Manifesto of Pilot who crashed his plane into the IRS

[Wizzo]

http://embeddedart.com/ Interesting read!

[mikesinner]

what a winey douchebag

[David!]

Wow, surreal.
After having dealt with the IRS on many occasions I can sympathize with that guy as you DO NOT WANT to be in the IRS' sight.
Although I would not condone crashing a plane into a building that might result in the death of people who have nothing to do with the IRS.

[mayabong]

Anyone seen From Freedom to Fascism the documentary (free online) where the guy goes around asking all these congressman and IRS people to show him a law requiring people to pay income tax and noone can give an answer. The one girl in the movie who quit the IRS and quit paying her taxes cause she couldn't find law.. is now in prison and is supposedly very ill right now..

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Anyone seen From Freedom to Fascism the documentary (free online) where the guy goes around asking all these congressman and IRS people to show him a law requiring people to pay income tax and noone can give an answer. The one girl in the movie who quit the IRS and quit paying her taxes cause she couldn't find law.. is now in prison and is supposedly very ill right now..

Income tax is against the constitution.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Income tax is against the constitution.

Tell that to the IRS, owe them money, and they will make your life so miserable you'll want to fly a plane into a building...

[EdgeXXX]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Tell that to the IRS, owe them money, and they will make your life so miserable you'll want to fly a plane into a building...

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Tell that to the IRS, owe them money, and they will make your life so miserable you'll want to fly a plane into a building...

Some people do actually win in court against the IRS. Taking the unconstitutional stance.

[marcop]

I was a computer consultant when that 1986/7 tax law change he quotes was created. I, and a lot of other programmers, believed this change was paid for by Ross Perot, who then owned EDS.

[Wizzo]

Looks like it was pulled down...

[Wizzo]

Thanks to Google here it is:

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here?

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

[Wizzo]

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.sht...ommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

Note:

· "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

· "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

· "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.



Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

[Wizzo]

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.



The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.


Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010

[TheSenator]

Unfortunately, his action will add more draconian laws to protect our freedoms.


Did you hear the statement from the Texas governor?

He said...tyrants and anarchy....

[danclips]

Thanks. I was just going to ask if anyone found a copy. It's even been removed from the internet.archive.

Someone really doesn't want anyone to see this.

[uno]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Some people do actually win in court against the IRS. Taking the unconstitutional stance.

I'd imagine you need to find a pretty whacky judge for that to happen.

[EdgeXXX]

Originally Posted by danclips

Thanks. I was just going to ask if anyone found a copy. It's even been removed from the internet.archive.

Someone really doesn't want anyone to see this.

Yep, I saved a copy as soon as I saw it (to read later) because I had a feeling it would start disappearing.

[danclips]

"I'd imagine you need to find a pretty whacky judge for that to happen."

Or an incredibly sane one.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by danclips

Thanks. I was just going to ask if anyone found a copy. It's even been removed from the internet.archive.

Someone really doesn't want anyone to see this.

May it have longlife here on GFY!

[EdgeXXX]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Unfortunately, his action will add more draconian laws to protect our freedoms.


Did you hear the statement from the Texas governor?

He said...tyrants and anarchy....

According to his "manifesto" that is exactly what he is hoping for:

"I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are."

[TheSenator]

The dude is starting to sound more like a Tea Bagger.

[EdgeXXX]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

The dude is starting to sound more like a Tea Bagger.

I don't know, sounds like he was pretty willing to "pay the price" to me...


Edit: We may have different definitions of a "teabagger"

[Young]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

The dude is starting to sound more like a Tea Bagger.

I actually agreed with a lot of what he had to say in the first couple of paragraphs.

The federal government IS in bed with corporations. And will bail out irresponsible greedy CEO's before they would hard working Americans. The Health Care system IS fucked and insurance companies would much rather see someone die than have to pay their medical bills for them.

Sure he's a nut for flying a plane into a building but it doesn't make his beef wrong. Just went about addressing it in the wrong way.

[KBoogie]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

May it have longlife here on GFY!

HAHAHA LOVE IT! Nothing dies here!

The anniversary of 911 this last year i went back to the thread that started when the first plane hit and read the whole thing. It was very surreal reading it so long after knowing what we know now and reading everyones opinions early on.

[EdgeXXX]

Originally Posted by Young

I actually agreed with a lot of what he had to say in the first couple of paragraphs.

The federal government IS in bed with corporations. And will bail out irresponsible greedy CEO's before they would hard working Americans. The Health Care system IS fucked and insurance companies would much rather see someone die than have to pay their medical bills for them.

Sure he's a nut for flying a plane into a building but it doesn't make his beef wrong. Just went about addressing it in the wrong way.

Well said.

[Loki]

I skimmed the 'manifesto' am I right that according to him, the tax laws state that he was NOT required to pay taxes cause of what he did for a living???

IF that's the case don't we all fall under that lovely 'law'

-Loki-

[EdgeXXX]

Originally Posted by vdc-Loki

I skimmed the 'manifesto' am I right that according to him, the tax laws state that he was NOT required to pay taxes cause of what he did for a living???

IF that's the case don't we all fall under that lovely 'law'

-Loki-

No, from what I understand Section 1706 is more like a "double jeopardy" indemnification tax clause where the taxes of the contractor are paid by the contractor and AGAIN by the company that hired them (along with a ton of hoops and loopholes). Thus making companies hesitant in hiring contractors.

http://answers.google.com/answers/th...id/784959.html

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

The dude is starting to sound more like a Tea Bagger.

Then you did not read the whole letter and found out he loved communism

[u-Bob]

R i p

[Naughty]

Offline/

[TheSenator]

He owned an air place.... How much do one of those small air planes cost?

[Wizzo]

Click it now, and it say the FBI asked to remove it but has a link to the smokinggun... lol

[EdgeXXX]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

He owned an air place.... How much do one of those small air planes cost?

Depends on the age of the plane (that model has been in production since the '60s). According to the reports, his home was around $232k which is about average for Austin (probably even a little below avg depending on the area).

[Loki]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Click it now, and it say the FBI asked to remove it but has a link to the smokinggun... lol

funny thing, the hosting company removed the smoking gun link a bit ago, but after reading your post I checked the page again and the link was back again.

from what I've read elsewhere online the FBI are trying to get ALL copies of the manifesto offline... I just don't see that happening.

Fox News is scrolling on their ticker "Read the full Manifesto at foxnews.com"

-Loki-

[Loki]

Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

No, from what I understand Section 1706 is more like a "double jeopardy" indemnification tax clause where the taxes of the contractor are paid by the contractor and AGAIN by the company that hired them (along with a ton of hoops and loopholes). Thus making companies hesitant in hiring contractors.

http://answers.google.com/answers/th...id/784959.html

Ahh, ok. Like I said I only skimmed the thing, trying to get the jist of it.

The entire US Tax laws have always confused the shit out of me, but that what my accountant is for

I do recall that their is supposedly some verbiage on one or more of the tax forms that says something along the lines of "I voluntarily pay......" I'm no scholar but if it is indeed voluntary why ruin lives if people don't voluntarily pay

-Loki-

-Loki-

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by MCO_David

Wow, surreal.
After having dealt with the IRS on many occasions I can sympathize with that guy as you DO NOT WANT to be in the IRS' sight.
Although I would not condone crashing a plane into a building that might result in the death of people who have nothing to do with the IRS.

jez what a story

[Loch]

Clearly an educated guy from reading that letter....just had enough

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by vdc-Loki

The entire US Tax laws have always confused the shit out of me, but that what my accountant is for

Your not alone, the head of IRS testified before congress about 6mo ago and stated that it would impossible for any one person to understand the tax code...

[Loki]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Your not alone, the head of IRS testified before congress about 6mo ago and stated that it would impossible for any one person to understand the tax code...

And sadly it's like that for damn good reason

-Loki-

[TheSenator]

Joseph Andrew Stack is a terrorist and a Tea Bagger(he hate paying taxes).

[bronco67]

So his answer is to attack an institution, which employs Americans he could possibly kill? What a fuckhead.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by bronco67

So his answer is to attack an institution, which employs Americans he could possibly kill? What a fuckhead.

yeah that's what terrorists do.

[MrMaxwell]

Income tax is based on "voluntary compliance"
They publicly fail to answer why they're REQUIRING people to file
They will give a generalization. "You have to stop at a red light, or you get a ticket."
That wasn't the question you god damned life stealing human waste.
There's a LAW saying that I HAVE TO.
Ask again, get the same bullshit.

Income taxes are meant for corporate income.
Even than amendment wasn't properly ratified.
The 13th, was it?

Even worse,
What they call income, for the average worker, is not income at all... it is a non taxable EXCHANGE.

God damn the IRS and anyone who doesn't hate them,
I hope that they all #&#&#)%&)& a horrible and slow *($&*&)&% for the lives they've ruined. For good people they've harmed. For ever dime they've ever STRONG ARMED while wearing a "clean face".

[fatfoo]

Pilot crashed plane into IRS. This is very tragic. It is illogical to do such things. It really is.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

Income tax is based on "voluntary compliance"
They publicly fail to answer why they're REQUIRING people to file
They will give a generalization. "You have to stop at a red light, or you get a ticket."
That wasn't the question you god damned life stealing human waste.
There's a LAW saying that I HAVE TO.
Ask again, get the same bullshit.

Income taxes are meant for corporate income.
Even than amendment wasn't properly ratified.
The 13th, was it?

Even worse,
What they call income, for the average worker, is not income at all... it is a non taxable EXCHANGE.

God damn the IRS and anyone who doesn't hate them,
I hope that they all #&#&#)%&)& a horrible and slow *($&*&)&% for the lives they've ruined. For good people they've harmed. For ever dime they've ever STRONG ARMED while wearing a "clean face".

They turned everyone into a corporation. Then you claim to be said corporation. This is how they get away with it legally. They just didn't tell anyone. Convenient this happened in a state with two republicans damn near close to losing to a tea party candidate.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by Young

Sure he's a nut for flying a plane into a building but it doesn't make his beef wrong. Just went about addressing it in the wrong way.

At least that's the picture the media will paint of him. You sure won't see them making a martyr of him.

Unfortunately he was right in assuming that his writing would be pointless. He may bring eyes to his manifesto and maybe change a few minds, but for the most part he will be discredited and his name filthed upon for years to come.

God bless our loving internet for making sure his "manifesto" never just "goes away". Change takes action. Maybe he felt it was time to take action, and maybe he was right.

[Joshua G]

its a little scary, all the people going psycho lately.

[Mr Happy]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Income tax is against the constitution.

You are 100% right!

However the Government is re-wrting the constition as we speak and make up new laws as they go.

[Major (Tom)]

Hey,
they did this stuff in france a few hundred years ago. You push people far enough and they will react.
Duke

[smax]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Convenient this happened in a state with two republicans damn near close to losing to a tea party candidate.

The incumbent is around 40%, KBH is low 30's and the tea party candidate has never broke 15%, so ya I guess they are damn close to losing to a tea party candidate...