TheSenator

So, what happens when a town passes a law that requires cops to question any suspected illegal immigrant?



Can't wait for that generation of bigots, racist, holy rollers, etc to die off so that a new generation that is tolerant can take over.

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Major (Tom)

Aside from the profiling, if they are legal then they should stay. If not, they should not be allowed to stay. Why should someone be allowed to stay who is an illegal? Be it of any race, color, or creed? I find that logic self-evident and that does not make someone a racist for thinking such.
Duke

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GrouchyAdmin

Offering a well-balanced argument to TheSenator is kind of pointless, just FYI.

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gleem

should be as simple as no citizenship, no drivers license or State issued ID, you get stopped, can't produce ID then they can ask if you are a citizen since you prolly aren't if you have no I.D.

How else can they enforce the immigration laws that have been on the books for decades?

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bignasty

Wanting our laws enforced is not hatred or racism

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TheSenator

Why go after the illegal immigrants????

Just stop the businesses hiring them illegally....problem solved.

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BradM

I am white and have a neutral accent, so when I walk out of a walmart or target, I am harassed by people saying "Are you a registered California voter?" trying to get my signature for some cause.

I noticed that they do not do this with anyone who is brown. They target only black or white folks.

The amusing thing is I am Canadian, and my wife no longer votes regardless of the situation. Whereas the latino woman with the 4 kids that they ignored/racially profiled is more than likely a citizen.

- food for thought.

TheSenator

If you want to enforce a federal law then it should be left to the federal authorities. The local authorities should be concerned with local laws. The local authorities do not receive federal money to detain, due process, court fees, lawyers, etc. to deal with illegal immigrants.

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TheSenator

Fuck that bullshit!!!

I don't need an ID to walk my dog.

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L-Pink

Me, a US citizen can be questioned about and get jail time for any number of "minor" infractions. Sucks but the truth. The very least that should happen to someone not a citizen is to be arrested and deported.

L-Pink

P.S. I would bet I belong to the most profiled and discriminated against niche in law enforcement ....... facial hair, long hair, motorcycle.


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Jon Oso

Um, okay.

So being a reasonably well versed history buff...

Anyone catch the Third Reich references in that video?

@ 0:22 "Put them in a box car and you ship 'em out"

and

@ 0:32 "You can either be part of that repulsion..." Is way too close to Hitler's Mantra of "You are either part of the solution, or part of the problem"

Wow.

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Agent 488

you are all capitalists and illegal immigration is a natural function of that so ...

CosmicTang

You're a bit pale.

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TheSenator

Well, there is a lot of code that white politicians use that ordinary white people repeat. That is marketing 202....

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kane

It is not that simple. I live in a small town that has a pretty high population of migrant workers and Mexicans. Many of these people are legal and have green cards, but many of them are not. I am good friends with many of the local police officers and this is what they tell me:

If they stop someone for any reason (say the pull them over for running a stop sign) and the person has no ID and they suspect they are illegal they can arrest them and hold them for a short time while they contact the feds to see what they want to do. Most of the time the Feds have them fingerprint the person and if the fingerprints come back as showing them not being wanted for a crime or having a criminal record the just tell them to let them go, but take down whatever information they can get from them. The feds are so over-extended that they would have to hire a ton of people just to keep up with the current demand and for the the most part they aren't even actively going after these people so most of the time they don't bother with them as long as they aren't committing crimes. However, there are places in this country that simply deport illegals if they do commit crimes. So they are free to steal a car or whatever because they will just get sent back to Mexico and they can sneak back across the border again.

I will ride around with one of these friends of mine and they can point out the illegals as they walk down the street. The schools here are full of the children of illegals and almost none of these kids can speak English. They are now teaching K-3rd grade classes half in Spanish and half in English. If your kid is in one of those classes they are going to sit there half the day trying to learn Spanish while the rest of the kids in other schools are learning other things. Sure, your kid will end up speaking Spanish decently, but at what cost? Not too mention you go to the urgent care center and it is filled with illegals who don't pay the bill for their treatment and many of them work under the table so they pay little or no income tax. Many of these people are a burden to the system.

The feds simply don't have the knowledge or manpower to deal with it all. If they simply funded the locals and let them handle things on a local level it could take a huge step forward in helping get rid of illegals.

I am not a racists, nor am I against people wanting to come to this country to make a better life for themselves. I think we need to make it easier for those who want to come here legally to do so, but for now we need to do something about how it is working because basically we have millions of people living off the grid and taking from the system when they put next to nothing back into it.

Agent 488

i think it is funny all the anti-immigration people are pro free markets yet illegal immigration is a natural function of free markets.

the only thing that would stop the flow would be something akin to socialism .... national socialism.

which will come eventually to america. the real shit though, no the "bush is hitler" shit that people think is fascism.

The Demon

The beauty is that his delusional, retarded kind is truly the minority and mostly confined to this forum.

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The Demon

Wow. PLEASE expand on this one lol.

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quantum-x

Hi Duke.
As someone who, despite my best efforts, spent 2.5 years illegally in a 1st world european country, sometimes these issues aren't as clear cut as it seems.

Many, many people in an illegal situation are victims of poor procedure, apathetic agents, and general prejudice.

Perhaps not all, but a large percentage would be in this strata.

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nation-x

As soon as I heard that guy say that it was part of "God's plan"... that was enough for me.

IllTestYourGirls

Sadly you would have to stop the welfare state you love so much as well.

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IllTestYourGirls

For what its worth my aunt was denied an extension of her work visa and was sent back to Mexico. These illegals need to be sent back so we can have more LEGAL immigration.

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TheDoc

It's illegal to hire illegals in Arizona... I support us enforcing the laws already on our books. And when Americans are dieing from Illegals, rapes, homes broken into, and drug lords coming into our Country then run back home.... all illegals, the people need to wake up and realize, it's going to turn into a war down here if this isn't taken care of.

While this is all illegals... the focus is one group, and a few states - with a damn good reason.

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GatorB

Well illegals should go but 2 problems with this whole thing

A) When those whites say "illegal aliens" they actually mean "ALL hispanics" legal or not. Trust me if all those illegals suddenly got perfectly legal green cards those white folks would not be saying "Ok you can stay now".

B) Legal hispanics that support illegals hurt their own cause. They get lumped in with the illegals. It's a matter of "If you not with us you're against us". In the whites'( and even blacks' ) eye if you're hispanic and support illegals then you are not different than them even if you are legal. If legal hispanics would protest against illegals that don't follow the rules they would make thing so much easier on themselves. You don't see me going around supporting all white people. Plenty of ignorant white fuckers out there I'd like to see booted out of the US.

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GatorB

It's true assfuck whether you want to believe it or not. I already told you to leave me the fuck alone. Are you retarded? Why you are not banned yet is beyond me. You provide ZERO value to this board and cause nothing but trouble. I seriously suggest you find another hobby than to keep stalking me and starting shit.

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Good luck.

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The Demon

Nobody is stalking you dipshit. I'm nowhere near the only one who ridicules your asinine posts. You provide zero evidence for ANYTHING you assert, simply claim it to be true. You are a stupid human being.

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fatfoo

This doesn't make any sense. It must be a photoshopped photo of some kind.

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BIGTYMER

Its real. Here is the story and a better picture of it.

http://tinyurl.com/6k9r9x

Agent 488

just off yourselves you low iq morons. seriously. gaia would thank you.

Agent 488

you want me to make a brief about it 100 bucks for you an hour otherwise do some research inbred.

The Demon

Haha so another useless moron makes a baseless assertion on something he has no knowledge about and expects others to do his research. No wonder making fun of you morons is so easy. Talk about low IQ.

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brentbacardi

One of my exs was a legal hispanic, and her and her friends didn't like the illegals because she said it made her and her legal family and friends look bad. She said that the people who come here illegally from her experience were more likely to break the law and she knew they gave people the wrong impression about all hispanic people. She was all gung ho about building a big ass wall at the border with armed patrol guards.

I think we should allow any people from any country in as long as they don't break the law, and seeing as all illegals committed a felony coming here, they shouldn't be allowed to stay just because they broke the law. Not about race, its about following the rules. Illegal Europeans can get deported too fyi.

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gleem

not if your white or black with some decent clothes on, no you don't

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Phoenix

in canada its illegal to be outside without id

minors are excluded

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TheDoc

You people have some odd views.... what about the laws? It's illegal, to be here illegally. Let's not forget the most basic thing here - they're criminals.

If you just walk up to someone and ask for papers for no reason, that's unreasonable and it's in the bill that they can get sued and in trouble for doing that. However if you bust someone for doing something illegal, speeding, trespassing or get a warrant because you think they are illegal - that's legal.. and if they ask for an ID and they don't produce it - you now have reasonable cause.

They aren't giving cops more powers, they're giving them more duties and expecting them to be able to identify an illegal without knowing what to look for or what makes an illegal look illegal. Ie: They gota have damn good reason.

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Amputate Your Head

It's always been nothing more than a fucking talking point anyway. Rich fat ass republicans do NOT want illegals going back to Mexico. Who the hell is gonna tend their lawns, clean their houses, work their fields, bag their groceries, wash their Mercedes, etc... ?

They just don't wanna give them any help or acknowledge that they use them.

Cops authority will be yanked as soon as the labor pool dips too low. Guaranteed.

TheDoc

It's illegal to hire illegals here, real work or at your house or contractors, you best ask for proof of citizenship if you feel it could be in question or it's your ass if you get caught.

It's already been that way here for awhile... farmers can hire Mexicans for harvest time, they have some temp farmers visa for it.

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Amputate Your Head

Sure it's illegal.
But it happens every single day.

topnotch, standup guy

So is burglary for that matter, but most people agree that it's a good idea to arrest burglars.


Well, either that or we could try simply enforcing the existing laws.

You know, like this country did during it's first 200 or so years of existence.

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TheDoc

Crime happens every day... but you don't see them standing at the home depot anymore or any place, they aren't pulling up here to clean peoples houses or yards in my area or cars or selling crap all over, and they aren't serving you food at any place with a lic to do business.

They do get used... often hired by companies that are doing illegal activities and need to hire someone that will look the other way.

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Amputate Your Head

A giant company on Maui was cracked down on last year for hiring illegals (which included Italians, Japanese, and others from all over the world), to harvest pineapples. Nothing illegal about picking pineapples. Another company was caught with illegals on some of the boat tours. Nothing illegal about being a crew member on a boat.

Just because they're illegal aliens does not mean they are all heroin pushers.
And I don't know where you live, but this town here close to me is basically "Little Mexico". Half the town is in spanish only, the other half is Spanish / English. I am not on the border, I'm in NorCal.

TheDoc

You seem confused on the laws.... If a cop is driving down the road and a Mexican is walking down the street, and he just stops and demands an ID - they will get into trouble even with the new law.

Just about any other situation, a cop can ask for your ID, your name, what you're doing and where you're going. Most people, comply... people like you don't, so they move on. Illegals say - I don't have an id or simply don't talk at all.

If you're in a building, a crime happens, the cops lock the building down... they will ask for your ID and if you try to say no, you will be detained. If you have drugs on you, after they search you - you will go to jail. Just like the illegal that can't produce papers.

If you fail to produce an ID at anytime - that's more than probable cause to look into things more.

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The giant company got into trouble too... crime does happen. The boat company is not committing a crime of any kind, if the person isn't working for them or harboring them. That's also a state based law, AZ has the toughest laws.

I live 30 miles north of the Mexican border, 90% of the people around me are Mexican American, most are great people like any other community. The only illegal workers you see here, are Mexicans.

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Both companies got in trouble. (they were working on the boat).
But that's all I'm saying.... those are examples of perfectly legit businesses, that happen to hire illegals. Hence, my point... it happens every day. Just cuz they're not hanging out outside of Home Depot doesn't mean it's not still happening, and with legit businesses, not only drug runners.
They are still doing a lot of the jobs that the rest of us don't want to do. Well-to-do suburban white kids aren't going to fill those jobs. So when the labor pool dips too low, the whole shipping of illegals back to Mexico will cease again. It's cyclical.

Step 1. GOP gets their hair all in a furor about illegals.
Step 2. Some crazed Representative passes some bs law.
Step 3. They start cracking down and sending them back by the trainload.
Step 4. Labor pool dips to "frightening" levels.
Step 5. Suburban lawns start to over grow and die off.
Step 6. Stupid law gets removed or forgotten. Police are told to ease up.

It's not going to change.