a large corporation.

Few will deny that Medicare and Medicaid for the elderly in our society are good government-run healthcare programs. Likewise, most people understand many of the shortcomings of the privately run healthcare system, especially if they, or any of their loved ones, have ever needed to utilize it.

The US ranks among the lowest of the industrialized nations in healthcare coverage. Indeed, practically all industrialized countries have some form of national healthcare system.

Both of the major political parties in the US are beholden way too much to the private healthcare companies, pharmaceutical companies, and the hospital industry. It's time for the politicians to stand up for the people and help ensure that our basic needs are covered.

In my case, I am not asking for a handout. I want to purchase health insurance, but I am being denied for totally ridiculous reasons, by a private healthcare system that puts profits before people...

I hope for the sake of the Democratic Party (which I am often at odds with), and for the sake of the nation, that some form of healthcare reform gets passed this year, as well as a good jobs package, so that we can move forward as a nation, and not get mired in more right wing Republican double-talk, which only enriches the richest of the country (while manipulating the activist, but seriously delusional, Tea Party kooks and others, to do their bidding).



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The Demon

Keep on pretending you're an individial since your stupidity is limitless.

HAHAHA I forgot, the Democrats are "for the people". Hilarious.

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Vendzilla

Have you noticed that we hear less about loses now? Did soldiers stop getting killed or is it the media?

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BFT3K

In a civilized society healthcare should be a RIGHT, and NOT a privilege.... period.

Vendzilla

Dude, you are completely right
The dems didn't see this as a threat, they thought that everyone was happy with the way they were doing things, they were completely oblivious of the discontent of the populous. I watched a couple of the ads that got ran, Coakley blew
Everyone dicounts the tea party as a bunch of nut jobs, but in fact, they bring in the votes, weither you agree with them or not

Healthcare needs to be overhauled, but not in back room deals and certainly not for the approval of unions and special interest
They need to listen to what the doctors are saying and not the AMA. I've talked to a couple of doctors, they are saying the same thing, get tort limits, number one, but the democrats aren't going to do that, WHY? Because guess what, Obama is a lawyer, Obamas wife is a lawyer, Clinton is a lawyer, most of the dems are lawyers, they don't want limits on torts, but if you can lower the payout on torts, then come up with a plan for what tests to run, instead of running every test thats availible so that in court they don't say, why didn't run that test?
The whole thing is crazy and they need to scrap everything they have started, they need to forget about a government ran health care system, ( ever been to a VA hospital? think the movie Article 99 ) and just work on common sence changes in the way things are done.

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think about that