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papill0n · 03-11-2010, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

the fact is the previous affiliate agreement was a valid contract for the members that signup under that agreement, and the "lifetime" revshare from those people should be paid out.

you can't just void your previous commitments/responsibilities (at least under canadian laws)

while the tos change would justify not paying out revshare on the POST DEC 2009 sales nothing legally justifies voiding the previous fiscal responsibility.

affilates who are screwed should get together to sue for the net present value of the income stream stolen.

please list your mental health issues

GTS Mark · 03-11-2010, 10:02 PM

It's unfortunate because i used to make really good money with these guys but i ran into very similar circumstances where they wanted to stop paying me for my old sales.

Oh well what can you do...

closer · 03-11-2010, 10:44 PM

I've seen this happen with another program without even changing the terms, lifetime revenue it was, well, the affiliate promoted them heavily for one year and decided to stop promoting them to give space to another program but was still receiving revshares. The program decided that was not fair and just deleted their account.

I suppose LIFETIME is like 1 week these days

rowan · 03-11-2010, 11:33 PM

"Lifetime commissions (on new spenders only) will be reinstated right after you regain Active Affiliate status"

I may be misunderstanding the wording but am I correct in assuming that if you dip below 5 qualified/month for a couple of months the revshare on your EXISTING memberships is also dropped, permanently? In other words all links with members are lost even once you're back at 5+, your account is basically like a brand new opened one.

It's one thing to suspend... it's another to effectively delete and create-as-new...

mule · 03-12-2010, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gsx-R

Mule, how much did you lose from revshare members due to this change of Terms?

It wasn't too bad, $174.48
The last week though there were no earnings whatsoever, something that had never happened before...that was probably when they disconnected all my previous spenders from my account.

mule · 03-12-2010, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan

"Lifetime commissions (on new spenders only) will be reinstated right after you regain Active Affiliate status"

I may be misunderstanding the wording but am I correct in assuming that if you dip below 5 qualified/month for a couple of months the revshare on your EXISTING memberships is also dropped, permanently? In other words all links with members are lost even once you're back at 5+, your account is basically like a brand new opened one.

It's one thing to suspend... it's another to effectively delete and create-as-new...

Nope, you're not misunderstanding. My account was reset to 0 qualified members.

roly · 03-12-2010, 04:01 AM

i don't use camsense but surely this is fairly clear cut win, legally. don't you have small claims courts in the US?

PornMD · 03-12-2010, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Choker

There have been too many cases in which affiliates have not been actively working to send new traffic to our sites for months, in some cases years, and have still been collecting commissions on past spenders. Meanwhile, there are other affiliates who have been working hard to deliver new traffic to our sites each month. These partners are much more invested in the current success of our business, and it is those affiliates that we want to ensure are rewarded for their efforts.

Translation: We should never have said "lifetime revshare" but did so anyways because it was a nice shiny statement to attract new affiliates. Rather than live with the error of our ways by living up to the words we used to get those old affiliates, we're choosing to fuck them and focus on newer affiliates, whom we'll be fucking in a couple years' time. We hope you understand.

BTW, ironically I had tweeted an observation last night before I had seen this thread: Good changes: "Check out these new features!" Bad Changes: "We've recently updated our 100-page TOS, please read/accept."

BoardiesBitch · 03-12-2010, 04:13 AM

if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

PornMD · 03-12-2010, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

False advertising?

It says you earn on ALL of your viewers spend for life. It also says ONE big spender can earn you thousands. Not true. If you only have ONE big spender spending thousands would make you nothing.

Camsense if you are proud of your new changes and think there is nothing wrong with it why dont you put the information that there is min sales requirements to be met on the front page real big so everyone can see?

Sadly, I see some loopholes in their wording:

"40% LIFETIME Revenue Share Program" - the only non-loophole line
"Earn as much as 40% of all your viewers spend for life." - "As much as" = could be 0% could be 40%
"Landing a big spender could earn you thousands annually!" - "could" = could or could not...you could earn that much but you may possibly not earn that much, which opens the possibility of earning $0.

I see this wording shit all the time. Particularly the phrase "you can win XYZ" is abused so much in so many places basically trying to fool people into thinking in their minds it says "you WILL win XYZ". It's awful how 1 word can basically make a sentence complete bullshit and hollow.

ErectMedia · 03-12-2010, 04:19 AM

old sales should still be honored under the original agreement as those were the terms when you sent any old whales that continue to spend, changing the terms to say you have to keep sending a minimum amount of current spenders for old sales to be paid is horseshit as many people stop promoting programs after a while if they find something better, guess the new questions will be "What's your definition of Lifetime?" and then "What will be your definition of Lifetime be in a year or 2?" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lifetime glad I never promoted that shit

darksoul · 03-12-2010, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

Doesn't matter how many you send. You should be paid for your work.
I never actively promoted camsense because of their subpar revshare commission.
But if one of the sponsors I'm promoting would pull such a thing I'd drop them in a heart beat.
There are plenty of options out there and no need to support such shaddy practices.

mule · 03-12-2010, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

If I were a big enough idiot to put all my webcam eggs in one basket, I'd have been sending 50 joins a month. Now there's your cue: say 50 joins a month is peanuts. It'll make you feel big and important.

bdld · 03-12-2010, 05:15 AM

plain and simple, it's theft.

VladS · 03-12-2010, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

If you do not send 5 new qualified spenders per month, each month, you lose your previous earnings. That means if you have kept sending quality traffic to CamSense and have a nice base of whales and it happens that one month you don't send 5 new qualified spenders, you basically lose all of your previous work.

It's just like you say: "Hey CamSense, i have not been a good affiliate this month; i did not send 5 new qualified spenders. Here CamSense, take my previous work and keep it. I'll just start over again from scratch."

MaDalton · 03-12-2010, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

you're missing the point

Quagmire · 03-12-2010, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

you're missing the point

No, he isn't. He's trooooooooooooooooooooooooolling.

roly · 03-12-2010, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

you're missing the point completely or you work for camsense.

Tickler · 03-12-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

So if one sends a 1000 sales a month spread over 1000 sponsors they should be in another business!

I guess a lot of us oldtimers that don't put all our eggs in one basket should quit then.

HandballJim · 03-13-2010, 01:11 AM

this is makes no business sense, many affiliates just starting out have to work hard for just 1 sale...and when they get that 1 sale its like hitting the lottery. Then because they did not read every word on a the terms...they get canned by the program for not producing. This is a great way to fail in my opinion, and lose that affiliate for life.

a little affiliate now can turn into a monster producer in the future.

See my Sig. for a Cams sponsor that converts with no hidden strings. + sign up bonus.

sitesurfer70 · 03-13-2010, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by closer

I've seen this happen with another program without even changing the terms, lifetime revenue it was, well, the affiliate promoted them heavily for one year and decided to stop promoting them to give space to another program but was still receiving revshares. The program decided that was not fair and just deleted their account.

I suppose LIFETIME is like 1 week these days

Is not even lifetime revshare if this is the case......Is just stupid logic to do this to make webmaster keep pushing them in order to get new sales.....I got a sale from a paysite I hardly push...but when I get the sales...it rebilled for more than a year....if every program does not honor revshare....might as well just offer big PPS links only...

will76 · 03-13-2010, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BoardiesBitch

if sending 5 signups PER MONTH is too much for you, then you should definitely try to find another business...

lmao.... thanks for the laugh.

Trax · 03-13-2010, 06:51 AM

this is royally fucked up.
fuck them
bump

mule · 03-13-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Trax

this is royally fucked up.
fuck them
bump

..ity bump

lazycash · 03-13-2010, 10:41 AM

There was a thread about this last month, http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/952684-camsense-paid.html

acrylix · 03-13-2010, 08:38 PM

Thanks, just added to my "do not promote" list.

EvilHearts · 03-14-2010, 12:22 AM

CamSense makes no sense! lol

Thats a nice shave

v4 media · 03-14-2010, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

seems pretty straightforward doesn't it.. just like if you bought a house and the bank changed the terms to say you must give him handjobs every month to keep your house. You would probably want to go with the old contract.

My bank manager's a hot milf Id happily tickle her fajita every month.

Roald · 03-17-2010, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Gsx-R

If you do not send 5 new qualified spenders per month, each month, you lose your previous earnings. That means if you have kept sending quality traffic to CamSense and have a nice base of whales and it happens that one month you don't send 5 new qualified spenders, you basically lose all of your previous work.

It's just like you say: "Hey CamSense, i have not been a good affiliate this month; i did not send 5 new qualified spenders. Here CamSense, take my previous work and keep it. I'll just start over again from scratch."

DVTimes · 02-11-2011, 05:48 AM

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=1790...1#post17908209

03-11-2010, 10:02 PM	#52
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03-12-2010, 04:19 AM	#61
ErectMedia Confirmed Chicago Pimp Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 7,100	old sales should still be honored under the original agreement as those were the terms when you sent any old whales that continue to spend, changing the terms to say you have to keep sending a minimum amount of current spenders for old sales to be paid is horseshit as many people stop promoting programs after a while if they find something better, guess the new questions will be "What's your definition of Lifetime?" and then "What will be your definition of Lifetime be in a year or 2?" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lifetime glad I never promoted that shit __________________ Domain Name Registration Web3 Domains Last edited by ErectMedia; 03-12-2010 at 04:29 AM..

03-13-2010, 01:11 AM	#70
HandballJim Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 4,024	this is makes no business sense, many affiliates just starting out have to work hard for just 1 sale...and when they get that 1 sale its like hitting the lottery. Then because they did not read every word on a the terms...they get canned by the program for not producing. This is a great way to fail in my opinion, and lose that affiliate for life. a little affiliate now can turn into a monster producer in the future. See my Sig. for a Cams sponsor that converts with no hidden strings. + sign up bonus. __________________ HOW I MAKE LOTS OF $$$ Last edited by HandballJim; 03-13-2010 at 01:12 AM.. Reason: .

03-13-2010, 10:41 AM	#75
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03-11-2010, 10:44 PM	#53
closer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: ICQ :: 34739932 :: Les Pays-Bas Posts: 1,707	I've seen this happen with another program without even changing the terms, lifetime revenue it was, well, the affiliate promoted them heavily for one year and decided to stop promoting them to give space to another program but was still receiving revshares. The program decided that was not fair and just deleted their account. I suppose LIFETIME is like 1 week these days

03-11-2010, 11:33 PM	#54
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	"Lifetime commissions (on new spenders only) will be reinstated right after you regain Active Affiliate status" I may be misunderstanding the wording but am I correct in assuming that if you dip below 5 qualified/month for a couple of months the revshare on your EXISTING memberships is also dropped, permanently? In other words all links with members are lost even once you're back at 5+, your account is basically like a brand new opened one. It's one thing to suspend... it's another to effectively delete and create-as-new...

03-12-2010, 04:01 AM	#57
roly Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,844	i don't use camsense but surely this is fairly clear cut win, legally. don't you have small claims courts in the US?

03-12-2010, 05:15 AM	#64
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	plain and simple, it's theft.

03-13-2010, 06:51 AM	#73
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	this is royally fucked up. fuck them bump

03-13-2010, 08:38 PM	#76
acrylix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 362	Thanks, just added to my "do not promote" list.

03-14-2010, 12:22 AM	#77
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