Enough is enough, affiliates STEP INSIDE! - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

tonyparra · 04-06-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

What is the difference between ranking: paysiteiscool.com and ranking randomdomain.com/paysite or paysite.randomdomain.com ?

Furthermore, I ask sponsors to think of this... go to Google and type in your pay site name. Would you rather see 100 listings of sites with silly domains and 10 free pics promoting you? Or 100 listings of message boards, torrent directories, and tube sites giving away full length videos?

ftw

TeenCat · 04-06-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

Quite simple.

Program pays $20,000 (less/more) to create not only content, but a brandable site.

You spend $10 to 'take' that name and redirect it to them.

Sometimes they get pissed and want it back. Kind of a bitch move on both parts.

you guys are still talking about two different thing. in one thread you guys are talking about seo possitions and in second thread about redirect. redirect cannot have seo listings, redirect is 10 bucks. but nice free seo site with 4 galleries and nice seo listings may take weeks to get listed on the first place or page. do not mix fruits with potatoes. lets hope nastydollars will be not mixing it, but i am waiting over week for replies from nd support, so lets hope next reply will be not some letter from their lawyer cause of their fucking lazy support team

TeenCat · 04-06-2010, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenCat

man but something else is doing redirects and something else is making seo sites to get ranked better than all that free forums and tube sites

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Originally Posted by Sly

Furthermore, I ask sponsors to think of this... go to Google and type in your pay site name. Would you rather see 100 listings of sites with silly domains and 10 free pics promoting you? Or 100 listings of message boards, torrent directories, and tube sites giving away full length videos?

nation-x · 04-07-2010, 04:12 AM

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ottopottomouse · 04-07-2010, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Furthermore, I ask sponsors to think of this... go to Google and type in your pay site name. Would you rather see 100 listings of sites with silly domains and 10 free pics promoting you? Or 100 listings of message boards, torrent directories, and tube sites giving away full length videos?

Although that is a good point it is probably not how the sponsors are looking at domain grabbing.

They will be looking at it from the view of boohoo we only own 1 result on the first page of Google and are paying out to all the other 9. If we demand the other domains and people just hand them over we suddenly own all 10 results on the first page of Google and aren't having to give out a cut of profits.

This sort of thing does smell less of lawyers and more of accountants who I have seen in the past make a huge fucking mess of a business by doing a bit of penny-pinching for short term gain. No forward thinking about how fast the other domains will disappear off the face of the earth without the effort that had been put in by the original owner (or that destroying something you are being forced to give away is easy) and anybody suggesting the idea of 1 result + 9 affiliates being replaced by 1 result + 9 warez links will probably be met with a lalalala fingers in ears don't want to hear that as I don't fully understand response.

With regard to protecting a trademark on a name I can see it being justified getting upset about an affiliate running [sponsorsite]tgp.com but partly that is the fault of the sponsor for not registering it.

ErectMedia · 04-07-2010, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by pradaboy

If they do not even own the trademarks for the domains they do not have a strong case.

Actually all they have to do is show business usage under that name regardless of being trademarked. So if Nasty Dollars existed and was operating under that Business name before you bought NastyDollarsTGP etc... you would probably lose. I promote a lot of mainstream products through cj.com linkshare.com ebay amazon shopping etc... and under each advertiser that you sign up to promote they have terms of the affiliate program like you can't use our trademark on domain registrations or bid on our name for search advertising etc... Adult affiliate programs should create their own terms pages like the mainstream sponsors do so all the rules are open from the get go as whether a sponsor allows it or not is really up to them as it's their brand.

RadicalSights · 04-07-2010, 05:46 AM

They have to make $ somehow in the dead adult industry...

TeenCat · 04-07-2010, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RadicalSights

They have to make $ somehow in the dead adult industry...

now they can still steal from affiliates. but then what to do without affiliates who are sending you traffic? porn industry is killing itself cause some guys still needs velvet toilet papers at the moment but dont see the future

Voodoo · 04-07-2010, 07:54 AM

u-Bob · 04-07-2010, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Although that is a good point it is probably not how the sponsors are looking at domain grabbing.

They will be looking at it from the view of boohoo we only own 1 result on the first page of Google and are paying out to all the other 9. If we demand the other domains and people just hand them over we suddenly own all 10 results on the first page of Google and aren't having to give out a cut of profits.

....

No forward thinking about how fast the other domains will disappear off the face of the earth without the effort that had been put in by the original owner (or that destroying something you are being forced to give away is easy) and anybody suggesting the idea of 1 result + 9 affiliates being replaced by 1 result + 9 warez links will probably be met with a lalalala fingers in ears don't want to hear that as I don't fully understand response.

q f t

pradaboy · 04-07-2010, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ErectMedia

Actually all they have to do is show business usage under that name regardless of being trademarked. So if Nasty Dollars existed and was operating under that Business name before you bought NastyDollarsTGP etc... you would probably lose. I promote a lot of mainstream products through cj.com linkshare.com ebay amazon shopping etc... and under each advertiser that you sign up to promote they have terms of the affiliate program like you can't use our trademark on domain registrations or bid on our name for search advertising etc... Adult affiliate programs should create their own terms pages like the mainstream sponsors do so all the rules are open from the get go as whether a sponsor allows it or not is really up to them as it's their brand.

Ok let's say someone has BigNaturalsTGP.com or BigNaturalsVideos.com... that's a lot harder to defend since someone could simply be looking for big naturals and not specifically their site. They have at least a dozen of sites that fit that case.

munki · 04-07-2010, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Voodoo

SmokeyTheBear · 04-07-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by munki

Don't start getting pissy because people protect the trademarks and brandnames they've put actual work into. .

protecting trademarks by penalizing your own affiliates is the issue, nobody is against legit trademark infringment disputes that make sense. i.e. ( hustler.com using "topplayboyvideos.com" ).

The nature of the beast is this, its very simple.

search engines are the root of traffic, the nature is you search for something you get results, whether we like it or not , many of these results are irrelevent, some may have trademark issues but most of them you can't do anything about. If i start a website called "example.com" and dont have affiliates if you search example.com i will likely be #1 and then all the rest of the sites will be people not promoting me, so %1 of the top 100 results promote me. by allowing affiliates to promote me using "buyexample.com" , "bestexample.com", "freeexample.com" ,"topexample.com"etc i increase that percentage to 5% . i fail to see the downside, there is no dillution of the name.

SRT8 · 04-07-2010, 10:55 AM

thats why I am upset with this. it's not a matter of trademark or protecting anything imho. The people using domains to promote the said sponsor are doing so legitly for the most part I would think to make money for them and the sponsor. I think it's a win win. More traffic and backlinks for sponsor bigger presence better name recognition, more type in sales for their sites etc the list goes on. you start alienating your webmasters and their promotions the more it will hurt in the long run, maybe not right now or two weeks but time will tell all if they keep up these practices.

ErectMedia · 04-07-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pradaboy

Ok let's say someone has BigNaturalsTGP.com or BigNaturalsVideos.com... that's a lot harder to defend since someone could simply be looking for big naturals and not specifically their site. They have at least a dozen of sites that fit that case.

I agree as the more generic the term becomes the harder it gets to claim they own the exclusive rights to it. I haven't used nasty dollars or any other general multi girl site program since 2002-2006 or so as all I do now is mainstream, cams and solo girls and possibly dating soon so I'm not hip to all the current sites they run but I agree winning on something like captain stabbin would be easier than big naturals. One of the dangers of building on domains that could be considered trademarks is at any time they can change their minds and all the hard work you put in can be taken away. One reason all my developed sites are built on generic keyword domains.

jreg81 · 01-09-2015, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by munki

Stop complaining, and learn how to do some credible promotions outside of the realm of cheap misspell/redirect tricks capitalizing on other peoples hardwork and your abilities to take advantage. Don't start getting pissy because people protect the trademarks and brandnames they've put actual work into.

Just my 2 cents.

^^^^^^So this.

Slappin Fish · 01-09-2015, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jreg81

^^^^^^So this.

Good job bumping a 4 year old thread to add nothing

jreg81 · 01-09-2015, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

Good job bumping a 4 year old thread to add nothing

Likewise.

Bladewire · 01-09-2015, 12:51 AM

TeenCat · 01-10-2015, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

Good job bumping a 4 year old thread to add nothing

yeah, it is actual, because they changed their tos and now pushing affiliates to kill their hard seo work ... wtf?

you can have domain with paysite in the name, but you can have shitty serps, you can have domain with another name but you can have great serps, just some know it all who knows nothing about how seo works thinks you buy domain and voila, lets steal original paysite sales! oh, man, what a funny thinking ...

if program have in tos domains are not allowed, there is no problem and lets buy similar, but if there is no tos, why not buy directly the paysite name? come on ... it is no affiliates fault that program owners are blind and deaf or slow and lazy to protect their brand ...

TeenCat · 01-10-2015, 07:23 AM

it is 2015, if you cannot protect your brand, be happy that there are affiliates who are fighting piracy and trying to get better serps than all the piracy tubes and torrents! but i know, when sales are low, and you cant do nothing fucking nothing with pirates, so lets fuck with affiliates ... come on ...

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SRT8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 185	thats why I am upset with this. it's not a matter of trademark or protecting anything imho. The people using domains to promote the said sponsor are doing so legitly for the most part I would think to make money for them and the sponsor. I think it's a win win. More traffic and backlinks for sponsor bigger presence better name recognition, more type in sales for their sites etc the list goes on. you start alienating your webmasters and their promotions the more it will hurt in the long run, maybe not right now or two weeks but time will tell all if they keep up these practices.

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