NaughtyRob

Its a done deal for the health care bill.

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GrouchyAdmin

Thanks for the twitter repost.

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IllTestYourGirls

Congrats to the winners.. Drug and insurance companies.

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Houdini

So much for the "Public will have 5 days to look at every bill that lands on my desk." lol

Agent 488

oh jesus ... get me an oxy.

IllTestYourGirls

I totally forgot about that lie!


Well the whole bill IS corporate welfare.

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stickyfingerz

He may of been signing a contract saying he only wants to be pres for 4 years.

MK Ultra

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The Demon

Definitely looks that way.

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IllTestYourGirls

What happens if someone is making $250k a year gets laid off, loses their health insurance and gets cancer the next week? Has the bill changed anything for that person?

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PornMD

In half the words of Joe Biden, "big fucking deal".

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nation-x

OMG we live in a communist/socialist country now... better stock up on food, water and munitions... Armageddon is near! John Boehner said so.

MK Ultra

is it Democracy when a bill that 59% of Americans opposed gets rammed down our throats?

Better learn how to start bowing to your masters in Washington

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The Demon

Oh he's already been doing that. And I believe it's a lot more than 59% lol.. Just wait until November, it will all be over then.

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nation-x

elections have consequences...

cwd

"...our success in bringing health care costs under control ultimately depends on whether Washington can summon the political will to take on and reform a second, even more powerful industry: the food industry.

We?re spending $147 billion to treat obesity, $116 billion to treat diabetes, and hundreds of billions more to treat cardiovascular disease and the many types of cancer that have been linked to the so-called Western diet.

The market for prescription drugs and medical devices to manage Type 2 diabetes, which the Centers for Disease Control estimates will afflict one in three Americans born after 2000, is one of the brighter spots in the American economy. As things stand, the health care industry finds it more profitable to treat chronic diseases than to prevent them."

a good/scary read...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/opinion/10pollan.html

nation-x

FACT: Facts that start with FACT: are rarely facts at all.

The Demon

FACT: When someone make a posts like the one above, it means he doesn't any legitimate rebuttal or post to make.

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TheDoc

His quote says, you have 5 days to look at the bill BEFORE I sign it... he didn't say, once the bill reaches his desk, you then have 5 days - that would be a stupid way to run a business.

GFY and the media broke down several key parts of the bill throughout posts last week.

This bill has been online for more than 5 days, parts have been up for over a month.

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IllTestYourGirls

This is just the start. Total control.

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smutnut

Finally. Most of the anti-Obama loud mouths will probably start shutting up now or changing their log ins. Unless they were legit to begin with (GOOD GOD!), which opens up an entire second can of worms I'm glad never infected my thinking!

mikeyddddd

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smutnut

There's nothing like bleeding from the asshole and having only a tampon as your remedy

The Demon

Yea you don't possess an inkling of intelligence. And why would we shut up? Obama has committed political suicide and this only works to the Republicans' advantage come November. +1 for reality

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weekly

Nah, this is a two term president. The Republicans fucked up the US so badly, that it will take that long to recover. Oh wait...Sarah Palin will win the next campaign. LMFAO

The Demon

Sarah Palin has a better chance than Obama LMFAO

And the Democrats have fucked up the economy more in 1 year, than the Republicans did in 8. Then again, Weekly is too stupid to realize that the Dems controlled the house and senate from 01-03 and starting in 07 to now. But here come the double standards! When Obama does something right, it's him. When he does something wrong, it's the congress. And when Bush fucked up it was all him! Roflrofl morons.

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smutnut

I was expecting you sort of!

I don't even want to respond the that Sarah Palin post. I'll give you points for having heart!

weekly

The silent majority want this bill. Rednecks are looking like the morons they are. Pissed off because a nigra and a bitch has more power than Billy Bob and the boys down at the Stuck Pig Barbecue shack. Imagine a nigra tellin' good ol boys what to do. But when Bobby Sue chokes on a wishbone and gets fixed good down at the sawbones, you know they will be saying a silent prayer and thanking Obama that they won't lose their trailer home and that Ford Ranchero classic rustbucket parked on the driveway with a view of the Interstate.

smutnut

That's pretty much how I'm starting to feel too. As much as I hate to feel it's that simple, I'm really deep down inside feeling that's exactly how it is

The Demon

Ladies and gentlemen, look at the delusion and rationalization from the liberals. They've really got nothing to fight for, and facts are against them so they're going to make up shit and call them facts, in order to avoid committing suicide.

All of a sudden, there's a "silent majority." What this means is, the majority of people is against the bill and the only way to rationalize the bill is to claim there's a fictional silent majority.

Then you get a bunch of emotional gibberish that makes no sense.. And there you have it, insanity at its best.

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weekly

Most things are really simple. If they are not, there is usually a problem. Wall street and bogus monetary instruments, for instance. What the fuck is a derivative anyway. Get back to basics. Trade stocks and bonds....that's it. Anything else fucks with the market. Simple. The radical right made this health care bill complex when it never needed to be. Their only hope is to win an election. You gotta admire a guy like Obama who takes a huge gamble at great personal risk.
Behold the turtle, he only makes progress when he sticks his neck out.

nation-x

So much for your theory

smutnut

Dude, please tell me you're making ten million dollars a year and are worried about your investments, or that you are at least like making 5-10 and worried about how to diversify. I can't figure how you don't want even the worst case scenario from Obama if you're pulling in under a million a year.

smutnut

You should probably go to your republican leadership and have them fix up the electoral college.

Just for the record. America is not a democracy; it's a republic. But don't take my word for it, look it up.

nation-x

See poll... thx... it says 50% are pleased at the least

TheDoc

Hehehe... that's a great poll.

It's about time the majority gets what they have been screaming for, for decades now.

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Matt 26z

Many opposed it because of the right wing lies.

Decades from now people are going to look back on this hysteria and laugh.

The Demon

So NOW polls are valid? LOL

Give it a few days. You'll be back to telling me polls don't matter and "fear mongering", etc.

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The Demon

Many support it because the left wing lies. See how easy that was?

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TheDoc

Let's take a look at some examples

.....the overheated claims and counterclaims about healthcare reform have produced widespread confusion about what the new legislation will actually do. Here are a few of the most overblown concerns:

The government will take over one sixth of the economy. That would be alarming if it were true. But government involvement in healthcare will increase gradually over time and remain modest, especially since there's no "public option" in the current plan that would set up a government-run insurer. If you have doubts, consider the attitude of professional investors, who would stand to lose a lot if the government took over healthcare. They don't exactly seem worried. Shares of health insurers like Aetna, UnitedHealth, Wellpoint, and Cigna--subject to the strongest new rules under reform--have outperformed the stock market over the past year. The pharmaceutical and hospital industries also are considered winners because there will be millions of new customers who suddenly have insurance that can pay for treatment. That led the entire stock market higher the day after reform passed. In fact, it's hard to identify any part of the private-sector healthcare industry that stands to lose under reform.

The federal debt will explode. It might, but not because of healthcare reform. The Congressional Budget Office--which is probably the most reliable, nonpartisan number-crunching outfit in Washington--says the reforms will reduce government deficits by $143 billion through 2019, thanks to new taxes and fees and cost savings in government healthcare programs like Medicare. But opponents of the bill and powerful lobbying groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce say otherwise, and they seem to have had a stronger influence on public opinion than CBO's methodical analysis. A recent poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation, for example, found that 55 percent of Americans mistakenly believe the CBO has said the healthcare legislation will add to the deficit. Only 15 percent know that CBO has said the opposite.

Doctors will revolt. Doctors don't like the current system, in which insurance companies call the shots. But instead of sweeping reform and more government involvement, they prefer gradual reform that puts more control in the hands of ... doctors. In one recent survey, nearly one third of physicians said they'd consider leaving medicine if reform passes, which it now has. Doctors worry that the new rules will cut into their incomes--which may happen, eventually. But it's implausible that thousand of doctors who have dedicated years to a complex profession will simply quit. What will they do? Become accountants? Open a Subway franchise? Besides, with millions of new patients seeking care, the demand for doctors will actually rise, not decline. And if cost controls discourage the docs who are in it to get rich, maybe that will help bring costs down for everybody else. Meanwhile, the American Medical Association and dozens of other physicians' lobbying groups will continue to look out for doctors' interests in Washington.

Businesses will suffer. The new rules will impose fees on businesses with more than 50 employees if their workers receive government subsidies to buy insurance in lieu of employer-provided coverage. Business groups complain that this could stunt economic growth and slow hiring. But businesses are more resourceful than that. It's true that many companies will have to absorb additional costs, which they do every year anyway when health insurance premiums go up. But well-run companies excel at solving problems. That's what makes them successful. Smart entrepreneurs salivate at the chance to outcompete bigger firms that can't manage challenges like this. And companies already pass on the rising costs of healthcare to their employees; there's no reason to expect that will change if they can't manage costs some other way. There's also an outside chance that the new insurance exchanges will make life easier for small businesses, as intended, by giving their workers a way to buy coverage at rates comparable to what big companies are able to negotiate.

Socalized medicine is on the way. In the Kaiser poll, 41 percent of respondents said they believe the new law would require people who already get insurance through their employer to change their coverage. But most people who already have health coverage won't have to change anything, unless they want to. The new rules will have the most direct impact on people who don't have coverage, or who don't get it through an employer. Those who fear the advent of "socialized medicine" mainly seem to worry that the current set of reforms is just Phase 1, to be followed by bigger changes that will replace doctors with bureaucrats and render individual patients even more powerless than they are now. This is supposed to happen despite the likelihood that the Democrats who supported reform will lose seats in the November elections, while Republicans who opposed reform will gain seats. It seems much more likely that after surviving the battles of the last year, the current for-profit healthcare industry will be with us for the foreseeable future.


Source: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/5-Over...&asset=&ccode=

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baddog

As a matter of fact, that is exactly what he said. Go to 1:07 in the video.

nation-x

Since when did I say all polls were invalid. Some polls like gallup are generally fair... you have look at the questions asked to see whether it's a valid poll or not. For example: "Do you support a government takeover of healthcare?" would generally gain an overwhelmingly negative response.

Matt 26z

The US food industry needs does indeed need further regulation. There are so many chemicals in our food stuply that have been banned around the world. In the US it is nearly impossible to eat three healthy meals a day.

The Demon

I'm not sure if it was you or the other moronic liberals on this forum I get you guys mixed up. When presented with a poll that goes against them, they scream "it's not real" or "scare tactic."

Also
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

And finally, polls do not in any way represent the majority of Americans, which is why everytime I post a poll, I add "if polls are to be believed." Not to mention, the poll is kinda contradictory considering the day before, Americans were still overwhelmingly against the bill which must mean they wanted something to pass rather than nothing.

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nation-x

Today's Republican press conference about the signing of the bill.

The Demon

Yes yes everything needs regulation blah blah blah.

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smutnut

Shouldn't this shit be more relevant to someone like Donald Trump or someone who is even less of a figure head and even more of a player for real?

I mean I'm glad you're looking out for me and everything, but how does this hurt my bottom line and how will you help me fix it?

The Demon

btw Nation take another look at the polls. The majority of Independents and Republicans don't support it.

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nation-x

As far as Independants go... I would call 46 to 45 an even split... neither one a majority. The part you are missing is that a good percentage of those who oppose the bill wanted a public option.