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Old 04-10-2010, 05:11 AM   #51
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Sad news. Obviously the airfield or plane were not equipped for landing in bad weather. Major airports and planes have a system of navigation that allows for blind landings.
It was a Tupolev, soviet airplane designed in the 1960's. They have a habit of crashing.

But Putin has a habit of kicking ass. Dont fuck with Putin.



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very sad day for Poland.
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as for russian made stuff, well everyone knows its crap (their planes alway crash, just watch the news)
Their planes are million years old, thats their main problem. They never replace them, even the oldest ones still fly around...
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Seems to be that way in most of Europe.
Western Europe and they well deserve that.
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Now about "shitty Russian aircraft". Let's stop listening to weak-minded kids and look at the stats.

The Most Unsafe Airplanes in the World

Using the data of Ascend London insurance consultancy the BusinessWeek edition made the list of the most dangerous planes on the basis of the air crash quantity with fatal outcome. The rate contained the models of planes, which are in operation all over the world in more than 100 units. Air crashes connected with terrorism were not included.

1. Boeing 737 JT8D
One crash per: 507 500 flying hours
Years of production: 1967-1988
Planes in operation: 517
The first version of Boeing 737 is recognized to be the most wrecking plane in the world. One air crash with a fatal outcome covers 507 500 flying hours. The less is the figure the more is the probability of crash. 517 more planes of this model are still in operation in poor countries. About 30- year-old Boeing 737 JT8D, that was in operation by Itek Air company, crashed not far from Bishkek in August 2008. 68 people died in that crash.

2. IL-76
One crash per: 549 900 flying hours
Years of production: 1974 ? present
Planes in operation: 247
This model is mostly met in the countries of the former Soviet Union, Near East and Africa. One of the biggest air crashes of IL 76 happened in 2003. The crashed plane belonged to Iranian air company Iran Revolutionary Guard, 275 people died in that crash.

3. Tu-154
One crash per: 1 041 000 flying hours
Years of production: 1971-present
Planes in operation: 336
This model is also mainly in the parks of air companies of the former Soviet Union, and performs the flights in the inner airlines mainly. Since 2002 four air crashes took place in Iran with TU 154. The latest air crash happened this year in July 15: TU 154 of Iranian Air Company Caspian Air going from Tehran to Yerevan. 168 people died.

4. Airbus A310
One crash per: 1 067 700 flying hours
Years of production: 1983-1998
Planes in operation: 191
Big air companies have already put out of operation this model of European air constructor Airbus. However, some poor countries like Pakistan International Airlines, actively keep it in operation. The latest air crash of this kind of airliner happened this year in June 30 when A310 which belonged to Yemenia Airlines and was going from Yemen to Comoro Islands fell into the open sea. 153 people died, only a 12 ?year-old girl was saved.

5. McDonnell-Douglas DC-9
One crash per: 1 068 700 flying hours
Years of production: 1965-1982
Planes in operation: 315
The McDonnell-Douglas company stopped its existence after merging with Boeing in 1997, but not young already DC-9 are still in operation by the Delta Airlines company, and also by many other small air companies in the world. In April there was a crash of DC-9 of the Hewa Bora Airways2008 in the Republic of Congo, 44 people died then.

6. Tu-134
One crash per: 1 087 600 flying hours
Years of production: 1964-1986
Planes in operation: 223
The most mass plane of the soviet civil aviation is still widely used by the Russian air companies and the former Soviet republics. As soon as the level of the engine noise of the liner does not satisfy the western European standards TU 134 is mainly used in inner flights. One of the biggest crashes happened in August 2004, when the ?Volga ? Aviaexpress? plane crashed and all the 43 people on board died.

7. Boeing 727
One crash per: 2 306 300 flying hours
Years of production: 1963-1984
Planes in operation: 412
Most of the biggest air companies have already replaced the old Boeing 727 for more modern planes. The United Airlines air company e.g. gave one such liner to the Chicago museum of science and industry in 1993. However, this plane is still widely used out of the USA, especially by charter air companies. One of the air crashes with this plane happened in African Benin on Christmas 2003. 151 people died then.

8. McDonnell-Douglas MD-80
One crash per: 2 332 300 flying hours
Years of production: 1980-1999
Planes in operation: 923
This model, made to replace DC-9, was taken out of production recently and is still in use by the Delta American Air Company, as well as big European companies, Alitalia and SAS in particular. In August 2008 the plane of this model which belonged to the Spanish Air company Spanai crashed when going from Madrid to Canary Islands. 153 people died then.

9. McDonnell-Douglas DC-10
One crash per: 2 908 800 flying hours
Years of production: 1971-1989
Planes in operation: 153
DC 10 belongs to a rare type of planes whose security increases with its age. Fatal air crashes with this liner in 70?s brought to the significant changes and improvements in the construction of the airline. As a result the last incident with the people died happened in 1999 when the liner of the former French AOM company crashed in Guatemala. Currently the plane is mainly used by freight carrier and charter companies. The last air company which used DC 10 for regular flights was Biman Bangladesh.

10. McDonnell-Douglas MD-11
One crash per: 3 668 800 flying hours
Years of production: 1990-2001
Planes in operation: 187
MD11 turned to be not a very successful model as it had not high indexes on effectiveness of fuel using and other parameters. Anyway the Finnair and KLM air companies still use these liners, but mainly for freight carrier. The last time the plane of this model crashed in 1999. At that time the MD 11 of the China Airlines company got burned while landing in Hong Kong during the typhoon, three people died.
It is necessary to mention that the list made by BusinessWeek is somewhat different from the statistics made by the bureau on accidents by air transport JACDEC, though according to the version of this bureau the most wrecking in the history of civil aviation are the planes of Boeing Company.
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Very sad news. I'm a big fan of Poland, been there many times, lived there too. I feel sorry for the lives lost in this tragedy.
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Holy crap... that to happen to any gov is crazy.. Are we sure Canada didn't do this? As an American I say Blame Canada!
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I'm not Polish or Russian. And its pathetic how you, the Ukrainians, hate everything Russian.
There is no hate between our nations. Ukrainians don't hate. Even reading your shit I don't get mad. It just makes me think it's hard to see the truth being an outsider to the events or local reality. The reason you might think it looks that way it's because hate goes on to USSR times, imperial position of Russia and our own weakness in making relations more healthy.
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That would actually help Poland, why fight it?
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It was a Tupolev, soviet airplane designed in the 1960's. They have a habit of crashing.

But Putin has a habit of kicking ass. Dont fuck with Putin.


yes

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Well at least this thread brings light to the fact that communists mass murdered 22,000 of some of the best and brightest of the Polish people in the Katyn forest. That is what communists do, they round up the university professors, writers, doctors, political leaders, military officers, and religious leaders and simply murder them in order to cement their total domination over a people.

Communists mass murdered tens of millions of Russians, ethic Germans, and Ukrainians in just a few decades. Those roaches are still very powerful, they did not die out when the USSR fell.
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Well at least this thread brings light to the fact that communists mass murdered 22,000 of some of the best and brightest of the Polish people in the Katyn forest. That is what communists do, they round up the university professors, writers, doctors, political leaders, military officers, and religious leaders and simply murder them in order to cement their total domination over a people.

Communists mass murdered tens of millions of Russians, ethic Germans, and Ukrainians in just a few decades. Those roaches are still very powerful, they did not die out when the USSR fell.
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I'm not Polish or Russian. And its pathetic how you, the Ukrainians, hate everything Russian.
hey here slow down, not all of us like that clown whoever he is.

sad day for Poland
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wow, why would they fly everyone key member in one flight like that?
Yes, now they see it... but it's too late.
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ukrainians? dunno where you get your info, but i was born and raised in NY and currently live in Palm Beach, FL

as for russian made stuff, well everyone knows its crap (their planes alway crash, just watch the news)
dood call NASA tell them they shouldn't fly in to space on Russian couriers and engines because we all know how safe Nasa's shuttles are.
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Hopefully this will bring some positive changes for Poland. The majority of the government here is corrupt communist era fucktards against private business and only going for their own gains. Even the President (RIP and all...), imho, was bad. He was constantly pushing the agenda of the catholic church.
Maybe it was a paid off suicide run. just great timing.

Nothing like a genocide of the goverment for a clean start. Could be better could be worse. however RIP since this is a overall bad situation though.
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dood call NASA tell them they shouldn't fly in to space on Russian couriers and engines because we all know how safe Nasa's shuttles are.
Right, like none of the russian rockets ever blew up.


Please get back to me when your country lands a man on the moon.

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I heard he told the EU to take a hike yesterday haha. I think I saw it in the WSJ.
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There is no hate between our nations. Ukrainians don't hate. Even reading your shit I don't get mad. It just makes me think it's hard to see the truth being an outsider to the events or local reality. The reason you might think it looks that way it's because hate goes on to USSR times, imperial position of Russia and our own weakness in making relations more healthy.
All of the people from Ukrain I was talking with, didn't like Russia much. I was even seeing a ukrainian girl during my school days and she was the same.
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All of the people from Ukrain I was talking with, didn't like Russia much. I was even seeing a ukrainian girl during my school days and she was the same.
all of them eh ? Most Ukrainians are Russians, go educate yourself
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All of the people from Ukrain I was talking with, didn't like Russia much. I was even seeing a ukrainian girl during my school days and she was the same.
Pumpkin head, there's a big difference between didn't like and hate something. F.e I didnt liked polska president but i didnt hate him.

BTW, Lech Kaczynski wasnt invited into the ceremony in Smolensk, it was his own decision fly to russia. RIP.
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All of the people from Ukrain I was talking with, didn't like Russia much. I was even seeing a ukrainian girl during my school days and she was the same.
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I'm Ukrainian, actually Ukrainian-American with mix of different bloods - Ukrainian, Russian, may be some Polish and probably a bit of Mongol Genghis Khan in the mix from way back.
Why would I hate my own? I don't agree with some yes, I don't think Ukrainian government does good for their people, no hate. Wish to see all humanity prosper in civilized manner.


Ukraine is very divided country, west and east - two sides which can never agree on anything together, even in todays world, Ukrainian politics prove it every day.
If you go far west in Ukraine, yes Russians are not liked, westerners don't appreciate Russian strong cultural influence for past historic reasons and them being nationalists - i don't blame them, half of Ukraine speaks Russian for instance, it's my native language too. I accept all Slavic people as my own. and yes we can make 'racist' jokes between each other (not to strangers obviously) without meaning harm and hate to anyone because our nations have so much in common and shared. although i don't disqualify that some actually may hate one another for their own reasons.
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ukrainians? dunno where you get your info, but i was born and raised in NY and currently live in Palm Beach, FL

as for russian made stuff, well everyone knows its crap (their planes alway crash, just watch the news)
err ... news are ALWAYS true eh? funny tho, the russians have the biggest cargo airplane and i have never heard about a crash of any of those (or others) ... ALWAYS? c'mon, dont watch news from the recorder over and over

serious footnote: a sad day for poland
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Don't understand me wrong, but even if it's an "old" plane, the TU-134 is one of the reliable planes in the world. And the most probably reason for the crash is that a pilot made a mistake, like the officials said.

One thing for rumors is the fact, that the delegation was on the way to a memorial for Polish people killed by the KGB ;-)
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Are they? eh?
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Old 04-10-2010, 02:20 PM   #93
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all of them eh ? Most Ukrainians are Russians, go educate yourself
What he said
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Old 04-10-2010, 03:18 PM   #94
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All of the people from Ukrain I was talking with, didn't like Russia much. I was even seeing a ukrainian girl during my school days and she was the same.
i cant blame you. there are not so many clever and intelligent people survived repressions and wars here. read it like you have a big chance you meet a moron not a good person.
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The part I wonder about here is why the pilot(s) ignored Air Traffic Control commands...

Anyone who's every flown a plane, been in a small plane, flown with a pilot, etc... KNOWS that you do NOT ignore ATC traffic or you will have all flight privileges revoked upon landing... they do not fuck around with that shit...

If they were ignoring ATC then something was up aboard that plane, no doubt in my mind.
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Old 04-10-2010, 04:03 PM   #96
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The part I wonder about here is why the pilot(s) ignored Air Traffic Control commands...

Anyone who's every flown a plane, been in a small plane, flown with a pilot, etc... KNOWS that you do NOT ignore ATC traffic or you will have all flight privileges revoked upon landing... they do not fuck around with that shit...

If they were ignoring ATC then something was up aboard that plane, no doubt in my mind.
I believe that Kaczynski just insisted to land there. I know at least about one similar case:

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As president, Kaczynski devoted enormous energy to events like the commemoration of the Katyn massacre, as well as trying to weaken Russian influence in Ukraine, Georgia and other ex-Soviet republics, something he saw as key to strengthening Poland's long-term security.

In 2008, he travelled to Tbilisi, the embattled capital of Georgia which was then fighting Russia, in order to demonstrate his support for Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia's president. During that flight the pilot refused to land in Georgia for safety reasons, and, despite entreaties from the president, instead landed in neighbouring Azerbaijan.
Seems this time the pilot has decided to obey his president. If that's truth, I can say: Kaczynski has killed himself (not intentionally of course)
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Old 04-10-2010, 04:25 PM   #97
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Old 04-10-2010, 05:06 PM   #98
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Yes, there are some conspiracy theory voices it's Russians that shoot it down with ray gun or something, in fact our President and his party had not much love for Russia ...but well, I don't think it was Russian work this time.
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New world Order killed them all because they wouldnt join the euro - work it out fuckers do some reading. oh shit hold on the news will tell me the truth.

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Old 04-11-2010, 07:16 AM   #100
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It looks all like hastiness of the pilot killed them but damn this thread is so retarded.
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