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Vendzilla · 06-13-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb

So you're telling me that half of Boston is not american because they like to keep their Irish heritage and shit.
Oh wait, we weren?t talking about them. It?s the Mexicans that pissed in your cheerios.

WTF are you talking about?
I was talking about the people that move to America , that don't want to be American

brassmonkey · 06-13-2010, 01:21 PM

time to eat later bitchaaaaaaasssssss

CamJack · 06-13-2010, 01:34 PM

Its kinda funny. MY son was born in Canada and I was almost denied into the country for my work permit.

dyna mo · 06-13-2010, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

You insinuated that a 300 year old US family tree was too old for a White American to
claim.

I simply stated that white people had to be here that length of time based on
the history of slavery.

I don't really understand what the problem is.

Do you have a difficult time counting numbers or did you just have a
"redneck reaction" whereby once you heard the word "slavery" you went stupid on a nigga?

again you show your lack of reading comprehension and then proceed to turn it around.

i stated there appears to be a disproportionate amount of gfyers who claim 300+ year long family trees that are strictly american. i am not expecting you to comprehend it is this time either. just restating my comment.

you also tend to jump to bullshit reactionary comments when others try to have a dialogue with you.

not everyone sees things as you do. welcome to earth.

brassmonkey · 06-13-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb

Start paying taxes first.

man why do you keep saying i dont pay taxes. keep making false statements.

TheDoc · 06-13-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb

But WE ARE jus soli country, shit stain. WE are not ITALY.
So you better start carrying and respecting it, moron.

You were referring to immigration.. our path to immigration isn't Italy's ie: Legal immigration vs. Illegal. And again, I want it changed.... like the majority of the World has it. Is English your first language? Otherwise, I hate hate stupid people on this forum that think twisting shit to a new view makes them some how right..

You're pissed because you're an anchor baby from illegal parents... I would be pissed as well if my parents had no regard for the Country you now call home which has laws you're forced to respect. Calm down, it's not your fault - nobody is directly blaming you, we just want it stopped because it creates people like you.

Linguist · 06-13-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb

Do all of us a favor and stay in Canada. We have enough morons in this country.
STAY IN MOTHERFUCKING CANADA.

I'll take my free healthcare and better economy, thanks.

Btw, if you disagree with me - do you agree that the USA should open the borders with Mexico? If not - why?

brassmonkey · 06-13-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

You were referring to immigration.. our path to immigration isn't Italy's ie: Legal immigration vs. Illegal. And again, I want it changed.... like the majority of the World has it. Is English your first language? Otherwise, I hate hate stupid people on this forum that think twisting shit to a new view makes them some how right..

You're pissed because you're an anchor baby from illegal parents... I would be pissed as well if my parents had no regard for the Country you now call home which has laws you're forced to respect. Calm down, it's not your fault - nobody is directly blaming you, we just want it stopped because it creates people like you.

brassmonkey · 06-13-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Linguist

I'll take my free healthcare and better economy, thanks.

Btw, if you disagree with me - do you agree that the USA should open the borders with Mexico? If not - why?

are you huffing paint?

canada has plenty room.

theres a big size difference population wise.

Rochard · 06-13-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

H0w much Arizonians tax money is going to be spent fighting this in court only to lose?

Not to mention that in 20 years Hispanics will be the majority in AZ and thus all these laws will be overturned anyways so really what is the point? If you're white like in AZ and hate Mexicans my advise is to just leave.

Who's to say they'll be over written then? The truth is this Hispanic group will become "Americanized" and you'll see a whole new class of Hispanics - those who were born here, those who have been "Americanized", those who are here illegally. When the first two groups of Hispanics figure out their tax dollars are going to support and pay for this third group, well, they'll be looking for ways to close the loop holes too.

GatorB · 06-13-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Who's to say they'll be over written then? The truth is this Hispanic group will become "Americanized" and you'll see a whole new class of Hispanics - those who were born here, those who have been "Americanized", those who are here illegally. When the first two groups of Hispanics figure out their tax dollars are going to support and pay for this third group, well, they'll be looking for ways to close the loop holes too.

Bullshit. Most hispanics stick together. Have you not seen all the rallies over the last few years every time illegal immigaton is brought up? Those aren't illegals protesting.

Fact is 2 thing will happen in 20 years when Hispaancis reach 50% inAZ. The law these laws will be overturn. Or the cops will be VERY VERY busy asking half the population for thier papers. Meanwhile rapists, child molesters and murderers are running around free because the cops don't have time or resources to find them.

brassmonkey · 06-13-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Bullshit. Most hispanics stick together. Have you not seen all the rallies over the last few years every time illegal immigaton is brought up? Those aren't illegals protesting.

Fact is 2 thing will happen in 20 years when Hispaancis reach 50% inAZ. The law these laws will be overturn. Or the cops will be VERY VERY busy asking half the population for thier papers. Meanwhile rapists, child molesters and murderers are running around free because the cops don't have time or resources to find them.

bullshit they need to stay in school first over 50% dont finish high school

VGeorgie · 06-13-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

My family came 11 generations ago. If they had that law in place my family would be deported.

Same here, though I forget the exact number of generations. On my father's side the ancestor that first settled here arrived in about 1750. He was indentured, like many of the time. Except for having to keep working to pay off his passage, he just got off the boat when it landed in Charleston Harbor (it was named something different at the time). There was no customs, Ellis Island, or birth certificates.

I'm NOT saying we need to keep this system. Obviously we live in different times, but the idea of closing the gates now that "real Americans" are here is the worst kind of nationalism. The Statue of Liberty still has the same words when it was erected, about accepting those from other countries looking to come to America for a better life. It's a founding principle of this nation, and a principle worth keeping.

The argument should not be about illegal immigration, but about illegal hiring of immigrants. If employers in the US were held accountable to the laws already in existence in every state, illegal immigration would be cut by 80-90%.

Remove the incentive for illegals to risk their lives to get here, you remove the trafficking in illegals, and much of the crime that goes along with it.

GatorB · 06-13-2010, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by VGeorgie

Same here, though I forget the exact number of generations. On my father's side the ancestor that first settled here arrived in about 1750. He was indentured, like many of the time. Except for having to keep working to pay off his passage, he just got off the boat when it landed in Charleston Harbor (it was named something different at the time). There was no customs, Ellis Island, or birth certificates.

I'm NOT saying we need to keep this system. Obviously we live in different times, but the idea of closing the gates now that "real Americans" are here is the worst kind of nationalism. The Statue of Liberty still has the same words when it was erected, about accepting those from other countries looking to come to America for a better life. It's a founding principle of this nation, and a principle worth keeping.

The argument should not be about illegal immigration, but about illegal hiring of immigrants. If employers in the US were held accountable to the laws already in existence in every state, illegal immigration would be cut by 80-90%.

Remove the incentive for illegals to risk their lives to get here, you remove the trafficking in illegals, and much of the crime that goes along with it.

Most of my family has been here less than 200 years. Except for the Native American part, who have been here for thousands of years. So really anyone that doesn't have Native American roots either needs to get the hell off my land or go spend some money at my casinos.

baddog · 06-13-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

If your Parents are working in another Country, legally or illegally - you are not a citizen of that Country by birth right if you're born in that Country - you're an American, because your parents are. If you parents choose to stay, legally - you can take legal immigration path and become a citizen and you're not longer an American citizen.

Their is no logical reason why illegal or working immigrants babies should ever be granted citizenship.

I think the US Constitution disagrees.

dyna mo · 06-13-2010, 05:26 PM

what # are you guys assuming is a generation? current genealogy puts it at 30 years. 11 generations = 330 years, so y'all are off by close to a century.

TheDoc · 06-13-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I think the US Constitution disagrees.

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

GatorB · 06-13-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

what # are you guys assuming is a generation? current genealogy puts it at 30 years. 11 generations = 330 years, so y'all are off by close to a century.

numbers don't matter if one actually can go back 11 generations. 30 years? More like 25. heck my son and his grandma on his mom's side is only 35 years difference. 11 generations could be as little as 200 years.

baddog · 06-13-2010, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

what # are you guys assuming is a generation? current genealogy puts it at 30 years. 11 generations = 330 years, so y'all are off by close to a century.

I always thought it was 20 years. Do they modify that stuff?

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

[*]Anyone born inside the United States *

Not sure your point. Looks like you agree with me.

sortie · 06-13-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

what # are you guys assuming is a generation? current genealogy puts it at 30 years. 11 generations = 330 years, so y'all are off by close to a century.

In the old days a generation would be less than 30 years because during
that time people fucked faster.

dyna mo · 06-13-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I always thought it was 20 years. Do they modify that stuff?

it appears so, at least according to several articles i've read on the matter.

A generation is the time from the birth of a child to the birth of that child's first child. It varies from family to family, and can range from 20 years (or less) to 40 (or more, in rare cases).

While the usual accepted length is between 20 and 25 years, this tends to be too short (which, estimating large numbers, can cause problems).

Quite notable is the fact that, in general, the female generation length is shorter than the male generation length, because males are usually older than females in couples.

Females average around 28, and males average around 32. The difference, however, is highly culture-dependent, and may have been a bit different hundreds or thousands of years ago.

Where it used to be considered reasonable to estimate about 4 generations per century for purposes of genealogy calculations, it is now considered more reasonable to estimate 3 generation per century- even for older estimations.

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-13-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Not sure your point. Looks like you agree with me.

You're going to break his heart.

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-13-2010, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

bullshit they need to stay in school first over 50% dont finish high school

neither do redneck or ghetto kids . You didn't finish it, but look at you now.

TheDoc · 06-13-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Not sure your point. Looks like you agree with me.

Agree with what? You said...

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Originally Posted by baddog

I think the US Constitution disagrees.

Disagrees with what? What I stated is true, based off the U.S. Constitution... We all know everyone born in America is a citizen, thread topic?

That's the problem at hand - it's not logical and it's being abused because it's not clear enough. It should be changed how the majority of other Countries have it, which doesn't include allowing illegals or those breaking laws to become citizens.

TheDoc · 06-13-2010, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb

You're going to break his heart.

The thread title kinda hints that any moron knows America allows criminal persons to dump its children here thus allowing those half illegal children to become citizens at birth.

dyna mo · 06-13-2010, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Agree with what? You said...

Disagrees with what? What I stated is true, based off the U.S. Constitution... We all know everyone born in America is a citizen, thread topic?

That's the problem at hand - it's not logical and it's being abused because it's not clear enough. It should be changed how the majority of other Countries have it, which doesn't include allowing illegals or those breaking laws to become citizens.

i wonder if the u.s would look to (or has ever looked to) other countries for how to alter our constitution.

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-13-2010, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

half illegal children

How are they "half-legal"? They are US citizens, moron.

TheDoc · 06-13-2010, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb

How are they "half-legal"? They are US citizens, moron.

Welp, it appears you can read English, so I must assume you're just a stupid ass that can't understand what you read... Here, let me help: (notice the bold)

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

"....those half illegal children to become citizens at birth"

Nobody is blaming anchor babies... it's the illegal parents fault they didn't leave the Country after the birth of the baby.

baddog · 06-13-2010, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Nobody is blaming anchor babies... it's the illegal parents fault they didn't leave the Country after the birth of the baby.

The baby would continue to be a citizen.

TheDoc · 06-14-2010, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

The baby would continue to be a citizen.

Yes, everyone realizes that... but not if the parents left with the baby.

brassmonkey · 06-14-2010, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb

neither do redneck or ghetto kids . You didn't finish it, but look at you now.

yeah i dropped out 5th grade to become a glass blower

escorpio · 06-14-2010, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

yeah i dropped out 5th grade to become a glass blower

You're not a glass blower, you're a glass sucker.

brassmonkey · 06-14-2010, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

You're not a glass blower, you're a glass sucker.

man i swear you act like a black man pipe snaked your wife/girlfriend.

did she leave you?

escorpio · 06-14-2010, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

man i swear you act like a black man pipe snaked your wife/girlfriend.

did she leave you?

You act like a Mexican hates your guts for knocking up his puta daughter.

brassmonkey · 06-14-2010, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

You act like a Mexican hates your guts for knocking up his puta daughter.

ill take that as a yes

mi burro grasa

escorpio · 06-14-2010, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

ill take that as a yes

Why? Because I hit you with a painful truth about your life and all you can do is babble nonsense about male genitalia, like a typical negro?

Hank_Heartland · 06-14-2010, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I think the US Constitution disagrees.

Please be advised that when the Constitution was written, it excluded several races and classes of people that were not considered "FREE MEN" including slaves, indentured servants, native americans, etc, etc... Only with amendments has it come to include more and still does not include everyone who don't meet certain qualifications

brassmonkey · 06-14-2010, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio

Why? Because I hit you with a painful truth about your life and all you can do is babble nonsense about male genitalia, like a typical negro?

maybe thats why

id like to play with you but you have nothing to say. 50+ and just racist bullshit. Do you have a proper education? im hoping you didnt have children.

Hank_Heartland · 06-14-2010, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Agree with what? You said...

Disagrees with what? What I stated is true, based off the U.S. Constitution... We all know everyone born in America is a citizen, thread topic?

That's the problem at hand - it's not logical and it's being abused because it's not clear enough. It should be changed how the majority of other Countries have it, which doesn't include allowing illegals or those breaking laws to become citizens.

Now hear this folks...every child born in the US in NOT a US citizen!!! You are dead wrong if you think so, period. Name me one foreign diplomats kid who was born here during their foreign service that's a US citizen

escorpio · 06-14-2010, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

maybe thats why

id like to play with you but you have nothing to say. 50+ and just racist bullshit. Do you have a proper education? im hoping you didnt have children.

You can't spell or construct a sentence and you want to question MY education? LOL Silly negro. You should stick to whining about "racism", like a typical negro.

I have a 21 year old son. How many government supported crackbabies has your puta shit out?

brassmonkey · 06-14-2010, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank_Heartland

Now hear this folks...every child born in the US in NOT a US citizen!!! You are dead wrong if you think so, period. Name me one foreign diplomats kid who was born here during their foreign service that's a US citizen

that is true.

TheDoc · 06-14-2010, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank_Heartland

Now hear this folks...every child born in the US in NOT a US citizen!!! You are dead wrong if you think so, period. Name me one foreign diplomats kid who was born here during their foreign service that's a US citizen

Aye, that's what I've been trying to say... to them its absolute, when it's not.

brassmonkey · 06-14-2010, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Aye, that's what I've been trying to say... to them its absolute, when it's not.

its time to do a head count.

in every state.

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-14-2010, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Welp, it appears you can read English, so I must assume you're just a stupid ass that can't understand what you read... Here, let me help: (notice the bold)

Nobody is blaming anchor babies... it's the illegal parents fault they didn't leave the Country after the birth of the baby.

God damn, you are stupid fuck.
Please explain me this

"those half illegal children"

How are they half illegal, dumb ass?

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-14-2010, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

yeah i dropped out 5th grade to become a glass blower

Shitty designer that doesn't pay income tax?

TheDoc · 06-14-2010, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb

God damn, you are stupid fuck.
Please explain me this

"those half illegal children"

How are they half illegal, dumb ass?

Is the concept really that hard to understand?

If one parent is black and the other is white, you're half black or half white... if you're parents are illegal and you being born here makes you a citizen, you're half legal or a half illegal or maybe only a 1/3 legal - ouch. Depending on how you view the cup.

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-14-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Is the concept really that hard to understand?

If one parent is black and the other is white, you're half black or half white... if you're parents are illegal and you being born here makes you a citizen, you're half legal or a half illegal or maybe only a 1/3 legal - ouch. Depending on how you view the cup.

Its not a concept, its horseshit.
If one of your parents is a convict does it make you a 1/2 convict? I would like to see you pushing that to some black kids on the streets of LA. See what they think.
If that was the case your kids would be 2/3 retarded.
There are some stupid fucks on this board, but you hold the crown.

Amputate Your Head · 06-14-2010, 10:13 AM

Sorry Doc, you are way, way out in left field on this one. (or rather, right field)

Amputate Your Head · 06-14-2010, 10:19 AM

150 Half Illegals

"Half illegal"?

If they are half illegal, and the punishment for being an illegal is deportation, how do you propose to half punish them? Make them live on the border? Alternate years of deportation? They can live here every other year and have to live in Mexico the other half?

That's a POV that went off the rails.

crazytrini85 · 06-14-2010, 10:33 AM

Good.

If you are from Russia and you are born in America, you are still a fucking Russian. People need to deal with that and stop being cry babies.

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Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	150 Half Illegals "Half illegal"? If they are half illegal, and the punishment for being an illegal is deportation, how do you propose to half punish them? Make them live on the border? Alternate years of deportation? They can live here every other year and have to live in Mexico the other half? That's a POV that went off the rails. __________________ SIG TOO BIG Last edited by Amputate Your Head; 06-14-2010 at 10:22 AM..

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,935	what # are you guys assuming is a generation? current genealogy puts it at 30 years. 11 generations = 330 years, so y'all are off by close to a century.