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Old 06-01-2010, 03:30 PM   #1
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"Unlimited" shared plan at Naked Hosting

I'm in no condition to read the terms so what is the story what happens if i tru to use it for galleries

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Old 06-01-2010, 03:33 PM   #2
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my guess would be by the time you hit 50k a day your account will get suspended.

but im just guessing.....
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Old 06-01-2010, 03:34 PM   #3
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you will get "upgrade" notice, because of lack of "resources", and all that when you get serious traffic.
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"99.9999% Uptime Guarantee"

that's 30 seconds downtime per year? I wonder what happens if they break this "guarantee"?
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I asked them about using it for galleries too.

They said "no problem"
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Old 06-01-2010, 03:43 PM   #6
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I remember being on webgems for about two days once, way back in the days..

I know Naked Host is a good solid host, though, just thought that sounded too gg to be true even for them
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Old 06-01-2010, 04:05 PM   #7
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I didn't use this specific host BUT I did use another "everything unlimited" host. You need to learn to ask the right questions... I asked... "can i upload a couple hundred high quality photo galleries?" They said "no problem". I said "can I upload 100 videos that are about 15 minutes long?" They said "no problem". I said "can I upload 2 terabytes of full HD videos to stream on my site with x amount (modest amount) of traffic" they said "oh you need an upgrade for that" lol

You need to ask specific questions about whats ok and whats not ok. Ask them how much traffic, how much space you can use, how much video content etc etc..... get specifics and I suggest have them e-mail it to you.

Just friendly advice.
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I was going to ask specific questions via e-mail after reading the TOS so I could be sure and nail them down on everything but then they could still shut me off Imn sure its at their discretion for any reason in the tos anyway
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"Unlimited" never accounts for utilizing services/space so much it affects other clients on that machine. If you abuse the shit out of the machine, you'll get kicked.

If you go into it knowing/feeling you're gonna get away with something for nearly nothing - you're wrong.
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I signed up and i have pushing them in my sig its a great deal i have 2 i got one for 20 bux a year in the big sale, and the other i pay regular price for, it is truley unlimited u can upload 1 gig movies etc, you just cant use to many cpu resources so huge files and a huge site you need dedicated.
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Ask their support.
Wow something that makes sense for once!
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I used a Naked Hosting shared plan for galleries (before I got a dedicated server) and I didn't have any problems. Of course, it's going to depend on how many galleries per day, how much traffic each gallery will get, amount of content, etc. I was doing around 1-2 photo galleries a day from there. But it was able to handle listings at Hun and Worldsex without any problems.

I would recommend you add "Certified Protection" to your shared hosting plan. It's an additional $4.95 per month. If you're abusing the server, they will move you to a dedicated server. So you won't get suspended or have to worry about major downtime. You'll have two weeks to either get your shit under control or upgrade to a bigger plan. And if you upgrade your plan, everything you've spent on Certified Protection will be credited toward your new plan.

Here's more info (Certified Hosting and Naked Hosting are the same company):

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If you go into it knowing/feeling you're gonna get away with something for nearly nothing - you're wrong.
Exactly.

Most people who have been in this game know where that line in the sand is. If you go into a new hosting relationship planning to test the limits, do not get offended when you are flagged. Most people know that 1TB of content on a virtual host will never fly. Nor that having 1000 twenty minutes of video is going to be allowed either.

You know, or should know, where you should be for your hosting requirements and not try and abuse the system just because of some 'unlimited guarantee'. Anyway, back on point, read their T.O.S.. When your behavior and usage effects others on the box, then you will need to change your plan.
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i use them for my web sites and they are great i dont know about hosted galleries as i dont have my member site up yet but i am hoping there are no issues ....
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Exactly.

Most people who have been in this game know where that line in the sand is. If you go into a new hosting relationship planning to test the limits, do not get offended when you are flagged. Most people know that 1TB of content on a virtual host will never fly. Nor that having 1000 twenty minutes of video is going to be allowed either.

You know, or should know, where you should be for your hosting requirements and not try and abuse the system just because of some 'unlimited guarantee'. Anyway, back on point, read their T.O.S.. When your behavior and usage effects others on the box, then you will need to change your plan.
I don't think people that pay $11.00 a year will have 1TB of content.
ofcourse its all beginner plan. Sites will grow and so will upsale to bigget server.

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You can even run a paysite on it, but like a micro niche site you can have a bunch of video but if you traffic is massive you would have to move up. They base all on cpu usage.
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"Unlimited" never accounts for utilizing services/space so much it affects other clients on that machine. If you abuse the shit out of the machine, you'll get kicked.

If you go into it knowing/feeling you're gonna get away with something for nearly nothing - you're wrong.
"Get away with something"..
I'm asking if THESE DAYS unlimited really means infinite transfer..
I don't know, I hear that bandwidth is cheaper and cheaper every day, so, it's a legitimate question..

Get away with something, man. .. ??
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Basically you're all saying it doesn't say unlimited cpu usage
Makes perfect sense

Like I said I know they;re a good solid host.. I didn't say anything bad about them, I was asking a simple question
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Basically you're all saying it doesn't say unlimited cpu usage
Makes perfect sense

Like I said I know they;re a good solid host.. I didn't say anything bad about them, I was asking a simple question
yes that is it the cup useage i asked kacy all of this before i joined didnt really need my expenisve server anymore with what they offer but didnt wanty to get stuck
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Exactly.

Most people who have been in this game know where that line in the sand is. If you go into a new hosting relationship planning to test the limits, do not get offended when you are flagged. Most people know that 1TB of content on a virtual host will never fly. Nor that having 1000 twenty minutes of video is going to be allowed either.

You know, or should know, where you should be for your hosting requirements and not try and abuse the system just because of some 'unlimited guarantee'. Anyway, back on point, read their T.O.S.. When your behavior and usage effects others on the box, then you will need to change your plan.
Well, see, the thing with calling it "unlimited" is just that. People expect unlimited. If someone was to truly be a douche about it, they could easily manipulate Naked Hosting on their "no limits".

Because it is in their Unlimited TOS, does not mean they're allowed to advertise the service as "no limits" because there obviously are limits.

Their lawyers dropped the ball on this one.
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They have a page that provides info on their "unlimited policy"

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UNLIMITED storage and UNLIMITED transfer means you can use unlimited amounts of disk space and bandwidth for your active website. This means you can rest assured your website will not be shut down for exceeding any bandwidth or storage limitations.

Let us be front up with you though....We are not going to make you sift through our terms to figure out where the catch is. We have it right here in plain view so there is no misunderstandings. Great communication is key in a relationship. So, here is the deal.....if your site isn't well optimized and is causing issues for others on your shared server (either because it's abusing the CPU, hoarding up RAM, or doing loads of disk I/O), you could be in danger of account suspension.

.........

What else is not allowed on "UNLIMITED"?
Again, to be up front.... You can not use the account for the sole purpose of storing files. You must have an active website. Here are some other specific things not allowed:

* Copyrighted material that you do not have a license to distribute.
* File Sharing | File Upload | File Archive | Backup | Site Mirroring | Content Distribution Sites
http://nakedhosting.com/unlimited/
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It's all good if you're not going to use a lot of bandwidth, but if you honestly think it's true unlimited you're fooling yourself. In no way am I knocking down their service, but unlimited does not exist.
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Well, see, the thing with calling it "unlimited" is just that. People expect unlimited. If someone was to truly be a douche about it, they could easily manipulate Naked Hosting on their "no limits".

Because it is in their Unlimited TOS, does not mean they're allowed to advertise the service as "no limits" because there obviously are limits.

Their lawyers dropped the ball on this one.

They didn't advertise unlimited server resources.. legally, they're in good shape
And they're not advertising it in a misleading way
From what I just read it sounds like they're more honest than 100% of other hosts out there
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can I host tubes on it?

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The cpu usage is usually hidden in the small print somewhere and usually the killer on anything unlimited.
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Thank you This how we feel about it. We are up front about it, unlike other unlimited hosts. We also have cpu and ram monitors in place that are custom to us so that clients have fair warning if their usage is getting high. We also send out warning emails.

If you do add on the protection, you can never be suspended and everything you paid for the protection goes towards a dedicated server if you need to upgrade. The dedicated are so inexpensive as well. Only $88 right now!

Thanks everyone for the support!

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They didn't advertise unlimited server resources.. legally, they're in good shape
And they're not advertising it in a misleading way
From what I just read it sounds like they're more honest than 100% of other hosts out there
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I know, it is laughable. However, we do host many many tube sites on the shared hosting plans. Our shared hosting plans are of few that offer ffmpeg support

http://nakedhosting.com/ffmpeg

We have 1 click install to some popular tube scripts as well

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If you do add on the protection, you can never be suspended and everything you paid for the protection goes towards a dedicated server if you need to upgrade.

Just try it, you have nothing to lose. Anytime money back whenever you decided to cancel
Dunno about nakedhosting, but at certifiedhosting (probably the same company as they also have the $11 promo) you can add protection too, however, also this does not protect you the way as it could suggest to some noobs...

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If your account is found to be using more than acceptable server resources, you will be notified and your account will be moved to a "holding server". This is a fully functional cpanel server with no more than four active accounts. You will be able to remain on the holding server for 15 days. During this time you will be working with our support team to determine the reason your website has high usage and together make necessary changes to your website so that it is able to go back to a shared shared hosting environment.
Note: There will be a short amount of downtime during the move from virtual server to holding server.
So basically, if the problem is that you have just gotten too many visitors for this plan and thus use too many resources, you will still need to upgrade, and pay up. Your "insurance" money will be deducted but you still will need to pay extra, I don't really call that protection @4.95 / mnth

I always advice to go dedicated if you have an existing website with high traffic and go shared ONLY if your site has been recent or is to be set up
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Can I put backups of 100gb on it? I guess I will be servaged in a day.
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stay away with NH!
Godaddy and hostgator are nice choice.
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sorry dude but
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Yes, same company

It works exactly as stated. You have to realize that at some point, with proper marketing, a website will out grow shared hosting and have to upgrade to a dedicated server. It most industries, this would be considered a good thing.

So yes, if your website cannot remain in a shared environment because its causing issues for other accounts, its time to upgrade. Moving to another shared hosting account some where else will not solve the issue in the long run. We are not forcing anyone to upgrade.
We are simply providing the options available to remain hosted with our company.

I agree with you. As I have stated many times, if you have a mission critical or income producing website, DO NOT get shared hosting. Please, get a dedicated server



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Dunno about nakedhosting, but at certifiedhosting (probably the same company as they also have the $11 promo) you can add protection too, however, also this does not protect you the way as it could suggest to some noobs...



So basically, if the problem is that you have just gotten too many visitors for this plan and thus use too many resources, you will still need to upgrade, and pay up. Your "insurance" money will be deducted but you still will need to pay extra, I don't really call that protection @4.95 / mnth

I always advice to go dedicated if you have an existing website with high traffic and go shared ONLY if your site has been recent or is to be set up
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Shared hosting plans cannot be used for back ups. All files stored must used for active websites.

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Obviously, "unlimited" disk space does not mean you can use 10TB and
"unlimited" bandwidth does not mean you can use 10TB / month and it
never will mean you can use a whole lot. Someone asked if unlimited means
unlimited "these days". No, it never will. So what does "unlimited" mean?
It simply means "we're not going to tell you what the limits are".

To keep the lawyers happy, they sometimes measure the limits in a weird way,
like measuring I/0 in place of bandwidth, which is another way to avoid being
clear about what the limits are. One popular "unlimited" host who advertises on
TV limits the number of visitors who can be on your site at a time. Sure, you can
use unlimited bandwidth, but when they only allow three simultaneous visitors
you're never going to use much bandwidth.

Naked may be a fine company, and I'm not picking on them, but since that
was the company the OP asked about, we'll use them as an example. They
say they'll cut you off if you're using too much CPU. They won't tell you how
much CPU you're allowed. Unlimited means "we're not going to tell you what
the limits are". They'll cut you off if you have some traffic and therefore access
the disk "too much". How much is "too much? "Unlimited" means they won't
tell you how much is too much. Further, if you have several visitors on at once,
that'll use more RAM, and they'll cut you off for that. How many visitors are you
allowed to have, using how much RAM? "Unlimited" means they aren't going to
tell you until it's too late.

If you replace the word "unlimited" with what it really means, it's obvious how
silly this all is:
Traffic allowed: we're not telling. You'll see when we cut you off.
Disk usage allowed: we're not telling. You'll find out when we cut you off.
Scripts allowed: we're not telling. You'll know when we shut you down for CPU usage.

As the representative from Naked acknowledged, that's no way to run a
professional site. If you're trying to run a business, you need to know what
you're buying, and know that it will fit your needs. Most sites don't need a
dedicated server, but they do need a shared account which they know will
allow them to serve whatever bandwidth they need with appropriate speed,
one they know will allow them to run the scripts they need to run, etc. If this
is a business to you, "guess how much we'll allow" is plain silly.
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Thanks for information Ray. Some nice points there, but the "unlimited" term has really been beaten to death already. At this point most people are educated to what is really included. They can make an decision if it will work for their particular needs. Based on the fast growing number of accounts we have, I know first hand it works very well for many adult webmasters.

I will only point out that hosts with set limits on space and bandwidth also do not state what the CPU and RAM limits are. No host, limits in place or not, will let a single customer to take down a shared server.
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