GatorB

I'm one of those 300 million. I'm certainly not rising up against the government. In fact I might help kill some of these milita retards. You are so fucking stupid if you think our troops are just going to lay down and not defend their country. That's very disrespectful.

Martin

You think killing a few UNARMED hippies and getting in guerrilla war with people that look like them is the same thing?

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GatorB

So if some militias attack the white house and Congress our troops will just lay down and do nothing?

Martin

Go eat some more nut sacks. You killin some Milita retards You're a joke.

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Attack the white house You're too much, killing me over here.

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GatorB

Still not answering the question. Tells me everthing I need to know.

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Continue to follow ....

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Tom_PM

"President Obama said Friday he plans to withdraw most U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of August 2010.

Between 35,000 to 50,000 troops will remain in Iraq, he said. They would be withdrawn gradually until all U.S. forces are out of Iraq by December 31, 2011 -- the deadline set under an agreement the Bush administration signed with the Iraqi government last year."

So... I dunno what to tell ya. My phrase "coming along nicely" just reflects that it's on track according to reports.

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theking

Ever heard about the 1932 Bonus March...when tens of thousands of First World War Vets were protesting at the White House and the Government ordered General MacArthur use the military against former soldiers. Men...women and children died...by the hands of our military...during this event.

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Martin

I just had to read the head line. "Anti-government hate militias on the rise"

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Martin

Different times. Listen, the American Military is not in the least interested in getting into some running battles with a well armed American people.

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mayabong

If the troops just knew the truth about the depleted uranium they would join the militia movement in a second. They are already catching on to who was truly behind 9/11. Maybe they can discredit this military man who just came out.

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GatorB

What color is the sky in your world? Honestly any troops that DIDN'T defend their country from attack should be shot on the spot.

theking

The military remains the same as it always has been...the over whelming majority will obey orders and turn their guns on anyone that they are ordered to turn their guns on...period. BTW...the American people are not well armed or anywhere close to being well armed...compared to the military.

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Joshua G

i say let these right wingers play in the woods with their guns & act like they are defending their liberty. As long as they dont threaten/attack innocent people, they are not doing anything illegal.

As soon as one of these militias issues a threat, the Fibbies will shut them down in an hour. Should one of them actually attack anyone, the local SWAT team will clean house. The US military won't even get a phone call.

GatorB

The point is the only purpose for wanting a militia is to ATTACK the government. We have police and national guard to handle any other problem that requires the use of force.

But I agree let them have thier militia. Makes it easier to identify who to shoot.

Martin

You guys have this picture in your head of the Militia on one side and the American Military on the other. That's not how it would look.

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theking

Exactly...they are infiltrated and monitored by government agencies...be it local...state or federal.

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Since the military is a branch of the Government and they have taken a sworn oath...that is exactly how it would look

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GatorB

You have this picture that 300 million people will rise up against the government. Half the country is too lazy to fucking vote. The other half voted for Obama.

Let me ask the Americans here. Would you join a militia to overthrow the current government. I won't. That's my vote. What say you other Americans?

kane

Kind of like how they flat out refused to help control the riots in Los Angeles after the Rodney King verdict? Oh, that's right, they followed orders, blocked streets and were prepared to shoot UNARMED US citizens if they were told to do so.

Every member of the military won't do as they are told. Many of them would refuse to attack fellow US citizens, but there are some that would follow orders and do what they are told. A handful of military guys in helicopters, planes and tanks would flatten just about any militia uprising in no time.

It's not like the entire country would rise up against the government. Half of those eligible to vote don't even bother. If they can't be bothered to get off their ass for a few minutes every four years do you think they are going to take up arms?

Joshua G

other than the Hutaree fiasco, i am not aware of any militias that have attacked, or even theatened to attack, the government. The Waco & Randy Weaver disasters, the government was the attacker.

Much more of a threat are the lone wolves like McVeigh, Joe Stack & the school/officeplace shootings the last decade. These lone wolves have done far more damage to innocents then any militia.

directfiesta

The destruction of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, was the culmination of years of escalation. In total, there were 845 acts of domestic terrorism from far-right and white supremacist groups between 1954 and 2004, including shootings, bombing and arson...

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GatorB

Still doesn't answer the question of the purpose of the militia. It's amazing that the pro-militia people still have yet to answer that basic question. Why do you fail to answer the question?

BFT3K

Exactly. Militias are like full grown retarded kids playing war in the safety of their own ass-backwards woods or swamps. Sort of like civil war rein-actors. They mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the big picture. Whenever they get a little bit out of control they are squashed like bugs.

GatorB

Let's say these militias could overthrow the government. Does anyone here actually want them in charge? Oh and by the way pro-militia nuts, during the time in country is in total chaos because of you, our enemies are getting ready to attack because they see that we are in a weakened state. So good luck when you take over. Good luck running the show. Good luck setting a budget, allocating funds, fixing bridges and roads etc., providing basic necessities to the 300 million Americans you just "freed" form tyranny.

christopherjon

Last time I checked the majority of the Military, both active duty and national guard swing to the right and who do think makes up these militias? It's not your stereotypical "deliverance" rednecks.

I think you'll find many retired and active military personnel involved in the local militia movements as well as local law enforcement. Many may not be "out of the closet" due to it being bad for their careers but that doesn't mean they aren't involved or don't have family who are.

I'm not saying anything stupid is ever going to happen but if it did you might find that the people with the big guns aren't necessarily on the side you think they are. It's not liberals who are joining the military or law enforcement.

J. Falcon

People that look like them? lol

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Martin

haha Gator you're comical.lol

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Vendzilla

Let's also hear from the people that are now calling the confederate soldiers terrorist, they only defended their land, they never marched north.


What a jack ass, you prove a point by omitting all the facts, like the 96 servicemen that died so far in Afghanistan this year or the 316 that died under Obama last year in Afghanistan. but I guess the service men that died under Obama doesn't matter to you?

Just like you attack my service record for something you wouldn't have the balls to do?

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Martin

You guys really have no idea do ya. Chances are you know someone who is Militia. You see the pictures on TV with 5-6 hill billies who claim to be Militia but really it's one they started on their own. The real Militias you don't hear from much if at all till its time to act. These guys are ex police/military etc. Also they're main goal wouldn't be to over throw the government. They would want to work towards changing the government first before anything.

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theking

The primary reason the military is "right" oriented is because Republicans...are generally bigger on defense spending and defense R&D then Democrats are. You will find former military involved in all walks of life...so yes their are some that are in the militia.

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mayabong

I'll post this one more time since I think its important. I'd love some feedback on what this Marine Veteran, and director of studies at the US Army War College says. These people are catching on to the lies and he also says how unlike the political end of things, the military hasn't been bought. Things might get interesting. This was a couple weeks ago, not televised of course. Weather you agree with what he says or not, people in the high levels are actually talking about this stuff.

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Joshua G

all you have to do is read the article...The militia's purpose would be to "defend" against what activists see as improper federal infringements on state sovereignty. Im sure you think this is BS. in some cases, if they go the way of the Klan, they might actually threaten or attack someone. But liberales should not assume people who play with guns automatically want to attack something. Self defense is the basis of our lax gun laws.

J. Falcon

And you are clearly deliusional.

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Vendzilla

Yeah, I agree with you, only the crazies want anarchy, most are more like a gun club that are activist and protest peacefully

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GatorB

Yeah and how do they intend on "defending" state sovereignty?

Martin

You guys are the delusional ones. I believe the American Constitution is perfectly fine document.

Oh yeah, I forgot. That makes me a terrorist these days.

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Joshua G

i will say this in defense of militias...should it come to pass that nuclear weapons explode over DC & wall street, leading to a state of haiti-like civilian unrest as people can no longer access cash to live on, it will be militias that grow & either maintain order, or behave like roving mauraders looting stores & houses. In such a scenario, i would most definitely want to be in a militia.

GatorB

So do I. Especially the part about free elections and free speech. I'm not sure where the "overthrow the legitimately elected government" and "Kill all those that disagree with you" part is in it.

Joshua G

haha...thats the magic question...the imaginary liberal army that comes to their state to impose their taxes & health care programs!

sperbonzo

I don't understand what the leftwingers on this thread are so upset about.... You guys have had majorities since 2006, you have bigger majorities now, and the executive branch also.... Just relax and enjoy your power... Why all the anger?



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GatorB

But the thing is it would be the militias fault DC is in ashes to begin with. So why defend people that attack their own country? You either love America or you don't. You either are a patriot or you're Timothy McVeigh.

Vendzilla

Someone asked me once if I had a survival kit of some sorts if a major event happened, I showed them my AR-15 and a box of ammo

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theking

The Constitution is alive and well. It is the Supreme Court that defines and defends what laws are constitutional and what laws are not. Any law enacted by local, state or the federal government can be and often is challenged in the courts and many end up in the Supreme Court. No other government entity and certainly no individual...other than the Supreme Court...has this right or this responsibility. While I sometimes disagree with Supreme Court decisions...I...being a law abiding citizen am obligated to abide by their decisions...that is our system of government.

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yep, they're patriots all right. Great americans!

CosmicTang

There's no way to accurately predict what would happen in a Constitutional crisis where the country came to the brink of revolt. Maybe the armed forces would fire on their own people, maybe they wouldn't. In 1989 in Tianenmen Square the Chinese military turned on its own people. Two years later in Red Square the Russian military sided with the people and refused to carry out a coup effectively finishing off communist rule and facilitating the demise of the Soviet Union. In both cases the citizenry was unarmed.

I don't know what would happen here. The militias might cave in the face of better trained, better armed military and police forces. Or perhaps seeing the dissenters as plain folk like their families the kids in the military might refuse to fire.

What I do know is that the fact this is starting to happen should give the government pause to think about what its doing to piss off so many people. The militia folks are not without their relevant talking points.

As to the person who suggested we vote and use free speech...you haven't been paying attention. The government is doing what it damn well wants regardless of what the people who pay the bills are screaming for. The people roundly said no to the bailouts and they were granted behind closed doors. They voiced their opinions on health care, and yet again were largely ignored. And the final insult may have been the Supreme Court granting corporations--possibly including foreign ones--the right to spend as much money as they want in campaigns which would determine elections of our representatives. I think it's plain they don't have the people in mind.

So the question becomes: when is it enough?

Clearly the government isn't working for the people anymore and the Constitution is an afterthought to seemingly everyone in D.C. At what point do people have not merely the right, but the responsibility to do something about it?

I would hate to see the situation come to violence but should these bullies and their corrupt and unjust system be allowed to continue while hiding behind the guise of democracy?

Honestly, when is it enough?

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Martin

Well said Cosmic.

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