Originally Posted by mountainmiester

Kind of answers the question of why we need "uninsured motorist coverage" in a state where having auto insurance is the law.

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

We do have laws against hiring illegal immigrants, but there has not been a way for immigration or law enforcement to just walk in a building and check status of citizenship, although Sheriff Joe was the only one with balls to enforce what little law we have.
I think the biz owners get a warning and then are fined a minimal amount on the second offense.
And there have been restrictions in the law which tied law enforcements hands to really do their jobs when it came to busting those who hire illegal immigrants?..not any more


This is another area where strict laws need to be in place and they are not! And employers need to be busted hard, but they are not. The fines for this offense are not hard enough to make people think twice.
I feel it should be treated just as tough as a drug busts.
1. If an employer is caught hiring illegal immigrants he should have to forfeit his business lic along with contractors lic and not be allowed to ever own operate a business again in the U.S.
2. He should be fined per illegal immigrant he hires.
3. And all assets from the company to be confiscated and sold at auction.

This may not be the best law to impose, but you can bet if an employer values his right to run and own a company ever again and the fact knowing that he will lose everything associated to that business, he will definitely think twice about breaking the law.

You are right, take away the food source and people will leave and who ever decides to still break the law will be deported. ;)

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Ok, this is just bizarre. I personally agree with the Arizona Law, and that other states should adopt it, but who the hell wrote all of this RACIST CRAP?

"As usual, the truth and what the Jews say are two different things."

"the interests of White people and Latinos are frequently in conflict."

Do you actually agree with the Asshat that wrote this S**T? This issue is about illegal immigration, not race. It's total Fu**tards like this author that muddy the damn water with their bigotry.

I can't believe you would post this Bulls**t....




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Originally Posted by cwd

Thanks Nikki, I just found some info on this too, the Employer Sanction Law that went into effect in Jan, 2008.

It was fought by;
"...Julie Pace, a Phoenix attorney who represents 12 major business groups opposing the law ? contractors, farmers, hotel owners and state and local chambers of commerce. The groups sued to stop the law from taking effect, arguing that it is unconstitutional because only the federal government can make immigration law."
It sounded good in principle;
"The law says any business that knowingly hires a worker who is in the country illegally will have its business license suspended. For a second offense, the business' license could be revoked. That is a far stiffer penalty than the rarely imposed federal fines for similar offenses." http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=16727312

Unfortunately it is not being enforced...and only 1...ONE business has been closed (for all of 2 days). This just happend in March of this year, two years after the law went into effect...
"Danny's Subway has agreed to close its doors for two days and will be placed on probation for three years for violating the employer-sanctions law, the County Attorney's Office announced today. Since the employer-sanctions law has been on the books, this is the first time a business has actually been shut down." http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/val...law_claims.php

Originally Posted by BVF

Hello Mr. Jew....

Originally Posted by BVF

Hello Mr. Jew....

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Your point?

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

People seem pretty easily to agree that an overstuffed car is something already on the books as illegal, and therefore asking the stuffed peoples for ID's is common sense. I agree with that too. Isn't it illegal right now to do that though?

Originally Posted by BVF

For one, you didn't get it....And for two, I wasn't addressing you.

Originally Posted by LoveSandra

fuck arizona

Originally Posted by BVF

Hello Mr. Jew....

Originally Posted by TheDoc

No... the cop will do everything up to arresting them, at that point they call border patrol, wait 1-3 hours for them to show up, hand the illegals over, the cop is done and later adds it into his daily report. Unless something criminal can be found to arrest one with, other than being illegal.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I was under the impression that each state had different laws as to "stop and identify". In some states, UNLESS you are stopped driving a car, you can say "no" to requests for ID. Simple as that. All you'd need to know is how to say "no" lol.

Google: stop and indentify

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I was under the impression that each state had different laws as to "stop and identify". In some states, UNLESS you are stopped driving a car, you can say "no" to requests for ID. Simple as that. All you'd need to know is how to say "no" lol.

Google: stop and indentify

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I was under the impression that each state had different laws as to "stop and identify". In some states, UNLESS you are stopped driving a car, you can say "no" to requests for ID. Simple as that. All you'd need to know is how to say "no" lol.

Google: stop and indentify

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

It's just as good as and there have been plenty of illegal immigrants to walk away from accidents because the fact they were illegal immigrants, so nothing could be done to them except being sent home without having to pay for any damages. Real nice, eh?

And this piece of shit ever returns and if my buddy runs into this worthless individual that took his daughters life...you can bet he will be served a cold platter of justice.

Now on the other hand this new law is going to allow the law to prosecute illegal immigrants right off the bat for being in this country illegally and for crimes committed and then send them to jail instead of back to Mexico.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I don't need crime stats, all I have to do is look at population stats. Being that blacks ONLY make up 2.5% (or about 180k people) of the States population, I'm 100% sure in my statistics.

vs. 650,000-1million estimated illegals in the state.


Damn straight... the highest crime rate areas in America aren't at 100%, however every single illegal in the Country is committing at least one crime just by being here, then they repeat crimes like breathing air.

"In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests."

Think what's it really is once the border crime statistics can finally be processed through the Courts and become part of the statistics.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

That's what all the illegals have been saying.... "fuck arizona" doesn't want us here, so something like 400k of them have left the State to go suck the blood from other States.

This is the result of citizens yelling "fuck arizona" stop the illegal b.s. now! So they did...

Then the other States started to say "fuck arizona" you sent us your trash, so they started to make laws too.

Now it's a big mess... I agree "fuck arizona" - they made a law keeps which is making a lot of Americans look stupid as they go around spewing crap about a law that they haven't read.

Originally Posted by escorpio

400,000 workers and consumers gone? That should definitely strengthen Arizona's economy!

btw - where did you get that figure?

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Actually, it probably WILL strengthen their economy. The Mexican illegals that I knew there sent 90% of their money back to Mexico.

Why do you think that the Mexican government is so upset about this? They have much stricter laws regarding illegal immigration than we do, and they don't even allow LEGAL immigrants to participate in political protests. The fact is that they have pushed 10% of their population here now, and that next to Oil, this is Mexico's biggest source of income.


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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Actually, it probably WILL strengthen their economy. The Mexican illegals that I knew there sent 90% of their money back to Mexico.

Why do you think that the Mexican government is so upset about this? They have much stricter laws regarding illegal immigration than we do, and they don't even allow LEGAL immigrants to participate in political protests. The fact is that they have pushed 10% of their population here now, and that next to Oil, this is Mexico's biggest source of income.


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Originally Posted by escorpio

90%? Why do you exagerate? Can't make your point with facts?
The fact is that these people do not exist in a vacuum. They rent apartments, buy cars, buy groceries, eat at restaurants, go to movies, etc. They are a part of AZ's economy.

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I guess you have never hung out with illegal aliens in Arizona. I worked with them for years in construction during college. I'm telling you the truth. They send their money home, they don't go to Movies, Restaurants, etc....

"In 2003, then-President of Mexico, Vicente Fox stated that remittances "are our biggest source of foreign income, bigger than oil, tourism or foreign investment" and that "the money transfers grew after Mexican consulates started giving identity cards to their citizens in the United States." He stated that money sent from Mexican workers in the United States to their families back home reached a record $12 billion.[29] Two years later, in 2005, the World Bank stated that Mexico was receiving $18.1 billion in remittances and that it ranked third (behind only India and China) among the countries receiving the greatest amount of remittances.[30]"


*shrugs* you can believe what you want to believe, but if you think that there is any state government that wants to turn away significant income these days, I think you are nuts.

...And heck, if you do, then I guess you shouldn't go to Arizona, huh? It's the same reasoning as to why I wouldn't live in California anymore, since I think that their state legislators and leaders are crazy and are bankrupting that state.



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Originally Posted by escorpio

Breathing air is a crime? Most Mexicans come here to work hard and make a better life for their families. I have no problem with someone that breaks an immigration law looking to do that. Our system should make work permits and citizenship easier to obtain. Until they are, and employers contiue to hire undocumented wokers, the situation will continue.

Originally Posted by escorpio

400,000 workers and consumers gone? That should definitely strengthen Arizona's economy!

btw - where did you get that figure?

Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's a funny, you know ... ha, ha!

Many States, including AZ have laws on the books that allow legal, screened workers to migrate here here for farm work, often seasonal when harvest time comes, then leave... See that's the issue they have.

I have no problem with people that work and pay taxes.. I support an immigration path for anyone that does this. But that percentage is very low..

I do have a problem with people that buck the system, don't pay taxes, use our system for food, shelter and healthcare, then fail to learn our legal system, refuse to speak or learn English... In the case of illegal Mexicans, they aren't putting the money back into our Economy, 95% is going to Mexico - they don't even store it in our banks, it's out of our system and gone.




It's already harder for illegals to get jobs here... then AZ also made laws on what Illegals could leech off the State. Direct welfare, healthcare, shelters, food banks, anything related... basically the stuff that is already under huge strain because of the economy - is now cut off from illegals.

Basically when you cut the real reason off they are here, they leave... those people aren't working, they're sucking off Arizona's Tit.

The number was something the radio has repeated a few times.. they have no real way to track it, so it's all estimates. But it's not hard to see when they filmed the food banks before and after, or you drive by the park downtown and you only see 2 homeless people in the park vs. a 100.

This has been a great help on the Economy the Police and Fire have responded to less calls involving Illegals already. The donation centers are finally able to start building up again and giving our citizens more of what they deserve. The hospitals are under less strain. They cost the system, far more than they put back in.

I'm sure the beer Industry is suffering... but this isn't going to put them out of business.

Originally Posted by escorpio

I'm sorry for your friend but the fact is the problem is with the court that would grant a flight risk (make that flight guarantee) bail in a case involving a death. Why do you blame "illegals", or "them" as you refer to this individual?

Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's a funny, you know ... ha, ha!

Many States, including AZ have laws on the books that allow legal, screened workers to migrate here here for farm work, often seasonal when harvest time comes, then leave... See that's the issue they have.

I have no problem with people that work and pay taxes.. I support an immigration path for anyone that does this. But that percentage is very low..

I do have a problem with people that buck the system, don't pay taxes, use our system for food, shelter and healthcare, then fail to learn our legal system, refuse to speak or learn English... In the case of illegal Mexicans, they aren't putting the money back into our Economy, 95% is going to Mexico - they don't even store it in our banks, it's out of our system and gone.




It's already harder for illegals to get jobs here... then AZ also made laws on what Illegals could leech off the State. Direct welfare, healthcare, shelters, food banks, anything related... basically the stuff that is already under huge strain because of the economy - is now cut off from illegals.

Basically when you cut the real reason off they are here, they leave... those people aren't working, they're sucking off Arizona's Tit.

The number was something the radio has repeated a few times.. they have no real way to track it, so it's all estimates. But it's not hard to see when they filmed the food banks before and after, or you drive by the park downtown and you only see 2 homeless people in the park vs. a 100.

This has been a great help on the Economy the Police and Fire have responded to less calls involving Illegals already. The donation centers are finally able to start building up again and giving our citizens more of what they deserve. The hospitals are under less strain. They cost the system, far more than they put back in.

I'm sure the beer Industry is suffering... but this isn't going to put them out of business.

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

The court was a big problem in this incident and the dumb ass judge that granted it, but the fact remains, the person was an illegal immigrant and ran home and there is no way to bring him back, unless he sneaks back.....then he may get arrested. The new law would allow us to lock him up for a very long time.
To this day, there is no closure for our friends.

If he were a legal citizen, he would have been held accountable, possibly/or not released on bail and if he ran, he would have been hunted down and brought to justice.

My response to what our friends went through was just another story like brassmonkey told about his Mom and her dealings with being hit by an illegal immigrant.
There are many stories like mine and his, it is nothing new....

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Don't forget the school system, it is way over taxed and in need of help once more.

Look at some of these figures for educating illegal immigrants
http://www.couplescompany.com/Featur...oolbudgets.htm

Originally Posted by 2012

Originally Posted by Rochard

Your on fucking crack. No matter what the law might be from state to state, any time a police officer talks to someone in the course of their duty, they will in fact ask for your name and your ID.

This law in Arizona doesn't mean they can pull anyone Hispanic person over just to check their ID. It means if someone is pulled over in Arizona and is unable to produce a valid US driver's license or otherwise indicates they might be here illegally or otherwise might might be engaged in some other crime, that law enforcement is obligated to check their legal immigration status.

I'm forty-one years old, former US Marine, and very white. I tripped up my home alarm a few months ago. Imagine my fucking surprise when my local PD asked for a second form of ID.

Originally Posted by Hank_Heartland

In short, Arizona's law will stand and is not racial profiling. If you can't understand why states and the country has a right to protect themselves against people who are here illegally, then you need to consult history of not only this nation but world history!!! This nation as every nation has a path to immigration and a framework for the type of immigration that it desires. If you are here illegally and can't respect our right to set rules for the type of immigration we want as a nation...then take your a** back home and neither of us will have anything to argue about and we will both be alot happier

If you're a legal immigrant or have been granted immigrant status for any reason...welcome and many happy returns

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

this morning on NPR they were interviewing some guy, a ballplayer i think.
he was saying how he was gonna protest by not going to any AZ games etc.
one of his arguments was that there are illegals in the US from any country, he mentioned Swedish for some reason, saying that they would never get pulled over by AZ police suspecting them to be illegals, and as such he hit it right on the nail.
Most Americans are sick and tired of hearing Spanish this and Spanish that. Sure there are lot of Chinese and Vietnamese immigrants also but it is ok as they do not "dominate" the landscapes as much as the "invasion from south of the border".
I truly think the general opinion is that there is not a problem with illegal immigrants in the US but there is a problem with illegal Mexican immigrants..

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

this morning on NPR they were interviewing some guy, a ballplayer i think.
he was saying how he was gonna protest by not going to any AZ games etc.
one of his arguments was that there are illegals in the US from any country, he mentioned Swedish for some reason, saying that they would never get pulled over by AZ police suspecting them to be illegals, and as such he hit it right on the nail..

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I guess you have never hung out with illegal aliens in Arizona.

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

hes hispanic didnt u see him typing spanish they spend money here so its ok

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Here is an attorney general, under obama, actually admitting that he has not even read the law that his department has announced it may be unconstitutional.


.:1orglaug h

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

negroes sólo quiero un viaje gratis.

Originally Posted by escorpio

I'm 1/4 Hispanic. My grandmother (mom's mom) was born in Mexico but raised in Texas. The rest of my family tree is British/Canadian.

Originally Posted by escorpio

Fixed it for you, homie.


Mexican: "We're being accused of committing crimes, welfare fraud and taking peoples jobs."

Negro (proudly): "We ain't never been accused of takin' nobody's job!"

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

too much info

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

thing is if their here illegally how are they paying taxes(breaking the fucking law) retoños de sangre hispana

Originally Posted by escorpio

You're the presumptuous that keeps insisting I'm Hispanic. Thought I'd help you be a little less ignorant.

Originally Posted by escorpio

There's that ignorance thing we were talking about. Are you really this stupid?