CHMOD

I did a test yesterday : I bought publicity from a tube site.
He is one of the top when you type : "sex movies" in Google

I got 10 000 visitors from it.
Not a single sale.

Tube sites rocks

I remember when 3000 visitors would bring 15-20 signups

I think it is the first time ever that I see an industry killing itself.
Damn there are stupid people in XXX

andrej_NDC

Before, any idiot could be a webmaster and make sales. Luckily now people need to have a clue to do that. Competition is getting smaller every day.

SEO Expert

how much did you pay for it? and was it banner/link click traffic or some kind of skim?

Domain Broker

You're doing it wrong.

Robocrop

I bought within a very odd niche and make 7 signups on 13k.

$40 per signup ...

mikeyddddd

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fatfoo

Tube sites sure get a lot of visitors.

The problem is making money, because the tube sites offer so many porn videos for free. The surfers get all the free long porn videos they want for free, so they don't want to buy anything. Of course, the webmaster can still make money from things such selling online dating services.

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DamnGoodRatio

Tube Sites ae great if you aren't selling movies . . .

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Serge Litehead

we desperately need some international governing body restricting free porn for all access. whenever that happens that will be golden era v2 for online adult. porn desperately need to regain that 'taboo' thing going around it and still be legit - only way: free porn should be illegal.

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andrej_NDC

Free porn = advertising of paid porn.

Serge Litehead

and i mean it in the same way as there is no nudity/sex in public places, same should apply to public (free) sites, those which can be accessed by anyone including kids just by visiting a site. got a public site - no porn can show.

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Serge Litehead

yes, cover your nipples, vagina's and cocks )

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lazycash

Well you just bought publicity, next time tell them you want to buy some sales.

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andrej_NDC

Yes, that would work. If everyone started doing it.

SomeCreep

I love tube sites. I surf them everyday.

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Argos88

You need to sell something that is NOT offered for free.

papill0n

wow nothing gets past you man

gideongallery

what were you trying to sell

only an idiot would try and sell apples to people comming out of an all you can eat buffet.

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Bman

or trying to sell Cadillacs on skid row...

If your selling penis pills or an ebook on how to pick up sluts in your neighbourhood might work on tube sites but not selling paid porn,,

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holy cow you guys are way behind the times with selling dating and cams on tubes

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HomerSimpson

niched tubes with short vids convert good...
long vids tube can convert only dating/cams/pills and other products...

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andrej_NDC

They can sell paysite memberships just as good.

Raf1

it's much harder than it was, that's for sure

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teomaxxx

i did some testing on tubes with around 600 usd bought of traffic on trafficjunky network, the cost of click on average was around one cent as i was bidding the smallest possible amount and my whole campaign earned me around 500 bucks. i tried to sell something different then rest of advertisers...
maybe if i was program owner, i could breakeven and make some profit, but as affiliate not...

Ron2k1

Very true, I'm not gonna say I'm happy with large tubes. But lots of tube surfers do buy memberships if they find a tube clip they really like.

Of course the actual paysite has to be somewhere in the clip as URL watermark or something.

Most of the stuff on the large tubes like tube8.com xhamster pornhub etc is pretty low quality

Also it's hard to find really good niche stuff, more the bizarre niches

andrej_NDC

Its all about the impulse. Surfer can have 2000 free videos with various girls, then sees the 1 girl he finds the most attractive and wants to see the video right away. Even if it did cost $39.95 to join the paysite and its 1 video compared to the 2000 free videos, he will pay. The blood left brain already and it isn't working properly anymore. Thats why join pages have to be super simple, don't complicate the stuff for the tube guys.

PenisFace

Write an ebook that explains how to natural increase the size of your dong by doing various repetetive exercises. Sell it for 65 bucks. In my experience, porn surfers have tiny dongs and want big ones, so shop some pics that aren't stupid and completely impossible (like maybe a 1" size gain over 1 year or something... Something believable), then push that banner on a tube site. Don't use an animated banner because those are annoying as hell. And DONT use one of those interactive banners, because you're going to get traffic that's there because they couldn't help themslves and had to shoot the moving target/push the old man down the stairs.

Maybe that would convert with shitty tube traffic...

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Ron2k1

Yes that's true.

Actually I'm glad lots of 'webmasters' don't understand how to sell something nowadays.

Jack Sparrow

You are doing it wrong.

Cant believe people still think huge tubes would be around if they didnt convert.

You. Are. Doing. It. Wrong.

Barefootsies

True dat!

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CHMOD

They don't convert.
They are a cancer to this industry. Everyone with half a brain knows this.


They are there because they sell publicity.
Once webmasters like me will have tried and realized that
it's worthless publicity, you'll see less tube sites and the market will equilibrate itself.

It is, at least, my wish.


I feel like small brains needs an example to understand :

Let's say Pepsi starts to give 500ml bottle for free. But they still sell 1 liter bottles
Logic result : No customers will buy 1 liter bottles anymore.

How will Pepsi then make money ? They will sell publicity on their free bottles.
If people stops buying publicity : They will stop giving it away for free.

It's the basics of business. Hard to understand ?

Far-L

While that may be true... let me run with the food analogy a different way...

If I can buy generic tasteless fruit at a Ralphs for a fraction of what I pay for the organic tree ripened same fruit at Whole Foods, or as some like to call it "Whole Paycheck", then why do get out of my way to pay more? Quality, percieved value, whatever you call it that is what makes sure selling quality at a premium will always have a place with selling quantity at a discount, even giving it away free.

We convert great on tubes. Don't believe me, because I don't care about your skepticism - in fact it works to my advantage as a program owner, but this might come as a greater stretch to believe. As Affiliates can choose pricing in our program we have plenty of data to see what price is working on that traffic, with best conversions/retensions, and it is on one of our highest price points.

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i mean.. Seriously? Lol!
What sites do you own? Did you just start one? I mean, being a noob ok, but being stupid is something something.

Do you understand?

Vjo

It has always amazed me that 10,000 males can click a link amonst many other links and still not buy. 10,000 semi-hard lookie loos who say "ehhh, no thanks".

Can you imagine door to door to 10,000 homes who responded to your mailer, for example, and rejected you as they viewed your product on their doorsteps. You would think 1 guy in 10,000 would buy just about anything.

Selling today and yesterday and tomorrow is a big part about value. You say $40 to $20. Exactly. Provided the interest is there, all selling including a used car and most anything else implys the buyer is getting a good deal (in the current market) and perhaps the seller is taking a loss.

So that being said, a paysite priced at $40 today..

But still many price that way ..

The MOST common denominater among the 0 in 10,000s (for me)?

They price above $29.99. $3x.xx is a sales killer.

For very extreme or rare content, ok. But for most paysites it is a killer.

But whatever. Can we talk?

Manowar

standard tube traffic

Konkan

This thread gives a marketing ideas to me. bump for the tube sites

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CHMOD

Same here. Maybe tube surfers are too used to free content ? Maybe they tought that my link would offer free content too ?

I have been in the industry for 13 years now. Always have a very good ratio sales\visitors in my niche. Around 1\350

Nowadays it is no better than 1\800... somedays 1\1000.
I just learned that with Tube traffic, it is 0\10 000.


I mean, I was a porn buyer before too. I didn't buy since at least 2 years now.
Why should I buy anymore when I can find all I want for free on tube sites ?

The business schema was perfect before : Tease the surfer until he absolutely needs to buy. Our business was known to be a perfect trap for the surfer looking for free porn. They would end up buying anyway. I have seen many articles and reportage regarding our old business schema.

Today, I read and see reportage on how we are destroying our own industry. I see reportage that XXX is in crisis because there is too much free porn our there.

And there are still some idiots, on this board, pretending that tube sites are great.
Incredible.

TheDoc

Tubes video traffic sucks... totally can't convert it, blows ass... I should probably try something other than paid memberships.... Total: 25640 20930 1283 59 1:354 $1,215.96

I'm so pissed ratios aren't 1:10 that I'm thinking of pulling my traffic.

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Vjo

Full length movies def took a shit in the traffic pool. Pure and simple. But if you are drinking upstream (run the site) you are ok. They have tons of traffic so yes they make a living but the rest of us see bad conversions.

Tube sites right/wrong.. depends. All traffic is good.

They do open other poss like lots of traffic cheap if you want to join the cj and take a crack at something as you did.

I assume that was skim. Was 0 in 10000 clicked or skim? Blind/skim is almost impossible to see a profit. I have tried believe me. Skim is maybe .2 cents a hit lets say on ave or more. It needs to be 1/2 that. .1 cents a hit tops would allow some margin for guys like me. But hey it is a market and there is someone paying .2 so I am out of luck.

I started a tube a while back. Thing that amazed me most? Super low ctr's. These surfers are where they want to be.

If you skim one from the nest it will head right back to the hive.

You can still use their numbers to your advantage.

But in general that traffic is shit unless it's yours. (at the current prices) (for me)

Some guys with big bank rolls can see a 25% margin and buy at .2 thus killing me who needs a 50% margin min because i aint got the mega roll. Way that game works.

Argos88

Quoted for TRUTH.

As for the idiots saying that RAPIDSHARE, FORUMS and TORRENTS don't affect sales at all. Don't mind them. They are usually trying to defend their ILLEGAL business.

It's more than obvious, even for a 5 year kid, that people won't buy something that is available for free. No discussion about that at all and no sense to discuss with those idiots who feel "touched" when people compain about those ILLEGAL sites.

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andrej_NDC

I don't think those sites don't affect sales. They help sales, everyone can get previews before he buys stuff.

TheDoc

I try software first, then buy it... same with music, movies, and games. Been more than enough data to prove that the free markets aren't killing the paid markets. ie: the music and movie industry posting record numbers year after year.

Do you pay for cable for the same ol'shit as the free cable tv? No of course not - and that's exactly why paysites will always make sales.

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Vjo

If you dont mind if I correct this,

Actually I think they are taking a loss or breaking even for other reasons. I would take 25% anytime but I cant get 1 fucken % longterm on skim to a clicked link and I promote the best fucken paysites in the biz. So hey.

But damn do I dream of turning fucken 5% even on skim. There is so much of it.

At least the tubes give me traffic to fuck around with. The damn tgps always made it too hard to play their bs (will my gallery be accepted or not) game.

gideongallery

your arguing with someone who actually knows how to turn tube site traffic into seo quality traffic.

even the guys who are profiting from tube sites don't understand the fundamentals as well as i do.

you just don't understand the new marketplace

that not a problem with tubes it a problem with you.

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A major problem, and well stated. Check out www.felluciablow.com for tube traffic turning into gold but basically you're correct.

And G.G. chiming in? Triple bonus.
(Mister Peabody chiming in = -3 so basically a wash)

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She looks like she gives a hell of a blowjob... to bad the guy she sucks off is as long as my finger.

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